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Eshen
December 1, 2010, 06:47 AM
After a superb home series against India and Sri Lanka earlier this year, Riyad seemed to have gone out of gas. He has not scored a single fifty in his last 20 ODI innings (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/56025.html?class=2;spanmin1=05+Feb+2010;spanval1=s pan;template=results;type=batting;view=innings), since the NZ tour. His low position in the batting order prolly can be used to justify his lack of runs, but his low SR of 58.58 is certainly unfitting for a #7 batsman. He has not contributed much as a bowler in the period (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/56025.html?class=2;spanmin1=05+Feb+2010;spanval1=s pan;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings) either, only bowling 79.5 overs in 20 ODIs.

IMO, he is a total waste at #7. Management either needs to find him a higher position in the batting order, or just discard him for the time being. There are much more deserving prospects (ie Sabbir and Nasir) are out there for the #7 slot.

Night_wolf
December 1, 2010, 06:53 AM
the way the guy got out!!...oh i only some how resisted my self from breaking the TV

Nadim
December 1, 2010, 06:54 AM
drop him from odi team.

If u move him up the order he will be the same due his inability to rotate the strike;will become Rok 2.


Its time to bring Nasir or shabbir for no 7 who ujses their brian as well as have the ability to hit.
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Rifat
December 1, 2010, 07:04 AM
I am one of his biggest fans, but hey, for the current improvement of the performance of the national team and for himself, i say he takes a break and comes back as a better batsmen, a better player.

PoorFan
December 1, 2010, 07:15 AM
Drop him for rest of the series and from WC too[he become crap now anyway], let him know the pain being ignored.

shakibrulz
December 1, 2010, 07:20 AM
I don't just get this guy. When he needs to play well in batting powerplay, he plays to save follow on, and when he's just required to stay there, he plays a wild slog and gets out.

Naimul_Hd
December 1, 2010, 07:25 AM
I don't just get this guy. When he needs to play well in batting powerplay, he plays to save follow on, and when he's just required to stay there, he plays a wild slog and gets out.

haha...isnt it the case with whole Bangladesh team ! lol

PoorFan
December 1, 2010, 07:26 AM
Imagine any one in same position from IND or SL team would easily worked till end to save his team. What a selfish or egoistic or greedy or foolish or wrong headed player he is/was today. Cant just figure out what made him to play that shot at that moment, run rate and everything was all in our favor, unbelieveable. I wouldnt mind if he was out for good ball or fielding or reason. Cant help but slap him on the face.

Eshen
December 1, 2010, 07:30 AM
I am one of his biggest fans, but hey, for the current improvement of the performance of the national team and for himself, i say he takes a break and comes back as a better batsmen, a better player.
Same here, I still like the guy, he is still technically one of the better batsmen that we have. He should be still a must in the Test team (whenever we play in that format next), but just don't see him fit for the ODI team atm.

Tiger444
December 1, 2010, 08:44 AM
Absolutely. The guy since tri series has hurt his team with his sluggish batting during the end of our innings. Riyad should just stick to tests because I believe he's our perfect #7 for tests. He's shown the ability to score big in tests but his style is just not fitting for ODIs. I don't think moving him up will be the answer either. He's not like Naeem where he bats in the top order in domestics and in the national team he's a lower order batsman. Riyad has always been a middle/lower order batsman. So either he bats at #7 or he gets dropped and for me he's just not done the job.

Brit-boy
December 1, 2010, 08:47 AM
I don't just get this guy. When he needs to play well in batting powerplay, he plays to save follow on, and when he's just required to stay there, he plays a wild slog and gets out.

you spoke my mind there! i was gonna say that. lol. mahmudulah is an annoying [..] does that again n again!

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wktkeeper
December 1, 2010, 08:49 AM
I don't just get this guy. When he needs to play well in batting powerplay, he plays to save follow on, and when he's just required to stay there, he plays a wild slog and gets out.

hahaha it reminds me javed omar belim golla :), he used to play test in one day style and one day in test style ;)

magic boy
December 1, 2010, 08:59 AM
Mahmudullah Riyad has been on an easy ride in the team like Mohammad Ahsraful of past.He is not determined to reach any goal.He is not in the race of saving the spot in the team, so rest him for some matches and let him understand there is no place for slowcoach!

mafizraju
December 1, 2010, 09:07 AM
i am not sure why everyone is jumping on Riyad in a a day when Ash started it all. it should be ash should the person to be on the top of the list....!!

Tiger444
December 1, 2010, 09:19 AM
i am not sure why everyone is jumping on Riyad in a a day when Ash started it all. it should be ash should the person to be on the top of the list....!!

The other threads people are blaming Ash. Just because Ash played a crucial part to the loss doesn't mean we should cut slack for Riyad who hasn't done well this year at all. It's true though Ash played a bigger part to our loss today then Riyad.

_Rafi_
December 1, 2010, 09:27 AM
Atleast he bowled well today. He needs to move at no.4 position in place of Ashraful. May be we need someone like Sabbir in lower order.

Raynman
December 1, 2010, 09:29 AM
He's one of the guys I really want to see do well but he seems lost at the moment.

I agree with Eshen, either change his role or sit him out for the time being.

But there are other glaring issues for the team too.

Mash - Forces Shakib to bowl him 5/6 overs even if he's leaking runs. You can bring him back so the team needs to compensate as you don't get full 10 overs

Ash - What more can I say that hasn't been said already. He gets dropped, we get a historical series win and he's brought right back in again !

Junaid - Playing for Test spot. He started a good T20 player with the ability to hit but now seems desperate to prove ability to block and stay in the crease

SN - Surely the NZ series deserved to keep him in the squad and not a reserve

I said this before and I'll say it again.. I don't think it was a coincidence that the 4-0 NZ wash came without Mash and Ash in the team. There is something about their presence (post injury era for Mash) that seems to create a negative body language in the team.

Brit-boy
December 1, 2010, 09:38 AM
I think alok kapali deserves another chance in the bangladesh national team, and im very confident kapali would do better in ODI'S and in TWENTY20'S than what mahmudullah and ashraful did in todays match, and what mahmudullah done in the recent nz series!
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mac
December 1, 2010, 09:41 AM
I think alok kapali deserves another chance in the bangladesh national team, and im very confident kapali would do better in ODI'S and in TWENTY'S than what mahmudullah and ashraful did in todays match, and what mahmudullah done in the recent nz series!
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Forget him. Ash, Alok, Aftab....sudhui morichika.

Brit-boy
December 1, 2010, 09:58 AM
Forget him. Ash, Alok, Aftab....sudhui morichika.


dont understand bengali well, your gonna have to translate the bengali bit for me in english.
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lamisa
December 1, 2010, 10:04 AM
he's from a different planet altogether!

Ajfar
December 1, 2010, 10:07 AM
Riyad has DPL to get things together before the world cup. I'd drop him for now and bring in Jahirul, but off course stupid selectors didn't even keep him the squad. I predict Nirala will be back for either the 2nd or 3rd odi, not sure if its going to fix anything though.

Rabz
December 1, 2010, 10:09 AM
Riyad needs a break.
Looks like he got burned out a bit.

Brit-boy
December 1, 2010, 10:23 AM
he's from a different planet altogether!

Erm.. If ur refering that to me, then NO! im not from a different planet altogether... Im from planet EARTH. lol.. Im from uk, sylheti (bangladeshi) descent, i dont know bengali well...
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Nadim
December 1, 2010, 10:27 AM
Riyad has DPL to get things together before the world cup. I'd drop him for now and bring in Jahirul, but off course stupid selectors didn't even keep him the squad. I predict Nirala will be back for either the 2nd or 3rd odi, not sure if its going to fix anything though.

bhai NCL/DPL jai bolen.....they will fail in the nat team but will score runs in the NCL/DPL to find a way to come back in nat team and fail again..... and same story goes on....


atm 3/4 player needs to be drop for atleast 2 yrs.

Nadim
December 1, 2010, 10:29 AM
btw Eshan bhai since Shoba banned from BC, Riadly hardly had any notable performance.....

must be coincidence so we need to unban shoba in order to find our old Riyad.

wiseshah
December 1, 2010, 10:42 AM
btw Eshan bhai since Shoba banned from BC, Riadly hardly had any notable performance.....

must be coincidence so we need to unban shoba in order to find our old Riyad.

ai hai maiya manush banned. thats a new record.what she did

Night_wolf
December 1, 2010, 10:46 AM
i am not sure why everyone is jumping on Riyad in a a day when Ash started it all. it should be ash should the person to be on the top of the list....!!

Ash started it but riyad finished it...there was no need 4 him to play that shot and get out that time..if only he had been there Shakib would have brought us home..a simple thing..had to just give Shakib the strike and Riyad had to blow it

aklemalp
December 1, 2010, 10:48 AM
what happened with the guy who win the asian games final for them,shabbir rahman,isn't he any good for the replacement of riyad,he is truly not the player he was before

shakibrulz
December 1, 2010, 11:27 AM
Why can't they do him a favor by sending him up the order? Like at no.3? Mushy needs to be dropped ahead of him IMO. Pretty poor behind the stumps and batting's terribly inconsistent.

Beamer
December 1, 2010, 11:44 AM
After a superb home series against India and Sri Lanka earlier this year, Riyad seemed to have gone out of gas. He has not scored a single fifty in his last 20 ODI innings (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/56025.html?class=2;spanmin1=05+Feb+2010;spanval1=s pan;template=results;type=batting;view=innings), since the NZ tour. His low position in the batting order prolly can be used to justify his lack of runs, but his low SR of 58.58 is certainly unfitting for a #7 batsman. He has not contributed much as a bowler in the period (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/56025.html?class=2;spanmin1=05+Feb+2010;spanval1=s pan;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings) either, only bowling 79.5 overs in 20 ODIs.

IMO, he is a total waste at #7. Management either needs to find him a higher position in the batting order, or just discard him for the time being. There are much more deserving prospects (ie Sabbir and Nasir) are out there for the #7 slot.pect

Pretty much agree with everything here. He is just not a batsman suited to play at #7 or below. He is completely being wasted and its unfair to expect him to do something that he is not capable of. Sit him for ODI's or play him in top five. He is a good test prospect and this might ruin him.

Raynman
December 1, 2010, 12:35 PM
^^ I strongly advocate seperate teams AND coaches for T20 with some exceptions like Shakib.

Its time to respect all formats and build players according to their strengths to the formats.

For us its been pretty much the same XI in the same order each and every time for a while now.

roman
December 1, 2010, 01:12 PM
try him out @ number 4 or 6 before dropping him. This guy was never a hitter to begin with

simon
December 1, 2010, 01:31 PM
Mahmudullah Riyad has been on an easy ride in the team like Mohammad Ahsraful of past.He is not determined to reach any goal.He is not in the race of saving the spot in the team, so rest him for some matches and let him understand there is no place for slowcoach!

entirely agree.
I believe Ryad is a very good batsman,perhaps the best after Sakib,Tamim,Imrul.
He needs to get dropped,I'm sure he will make a strong comeback.

skhondoker
December 1, 2010, 01:37 PM
ASH....ASH....ASH....He is always the reason....He is in a crucial position...comes to the team....gets out in lousy fashion.....exposes the lower middle order too early...... always the turning point in a loss.......

reyme
December 1, 2010, 01:42 PM
try him out @ number 4 or 6 before dropping him. This guy was never a hitter to begin with

National team is a not a musical chair game where you keep putting people at different positions. Batsmen have to be specialized. If Tamim fails next 20 games, are you telling me you want try him out at 11?

reyme
December 1, 2010, 01:45 PM
^^ I strongly advocate seperate teams AND coaches for T20 with some exceptions like Shakib.

Its time to respect all formats and build players according to their strengths to the formats.

For us its been pretty much the same XI in the same order each and every time for a while now.

Ditto. I think we have reached point where we have plenty of players to build specialized teams with specialez skills.
Shakib/Tamim are some of the exeptions who can fit in all formats.

mac
December 1, 2010, 01:50 PM
dont understand bengali well, your gonna have to translate the bengali bit for me in english.
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Sorry, i meant Ash, Aftab and Alok are nothing but mirage.

BanCricFan
December 1, 2010, 02:15 PM
Riyad and Naeem has been horribly out of form almost through out the whole year. Yet, for unknown reasons, they have been stubbornly persisted with. As a result, we have two players (with limited ability) with nothing but absolute zero confidence and confused minds just playing for simply saving their buns. In the process, sacrificing team goals, aspirations and cohesion. We cannot blame the players trying to stay in the team by any means necessary. Our cricketing culture certainly hasn't evolved that far yet where out of form players will voluntarily take time off international cricket to sort their game out. This is where the BCB management/coach needs to step in. Instead, we have our cricketing body willing to ruin the career of a young cricketer over short term gains.

Today as usual Riyad didn't have the skills, talent and form to be able to rotate strikes at a crucial stage of the game. Therefore, putting extra pressure on shakib. He wasted more then 30 ball to get his runs. And then, perhaps, as an after thought, he decided to break free and accelerate his strike rate which is ultimately nothing but an effort to bolster his stats (SR) so that his place in the side is safe. Never mind what the team requirement was!

I have written this in 'Sabbir' thread: http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=34827

Neel Here
December 1, 2010, 02:18 PM
btw Eshan bhai since Shoba banned from BC, Riadly hardly had any notable performance.....

must be coincidence so we need to unban shoba in order to find our old Riyad.

etai asol point. ami kobe theke bolchi lift her ban for the sake of BD cricket. :-D

Roni_uk
December 1, 2010, 02:50 PM
he is a gonna... no good for odis, just keep him for Tests. I dont want to see him in the world cup. Plz give others who deserve a chance.

Jadukor
December 1, 2010, 10:13 PM
I thought JS was training him to capitalize on the powerplays...and he himself said that he was practicing lofted shots... so when he went out to bat i hoped he would play an attacking innings and relieve some pressure from Shakib... and then i watched him play a 38 ball 14 driving up pressure on Shakib to keep up with the run rate... not sure really what the hell happened!

Dilscoop
December 1, 2010, 10:25 PM
he is a gonna... no good for odis, just keep him for Tests. I dont want to see him in the world cup. Plz give others who deserve a chance.
Just because a player is a slow scorer aka lacks the skills to score runs, that doesn't make him a test specialist. He will suck even more in test.

I thought JS was training him to capitalize on the powerplays...and he himself said that he was practicing lofted shots... so when he went out to bat i hoped he would play an attacking innings and relieve some pressure from Shakib... and then i watched him play a 38 ball 14 driving up pressure on Shakib to keep up with the run rate... not sure really what the hell happened!

We were 7 down. It his job to give the strikes to Shakib, and hold up the other end and prevent the collapse. He wasn't there to play aggressive cricket yesterday. It was stupid of him to try that shot and give his wicket away. The game was in the bag, thanks to Shakib. All he had to do is just stay there with Shakib. That would have easily reduced a lot pressure of Shakib, knowing that we still have 3 wickets in hand and a "batsman" at the other end.

Jadukor
December 1, 2010, 10:33 PM
I would expect that kind of role for a tail ender (to hold up an end and give the strike to shakib)...but this guy is picked primarily as a batsman and is supposed to be our finisher... why should he let Shakib take all the risks without taking responsibility to do the job himself?...Shakib at one point had to hit 3 boundaries in one over... that equates to taking a lot of risks... the batsman at the other end should have had the ballz to say to himself "Shakib is the set batsman...he should play the anchor role and stay till the end while I find some boundaries"...


I am not saying the expection on him was to pull off an Abdur Razzaq and set the stadium of on fire... the fact is we lost by just 9 runs... a positive intent and couple of boundaries from him would have made the difference

Antora
December 1, 2010, 10:41 PM
We need to drop this guy! I was never a fan of him and at this rate, I never will! The way he got out! UFF!

Dilscoop
December 1, 2010, 10:47 PM
I would expect that kind of role for a tail ender (to hold up an end and give the strike to shakib)...but this guy is picked primarily as a batsman and is supposed to be our finisher... why should he let Shakib take all the risks without taking responsibility to do the job himself?...Shakib at one point had to hit 3 boundaries in one over... that equates to taking a lot of risks... the batsman at the other end should have had the ballz to say to himself "Shakib is the set batsman...he should play the anchor role and stay till the end while I find some boundaries"...

But he didn't have to play any shots. We only had 3 wickets left. Less runs but many overs. He wasn't putting any pressure on Shakib by dots. If the target was really high then that would apply. There wasn't any need of aggressive cricket last night. Even Shakib wasn't playing aggressively. He played sensible cricket, all down the ground. And tell me how Riyad got out? By trying to play an aggressive shot. Unnecessarily.

Yes his job should be to play aggressive cricket, he is suppose to be a finisher. But a finisher doesn't mean he has to go play slogs all the time, at least not yesterday. Your idea of a finisher is incorrect.

I just hate the way he got out yesterday.

roman
December 1, 2010, 10:50 PM
National team is a not a musical chair game where you keep putting people at different positions. Batsmen have to be specialized. If Tamim fails next 20 games, are you telling me you want try him out at 11?

no its definitely not a musical chair bro but you also have to consider the fact that Riyad's usual batting position is 4 or 5 in NCL DPL. Siddons made him bat at # 7 which is not his position. Thats why I was suggesting that maybe they can try him out at # 4 or #5 before throwng him out of the team. Even Gavaskar and Shahtri suggested that he should bat at # 4 or # 5 if you remember...Tamim's example is irrelevant here...

Dilscoop
December 1, 2010, 10:56 PM
^^ It's not where he bats. It's not because he bats at 7. Seems to me you all forgot about Jan-March of 2010. He batted at 8. And he successful as ever at that position. Then he was promoted up at 4 for like a game, and was dropped back down after they brought in Ashraful for no reason. And ever since then he hasn't been able to repeat what he was doing earlier this year. I think in a way it played in his mind. Rightly so. You work hard to get up there and get pushed back down, because some joker came along.

So it's definitely not because he is batting down low.

roman
December 1, 2010, 11:04 PM
^^ He batted at 8. And he successful as ever at that position. .

Exactly and thats when Gavaskar and Shastri suggested that he sould bat up the order...

Dilscoop
December 1, 2010, 11:16 PM
Exactly and thats when Gavaskar and Shastri suggested that he sould bat up the order...

Which was fine if they had promoted him and KEPT him there. This is one of the 1st thing I said after I joined BC (also that Imrul SUCKS and WHY) this guy worked his way up, he earned a promotion, he deserved a promotion. But why in the world would they take his promotion spot away from him and give it to Ashraful, because he made a 50 on practice match. What kind of message did that send to the players? It doesn't matter how hard you work, it doesn't work that way. A 50 is >> All that runs Riyad made all year long.

Also Jahurul was brought in for Drama Queen and was placed up the order, when Riyad should've been pushed up and let the new guy bat at the bottom.

godzilla
December 1, 2010, 11:34 PM
Our eyes finaly opend ... we see now that NZ was all Shakib and nothing else. This win was going to be won by shakib also but unfortunetly he got out at the wrong time. NO matter who comes in/out, BD still relies on Shakib and sometimes at tamim with the bat ... and we are dreaming of a WC trophy ... tsss maybe in 10 more years

Rifat
December 2, 2010, 12:43 AM
^^ I strongly advocate seperate teams AND coaches for T20 with some exceptions like Shakib.

Its time to respect all formats and build players according to their strengths to the formats.

For us its been pretty much the same XI in the same order each and every time for a while now.

this is a brilliant, successful, proven idea worth trying. this idea if implemented correctly can bring more success to Bangladesh Cricket Team.

:up:

Rifat
December 2, 2010, 01:24 AM
this is a brilliant, successful, proven idea worth trying. this idea if implemented correctly can bring more success to Bangladesh Cricket Team.

:up:

for example:
no particular batting order, just randomly thought out select XI:

T20:
Shabbir Rahman Rumman
Tamim Iqbal
Anamul Haque(wk)
Mohammad Ashraful(perfect format for him)
Nasir Hossain
Jahurul Islam
Shuvagoto Hom
Shakib al hasan
Shruwadi Shuvo
Rubel Hossain
{insert economical pacer} we have none currently(with current form Rasel will get destroyed and raped in this format) /Naeem Islam

12th man: Naeem Islam

Test:

Tamim Iqbal
Imrul Kayes
Shahriar Nafees
Jahurul Islam
Mohammad Mahmudullah Riyad
Shakib-al-hasan
Mushfiqur Rahim
Naeem Islam
Rubel Hossain
Shahadat Hossain
Enamul Haque jr.

12th man: Shruwadi Shuvo

ODI Team:

Tamim Iqbal
Imrul Kayes
Shahriar Nafees
Mushfiqur Rahim(wk)
Shakib-al-Hasan
Jahurul Islam Aumi
{insert finisher(pure batsmen with clean hitting and power abilities) here}
Shruwadi Shuvo
Abdur Razzak
Rubel Hossain
Shafiul Islam

12th man: Naeem Islam