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al Furqaan
November 13, 2010, 01:26 AM
I read something I had not seen before, and am wondering if anyone can verify if this is true.

The article states that Tamim is the 3rd youngest Test player ever to score 1000 career runs behind SRT (highly believable) and Ash. What I want to know is is this true?

Eshen
November 13, 2010, 01:44 AM
Here is the list of top scorers (Test) before their 21. And yeah, Tamim stands third in the list.

<table class="engineTable"><thead><tr class="headlinks"><th class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Player (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?agemax1=20;ageval1=age;class=1;filter=a dvanced;orderby=player;template=results;type=batti ng)</th> <th class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Span (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?agemax1=20;ageval1=age;class=1;filter=a dvanced;orderby=start;template=results;type=battin g)</th> <th nowrap="nowrap">Mat (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?agemax1=20;ageval1=age;class=1;filter=a dvanced;orderby=matches;template=results;type=batt ing)</th> <th nowrap="nowrap">Inns (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?agemax1=20;ageval1=age;class=1;filter=a dvanced;orderby=innings;template=results;type=batt ing)</th> <th nowrap="nowrap">NO (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?agemax1=20;ageval1=age;class=1;filter=a dvanced;orderby=notouts;template=results;type=batt ing)</th> <th nowrap="nowrap">Runs (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?agemax1=20;ageval1=age;class=1;filter=a dvanced;orderby=runs;orderbyad=reverse;template=re sults;type=batting)</th> <th class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">HS (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?agemax1=20;ageval1=age;class=1;filter=a dvanced;orderby=high_score;template=results;type=b atting)</th> <th nowrap="nowrap">Ave (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?agemax1=20;ageval1=age;class=1;filter=a dvanced;orderby=batting_average;template=results;t ype=batting)</th> <th nowrap="nowrap">100 (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?agemax1=20;ageval1=age;class=1;filter=a dvanced;orderby=hundreds;template=results;type=bat ting)</th> <th nowrap="nowrap">50 (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?agemax1=20;ageval1=age;class=1;filter=a dvanced;orderby=fifty_plus;template=results;type=b atting)</th> <th nowrap="nowrap">0 (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?agemax1=20;ageval1=age;class=1;filter=a dvanced;orderby=ducks;template=results;type=battin g)</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">SR Tendulkar (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/35320.html) (India)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1989-1994</td> <td>32</td> <td>45</td> <td>5</td> <td>2023</td> <td class="padAst">165</td> <td>50.57</td> <td>7</td> <td>10</td> <td>3</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Mohammad Ashraful (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55988.html) (Ban)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">2001-2005</td> <td>27</td> <td>53</td> <td>3</td> <td>1184</td> <td>158*</td> <td>23.68</td> <td>2</td> <td>6</td> <td>8</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html) (Ban)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">2008-2010</td> <td>16</td> <td>30</td> <td>0</td> <td>1040</td> <td class="padAst">151</td> <td>34.66</td> <td>2</td> <td>5</td> <td>3</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Javed Miandad (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/40879.html) (Pak)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1976-1978</td> <td>11</td> <td>19</td> <td>4</td> <td>971</td> <td class="padAst">206</td> <td>64.73</td> <td>2</td> <td>6</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">RG Pollock (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/46772.html) (SA)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1963-1965</td> <td>11</td> <td>19</td> <td>2</td> <td>911</td> <td class="padAst">175</td> <td>53.58</td> <td>3</td> <td>4</td> <td>1</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">N Kapil Dev (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/30028.html) (India)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1978-1979</td> <td>23</td> <td>31</td> <td>3</td> <td>893</td> <td>126*</td> <td>31.89</td> <td>1</td> <td>5</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Hanif Mohammad (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/40373.html) (Pak)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1952-1955</td> <td>17</td> <td>29</td> <td>1</td> <td>892</td> <td class="padAst">142</td> <td>31.85</td> <td>2</td> <td>4</td> <td>1</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Mushtaq Mohammad (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/41318.html) (Pak)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1959-1962</td> <td>14</td> <td>25</td> <td>2</td> <td>868</td> <td class="padAst">101</td> <td>37.73</td> <td>2</td> <td>5</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Umar Akmal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/317273.html) (Pak)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">2009-2010</td> <td>13</td> <td>24</td> <td>2</td> <td>818</td> <td class="padAst">129</td> <td>37.18</td> <td>1</td> <td>5</td> <td>1</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Saleem Malik (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/42623.html) (Pak)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1982-1984</td> <td>16</td> <td>22</td> <td>2</td> <td>775</td> <td class="padAst">116</td> <td>38.75</td> <td>3</td> <td>4</td> <td>1</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">GA Headley (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/52050.html) (WI)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1930-1930</td> <td>4</td> <td>8</td> <td>0</td> <td>703</td> <td class="padAst">223</td> <td>87.87</td> <td>4</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Mushfiqur Rahim (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56029.html) (Ban)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">2005-2009</td> <td>16</td> <td>31</td> <td>2</td> <td>679</td> <td class="padAst">80</td> <td>23.41</td> <td>0</td> <td>4</td> <td>3</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">PA Patel (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/32242.html) (India)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">2002-2004</td> <td>19</td> <td>28</td> <td>7</td> <td>669</td> <td class="padAst">69</td> <td>31.85</td> <td>0</td> <td>4</td> <td>4</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">RJ Shastri (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/33975.html) (India)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1981-1983</td> <td>19</td> <td>27</td> <td>5</td> <td>669</td> <td class="padAst">128</td> <td>30.40</td> <td>2</td> <td>2</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">T Taibu (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55805.html) (Zim)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">2001-2004</td> <td>15</td> <td>28</td> <td>1</td> <td>639</td> <td class="padAst">83</td> <td>23.66</td> <td>0</td> <td>4</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Hannan Sarkar (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55915.html) (Ban)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">2002-2003</td> <td>12</td> <td>24</td> <td>0</td> <td>603</td> <td class="padAst">76</td> <td>25.12</td> <td>0</td> <td>5</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">DL Vettori (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/38710.html) (NZ)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1997-1999</td> <td>28</td> <td>42</td> <td>7</td> <td>603</td> <td class="padAst">90</td> <td>17.22</td> <td>0</td> <td>4</td> <td>8</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Shahid Afridi (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/42639.html) (Pak)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1998-2000</td> <td>11</td> <td>20</td> <td>1</td> <td>594</td> <td class="padAst">141</td> <td>31.26</td> <td>1</td> <td>3</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">GS Sobers (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/52946.html) (WI)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1954-1957</td> <td>13</td> <td>23</td> <td>3</td> <td>591</td> <td class="padAst">66</td> <td>29.55</td> <td>0</td> <td>3</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">RR Sarwan (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/52969.html) (WI)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">2000-2001</td> <td>12</td> <td>24</td> <td>4</td> <td>566</td> <td class="padAst">91</td> <td>28.30</td> <td>0</td> <td>4</td> <td>4</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Alok Kapali (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56251.html) (Ban)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">2002-2004</td> <td>16</td> <td>32</td> <td>1</td> <td>559</td> <td class="padAst">85</td> <td>18.03</td> <td>0</td> <td>2</td> <td>6</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Rajin Saleh (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56074.html) (Ban)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">2003-2004</td> <td>11</td> <td>21</td> <td>0</td> <td>550</td> <td class="padAst">60</td> <td>26.19</td> <td>0</td> <td>2</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">ML Apte (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/26269.html) (India)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1952-1953</td> <td>7</td> <td>13</td> <td>2</td> <td>542</td> <td>163*</td> <td>49.27</td> <td>1</td> <td>3</td> <td>1</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">MN Samuels (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/52983.html) (WI)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">2000-2001</td> <td>12</td> <td>22</td> <td>1</td> <td>535</td> <td>60*</td> <td>25.47</td> <td>0</td> <td>4</td> <td>3</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">PA de Silva (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/48462.html) (SL)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1984-1986</td> <td>10</td> <td>19</td> <td>2</td> <td>532</td> <td class="padAst">122</td> <td>31.29</td> <td>2</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">A Ranatunga (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/50244.html) (SL)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1982-1984</td> <td>9</td> <td>18</td> <td>0</td> <td>521</td> <td class="padAst">90</td> <td>28.94</td> <td>0</td> <td>5</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Nafees Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56064.html) (Ban)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">2004-2006</td> <td>11</td> <td>22</td> <td>0</td> <td>518</td> <td class="padAst">121</td> <td>23.54</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">V Pollard (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/38129.html) (NZ)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1965-1966</td> <td>13</td> <td>24</td> <td>3</td> <td>515</td> <td>81*</td> <td>24.52</td> <td>0</td> <td>4</td> <td>1</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Saeed Ahmed (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/42603.html) (Pak)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">1958-1958</td> <td>5</td> <td>9</td> <td>0</td> <td>508</td> <td class="padAst">150</td> <td>56.44</td> <td>1</td> <td>4</td> <td>0</td> </tr></tbody></table>
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?agemax1=20;ageval1=age;class=1;filter=a dvanced;orderby=runs;template=results;type=batting

Night_wolf
November 13, 2010, 01:46 AM
i dont know if this will help but cticinfo shows SRT ash and tamim are the only 3 players to score 1000 before they reach 21...so tamim can be the 3rd youngest...i know SRT is the youngest..but not sure about ash and tamim's actual age when they reach 1000
source cricinfo (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?agemax1=20;ageval1=age;class=1;filter=a dvanced;orderby=runs;qualmin1=1000;qualval1=runs;t emplate=results;type=batting)

Night_wolf
November 13, 2010, 01:49 AM
Ehsen vai that stat is not before 20..20 is included in that stat..SRT is the only player to score 1000 runs in his teenage
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?agemax1=19;ageval1=age;class=1;filter=a dvanced;orderby=runs;qualmin1=1000;qualval1=runs;t emplate=results;type=batting

Eshen
November 13, 2010, 01:55 AM
^^Thanks for the correction. So yeah, Tamim is the only third player to score 1000 runs before 21.

Rabz
November 13, 2010, 01:58 AM
So many Bangladeshi players on the list. (post #2)..
Our boys really start early in life. :D

Night_wolf
November 13, 2010, 02:04 AM
^and get lost in history early to!
example:rajin saleh,hannan sarkar,kapali,naffes iqbal

Rabz
November 13, 2010, 02:10 AM
^^ Age gele baghe khae...
ar amader sonar chelera to bagh e..
era nijeder ke nijerai khae.. :D

magic boy
November 13, 2010, 02:12 AM
^^^hahha:D

crikfreak
November 13, 2010, 04:26 AM
^^^ funny.... :P

firstlane
November 13, 2010, 05:22 AM
^^ Age gele baghe khae...
ar amader sonar chelera to bagh e..
era nijeder ke nijerai khae.. :D

hilarious:-D

Boomerang
November 13, 2010, 06:22 AM
^^ Age gele baghe khae...
ar amader sonar chelera to bagh e..
era nijeder ke nijerai khae.. :D

chomotkar!!!
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Eshen
November 13, 2010, 06:47 AM
Most of the Bangladeshi players in the above list, may be except Ash, are most likely couple of years older than their stated age. IMO, more than their young age, their inability to evolve in the international stage is the prime factor why they failed after their early successes. They enjoyed their initial success as they were unknown to opposition bowlers. Some of them even shocked the other teams (triple A are prime examples here) with their audacious stroke-plays. But once the opposition bowlers figured them out, they found it hard to get going. I call it Hannan/SN syndrome.

Tamim is an exception here as he has managed to keep evolving his stroke-play in last four years.

lamisa
November 13, 2010, 07:49 AM
^^^they don't lie about their age anymore,they need medical proof of their age...

Rabz
November 13, 2010, 07:53 AM
Areh bhai, boyosh er kotha bole ar keno eder ke lojja dichchen.
Amra shobai to she kotha bhalo moto jani e.
Era keu keu shudhu dui na, tin ba char bochor o komiyeche.
koushik er boyosh un trish- trish, motin er o ek obostha.

al Furqaan
November 13, 2010, 01:38 PM
Most of the Bangladeshi players in the above list, may be except Ash, are most likely couple of years older than their stated age. IMO, more than their young age, their inability to evolve in the international stage is the prime factor why they failed after their early successes. They enjoyed their initial success as they were unknown to opposition bowlers. Some of them even shocked the other teams (triple A are prime examples here) with their audacious stroke-plays. But once the opposition bowlers figured them out, they found it hard to get going. I call it Hannan/SN syndrome.

Tamim is an exception here as he has managed to keep evolving his stroke-play in last four years.

Tamim is a class of his own...the opposition knows he's going to hit, but he still can't be stopped. he rarely edges the ball...has he ever been caught behind or in the slips? he plays and misses far more often than he edges it, which means that he just needs to work on his shot selection and not his technique. his lack of footwork hasn't gotten him into trouble yet, as he relies on power, so even if he's not fully behind a shot in a compact manner (a la Rahim, for example) the ball will still rocket away.

but i agree, tamim looks 2-3 years older than his stated age. but thats not veyr accurate, and he did play on a U-19 team after they medically tested them for age.

Ash is certainly his stated age.

rashed411
November 13, 2010, 01:47 PM
Tamim is a class of his own...the opposition knows he's going to hit, but he still can't be stopped. he rarely edges the ball...has he ever been caught behind or in the slips? he plays and misses far more often than he edges it, which means that he just needs to work on his shot selection and not his technique. his lack of footwork hasn't gotten him into trouble yet, as he relies on power, so even if he's not fully behind a shot in a compact manner (a la Rahim, for example) the ball will still rocket away.

but i agree, tamim looks 2-3 years older than his stated age. but thats not veyr accurate, and he did play on a U-19 team after they medically tested them for age.

Ash is certainly his stated age.

Obviously Tamim was caught behind many times...

nycpro96
November 13, 2010, 08:18 PM
Obviously Tamim was caught behind many times...

I think 70% of the time Tamim used to get dismissed caught behind but this year, I don't remember too many times where he got caught behind. His shot selection has improved a lot and so has his strokeplay. Great prospect, Tamim's future. Can't wait. :flag:

jisaan
November 14, 2010, 06:20 AM
Most of the Bangladeshi players in the above list, may be except Ash, are most likely couple of years older than their stated age. IMO, more than their young age, their inability to evolve in the international stage is the prime factor why they failed after their early successes. They enjoyed their initial success as they were unknown to opposition bowlers. Some of them even shocked the other teams (triple A are prime examples here) with their audacious stroke-plays. But once the opposition bowlers figured them out, they found it hard to get going. I call it Hannan/SN syndrome.

Tamim is an exception here as he has managed to keep evolving his stroke-play in last four years.

Very good observation

shuziburo
November 15, 2010, 12:29 PM
Most of the Bangladeshi players in the above list, may be except Ash, are most likely couple of years older than their stated age. IMO, more than their young age, their inability to evolve in the international stage is the prime factor why they failed after their early successes. They enjoyed their initial success as they were unknown to opposition bowlers. Some of them even shocked the other teams (triple A are prime examples here) with their audacious stroke-plays. But once the opposition bowlers figured them out, they found it hard to get going. I call it Hannan/SN syndrome.

Tamim is an exception here as he has managed to keep evolving his stroke-play in last four years.

Good batsmen adjust after the bowlers have adjusted to them. Great batsmen make the same adjustments before the bowlers made theirs. The bowlers are always catching up against great batsmen.

22Yards
November 15, 2010, 12:57 PM
Tamim is a class of his own...the opposition knows he's going to hit, but he still can't be stopped. he rarely edges the ball...has he ever been caught behind or in the slips? he plays and misses far more often than he edges it, which means that he just needs to work on his shot selection and not his technique. his lack of footwork hasn't gotten him into trouble yet, as he relies on power, so even if he's not fully behind a shot in a compact manner (a la Rahim, for example) the ball will still rocket away.

but i agree, tamim looks 2-3 years older than his stated age. but thats not veyr accurate, and he did play on a U-19 team after they medically tested them for age.

Ash is certainly his stated age.

I would agree, I dont remember tamim getting out caught behind numerous times. I only remember the one he edged Vs england off Tim Bresnan and boy o boy that was a genuine unplayable delivery all credit to the bowler. And couple of years back he used to get out a la aftab way pretty much. What I have noticed is that this year tamim has been getting out to really good deliveries which shows hew much he has grown