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pagol-chagol
November 26, 2010, 11:07 AM
http://www.espncricinfo.com/other/content/story/489166.html

How does a 20/20 captain think a match was lost with 5 wickets left & RRR so low?

Frankly, I thought this was a thrilling game, but the both team's batsmen were swinging their bats like they were playing baseball. I have never seen such atrocious batting even in local club matches. Bangladeshi batsmen seemed to have forgotten all batting techniques, and tried to copy the free swing and miss batting of the Afghans.

Sabbir has tremendous determination in his eyes. There is no stopping this kid. He is the next piece of the puzzle.

Spitfire_x86
November 26, 2010, 11:10 AM
He was being realistic? (from Bangladeshi perspective)

roman
November 26, 2010, 11:15 AM
^ or negative attitude??

pagol-chagol
November 26, 2010, 11:18 AM
He was being realistic? (from Bangladeshi perspective)

The scoreboard never tilted to the point where it was unrealistic to win. Any sportsman is a loser if he thinks we would lose until it is impossible to win.

Night_wolf
November 26, 2010, 11:20 AM
Thats ash for u!

Murad
November 26, 2010, 11:20 AM
Most of the people in BC lost hope after the 14th/15th over. Shabbir didn't do well in the last two game. Naeem is slow. Nasir the next batsmen who didn't get to bat in the first two games.

He didn't lost hope. He was tensed like everyone else. And he was being honest about it.

Murad
November 26, 2010, 11:22 AM
"I was feeling a bit low but then Shabbir came and did the job for us,"

When did he say he lost hope?

al Furqaan
November 26, 2010, 11:45 AM
most of BC members thought lose was certain...given our history of losing against associates.

but yeah the RRR never exceeded 9, which can be overcome in ODI cricket, so it was a bit premature to think we would lose. but most fans thought we were gonna lose. i myself thought so once Hom and Dickens got out, but still held hope that Naeem would smash a couple sixes.

the game was always 2 sixes away...

AsifTheManRahman
November 26, 2010, 11:52 AM
most of BC members thought lose was certain...given our history of losing against associates.
It doesn't matter what BC members think. We're fans with close to zero direct impact on the game (unless players' performances are impacted by fan-pressure, in which case the said players must be *whipped*). But a captain shouldn't give up when there isn't much reason to.

I've never thought of Ashraful as a sissy, but more of a loser who doesn't function too well mentally (not mentally challenged, he understands the game well but just has no mental-physical coordination). Up to this day, I considered him a loser, but now he's put the label on himself - he is a sissy.

You can't really blame the fans for losing hope when the captain gives up.

Ajfar
November 26, 2010, 11:54 AM
Not even that Asad bhai it was only 1 six away. I didn't watch the gave so correct me if i'm wrong but we needed 19 runs from the last 2 overs right? so if they hit one six that brings it down to 13 runs from 11 delivery? If they can't score 13 from from 11 freaking deliveries against AFG, than they should just go jump off a bridge.

AsifTheManRahman
November 26, 2010, 11:57 AM
Not even that Asad bhai it was only 1 six away. I didn't watch the gave so correct me if i'm wrong but we needed 19 runs from the last 2 overs right? so if they hit one six that brings it down to 13 runs from 11 delivery? If they can't score 13 from from 11 freaking deliveries against AFG, than they should just go jump off a bridge.
Well personally I'm still embarrassed we made such a mess out of what was supposed to be an easy run-chase against an Afghan side and believe they should still jump off the first floor balcony if not a bridge, but we did win Gold in the end, so I guess that's all that matters.

Rabz
November 26, 2010, 11:58 AM
The difference is, you dont admit that in public.

Just say, meh, never for a second we thought we were losing this match.
Despite few quick loss of wickets, our batsmen always knew what to do and how to get the game out of the opposition's hand. We knew we gonna prevail since we were the more experienced side...blah blah blah...

What you thought, keep it there in your head.

shakibrulz
November 26, 2010, 12:02 PM
Tbf, he just said that he was feeling a bit low, lets not put words in his mouth.

AsifTheManRahman
November 26, 2010, 12:03 PM
Tbf, he just said that he was feeling a bit low, lets not put words in his mouth.
Well, the man in your avatar never feels low.

Ajfar
November 26, 2010, 12:07 PM
I think everyone gets scared/low/afraid whatever you want to call, and that's perfectly fine. But what separates you from everyone else is you don't let others figure out what's going on inside you. Even if he really was low deep down inside, he shouldn't blur it out like that. He should just be like I had faith in them, and there was still 2 overs left to go plenty of times to make things happen.

shakibrulz
November 26, 2010, 12:08 PM
Well, the man in your avatar never feels low.
Truer words were never spoken, imo :-D

Murad
November 26, 2010, 12:12 PM
I think everyone gets scared/low/afraid whatever you want to call, and that's perfectly fine. But what separates you from everyone else is you don't let others figure out what's going on inside you. Even if he really was low deep down inside, he shouldn't blur it out like that. He should just be like I had faith in them, and there was still 2 overs left to go plenty of times to make things happen.

BHai, you know how his English is. Abuilla kotha ektu kom bollei shob thik hoye jeto. jeta parish ota bolte jash ken...

AsifTheManRahman
November 26, 2010, 12:14 PM
Abuilla kotha ektu kom bollei shob thik hoye jeto
Exactly Murad bhai, exactly.

Shaan
November 26, 2010, 12:22 PM
BHai, you know how his English is. Abuilla kotha ektu kom bollei shob thik hoye jeto. jeta parish ota bolte jash ken...
hahahaa... I think sometime Ash even doesnt know what he is talking about.. He just speaks whatever come out from mouth..
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Tiger444
November 26, 2010, 12:28 PM
It doesn't matter if he said in public or not. The fact is that he was actually thinking that we were gonna lose. Really ash? Afghanistan could be dangerous but you should never think the game is lost when you got 19 runs from 12 balls. So people are saying that he should not have said that. It really doesn't matter. He actually thought we were gonna lose.
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Murad
November 26, 2010, 12:38 PM
Ok Bangla version of the sentence:

"Ekta shomoi kisu ta chintai pore giyechilam"

Chintai pora ta ki game er baire? Ektu tensed to jei keu hoite pare.

http://bangladesherkhela.com/index.php?newsID=19781&pageTitle=details&editionID=1187

roman
November 26, 2010, 12:41 PM
Murad Vai Ash should invite you to his house for some "Ilish Maas Vaja". He should be proud to have a dedicated fan like you

Rabz
November 26, 2010, 12:47 PM
Chintae je keu porte pare.
Chinta kora mane ei noy je harar bhoye boshe achi.
Plus Captain hishebe to ektu chinta kortei hobe .

Its just lost in translation :P

Murad
November 26, 2010, 01:10 PM
Murad Vai Ash should invite you to his house for some "Ilish Maas Vaja". He should be proud to have a dedicated fan like you

Lolz. Dorkar nai bhai.

al Furqaan
November 26, 2010, 02:59 PM
Well personally I'm still embarrassed we made such a mess out of what was supposed to be an easy run-chase against an Afghan side and believe they should still jump off the first floor balcony if not a bridge, but we did win Gold in the end, so I guess that's all that matters.

its T20...if netherlands can beat England (who won the world cup just 13 months later, mind you) than why can't Afghanistan (the equal top associate side along with Ireland) beat or run Bangladesh A close? and for the record we won by a fair margin of 5 wickets, although we could have won with 10-12 balls more to spare.

agree on Ash making a sissy comment...however, if you say BC fans have no impact on the game, Ash also had no impact on the game at the precise time he lost hope as he was already back in the hut. captain has much to do while fielding if he isn't bowling or keeping, but in batting, unless he's actually on strike he has zero impact on the game.

unless he told Hom, Roman, and Dickens "game's over just bat out the overs" as they crossed paths at FOW, then his idea is a just a personal "we're in some s**t now"...which may not have been true, but it wasn't false either.

you can't be successful if you can't even assess the situation, whether good or bad.

BASSMAN
November 26, 2010, 03:47 PM
Well Ashraful is still naive and not cocky. But thats what you dont expect from a winning captain.

auntu
November 26, 2010, 04:16 PM
What a stupid match report!

Bangladesh were the underdogs but they clubbed 17 runs of the 19th over from offspinner Karim Sadiq, who had excellent figures of 2-0-10-2 before that, to transform the game.


Ashraful admitted he had given up hope towards the end. "I was feeling a bit low but then Shabbir came and did the job for us," he said. "There was a bit of pressure because Afghanistan are a very good side and this was our first major final."

Bond
November 26, 2010, 05:51 PM
Ashraful was just expressing how he felt, he gave up on his mind but his heart said "yes we can." He gave motivation to Shabbir and thus the end result we won. He gave his 120% when he came down to bat, the ball that got him out turned, bounced, flipped, yorked at the same time thus making it difficult to cut that ball, even Sachin would have been bowled by that. Anyhow hope Ash gains his confidence back and plays legendary innings in our world cup matches.

Nadim
November 26, 2010, 05:55 PM
bounced,flipped,yorked,turned

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bdtiger
November 26, 2010, 05:58 PM
I've never thought of Ashraful as a sissy, but more of a loser who doesn't function too well mentally (not mentally challenged, he understands the game well but just has no mental-physical coordination). Up to this day, I considered him a loser, but now he's put the label on himself - he is a sissy.

You can't really blame the fans for losing hope when the captain gives up.

Agree 100%

al Furqaan
November 26, 2010, 07:17 PM
actually re-reading it...the part about "giving up" was the cricinfo or author's inclusion in the article. Ashraful never said he gave up...only that he felt low until shabbir hit some shots.

AsifTheManRahman
November 26, 2010, 07:56 PM
its T20...if netherlands can beat England
It doesn't matter what kind of cricket it is and it doesn't matter who did what - we should PWN Afghanistan regardless. In fact, we should always look to PWN anyone at any time.


agree on Ash making a sissy comment...however, if you say BC fans have no impact on the game, Ash also had no impact on the game at the precise time he lost hope as he was already back in the hut. captain has much to do while fielding if he isn't bowling or keeping, but in batting, unless he's actually on strike he has zero impact on the game.

unless he told Hom, Roman, and Dickens "game's over just bat out the overs" as they crossed paths at FOW, then his idea is a just a personal "we're in some s**t now"...which may not have been true, but it wasn't false either.

you can't be successful if you can't even assess the situation, whether good or bad.
It's not about assessing the situation and it's not about whether he had any impact on the game at that point of time. He said he was feeling low, but a good captain shouldn't feel low when you need 19 off 2. You'll never hear Shakib or Tamim say anything of the sort and they are the only winners in the country.

It isn't about the impact Ashraful's mindset had on the game at that particular instant - if it did we wouldn't win gold - all I'm saying is that a winner, especially a captain, doesn't feel low in difficult times, and Ashraful's attitude here didn't match that of a winner.

AsifTheManRahman
November 26, 2010, 07:58 PM
Every little comment - as long as it relates to the game - will be scrutinized from here on until they bring us the world cup, because nothing else matters. Winning is everything - the only ones who remember you when you lose are your wife and the dog. Actually, in some households you'd be lucky if the wife loved you for being a loser.

Zeeshan
November 26, 2010, 08:55 PM
What are you on Asif bhai? Lately you have been giving some extraordinarily high positive vibes. Now I'd like to have some of what you are having. :-D

auntu
November 27, 2010, 06:33 AM
What are you on Asif bhai? Lately you have been giving some extraordinarily high positive vibes. Now I'd like to have some of what you are having. :-D
I'm loving it. :D
http://www.danzfamily.com/archives/blogphotos/07/759-al-gore-fire.jpg

BANFAN
November 27, 2010, 07:05 AM
Well Ash never said he gave up ... why are we throwing everything at him? The thread heading was wrong. In any close match you have high and low points ... he was just being honest about his feelings in one such low points.

Nadim
November 27, 2010, 07:10 AM
Most of the fans on the MT gave up as usual. But no one is talking about them? WHY?

Tasin
November 27, 2010, 07:21 AM
উদ্ধৃতি...

মোহাম্মদ আশরাফুল, এশিয়ান গেমস ক্রিকেটের সোনা জয়ের পর
বাপ রে, কঠিন একটা ম্যাচ জিতলাম। ভাবছিলাম তো হেরেই গেছি
.....Prothom Alo

If these are the exact words used, indeed Ashraful, as a captain, is a sissy. Don't you think so ?

Night_wolf
November 27, 2010, 07:56 AM
^i dont find anything sissy in this

AsifTheManRahman
November 27, 2010, 12:08 PM
Most of the fans on the MT gave up as usual. But no one is talking about them? WHY?

Because it doesn't matter what the fans think. And also, can you really blame the fans when the captain starts feeling low because we have to score 19 in the last two overs of a match?
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FagunerAgun
November 27, 2010, 12:13 PM
Seems to me his losing mentality has not gone away yet if this report is true.

One World
November 27, 2010, 12:49 PM
Well Ashraful is still naive and not cocky. But thats what you dont expect from a winning captain.

I like this comment. He is always in the instant past specially while batting. More worried about what he just did with the last ball played rather focusing on the one coming up.

Eshen
November 27, 2010, 01:00 PM
He is always in the instant past specially while batting. More worried about what he just did with the last ball played rather focusing on the one coming up.
Or too happy about the boundary he has just hit instead of thinking what kind of reply to expect from the bowler, which is why you so often see him getting out right after hitting a boundary.

al Furqaan
November 27, 2010, 01:19 PM
It doesn't matter what kind of cricket it is and it doesn't matter who did what - we should PWN Afghanistan regardless. In fact, we should always look to PWN anyone at any time.


disagree. this means Netherlands has an equal chance of beating England in a 5-day Test match as they do in a 2-hour T20. not gonna happen.


It's not about assessing the situation and it's not about whether he had any impact on the game at that point of time. He said he was feeling low, but a good captain shouldn't feel low when you need 19 off 2. You'll never hear Shakib or Tamim say anything of the sort and they are the only winners in the country.


Shakib and Tamim are on another dimension of existence: they are truly world class. I agree Ash and others should aspire to be that good, especially when innate ability is actually greater than theirs.

But at the same time, this is a case of walking into a Rolls Royce dealership and wondering why there are no cheap cars on display!

If Ash was Sakib or Tamim, he would not have gotten out till winning the game already.


It isn't about the impact Ashraful's mindset had on the game at that particular instant - if it did we wouldn't win gold - all I'm saying is that a winner, especially a captain, doesn't feel low in difficult times, and Ashraful's attitude here didn't match that of a winner.

here we don't know what he meant by "low". many times when our players say stuff and its gets transcribed by cricinfo, we are getting a very aproximate idea of what was said.

Did Mash really say he wants to lose 2 games to the ZIMs? Maybe, but i dont think so. His comment is still bad, but its not the blasphemy we've made it out to be. We're just an emotional bunch. I'm just as guilty as anyone else.

But did ash really say he felt "low"? I have a difficult time imagining Ash saying "uuhhhh....obveesly, i was feeling little bit low, but then shabbir won the game!"

or alternatively "amar ekto nicha nicha lagtesilo...tarpor shabbir miah match ta jitlo!"

hence, that word is an interpretation of whatever journo wrote that article.

SMHasan
November 28, 2010, 02:49 AM
If I am not wrong -Acording to PA's match report Ashraful got out trying to glide the ball to thirdman. And the ball hit his stumps!

I am wondering what brought this fool into our national team against Zimbabwe series. Ash hasn't performed superbly in the NCL. Only stats are not enough to judge a player, people thought that he made loads of runs so just get him back. But this is the way he plays- play and a miss. Over the years lot of people tried to pursue him not to play that shot, at least when runs come easily. And yet he does it so often.

I am not surprised to hear that he made this kind of comments. He is still immature, and if anyone cannot grow up at 25 then he will never grow up. Mark my word.