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maksud
November 16, 2010, 09:08 PM
Advantages:

1) your No. 8 batsman can make consecutive tons
2) you can practice on the roads or highways
3) you dont need specialist bowlers
4) you dont not need to worry about win or loss

Disadvantages:

1) Critics will start saying that T20 is the only solution
2) Bowlers will lose job
3) No.1 team cannot show his muscles against lowest rank team

You can try to add with these.

yaseer
November 16, 2010, 10:13 PM
^^ Yes it may happen but you cannot take these to be granted. A good bowler with a good spell can run through a side in a flat pitch. This is not an exceptional scenario, it happened many times before.

Most of the pitches in sub-continent are flat, but still we get results in most test matches now.

shakibrulz
November 16, 2010, 11:39 PM
Is this a rant about the draw in the recent India vs NZ series? :-p

beshideshi
November 17, 2010, 01:24 AM
i think making dead pitches are the way to go for BD right now, maybe a dead pitch that turns big on 5th day to give Shakib a chance. But most likely an absolute dead pitch, because at first we have to learn to avoid defeats before thinking about winning. Last season we came really close to drawing 2-3 test matches playing on pitches that don't offer the bowler anything.

Also, I really dislike when people say Sub Continent pitches are too slow and degrading the game. Now imagine the other way around, if Indian team went to South Africa and say got all out for 150 and then said "the pitches are too fast and are degrading the game", how would that sound? I think every team should use their home advantage to the max, SL always made turning wickets to assist Murali.

shakibrulz
November 17, 2010, 01:55 AM
Mohali test vs Australia was one of the best test matches in the recent past, and that did take place in the subcontinent. Pitches in India and bangladesh are pretty much result oriented ones. Srilanka is either low scoring or dead tracks. Pakistan is (was :-p) the paradise for FTB's.

BD need to prepare raging turners, you can't expect to draw a match even on a flat pitch, because the team lacks good test batsmen with temperament. So prepare a bowling pitch and let Iceman do the rest. Then BD might start winning matches against Pak, NZ, or even Aus.

Baundule
November 17, 2010, 03:47 AM
BD need to prepare raging turners, you can't expect to draw a match even on a flat pitch, because the team lacks good test batsmen with temperament. So prepare a bowling pitch and let Iceman do the rest. Then BD might start winning matches against Pak, NZ, or even Aus.
I like the idea of making spin-friendly pitches. But for completeness, we must add teams like WI and India as well.

Night_wolf
November 17, 2010, 04:18 AM
Mohali test vs Australia was one of the best test matches in the recent past, and that did take place in the subcontinent. Pitches in India and bangladesh are pretty much result oriented ones. Srilanka is either low scoring or dead tracks. Pakistan is (was :-p) the paradise for FTB's.

BD need to prepare raging turners, you can't expect to draw a match even on a flat pitch, because the team lacks good test batsmen with temperament. So prepare a bowling pitch and let Iceman do the rest. Then BD might start winning matches against Pak, NZ, or even Aus.

This is a stat from cricinfo..this can happen if BD make too much spin friendly pitch
http://i56.tinypic.com/mb3mg8.jpg

shakibrulz
November 17, 2010, 10:01 AM
This is a stat from cricinfo..this can happen if BD make too much spin friendly pitch
http://i56.tinypic.com/mb3mg8.jpg

BD pitches are slow but hardly raging turners. Average outside subcontinent suggest that BD spinners can be good in pitches with sharp turn. Also the lack of good spinners was an issue but now you have Iceman :-p

Murad
November 17, 2010, 10:35 AM
Indian spiners suck outside subcontinent. Average 45 with strike rate of 84.

shakibrulz
November 17, 2010, 11:16 AM
Indian spiners suck outside subcontinent. Average 45 with strike rate of 84.
Agreed, Kumble was decent though.

Night_wolf
November 17, 2010, 11:28 AM
Indian spiners suck outside subcontinent. Average 45 with strike rate of 84.

bro that wasnt stat of indian spinners outside india...that was a stat about spinners performance in each country..home stats means..what home spinners performed and away stats means what away spinners performed...that stat of Average 45 with strike rate of 84 was of spinners of other teams in india..

AsifTheManRahman
November 17, 2010, 11:43 AM
BD pitches are slow but hardly raging turners. Average outside subcontinent suggest that BD spinners can be good in pitches with sharp turn. Also the lack of good spinners was an issue but now you have Iceman :-p
The lack of good spinners wasn't an issue when Mo Rafique was around either. Then again, it was a one-man show, like it is now. Massive turners (I mean surfaces, not bowlers) at home could also backfire on us thanks to the pretty little furry things we call batsmen.

Historically, Bangladeshi spinners haven't been huge turners of the ball and have relied more on tying batsmen up and invoking the restless within them to make mistakes. This is why we get bullied around more often than not in Test cricket (well, one day cricket too). Our bowlers generally - generally - don't attack, but rather defend. What a bunch of sissies.

shakibrulz
November 18, 2010, 01:45 AM
The lack of good spinners wasn't an issue when Mo Rafique was around either. Then again, it was a one-man show, like it is now. Massive turners (I mean surfaces, not bowlers) at home could also backfire on us thanks to the pretty little furry things we call batsmen.

Historically, Bangladeshi spinners haven't been huge turners of the ball and have relied more on tying batsmen up and invoking the restless within them to make mistakes. This is why we get bullied around more often than not in Test cricket (well, one day cricket too). Our bowlers generally - generally - don't attack, but rather defend. What a bunch of sissies.

Rafique was probably BD's first test class spinner, but that doesn't mean he was threatening enough though. Shakib can get great dip from turning surface IMO. Though I agree with you, probably it may backfire, but worth a shot as batsmen aren't doing any great in flat pitches either, tbh. :-p

Yes, BD spinners had been more of containing types, but Shakib has potential to penetrate the best of the batting lineups.

beshideshi
November 18, 2010, 08:42 AM
Unless we have another test match spinner coming up, preparing a spinning pitch will only backfire. Pakistan, NZ, Ind, Eng, Zim, SL, SA all have decent spin attacks, and if their bowlers bowl on a 4th/5th day pitch, it might be really difficult for our batsmen.
Shakib, I believe has potentials to be a much, much better bowler if given proper support. Thanks to the rest of our bowlers, Shakib often can't attack properly in test matches. If he receives proper support, even in the form of containment from Shuvo/Razzak he will be able to attack more. What Shakib can do with a good support cast was illustrated in Worcestershire.

Tiger444
November 18, 2010, 11:52 AM
Unless we have another test match spinner coming up, preparing a spinning pitch will only backfire. Pakistan, NZ, Ind, Eng, Zim, SL, SA all have decent spin attacks, and if their bowlers bowl on a 4th/5th day pitch, it might be really difficult for our batsmen.
Shakib, I believe has potentials to be a much, much better bowler if given proper support. Thanks to the rest of our bowlers, Shakib often can't attack properly in test matches. If he receives proper support, even in the form of containment from Shuvo/Razzak he will be able to attack more. What Shakib can do with a good support cast was illustrated in Worcestershire.

Not only another good spinner but we need a much better pace bowling unit. Since our pacers leak so many runs in the beginning of the innings, Shakib has to come in and play the containing role more then go for the attack. Shahadat, Rubel, Shafiul hopefully become more consistent and don't leak too many runs and then we will see Shakib attacking more. Also please take Razzak out. An average of a 67 in tests is laughable and he's another reason why Shakib can't attack as much. As soon as Shakib builds the pressure, Raj comes in and bowls to the legside giving easy runs. We should try out Shuvo in the place of him since he has a good FC record and now had a great tour against NZ.

roman
November 18, 2010, 02:56 PM
^ Shuvo's batting is better than Razzaq, but shuvo needs to hone his bowling skill a bit to be in the test team.

shuziburo
November 18, 2010, 04:21 PM
^ Shuvo's batting is better than Razzaq, but shuvo needs to hone his bowling skill a bit to be in the test team.

At this time, Shakib is our only spinner who attacks the stamps, plus changes speed, direction, length, and bounce. You need to do at least #1, 4, and 5 to be a successful test spinner. Will Shuvo learn to do it? I sure hope so.

Bond
November 18, 2010, 04:29 PM
The lack of good spinners wasn't an issue when Mo Rafique was around either. Then again, it was a one-man show, like it is now. Massive turners (I mean surfaces, not bowlers) at home could also backfire on us thanks to the pretty little furry things we call batsmen.

Historically, Bangladeshi spinners haven't been huge turners of the ball and have relied more on tying batsmen up and invoking the restless within them to make mistakes. This is why we get bullied around more often than not in Test cricket (well, one day cricket too). Our bowlers generally - generally - don't attack, but rather defend. What a bunch of sissies.

hahahahaha Legend of this forum

maksud
November 18, 2010, 06:53 PM
Following link gives you the reaction of Harbhajan about Flat pitch (or Flat bed).
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-new-zealand-2010/content/story/487804.html

shakibrulz
November 18, 2010, 10:34 PM
Unless we have another test match spinner coming up, preparing a spinning pitch will only backfire. Pakistan, NZ, Ind, Eng, Zim, SL, SA all have decent spin attacks, and if their bowlers bowl on a 4th/5th day pitch, it might be really difficult for our batsmen.
Shakib, I believe has potentials to be a much, much better bowler if given proper support. Thanks to the rest of our bowlers, Shakib often can't attack properly in test matches. If he receives proper support, even in the form of containment from Shuvo/Razzak he will be able to attack more. What Shakib can do with a good support cast was illustrated in Worcestershire.
Pakistan, Zimbabwe, and probably SA too have below par spinners.

Razzak should be dropped from the test squad, replacing him with a test quality spinner will do the team a heck lot of good.