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deshprem
November 9, 2010, 07:06 AM
Pont to launch ‘ Butterfly’ during Cricket WC (http://www.theindependentbd.com/sports/sports-cricket/18468-pont-to-launch--butterfly-during-cricket-wc.html)

sounds exciting !!!!!!!! :D this could be awesome!!

beshideshi
November 9, 2010, 07:58 AM
Great news! These should be BCB's priority now
1. Extend pont's contract



























































everything else

firstlane
November 9, 2010, 08:32 AM
Thanks to Lance Klusner for not coming to BD.

I dont like the practice of employing a coach on short-term basis. I believe a coach needs at least 2-3 years until he can deliver some results. We shouldn't just recruit someone on trial basis. We need to make sure we choose the best available ( & affordable) person and give him ample time to work on our boys. Look at England & Australia. Duncann Fletcher coached England for 7 years, John Buccanon was coach for similar period, even a coach like Tim Nielsen got a long term contract. Yes we can bring consultants for weeks or months but not coaches.
We also need to make the best use of them. When national team is off training, these coaches can train top domestic performers who we consider to be in the national squad in future.

simon
November 9, 2010, 08:41 AM
i think we got a grt bunch of coach.:-D

projapoti projapoti kothay pele bhai emon rongin pakha....

Rabz
November 9, 2010, 09:27 AM
Sounds all exciting on paper.
Remains to be seen on the field.

I just hope amidst all these experiments, the players are not forgetting their primary duty.

By the way, why break the news of the "butterfly" so early ??
I mean if he is planning to unleash the armory during the Zim series purely as experimental basis, he could have waited few more days, just may be before the series began.

A promise of too many things, picturing a rosy future could backfire if not delivered.

If he wants a long term contract, so be it. Cuz I think his ultimate goal is to be with the English team, being their specialist bowling coach.

But if he is trying to raise his stock, I say take a punt on Mr Pont and rope him now.

magic boy
November 9, 2010, 09:28 AM
This is indeed a great news. If not 100% effective but surely gonna make an interesting impact in WC 2011.

PoorFan
November 9, 2010, 10:18 AM
I guess its called 'knuckle ball' in baseball. It will be great if our pacers can ball few of those here and there in PW plays.

lamisa
November 9, 2010, 10:24 AM
this is great!this can have a psychological impact on our opponents during the WC!butterfly hok na hok,batmen will expect unexpected flights when our pacers are on!

Haru-party
November 9, 2010, 10:41 AM
:fire::fire::fire::fire:

AsifTheManRahman
November 9, 2010, 11:01 AM
He wants to stay and there's no reason why we shouldn't keep him. He seems very confident in his abilities (rightfully so) unlike the head coach. I'll strangle myself if we have a good world cup and yet the BCB fails to retain these two beyond the period of their initial contracts.

RazabQ
November 9, 2010, 11:30 AM
I'll strangle myself ..ala Michael Hutchence (INXS) :lol:

Raynman
November 9, 2010, 11:41 AM
What bothers me about Pont is that he is using coaching techniques that make sense, trying out new things and thinking outside of the box, all with the goal to make the team better and provide results.

I would be more comfortable if he were to not do much outside of the ordinary, blame others when things went wrong but jump in for the full credit where things went right and demand an extension before the world cup. Now that would make him a coach worth supporting ;)

Murad
November 9, 2010, 11:43 AM
It was published in India(most likely). Independent copied and pasted it.

I don't know how true it is.

AsifTheManRahman
November 9, 2010, 11:51 AM
It was published in India(most likely). Independent copied and pasted it.

I don't know how true it is.
Ah and here I was, crediting the journalists of the Independent for being more linguistically equipped than those over at DS. How stupid of me to think that of a Bangladeshi daily.

Murad
November 9, 2010, 12:03 PM
Ah and here I was, crediting the journalists of the Independent for being more linguistically equipped than those over at DS. How stupid of me to think that of a Bangladeshi daily.

Well Asif bhai, I could be wrong. May be Bipin Dani works for Independent as well.

TUESDAY, 09 NOVEMBER 2010 AUTHOR / SOURCE : BIPIN DANI
PUNE (INDIA), Nov 8:

These dates made me think it was published in India first.

Habib
November 9, 2010, 12:25 PM
^But Bipin Dani surely is Indian, right?

Dilscoop
November 9, 2010, 01:08 PM
Link is freaked up. What's going on? Someone explain

Razi
November 9, 2010, 01:20 PM
Well Asif bhai, I could be wrong. May be Bipin Dani works for Independent as well.



These dates made me think it was published in India first.

This is a revamped Independent in association with BBC, CNN, VOA and Aljazeera which began its new journey few months back, so Bipin Dani could very well be working for them also, and I highly doubt a reporter working only in Indian media will write such a detailed article on Bangladesh when their is no series going on!

shakibrulz
November 9, 2010, 01:22 PM
Link is freaked up. What's going on? Someone explain
Alternate link: http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Sports/09-Nov-2010/Bdesh-to-unleash-Butterfly-in-World-Cup

@op - it would be better if Pont stuck to the basics and get their bases strong. Sounds good on paper, but I don't think it's gonna work, tbh. Probably he's just craving for some media hype.

Dilscoop
November 9, 2010, 01:29 PM
SICK! I can't wait to see it. Hope they don't bowl it during Zim series. Lets keep it as a surprise package for the WC. Sounds to me, it could be something like a mix of breaking ball + change up + slider from baseball.

CAN WE KEEP HIM LONGER!! PPLEEEAEE

roman
November 9, 2010, 01:35 PM
why are we telling the whole world about it? Why not keep it a secret thing for the WC? I really like the way both Pont and fountain are thinking...If BCB has some brains, they should keep these 2 after WC

godzilla
November 9, 2010, 01:35 PM
Baseball + Cricket = Butterfly XD

Why are we not extending his contract? 6 months (if i am not mistaken) is not enough. 2-3 years is a good time.

Dilscoop
November 9, 2010, 01:47 PM
Every time baseball came into cricket, cricket got something new. Starting with fielding coach back in the 90s. Who started this whole new thing called "fielding"? They never thought it was part of cricket, some teams still dont, (ahem Pak ahem). Aus (and SA) started this whole thing. And who was their fielding coach? An American, a Baseball fielding coach. And he is still coaching Aus. I also posted some where in BC, how both Pont and JF got a huge baseball background.

Also guess who came up with swing? Everyone will guess Pakistan or w/e, but no, that guy was an American cricketer.

Damn, why can't America play cricket? (it's too easy for them)

Dilscoop
November 9, 2010, 02:36 PM
why are we telling the whole world about it? Why not keep it a secret thing for the WC? I really like the way both Pont and fountain are thinking...If BCB has some brains, they should keep these 2 after WC

It's called "advertising". If you let it out randomly, people won't know who created 1st. Soon everyone will start doing it and everyone will forget who came up with it. Just like Pollock came up with slower-bouncer, hardly any one knows that. But if he had gone out and said it to the whole world that 'hey I am coming up with this', everyone would know it was him.

roman
November 9, 2010, 02:43 PM
It's called "advertising". If you let it out randomly, people won't know who created 1st. Soon everyone will start doing it and everyone will forget who came up with it. Just like Pollock came up with slower-bouncer, hardly any one knows that. But if he had gone out and said it to the whole world that 'hey I am coming up with this', everyone would know it was him.


I understand your point but dont you think that the opponents will be extra cautious when they face us? They could have advertised about it after a successful implementation of this new technique of fast bowling in WC, but doing so right now might not be a good idea

Dilscoop
November 9, 2010, 02:59 PM
They can be as cautious as they want to be, that doesn't mean they know what it is. It's not like they are waiting for a bouncer, or in-swinging yorker, because they already know what those are. But they don't know what's butterfly is.

Dilscoop
November 9, 2010, 03:03 PM
He was appointed as Bangladesh national cricket team's bowling coach in September 2010 until the World Cup 2011 being held in the subcontinent.(...) Whilst here he has worked with the highly-respected and gifted fielding coach Julien Fountain to create a slower ball for the 2011 World Cup, known as the Butterfly (http://www.theindependentbd.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi). The delivery has zero rotation on it and behaves like a butterfly as it appears to 'flutter' in flight and change trajectory.

- Ian Pont wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Pont

Lol, really? Some of you live really busy life.

Dilscoop
November 9, 2010, 03:05 PM
"Butterfly" Slower Ball

In 2010, whilst on assignment in Bangladesh Fountain and Ian Pont (Bangladesh Bowling Coach) used their dual sport (Cricket/Baseball) backgrounds, to design a completely new slower ball for bowlers. Having both had experience as pitchers, Fountain and Pont were well aware of the movements it is possible to get a ball to do, with the correct release method. The ball has been named the "Butterfly Ball" due to its unique movement patterns through the air.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julien_Fountain

LOL. No wonder why we can't use Wiki as our sources for school work anymore

simon
November 9, 2010, 03:22 PM
At first reading " Pont to launch ‘ Butterfly’ during Cricket WC" I thought it's like udbodhoni onushthan e jebhabe kobutor uriye deya hoy ,ebar WC e Pont projapoti uriye diye WC udbodhon onushthan shuru korbe.:lol:

auntu
November 9, 2010, 04:04 PM
[বাংলা]জুলুর সন্তানের প্রতি শুভ কামনা।
[/বাংলা]

AsifTheManRahman
November 9, 2010, 04:52 PM
All you steganographers need to start thinking cryptography. Stop assuming secrecy due to concealment of the very existence of your content - encrypt it so that although your adversary is aware of the existence of your weapon, he can't do jack about it. That's what the Butterfly is - you'll know it's out there but it's unpredictable enough that it will, if executed - or "encrypted" - well enough, make batsmen cry for their mommas; or skip on their toes like ballet dancers, whatever floats your boat.

There should be no obscurity in your security. Be a better hacker than the hackers and beat them with your cryptographic whip.

oracle
November 9, 2010, 04:56 PM
great, whatever butterfly,just hope all them coaches can cooperate or else infighting looms..

FagunerAgun
November 9, 2010, 04:59 PM
It is very exciting news on papers, hopefully, it will be on the field as well, when needed.
But I wonder why this broke into news! Should it not be confidential?

So far, these two coaches, JF and IP are doing well. BCB should extend their contract after the WC.

reyme
November 9, 2010, 05:26 PM
Innovate or die. That should be the motto for every coach, specially if you are underdog. But if your biggest secret is out there for your enemy to prepare for then why even innovate? Let the trade secret be secret. Even the mightiest attack the tiniest enemy when it is dark, when the attack is least expected and causes minimum casualty for the mighty ones. Why bleed when you can avoid your own bloodsheed?

MohammedC
November 9, 2010, 05:29 PM
Or it could be double bluff

22Yards
November 9, 2010, 07:00 PM
atleast now we have NEWS dedicated to fielding only. Theres your improvement right there.

Dilscoop
November 9, 2010, 07:18 PM
All you steganographers need to start thinking cryptography. Stop assuming secrecy due to concealment of the very existence of your content - encrypt it so that although your adversary is aware of the existence of your weapon, he can't do jack about it. That's what the Butterfly is - you'll know it's out there but it's unpredictable enough that it will, if executed - or "encrypted" - well enough, make batsmen cry for their mommas; or skip on their toes like ballet dancers, whatever floats your boat.

There should be no obscurity in your security. Be a better hacker than the hackers and beat them with your cryptographic whip.

Half of what you say don't ever make sense to me, as you speak in some kinda scientific Chinese. But if you are saying what I was saying earlier, then +5 to that.

And also, stop messing with Wikipedia

cricman
November 9, 2010, 07:34 PM
it's a Knuckleball, I actually thought about trying it in Cricket since you don't bend your elbow when your throw the ball and your not even even throwing it your pushing the ball to make sure theres no rotation. The Physics of a Cricket ball is different than a baseball and the ball should dance alot more w/ a Cricket since theres only 1 Cricket ball used and baseballs are always replaced.

You Grip the Ball w/ your Fingernails

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcScGUN_z7Ogi5dbr3JJwI1YxdV5_WhDS 1RiUS3zBFjRnMVOa-U&t=1&usg=__fYgIUi2ON7lEyMBmXGzvabJTCUY=

I'll post some videos hopefully in slow motion to show the unpredictabilty of the pitch, MLB is pretty stingy.

Dilscoop
November 9, 2010, 07:37 PM
They better cut those nails before trying it

cricman
November 9, 2010, 07:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rURWMCRuzA

Best I could find check out the Ball @ :42 Second Mark how it even fools the catcher

ashraful1
November 9, 2010, 07:59 PM
Our bowlers could be part history with this new ball, exiting stuff.
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beshideshi
November 9, 2010, 08:20 PM
I have seen a bowler bowl this "knuckle ball". He is a spinner and its his this delivery which keeps the batsmen on their toes, this ball will come at you normally and suddenly a knee high full toss will turn into a yorker. With a spinner doing so, you have time to adjust and not make a fool out of yourself, but with pacers doing this at 80-85mph......hmmm gonna be interesting!

Naimul_Hd
November 9, 2010, 08:54 PM
I have seen a bowler bowl this "knuckle ball". He is a spinner and its his this delivery which keeps the batsmen on their toes, this ball will come at you normally and suddenly a knee high full toss will turn into a yorker. With a spinner doing so, you have time to adjust and not make a fool out of yourself, but with pacers doing this at 80-85mph......hmmm gonna be interesting!


may be like this ! :smug:

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al-Sagar
November 9, 2010, 10:14 PM
I have seen a bowler bowl this "knuckle ball". He is a spinner and its his this delivery which keeps the batsmen on their toes, this ball will come at you normally and suddenly a knee high full toss will turn into a yorker. With a spinner doing so, you have time to adjust and not make a fool out of yourself, but with pacers doing this at 80-85mph......hmmm gonna be interesting!

u heard of Saihullah Jem, a former SLA of BD, whi was very succesul in domestics but never got a national call up .

he had this reputation that the ball suddenly stopped and dipped in the air. similat to a knuckle ball.

Dilscoop
November 9, 2010, 10:21 PM
@ Naimul, that's not the ball, it's the batsman :P

Naimul_Hd
November 9, 2010, 10:32 PM
@ Naimul, that's not the ball, it's the batsman :P

dnt take away the credit from Cairns dude. he certainly fooled Atherton with his lollipop bowl. ;)

cricket_king
November 9, 2010, 11:02 PM
I'd rather they learn to pitch the ball in the right area ball after ball, before learning these fancy new slower balls. Learning to master the basics should be first priority. Hopefully it is, and this is just something on the side. I remember a couple of years back when all Mashrafe could bowl were slower balls.

Ajfar
November 9, 2010, 11:18 PM
I'd rather they learn to pitch the ball in the right area ball after ball, before learning these fancy new slower balls. Learning to master the basics should be first priority. Hopefully it is, and this is just something on the side. I remember a couple of years back when all Mashrafe could bowl were slower balls.

yup exactly. As fancy as this sounds I hope they won't spend too much time on things like this. Pont is only here till world cup. and I think the best thing our bowlers can get out of given this short time is fix their line and length, maybe crank up the speed a little, and other necessary things you need to survive as a bowler.

Dilscoop
November 9, 2010, 11:21 PM
Little off topic, but why is it called the "Slower Ball", that's just stupid. Where in baseball, "change-up" makes more sense. They need a less obvious name for it

mac
November 10, 2010, 12:22 AM
I bowl a similar kind of delivery and it works fine for me (amateurish).I ll post a pic of my grip.

magic boy
November 10, 2010, 12:39 AM
ami etake ekhon thekey [বাংলা]''বাংলাফ্লাই''[/বাংলা](Banglafly) nam dilam.Ian is our coach and our players will start Banglaflying so I wanna call it this way ! :p

also

alternative : Tigerfly :p

RazabQ
November 10, 2010, 12:48 AM
Sorry Tigerfly conjures up images of the last thing mistresses of Mr. Woods would see before ... :-)

magic boy
November 10, 2010, 12:57 AM
ok only BanglaFly ! :p

Zunaid
November 10, 2010, 01:02 AM
^^ Doesn't work for me. Conjures of visions of a swarm of nasty flies hovering over your plate of chotpoti.

Rabz
November 10, 2010, 01:10 AM
BanglaFly/TigerFly wont work.
BCB or any Bangladeshi didnt invent that.
Some Englishman did. Offcourse he's gonna leave our shores at some point.
Im sure he wouldnt want to donate his innovation to Bangladesh cricket.

beshideshi
November 10, 2010, 01:12 AM
u heard of Saihullah Jem, a former SLA of BD, whi was very succesul in domestics but never got a national call up .

he had this reputation that the ball suddenly stopped and dipped in the air. similat to a knuckle ball.

Wasn't S. Jem reported for his faulty action? If I am not mistaken, his action was the only thing that stopped him from breaking into the national team. Anyways, I think the video posted by Naimul bhai explains the delivery I was talking about. I saw Malinga doing it a few times against Aus as well now that I remember.
Alike all other variations, overuse=useless.

AsifTheManRahman
November 10, 2010, 01:17 AM
Half of what you say don't ever make sense to me, as you speak in some kinda scientific Chinese. But if you are saying what I was saying earlier, then +5 to that.

And also, stop messing with Wikipedia

I never mess with the Wiki. I'm not smart enough for it.
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AsifTheManRahman
November 10, 2010, 01:21 AM
I think Saifullah Jem did play for the national team, but probably not in any official OD's.
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Rabz
November 10, 2010, 01:47 AM
Saifullah Jem was a chucker, or so I heard.
Back in those days, a lot of our domestic bowlers were chuckers.

AsifTheManRahman
November 10, 2010, 01:51 AM
Yes, he was a chucker indeed. But so were Rafique, Durjoy and Razzak at various points in their careers.
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Zeeshan
November 10, 2010, 02:13 AM
Nothing's wrong with diffusion or the cultural borrowing of baseball tricks to cricket starting with teaching these masum polapains on how to get to first base....

Dilscoop
November 10, 2010, 02:18 AM
I never mess with the Wiki. I'm not smart enough for it.
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Ah, I just read my post, and I see where I confused you. That wasn't meant for you. I meant to say, "and also, guys stop messing with the wiki!"

Tiger Manc
November 10, 2010, 06:16 AM
At first reading " Pont to launch ‘ Butterfly’ during Cricket WC" I thought it's like udbodhoni onushthan e jebhabe kobutor uriye deya hoy ,ebar WC e Pont projapoti uriye diye WC udbodhon onushthan shuru korbe.:lol:

Lol same here. When reading this I thought pont will launch a butterfly in the air during the opening ceremony lol.:D

Tiger Manc
November 10, 2010, 06:17 AM
I think pont is trying to hint to bcb to sign him up permanently. We'll be shooting ourselves in the foot if we don't sign him and fountain up to a long term contract.

Mahmood
November 10, 2010, 08:26 AM
As long this does not cost us getting our whole pace department suspended for chucking...

I remember Murali and the dusra saga.

FagunerAgun
November 10, 2010, 08:56 AM
Does not matter which fly is it, give us a much better result in the WC. Otherwise.....

Ajfar
November 10, 2010, 11:42 AM
To people who has mentioned the Butterfly delivery and the hope we are working on other things too - please understand we have ONLY worked on line and length and yorkers since I arrived almost 8 weeks ago, with just one day or two, on variations. You need to be able to bowl a blend of deliveries and you need to be able to control the slower/change up balls, so they need to be practiced a long way out from a World Cup

From Pont's facebook.

Dilscoop your dream came true. Pont calls it changeup too.

Night_wolf
November 10, 2010, 12:07 PM
Does not matter which fly is it, give us a much better result in the WC. Otherwise.....

correct!:waiting:

Dilscoop
November 10, 2010, 02:57 PM
From Pont's facebook.

Dilscoop your dream came true. Pont calls it changeup too.

lol obviously, that makes more sense. Plus he played baseball so.. :big_hug:

And I hope that quote helped those of you who were complaining (more like 2 of you) about this. There is nothing wrong with learning to ball variation. You need that. It's like learning to play a new shot. You can't just do the basic all the time. And don't doubt him about not teaching basics, he is a professional world class coach. I think he knows more bowling than you 15-16 years old teens. /:)

Also can we leave him alone on facebook? I wanna see a screen-shot of that quote. I bet some smarty asked him, "HEY! Why are you teaching our kids new stuff, do the basics!" Only person you should bug and give advice to on facebook and stuff is JS. He could use A LOT of help. ;)

simon
November 10, 2010, 05:03 PM
http://www.impawards.com/2004/posters/butterfly_effect.jpg