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betaar
December 3, 2010, 12:38 PM
I know we are basking in the glory of leveling the series but one thing is increasingly growing to be a matter of great concern before the WC……you guessed it, FAST BOWLING.
<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/ /><o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=Tahoma>Our fast bowling against NZ was good, good enough to pick up wickets at the right time to win matches. There haven’t been too many cases where our fast bowlers, bar Mash’s early days, won matches for us and I hoped that was about to change due to the inclusion of Ian Pont. So to see the improvement in that department in NZ series was heart warming. <o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=Tahoma><o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=Tahoma>After seeing the improvement, here in BC, some of us (as usual) jumped to the conclusion and credited Ian Pont. But there were some cautiously optimists, like me, suggested to wait and see if it was really his influence or coaching that did the trick. After seeing 2 matches in this series, I must say our fast bowling is back to its usual self. One could argue that one of our better bowlers, Rubel Hussain, is sitting out to make room for Mash, so what do you expect? But what about Shafiul? </FONT></P><P> </P><P><FONT face=Tahoma>It’s true that Mash is definitely not 100%, physically and technically, but why can’t Shafiul deliver? Mash was injured from the first match against NZ and obviously was out of practice, so he can be excused for not learning anything or not delivering whatever he may have learnt from Pont. But I just fail to understand why Shafiul shows no sign of improvement. Have you also seen the way Shahadat bowled against the Afghans?<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=Tahoma><o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=Tahoma>Please be clear, by improvement I am not speaking of pace, or having new arsenal in bowling armory; I am speaking of doing the basic right on a more consistent basis. At this level after being trained by so many coaches these bowlers should be able to land the ball on the seam and on the right line and length at will, but have we seen that happening? <o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=Tahoma><o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=Tahoma>I know the pitches of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = <st1:place w:st="on">Bangladesh</st1:place> are slow which is exactly why line and length is so important. Just look at the way Mpofu bowled. He is not that tall or built and bowled way slower than Shafiul, but he was able to extract so much movement and bounce because of his seam position and landing it where it needed to be. Even his 125k speed seems unplayable at times because of the extra speed or movement the ball gathers after it lands on the seam. <o:p></o:p>
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If Ian Pont is not able to understand these simple things (which I am sure a coach of his caliber does) and more importantly inject these simple concepts in the mind of our young bowlers then why bother with him. But if it’s the bowlers who are failing to execute what they learn, then kick them out….use the ones that can. <o:p></o:p>
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I have heard and read so many things about Pont adding new tricks such as butterfly effect and all that, so far the only thing I see is the butterfly in the big belly of our fast bowler.

Habib
December 3, 2010, 12:48 PM
Mpofu is not tall? Saay what?
About Pont- let's wait till the series ends before evaluating him.

godzilla
December 3, 2010, 12:57 PM
Maybe the pacers over did it a bit during practice? It's never a good thing to over do something ... perhaps that's the reason for the burnout of the pacers

BTW btterfly effect just sounds like a fancy way of saying HIT ME FOR SIX ... it better be worth it because our pacers lost their line and length and it's showing during the matches

One World
December 3, 2010, 01:00 PM
Try Rabbi in the 5th ODI if we already made the series.

betaar
December 3, 2010, 01:02 PM
Mpofu is not tall? Saay what?
About Pont- let's wait till the series ends before evaluating him.

I never said he was, did I?

betaar
December 3, 2010, 01:05 PM
Try Rabbi in the 5th ODI if we already made the series.

Are you kididng me, even bowlers, who have been coached and trained, that are better than him are sitting out, why would you try a nub bowler right before the WC. The trained ones don't succeed....why risk with the untrained ones.

One World
December 3, 2010, 01:08 PM
Are you kididng me, even bowlers, who have been coached and trained, that are better than him are sitting out, why would you try a nub bowler right before the WC. The trained ones don't succeed....why risk with the untrained ones.

You are right, with WC in mind we should not try newbies. If the WC was not so close then it could be an option to give prospects an exposure. But again fast bowlers are generally injury prone. We cannot tell how our pacers will be health-wise as WC nears. Now Nazmul can be a very good replacement after the 3 mainstream pacers. But it is home condition and generally pacers shine in their early careers if not very special like Mcgrath, Pollok, W's, Vaas.

Raynman
December 3, 2010, 01:43 PM
question is, if it were up to Pont, would he pick Mash in the XI.

It maybe more of a selection of Mash than Pont at this moment. Rubel, Nazmul and Shafiul all showed good death over bowling skills in the NZ series.

Shafiul may have had a chance yesterday if Razzak and Shakib didn't clean up at the end.

I think Mash's presence makes it difficult for Shakib to give the ball back to Shafiul as it might be taken the wrong way.

betaar
December 3, 2010, 02:42 PM
question is, if it were up to Pont, would he pick Mash in the XI.

Nobody wants Mash in the team with his current condition. That’s why he is a not a good sample to judge Pont’s effect. But Shafiul and Shahdat are and they both sucked in the respectable matches I mentioned in my original post.

Shafiul may have had a chance yesterday if Razzak and Shakib didn't clean up at the end.

I don't think Shafiul would've gotten any more wickets even if he got the chance to bowl. Because he wasn't using his common sense. Instead of bowling in the block hole, he was either bowling short or length ball. Remember his first over of the 2nd spell, he started off with 2 balls on the toe of the batsman and then he followed that up with a short one and got hit for a 4. With his pace on a slow pitch like that he has no chance of surprising the batsman. He kept bowling the same way so Shakib had to take him off after 2 overs.
On these wickets margin or error is very little, either be very fast or be accurate. Even a bowler like Styen speaks of how important it is to bowl on the block hole in the subcontinent, especially toward the end.

I think Mash's presence makes it difficult for Shakib to give the ball back to Shafiul as it might be taken the wrong way.

I didn’t think Shakib would’ve felt obligated to give Mash a second chance after his outburst in the press conference. Now that the cat is out, I don’t think he cares about what any body feels anymore. But what a waste of a spot in the team? Mash’s only contribution in the whole match was 3 overs of agony…..this is just painful to watch. He should just make himself unavailable to save his face and not follow Ash’s footsteps.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img src=" /><o:p></o:p>

Raynman
December 3, 2010, 03:12 PM
^^ I'm not sure if you and I are actually contradicting each other in any way.

It all goes back to the think tank picking players and then figuring out what to do with them instead of picking best available players by role in the team.

The only thing is that I didn't think Shafiul's bowling was that poor. Taylor played some lovely shots and found gaps. He was varying up the speed and trying things and the slow ball did get him the edge for the first wicket.

But Mash appears lost and now probably seperated from the team with his buddy Ash sidelined.

al Furqaan
December 3, 2010, 03:36 PM
I think ur underestimating how decently Shafi bowled in the few overs he got. I didn't see his 2nd spell ask stepped out for an hour, but he did take the wicket and bowled fairly well I his first spell.

If zim wasn't so inept at playing spin, he would have gotten more overs. Mash needs to be dropped for rubel and should not have played this series. He is still recovering from his injury and is afraid to bowl all out.

Dilscoop
December 3, 2010, 03:47 PM
Play Rubel and Shafiul in the same game, watch what happens. There needs to be a good bonding between the opening bowlers from both end, which Shafi and Rafe don't have. But Rubel and Shafi does. Shafiul wasn't as good as last series mainly because he is not getting the help from the other end

FagunerAgun
December 3, 2010, 07:37 PM
Mpofu is not tall? Saay what?
About Pont- let's wait till the series ends before evaluating him.
Agree, it is too early to evaluate.

LBW103
December 4, 2010, 10:53 AM
The bowlers have been coached day in and day out on where to bowl the ball and at what times to bowl them if you listen to Pont. A coach however cannot bowl for a bowler, which is what Pont has said on his Face Book page.

Why are we judging the COACH when we should be judging the player? If the bowlers do not know where to bowl or how to bowl balls then the coach is at fault. But Pont is an expert in coaching so it is up to our bowlers to learn from him and go out and do it?

You can only judge a coach on what he coaches......

Murad
December 4, 2010, 02:04 PM
Wait till the world-cup to judge Pont. If you guys can give Siddons 2/3 years to change our batsmen then why can't this guy get 6 months?

Shafiul is not reliable anymore. He is becoming very expensive.

Nazmul should've played in the first two games with Mash. Mash is not getting any chances either. Only 3 overs in the 2nd game. This is becoming another 2009.

Shakib needs to realize this is Zimbabwe not Australia. He can give few more overs to Mash during the middle overs to see how he bowls. Seems like they are too scared against Zimbabwe. We can't bowl all spinners against India, SA, WI and England.

Umar
December 4, 2010, 03:22 PM
Wait till the world-cup to judge Pont. If you guys can give Siddons 2/3 years to change our batsmen then why can't this guy get 6 months?

Shafiul is not reliable anymore. He is becoming very expensive.

Nazmul should've played in the first two games with Mash. Mash is not getting any chances either. Only 3 overs in the 2nd game. This is becoming another 2009.

Shakib needs to realize this is Zimbabwe not Australia. He can give few more overs to Mash during the middle overs to see how he bowls. Seems like they are too scared against Zimbabwe. We can't bowl all spinners against India, SA, WI and England.

The whole point of bringing Pont in is to give a BETTER performance in WC. Whats the point if we have to wait till WC and we flop there? Keeping him or kicking him wont do jack if we get kicked out of WC from first round.

I thought Shafiul was always like this..but he can take wickets.
Rubel should be in the team with him.

Shakib did the best thing by not letting Mash bowl. Since he is low in confidence, if ZIM thrash him out of the park...he's confidence level will go zero. Besides if we LOSE against ZIM..THE WHOLE TEAM'S CONFIDENCE LEVEL WILL GO DOWN. WE SHOULD GO TO WC STRONG. MASH SHOULD VOLUNTARILY TAKE REST for the best and maybe come back later with improved performance.

Ian Pont
March 21, 2011, 07:57 AM
butterfly effect my a***

all talk and no action

Shafiul and Nazmul are the only two squad members who can bowl this ball. Nazmul never got selected and Shafiul wasn't confident enough to bowl it at the WC despite bowling it well in practice. He stuck to his regular two other slower balls we worked on.

I cannot force people to bowl the butterfly and the bowlers decide when it's right to try it if they wish.

And if your a*** reacts like a butterfly delivery as you claim I suggest you see a doctor immediately.

Tiger444
March 21, 2011, 08:00 AM
Shafiul and Nazmul are the only two squad members who can bowl this ball. Nazmul never got selected and Shafiul wasn't confident enough to bowl it at the WC despite bowling it well in practice. He stuck to his regular two other slower balls we worked on.

I cannot force people to bowl the butterfly and the bowlers decide when it's right to try it if they wish.

And if your a*** reacts like a butterfly delivery you must be in some sort of physical trouble.

:floor: that was a good 1 coach!

SS
March 21, 2011, 08:03 AM
As earlier coach mentioned, Shafiul did not deliver that...it's upto the bowler to deliver and you also have to understand his age and maturity (he is only 21). He took the responsibility of openning the bowling in absence of Mashrafee. So, please understand the situation and we look forward for improvement in the future.

shiplu
March 21, 2011, 08:03 AM
Bangladesh bowling is not the issue, the main issue is our Batting.

Padosan
March 21, 2011, 09:01 AM
I am not even sure if this is the right thread, forgive me if not.

First of all i need to clarify, i have very high regards to all of BD's national coaches and it speaks volume about Ian that he takes time off his busy schedule to answer questions and share opinions here.

On the topic, as Mr. Pont pointed out, I think the same thing applies to JS too, he can only teach the players how to play, application is the batsman's part. I wonder why JS alone gets so much of a brick here in BC :).

You can only take the horse to the water, you cannot make it drink !

As long as we keep blaming our coaches for everything, we are not going to see much of an improvement. Coaches and players should get equal Credits and Criticisms IMO.

I did not see the fans praising JS for Shafiul's batting in the Eng game. Well may be he would have been a better coach if JS was registered in BC answering our questions.

Its afterall a game and BD cricket is evolving, some years down the line, the fans will have to look back at the contribution of all these coaches and support staff. Everyone of them is contributing to the team's foundation here.

Its painful some fans choose to blame the coaches for everything.

Cheers !
Padosan

nura43
March 21, 2011, 09:44 AM
I am not even sure if this is the right thread, forgive me if not.

First of all i need to clarify, i have very high regards to all of BD's national coaches and it speaks volume about Ian that he takes time off his busy schedule to answer questions and share opinions here.

On the topic, as Mr. Pont pointed out, I think the same thing applies to JS too, he can only teach the players how to play, application is the batsman's part. I wonder why JS alone gets so much of a brick here in BC :).

You can only take the horse to the water, you cannot make it drink !

As long as we keep blaming our coaches for everything, we are not going to see much of an improvement. Coaches and players should get equal Credits and Criticisms IMO.

I did not see the fans praising JS for Shafiul's batting in the Eng game. Well may be he would have been a better coach if JS was registered in BC answering our questions.

Its afterall a game and BD cricket is evolving, some years down the line, the fans will have to look back at the contribution of all these coaches and support staff. Everyone of them is contributing to the team's foundation here.

Its painful some fans choose to blame the coaches for everything.

Cheers !
Padosan


100% agreed. A coach can teach techniques only.....unfortunately they cannot play the game for us in the field. Well your teacher teaches u everything and u also understand what he teaches but in the exam u can't write anything on the exam paper.......is it the teacher's fault?

Guys please grow up and blame the right person(s) for the failure......get over the allergies u have about Jamie Siddons.

lamisa
March 21, 2011, 09:49 AM
shafiul wasn't confident enough to bowl it even once?even against netherlands?what's the worst it could have been?it would have ben a no ball and hit for a 6?well,he did get hit for a few 6s anyways

Ian Pont
March 21, 2011, 10:01 AM
shafiul wasn't confident enough to bowl it even once?even against netherlands?what's the worst it could have been?it would have ben a no ball and hit for a 6?well,he did get hit for a few 6s anyways

Yes Lamisa... he wasn't confident in a WC match to get it wrong. It can end up as a beamer by mistake then he would be in trouble. If you are not absolutely 100% certain of yourself then don't do it. I don't see that as a problem personally, but rather quite responsible. This is the WC and not some friendly match played at the local park.

I note you tend to be quite a negative poster having seen some of your comments before. So let me say I back Shafiul 100% and predict that he will develop into one of BD best quick bowlers.

Sometimes you have to understand cricket a bit more to realise what is going on.

tiger_army
March 21, 2011, 10:22 AM
Yes Lamisa... he wasn't confident in a WC match to get it wrong. It can end up as a beamer by mistake then he would be in trouble. If you are not absolutely 100% certain of yourself then don't do it. I don't see that as a problem personally, but rather quite responsible. This is the WC and not some friendly match played at the local park.

I note you tend to be quite a negative poster having seen some of your comments before. So let me say I back Shafiul 100% and predict that he will develop into one of BD best quick bowlers.

Sometimes you have to understand cricket a bit more to realise what is going on.

What can I say, its really easy and its also hard to make bangalis happy, we are a confused nation. Before you we had Champaka as a bowling coach who virtually created Malinga. So everybody thought we will have 5 Malingas in next 2 years. Our fast bowlers started improving and we had dozens of threads in BC praising Champaka. I am pretty sure he tried to improve our bowlers like Rajiv and whenever he failed everyone started blaming Champaka. Eventually he lost his job and you came and people are thinking we will have 5 dale steyns soon. So its a same story again and again. I know you guise are trying your best. If you can create Dale steyn then you can create Shafiul or Rube. But its upto them if they want to reach that stage. I hope Shafiul or Rubel understand their value and utilize the options.

Ian Pont
March 21, 2011, 10:39 AM
What can I say, its really easy and its also hard to make bangalis happy, we are a confused nation. Before you we had Champaka as a bowling coach who virtually created Malinga. So everybody thought we will have 5 Malingas in next 2 years. Our fast bowlers started improving and we had dozens of threads in BC praising Champaka. I am pretty sure he tried to improve our bowlers like Rajiv and whenever he failed everyone started blaming Champaka. Eventually he lost his job and you came and people are thinking we will have 5 dale steyns soon. So its a same story again and again. I know you guise are trying your best. If you can create Dale steyn then you can create Shafiul or Rube. But its upto them if they want to reach that stage. I hope Shafiul or Rubel understand their value and utilize the options.

Tiger Army: I don't have any issue with fans' unrealistic expectations. They pay their money to watch and can criticise all they want. But it does get kinda tedious to read what people think/say about BD cricket without understanding cricket at all sometimes.

Champaka certainly discovered Malinga (not sure he CREATED him) and I worked with Dale Steyn (and certainly did not CREATE him either). But both Malinga and Steyn are clearly massively talented individuals with Steyn at number 1 in the world. Both bowl over 150 kph.

I can help develop any fast bowler given the time to work with them and their commitment to change. How good they can be is all about their natural ability but that's what I bring out. With a camp of 8-10 quicks from Bangladesh and the time and commitment to development them, there is no reason why we can't have 4 really good quicks for the national team. It's taken Dale 5 years of hard work to get to the top.

MarufH
March 21, 2011, 10:57 AM
Yes Lamisa... he wasn't confident in a WC match to get it wrong. It can end up as a beamer by mistake then he would be in trouble. If you are not absolutely 100% certain of yourself then don't do it. I don't see that as a problem personally, but rather quite responsible. This is the WC and not some friendly match played at the local park.

I note you tend to be quite a negative poster having seen some of your comments before. So let me say I back Shafiul 100% and predict that he will develop into one of BD best quick bowlers.

Sometimes you have to understand cricket a bit more to realise what is going on.


Lamisa got served by the coach.

betaar
March 21, 2011, 11:00 AM
Shafiul and Nazmul are the only two squad members who can bowl this ball. Nazmul never got selected and Shafiul wasn't confident enough to bowl it at the WC despite bowling it well in practice. He stuck to his regular two other slower balls we worked on.

I cannot force people to bowl the butterfly and the bowlers decide when it's right to try it if they wish.

And if your a*** reacts like a butterfly delivery as you claim I suggest you see a doctor immediately.

Ian, I would like to apologize for the BC member who made that comment. I guess some people are frustrated and are taking that out on who ever. But let me clear something out. I am not sure if you read my thread opening message (which was from Dec 2<SUP>nd</SUP>) but my real concern was the execution of basics during the match. Whether that was a failure due to the inability of a particular bowler or failure of a coach was the question that was lurking in my head around that time (Zim series). But since then my personal view about your positive effect on our fast bowlers has grown exponentially, with or without the BUTTERFLY ball.
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The biggest improvement I see is Rubel Hossain. Before you joined our team, I thought he would be just a “what if” fast bowler. He had good pace and was very nippy due to his slingy action but erratic most of the time. But since NZ series, there’s a stark improvement in his line and length and has been pretty consistent. Unlike Shafiul, he didn’t get his 15 mins of glory because of the stupendous bowling performances Shafiul displayed in 2 matches, but I am sure the improvement tracking curve for Rubel is far consistent than anyone in the team. I think Rubel is a type of bowler who will be always tough to get away from irrespective of the pitch condition if he can get his line and length right and so far he has done that since your presence.<o:p></o:p>
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But what I see is missing from either of the bowlers is the ability to cut the ball sharply in either direction. I know our pitches are not tailor made for fast bowlers but if bowlers such as Mpofu of Zim and Tsotsobe of SA and Sammy and Roach of WI were able to extract that extra bit of bounce and darted the ball around, why can’t ours? I know this may not be the right thread for that question but since we are on topic, I thought I’d ask. <o:p></o:p>

MarufH
March 21, 2011, 11:18 AM
Shafiul and Nazmul are the only two squad members who can bowl this ball. Nazmul never got selected and Shafiul wasn't confident enough to bowl it at the WC despite bowling it well in practice. He stuck to his regular two other slower balls we worked on.

I cannot force people to bowl the butterfly and the bowlers decide when it's right to try it if they wish.

And if your a*** reacts like a butterfly delivery as you claim I suggest you see a doctor immediately.

Hahahahahhaahaha.. I couldn't stop laughing. I am at the office. Thanks coach. I was having a bad day. :applause:

wasi90lkv1
March 21, 2011, 12:00 PM
coach ian pont,

what is butterfly delivery, is it an inswinger or outswinger? is it a fast version of doosra or teesra? can you describe the delivery? i am just curious.

dolcevita
March 21, 2011, 01:31 PM
Can't blame the coach bd players can't perform under pressure ( except Shakib)
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RazabQ
March 21, 2011, 02:03 PM
I cannot force people to bowl the butterfly and the bowlers decide when it's right to try it if they wish.

And if your a*** reacts like a butterfly delivery as you claim I suggest you see a doctor immediately.As myself:
pwned :notworthy:

Good one Ian :)

shuziburo
March 21, 2011, 02:13 PM
Shafiul and Nazmul are the only two squad members who can bowl this ball. Nazmul never got selected and Shafiul wasn't confident enough to bowl it at the WC despite bowling it well in practice. He stuck to his regular two other slower balls we worked on.

I cannot force people to bowl the butterfly and the bowlers decide when it's right to try it if they wish.

And if your a*** reacts like a butterfly delivery as you claim I suggest you see a doctor immediately.

Good one. :lol::floor::floor:

shuziburo
March 21, 2011, 02:15 PM
Actually, I am thinking why not try Shafiul, Rubel, and Nazmul. Shakib and Razzak will be the two specialist spinners. I am for trying Riyad at 4. We need a consolidator here, but not a slow-poke like Mushy. With Riyad here, we'll have 3 spinners as well.

shuziburo
March 21, 2011, 02:27 PM
I am happy with Ian and Julien's work. I cannot say the same with Jamie Siddons. At the risk of repeating myself, a head coach should be someone with a vision and plan. If something does not go according to the plan, then there should be a contingency plan. I never saw that from JS. He has "his" guys and when one failed another of his guys was brought in. As a result, we have Riyad, a top-order batsman playing at 6/7. Jahurul, despite a 31.20 average in ODI was not even in the team. He is not a specialist WK, but still is way better than Mushfiqur "I can only stamp" Rahim, whose ODI average is 23.00. Zunaed "I average 24 in all forms of cricket" Siddiqui has a stronghold at No 3. Every team has weaknesses and they have worked on correcting them. Except us. We recycled old wines in new bottles. That will not do. Sorry...

6alltheway
March 21, 2011, 02:33 PM
Ian,

I have one question. Is speaking to the players in English a problem for you? Most of the BD players speak very little or no English. They probably don understand much, how do you go about teaching players a sport in a foreign language?

To get a comfort zone with players and a genuine rapport with players is so important. Do you think you have or can get that with the language barrier?

Something's can get lost in translation and good communication is vitally important.

I think you have done an wonderful job with the talent on disposal.

Ian Pont
March 21, 2011, 09:10 PM
Ian, I would like to apologize for the BC member who made that comment. I guess some people are frustrated and are taking that out on who ever. But let me clear something out. I am not sure if you read my thread opening message (which was from Dec 2<SUP>nd</SUP>) but my real concern was the execution of basics during the match. Whether that was a failure due to the inability of a particular bowler or failure of a coach was the question that was lurking in my head around that time (Zim series). But since then my personal view about your positive effect on our fast bowlers has grown exponentially, with or without the BUTTERFLY ball.
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The biggest improvement I see is Rubel Hossain. Before you joined our team, I thought he would be just a “what if” fast bowler. He had good pace and was very nippy due to his slingy action but erratic most of the time. But since NZ series, there’s a stark improvement in his line and length and has been pretty consistent. Unlike Shafiul, he didn’t get his 15 mins of glory because of the stupendous bowling performances Shafiul displayed in 2 matches, but I am sure the improvement tracking curve for Rubel is far consistent than anyone in the team. I think Rubel is a type of bowler who will be always tough to get away from irrespective of the pitch condition if he can get his line and length right and so far he has done that since your presence.<o:p></o:p>
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But what I see is missing from either of the bowlers is the ability to cut the ball sharply in either direction. I know our pitches are not tailor made for fast bowlers but if bowlers such as Mpofu of Zim and Tsotsobe of SA and Sammy and Roach of WI were able to extract that extra bit of bounce and darted the ball around, why can’t ours? I know this may not be the right thread for that question but since we are on topic, I thought I’d ask. <o:p></o:p>

Not sure ROACH got ANY bounce to be honest on the Dhaka pitch...

Mpofu and Tsotsobe are of course GIANTS compared to our bowlers and you would expect them to extract more bounce from any pitch.

I am not quite sure what you expect from Shafiul if you are saying he couldn't do it against the big boys. He isn't a machine, he's human. And he's not ranked number one in the world or even in the top 50. He's a young kid learning how to bowl and the same goes for Rubel.

I am really going to defend my fast bowlers here because they get a raw deal. They have had to live with a rotation policy before my arrival where they don't get an extended run in the side. Nazmul for example, hasn't played since October 5th in an ODI (only bowled 4 overs in a WC warm up).

We are asking our quicks to perform like seasoned professionals from other teams but they are still trying to get used to playing regularly and being giving the responsibility to perform and not whipped off to be replaced by a spinner yet again.

When I arrived I was told the fast bowlers were not very good and they leaked a huge amount of runs at the start and at the end. They could not be trusted I was told.

Shafiul and Rubel have variously bowled good spells in my time here and Rubel in particular has been unlucky not to get more wickets. So i feel progress is being made. Steady progress, not a 'flash in the pan' progress that is a fluke. It's a steady climb and we are making it. That means they will often get things wrong on the BIGGEST STAGE OF ALL. If they didn't then they would be in the top 10 bowlers in the world, which they aren't at the moment.

Ian Pont
March 21, 2011, 09:15 PM
Ian,

I have one question. Is speaking to the players in English a problem for you? Most of the BD players speak very little or no English. They probably don understand much, how do you go about teaching players a sport in a foreign language?

To get a comfort zone with players and a genuine rapport with players is so important. Do you think you have or can get that with the language barrier?

Something's can get lost in translation and good communication is vitally important.

I think you have done an wonderful job with the talent on disposal.

With the bowlers, Nazmul speaks the best English, then Shafiul then Rubel. i do get the message across! 80% of all communication is NON verbal.

It was a shame Sujon chose to leave as he would have been a good help to me with that, and also I could have helped teach him to coach. But we have worked around that.

Avik
March 21, 2011, 09:41 PM
I was in the bandwagon of people who thought Rubel was just a fast bowler (bowler who just knows how to bowl fast, nothing else).

but in the last few months, I have noticed his gradual improvement, his bowling to a plan. he has been the most consistent bd bowler in this world cup. that is why I would say you have done a commendable job coach. hope you provide the riches for his rise to become one of the top bowlers of the world.

deshprem
March 21, 2011, 11:12 PM
100% agreed. A coach can teach techniques only.....unfortunately they cannot play the game for us in the field. Well your teacher teaches u everything and u also understand what he teaches but in the exam u can't write anything on the exam paper.......is it the teacher's fault?

Guys please grow up and blame the right person(s) for the failure......get over the allergies u have about Jamie Siddons.

people tend to be understanding of what Ian is saying and generally supportive. My question is if Siddons said the same things about or batsmen, would the people receive it the same as Ian saying it?

there is a lot of mindless and unimformed siddons bashing. everyone thinks they know better because they can create awesoem excel spreadsheets and give stats. you are not there in flesh and blood, stop giving coaches a hard time.

having said that, everyones entitled to their opinion....

WarWolf
March 22, 2011, 01:10 AM
people tend to be understanding of what Ian is saying and generally supportive. My question is if Siddons said the same things about or batsmen, would the people receive it the same as Ian saying it?

there is a lot of mindless and unimformed siddons bashing. everyone thinks they know better because they can create awesoem excel spreadsheets and give stats. you are not there in flesh and blood, stop giving coaches a hard time.

having said that, everyones entitled to their opinion....
People give support to Ian cause he is new. Someone new should get some time before his deeds are justified. Siddons also had that period. But after 4 years of time you cannot expect to be treated the same way.

deshprem
March 22, 2011, 01:59 AM
People give support to Ian cause he is new. Someone new should get some time before his deeds are justified. Siddons also had that period. But after 4 years of time you cannot expect to be treated the same way.

well if Ian and Julien are going to stay for the long haul- guys you know what to expect!

coaches- if you don't produce the right stats, this forum is full of geniouses that can coach better than you.

siddons has produced some of our best players- tamim and shakib. what ian says is tru- 'the desire to learn' these two have something in common- they have the desire and the commitment. with the right coaching, they have produced results.

occasionally we have seen brilliances from others too- imrul kayes, siddique, rakibul, mushy, riyad, not to mention shafiul and rubel.

all this shows is the players in our team all develope at different rates. if anything our teams has moved forward however fast or slow...due to certain players. our team has not gone backwards.

Jadukor
March 22, 2011, 02:55 AM
siddons has produced some of our best players- tamim and shakib. what ian says is tru- 'the desire to learn' these two have something in common- they have the desire and the commitment. with the right coaching, they have produced results.


What to you mean Siddons produced Tamim and Shakib?... they were a part of the 2007 worldcup squad under Whatmore. I agree that Siddons did develop Tamim a great deal... but these guys were not identified by him. If Siddons was the coach before the 2007 worldcup i doubt he would have taken any risk to even include Tamim in the squad and I say that because we didn't try any new talents over the past year

deshprem
March 22, 2011, 03:30 AM
What to you mean Siddons produced Tamim and Shakib?... they were a part of the 2007 worldcup squad under Whatmore. I agree that Siddons did develop Tamim a great deal... but these guys were not identified by him. If Siddons was the coach before the 2007 worldcup i doubt he would have taken any risk to even include Tamim in the squad and I say that because we didn't try any new talents over the past year

i meant developed them..either way, dosnt change the point.

why wud u want him to try new talent? he has less of chance of doing that when our players are dominating the domestic league. and shakib has a say in team selection as well. dont just look at siddons.

we have stick to a core group of players. the place to try new talent is in A team competitions not the odi level. . once they have conquered that, then they can come into the team. we know what happens when you bring in players prematurely into the international arena. a lot of players 18 n 19 yo needed more prior exposure before getting into the team.

and why would try out new talent a year from the world cup? is a year enough to giv them enough experience to cope mentally with the world cup? obviously not! because our current bunch still havent learnt how to.

Tiger Manc
March 22, 2011, 08:44 AM
Ian,

I'd like to apologise for my rude comment, it was out of frustration. I was disappointed to see the fast bowlers getting whacked, especially Shafiul after seeing that wonderful performance against Netherlands.

I do feel the delivery was over-hyped imo. There was a lot of talk in the media and amongst the fans and it was disappointing to see that it wasn't even delivered at all. Tamim also over-hyped scoring a century partnership against SA and the entire team couldn't even score 100.

Hope to see the 'Projapoti' against the Aussies! :)

Ian Pont
March 22, 2011, 09:24 AM
Ian,

I'd like to apologise for my rude comment, it was out of frustration. I was disappointed to see the fast bowlers getting whacked, especially Shafiul after seeing that wonderful performance against Netherlands.

I do feel the delivery was over-hyped imo. There was a lot of talk in the media and amongst the fans and it was disappointing to see that it wasn't even delivered at all. Tamim also over-hyped scoring a century partnership against SA and the entire team couldn't even score 100.

Hope to see the 'Projapoti' against the Aussies! :)

I never overhyped it though. You said media and fans did but you took it out on me and Shafiul. Apology accepted

shuziburo
March 22, 2011, 10:34 AM
I never overhyped it though. You said media and fans did but you took it out on me and Shafiul. Apology accepted

I just learned how to properly accept apology. Let the offender know how s/he wronged you and then accept apology. :)

shuziburo
March 22, 2011, 10:48 AM
well if Ian and Julien are going to stay for the long haul- guys you know what to expect!

coaches- if you don't produce the right stats, this forum is full of geniouses that can coach better than you.

siddons has produced some of our best players- tamim and shakib. what ian says is tru- 'the desire to learn' these two have something in common- they have the desire and the commitment. with the right coaching, they have produced results.

occasionally we have seen brilliances from others too- imrul kayes, siddique, rakibul, mushy, riyad, not to mention shafiul and rubel.

all this shows is the players in our team all develope at different rates. if anything our teams has moved forward however fast or slow...due to certain players. our team has not gone backwards.

Again, the bowling and fielding coaches have well-defined narrow goals. Ian and Julien accomplished those goals, at least in the short term.

A head coach's job is broader. Yes, Siddons helped TIK and SAH develop at least to an extent, although TIK's average has not risen much since WC 2007. I don't know how much he has helped IK. Perhaps he did. May be it was IK's hard work and persistence. But, please don't even bring up Zunaed "I average 24 in all forms of cricket" Siddiqui or Mushfiqur "I cannot bat, catch or stop" Rahim. JS played a top-order batsman like Riyad as a slogger. Rock at least has a decent average, despite a poor SR. He has not helped Shafiul or Rubel. Both were quite expensive before the NZ series. Much of their improvement can be attributed to Ian Pont.

A coach's job is to build a team, with no favoritism. If you check my earlier posts, I was not critical of Siddons and recommended patience. Well, four years is a long enough time to verify whether a head coach has a vision and plan or he was simply bumbling along. We have had problem with Nos. 3, 4, 6, and 7 for years and all he has done was to try top-order batsmen at 6 and 7 and recycling "his boys" at 3 and 4. That was not a good plan and unsurprisingly, it did not work. Jamie Siddons gets a D+. I would have given him an F, but he should get credit for whatever individual batting improvement we have seen in certain players.

lamisa
March 22, 2011, 11:10 AM
Yes Lamisa... he wasn't confident in a WC match to get it wrong. It can end up as a beamer by mistake then he would be in trouble. If you are not absolutely 100% certain of yourself then don't do it. I don't see that as a problem personally, but rather quite responsible. This is the WC and not some friendly match played at the local park.

I note you tend to be quite a negative poster having seen some of your comments before. So let me say I back Shafiul 100% and predict that he will develop into one of BD best quick bowlers.

Sometimes you have to understand cricket a bit more to realise what is going on.

i am as positive as one can get about bd cricket.given the mismanagement that goes on,yes i do become critical at times but that doesn't mean i am not positive about our cricket.it's because i am so optimistic that i speak negatively at times for our cricket's good.however,if u are referring to some of the posts that i have made about u,yes i have been pessimistic about u lately because of the whole WI stoning incident and your comments and actions but let's not indulge in further discussion regarding this issue because u have had ur say regarding this matter and i have read all of it.about the butterfly,i felt that u spoke of it too early and it was kind of disappointing to not see it when this was being discussed a couple of months before the WC even started

Ian Pont
March 22, 2011, 11:33 AM
i am as positive as one can get about bd cricket.given the mismanagement that goes on,yes i do become critical at times but that doesn't mean i am not positive about our cricket.it's because i am so optimistic that i speak negatively at times for our cricket's good.however,if u are referring to some of the posts that i have made about u,yes i have been pessimistic about u lately because of the whole WI stoning incident and your comments and actions but let's not indulge in further discussion regarding this issue because u have had ur say regarding this matter and i have read all of it.about the butterfly,i felt that u spoke of it too early and it was kind of disappointing to not see it when this was being discussed a couple of months before the WC even started

....That bolded italicised part above made NO sense by the way.....

I didn't write the article in the newspaper about the butterfly - I was interviewed about it. How can I speak of it too early when the journalist saw it being bowled and asked what it was? You make it sound like I started the media campaign about the butterfly stuff.

I don't write the newspapers and control the media....

I know you want to seemingly blame me that we are out of the WC without the butterfly being bowled and it's my fault the fans throw stones at the buses and cause a major security breach.

I am fast learning that some BD fans like to blame everything and everybody.

Night_wolf
March 22, 2011, 11:39 AM
I am fast learning that some BD fans like to blame everything and everybody.

hahaha...well come to our world..but if u stick with us for 2 years u'll see after every good achievements these same fans will praise u like hell!

Leafs PWN
March 22, 2011, 12:09 PM
I am fast learning that some BD fans like to blame everything and everybody.

That's not limited to just BD fans. Every sport, and every team has ppl like that in their fan base. Especially the giant fan bases.

Wanna see Mash back pretty bad. We need a veteran pacer in the lineup IMO.

betaar
March 22, 2011, 12:28 PM
Not sure ROACH got ANY bounce to be honest on the Dhaka pitch...

Mpofu and Tsotsobe are of course GIANTS compared to our bowlers and you would expect them to extract more bounce from any pitch.

I am not quite sure what you expect from Shafiul if you are saying he couldn't do it against the big boys. He isn't a machine, he's human. And he's not ranked number one in the world or even in the top 50. He's a young kid learning how to bowl and the same goes for Rubel.

I am really going to defend my fast bowlers here because they get a raw deal. They have had to live with a rotation policy before my arrival where they don't get an extended run in the side. Nazmul for example, hasn't played since October 5th in an ODI (only bowled 4 overs in a WC warm up).

We are asking our quicks to perform like seasoned professionals from other teams but they are still trying to get used to playing regularly and being giving the responsibility to perform and not whipped off to be replaced by a spinner yet again.

When I arrived I was told the fast bowlers were not very good and they leaked a huge amount of runs at the start and at the end. They could not be trusted I was told.

Shafiul and Rubel have variously bowled good spells in my time here and Rubel in particular has been unlucky not to get more wickets. So i feel progress is being made. Steady progress, not a 'flash in the pan' progress that is a fluke. It's a steady climb and we are making it. That means they will often get things wrong on the BIGGEST STAGE OF ALL. If they didn't then they would be in the top 10 bowlers in the world, which they aren't at the moment.

Coach, don't mean to badger but when I mentioned Roach I was referring to his ability to seam the ball in and out.

I know Tsotsobe is tall, 6.5' but I didn't know Mpofu was that much taller than our bowlers. When I mentioned their names I was referring to their ability of extracting extra bounce because they were able to land the ball on the stitch and got more bounce than what their respective height contributed. During the Zim series, Mpofu showed great ability nipping the ball in and out at will....it was a great bit of bowling performance to see on our flat tracks which I'd love to see our pacers doing more often.....some thing Zaheer Khan is able to do in most matches.

Anyways, I don't think you need to defend our pace bowlers as the improvement curve it self is the biggest proof. :clap: One should hope that your contract gets extended soon so you can start working with our pacers, especailly Mash. and improve them to world class quality so there's no auto pass for spinners in our team. Nothing will make me happier to see some away series where our pacers come out on top. Thanks for your time. :notworthy:

Prithviraj
March 22, 2011, 12:31 PM
....That bolded italicised part above made NO sense by the way.....

I didn't write the article in the newspaper about the butterfly - I was interviewed about it. How can I speak of it too early when the journalist saw it being bowled and asked what it was? You make it sound like I started the media campaign about the butterfly stuff.

I don't write the newspapers and control the media....

I know you want to seemingly blame me that we are out of the WC without the butterfly being bowled and it's my fault the fans throw stones at the buses and cause a major security breach.

I am fast learning that some BD fans like to blame everything and everybody.

Gosh... Ian .. I am an Indian but a big fan of BD cricket... but I am just surprised to see coaching stuff spending so much of time and effort on fan forum... it works both way I guess... one way it is refreshing to see that team official is directly communicating with the fan base but on the other hand typically it make sense not to engage verbatim debate with fans... because as a bowling coach of national team .. it just dilutes the credibility .. just my 2 cents.. I am sure you are way more experienced on a professional circle... than me.. however after following through the thread of your posts.. I think you might come out as over-selling...again not to show any disrespect but .. coming from a complete outsider point of view...

plus the butterfly delivery... if someone can't deliver it during the most important tournament.. that comes once in every 4 years.. whats the use of it? hopefully in future we will get to see some versions of it...

Rakib
March 22, 2011, 12:40 PM
I am fast learning that some BD fans like to blame everything and everybody.

This is my first post on BC, I have been an avid reader here for the last 4 years but feel the need now to defend against a few of the comments being made here against coach Pont.

Yes coach, unfortunately its in our culture to blame, pass the blame, not be objective, turn a human to demi-god and take the same person to the lowest abyss... we are an emotional bunch...

The only two bowlers that trained with Ian and got to play in matches are Rubel and Shafiul. Surely if you have followed their pre-IAN era games and compare to the recent ones there is marked improvement in line, length and consistency. Yes there have been the odd games with errors due to pressure, but what did you really expect... world beaters like Wasim or Mcgrath in such a short time.... Its not like we have had great fast bowlers in our history who are coaching and have pace academies littered around the country where the Rubels and Shafiuls could learn the basics... Coach Pont has been teaching them stuffs that budding pacers get taught at youth level in countries such as AUS, ENG, even INDIA. Please undertand that this is a process and will take time as we develop institutions where more BD coaches can impart correct knowledge in the art of pace bowling....

If you want to see consistency then surely the few months that the coach has spent is not enough to breed such, yet 11 wins in 16 games says a lot...

Cut a break please, none of us are perfect and if each of the negative commentators were to question their own professional lives its easy to see that we all strive for perfection but cant always get there..... Lets be objective and judge the coach on the results he has achieved so far (which is great in the short time he had)... please treat the coach as a normal human being rather than nitpick every single comment and every single move that doesnt conform to our opinions....

My apologies if you feel my post was harsh, I certainly dont want to offend anyone and understand that you have the best of intentions for BD cricket just like all of us...

amar11432
March 22, 2011, 01:00 PM
plus the butterfly delivery... if someone can't deliver it during the most important tournament.. that comes once in every 4 years.. whats the use of it? hopefully in future we will get to see some versions of it...

Agree, plus after Shafiul's bowling debacle against India, steps should have been taken to increase his confidence. Bowling well against minnows and then completely losing it against a top opposition is a serious flaw. This should have been taken care of earlier.

Ian Pont
March 22, 2011, 01:08 PM
Gosh... Ian .. I am an Indian but a big fan of BD cricket... but I am just surprised to see coaching stuff spending so much of time and effort on fan forum... it works both way I guess... one way it is refreshing to see that team official is directly communicating with the fan base but on the other hand typically it make sense not to engage verbatim debate with fans... because as a bowling coach of national team .. it just dilutes the credibility .. just my 2 cents.. I am sure you are way more experienced on a professional circle... than me.. however after following through the thread of your posts.. I think you might come out as over-selling...again not to show any disrespect but .. coming from a complete outsider point of view...

plus the butterfly delivery... if someone can't deliver it during the most important tournament.. that comes once in every 4 years.. whats the use of it? hopefully in future we will get to see some versions of it...

I have to strongly disagree with you about being on this forum.

I feel it ADDS credibility to engage with fans because people know I am human like them, have feelings like them, am a supporter like them and not stuck in some ivory tower thinking I am better than everyone else.

Yes I know cricket probably far better than people on here but we all have opinions (even you :wow:) and they are to be respected.

I hope I try to rationalize and explain my view point and not 'over-sell' as you call it? Fans deserve a full answer and I am not afraid of the truth if I can reveal it to them.

Many fans do not fully appreciate the nuances of the game and sometimes say things that simply are not correct. But I will always defend a fans' right to say it :)

PS> oh and yes ..what IS the point of learning a new skill in a few weeks if you cannot use it at the WC. I will instruct the bowlers to forget all about it.

Ian Pont
March 22, 2011, 01:09 PM
Agree, plus after Shafiul's bowling debacle against India, steps should have been taken to increase his confidence. Bowling well against minnows and then completely losing it against a top opposition is a serious flaw. This should have been taken care of earlier.

Ok guys... if this is a serious viewpoint then BD cricket is in for a long, hard and bumpy ride.

amar11432
March 22, 2011, 01:12 PM
^^ Sorry but who is RAKIB?

betaar
March 22, 2011, 01:19 PM
Ok guys... if this is a serious viewpoint then BD cricket is in for a long, hard and bumpy ride.

Oh Ian, you have no idea whata ride we have been riding for the last 10-12 years. but as long as you are there to guide, I am sure the ride should get smoother, at least for the bowlers.

shuziburo
March 22, 2011, 01:54 PM
I am fast learning that some BD fans like to blame everything and everybody.

You got it, Ian. It took you a while, but you finally got it. In contrast, when you succeed, they raise you heaven. So, the payoff is high as well.

shuziburo
March 22, 2011, 02:03 PM
PS> oh and yes ..what IS the point of learning a new skill in a few weeks if you cannot use it at the WC. I will instruct the bowlers to forget all about it.

:lol::lol::lol:

shuziburo
March 22, 2011, 02:09 PM
Ok guys... if this is a serious viewpoint then BD cricket is in for a long, hard and bumpy ride.

We had a lot of hope for this WC, but clearly the road is going to be long and bumpy. We'll be along for the ride no matter what.

RazabQ
March 22, 2011, 02:10 PM
Mod advisory: Please restrict your criticisms to the message and not the messenger.

Prithviraj
March 22, 2011, 02:35 PM
PS> oh and yes ..what IS the point of learning a new skill in a few weeks if you cannot use it at the WC. I will instruct the bowlers to forget all about it.

I apologize... but if we have a secret weapon that I want to exploit ... i want to do that at that world cup.... i might be a failure but I gotta keep on trying it... learning a couple of weeks before the world cup...? that why the expectation build up...? I remember after the Ind match comments were made that it will be coming up during next matches..since during IND match Sehwag went after him right from first ball...........not sure but did we try it when BD tail was up .. during Holland match..?

I remember Mendis completely destroying the Indian batting line up and winning the Asia cup final for Srilanka... you get a short window of opportunity to do that. now .. all the Indian batsmen appeared to figure out how to handle Mendis and he is sometimes kept out of India match.. ... by the time next world cup comes hopefully skill sets will be in preparation for more than couple of weeks or may be we should use butterfly only during next world cup ..

going by the instructions of Mods.. I am just disagreeing with message not the messenger... also all the BD fans ...do not think I am out there to disparage your coaching stuff.. however I do not feel equally obligated to agree with all the statements...

AsifTheManRahman
March 22, 2011, 02:40 PM
BD cricket is in for a long, hard and bumpy ride.
It's always been like that, ever since we started playing cricket. Nothing new.

You're the coach - make it smooth.

Prithviraj
March 22, 2011, 02:58 PM
That's not limited to just BD fans. Every sport, and every team has ppl like that in their fan base. Especially the giant fan bases.

Wanna see Mash back pretty bad. We need a veteran pacer in the lineup IMO.

I agree... subcontinent fan makes you hero and literally worship you if you win them a single series...... (build temples, name their child with player's name and shower you with wealth ...and what not.. ) .. the same fan base will throw shoes, burn effigies...and make you blame for their fights with their wives...if you loose a single match.....
thats how sub-continent work... so people who are ready to bask in the glory of success should be ready to take the criticism no matter how much illogical it seems.. with equal panache...

Shoinik
March 22, 2011, 05:54 PM
I apologize... but if we have a secret weapon that I want to exploit ... i want to do that at that world cup.... i might be a failure but I gotta keep on trying it... learning a couple of weeks before the world cup...? that why the expectation build up...? I remember after the Ind match comments were made that it will be coming up during next matches..since during IND match Sehwag went after him right from first ball...........not sure but did we try it when BD tail was up .. during Holland match..?


I started coming to BC again during the World Cup. They took some wonderful initiatives to support our cricket team. There have been a lot of criticisms (fair and unfair) in the last few days. Usually, I just go by them but since you are directly interacting with our Coach, I had to make this post.

Ian already said why the butterfly was not bowled.

I cannot force people to bowl the butterfly and the bowlers decide when it's right to try it if they wish.


There is no point indulging in the same topic. You need to master the secret weapon first and then feel confident enough to use it in the match. The Coach did not create the hype.

We can analyse and over-analyse things but at the end of the day, we do it at the comfort of our own home (and everyone knows it is easier said than done;)). Barring two/three players and some team combinations, I still have a lot of faith in this team. The pressure got to them in the end but we (the fans) and the media are also responsible for their downfall.

People who burn effigies, throw stones are highly immature and lack the education to be civil. We should never encourage or justify such behaviours. Srilanka is also in the subcontinent and their fans are far more well mannered. The least we can do is match them in that respect.

Peace.

Tendulkar_Mcgrath
March 22, 2011, 06:19 PM
Ian, come on coach...........these same fans will keep your photos in their wallet , if your pace bowlers does way better than this? So why to bother...

Zunaid
March 22, 2011, 06:59 PM
It's always been like that, ever since we started playing cricket. Nothing new.

You're the coach - make it smooth.

Make him "The Coach"?
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lamisa
March 23, 2011, 07:15 AM
....That bolded italicised part above made NO sense by the way.....

I didn't write the article in the newspaper about the butterfly - I was interviewed about it. How can I speak of it too early when the journalist saw it being bowled and asked what it was? You make it sound like I started the media campaign about the butterfly stuff.

I don't write the newspapers and control the media....

I know you want to seemingly blame me that we are out of the WC without the butterfly being bowled and it's my fault the fans throw stones at the buses and cause a major security breach.

I am fast learning that some BD fans like to blame everything and everybody.

i don't want to and am not blame you for anything.u have helped our pacers a lot and ofcourse i acknowledge it.

as for me being positive about our cricket but at the same time criticising parts of it,of course i bother to do it becase i love bd cricket so much and have high hopes from it. i truly believe that we can be at the top one day and hence i speak of the aspects where we can improve, which one may also call criticism of parts of bd cricket

BASSMAN
March 25, 2011, 02:53 PM
Firstly Ian Pont thanks for your efforts with the bowlers. IMO you have had a positive impact on the "quickies"

I used to despise Rubel for his wayward bowling. But now he has significantly improved his bowling in the past few months and bowls more intelligently.

Shafiul has also made many observable adjustments, and I am quite pleased that he doesnt toss the ball in the air before he starts his bowling line up.

A few questions does cross my mind: Do the quickes have a say where fielders are placed?
Has Shadat Hossain made any progress?
Can we look forward to any new World Class Bowlers?

Best wishes for the future and I have you stay a few more years to help Bangladesh Cricket.

SS
March 25, 2011, 02:56 PM
There is already a question thread for asking question to Ian.
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=35512

A little search before posting any questions will save coach a lot of time and also will be relevant.

cricket_dorshok
March 25, 2011, 03:20 PM
so, failure (against big boys) aslei sob mohapurush typical bangali hoye jai: amare 9 nomber team, amader bowler gula world er 50 er moddhe o nai, amader long bumpy road ahead, etc etc.......
amagao Taklu da to ai montro diye 4 bochor katai dilo. ar 'uni' ekhonei suru kore dise!

roman
March 25, 2011, 03:25 PM
so, failure (against big boys) aslei sob mohapurush typical bangali hoye jai: amare 9 nomber team, amader bowler gula world er 50 er moddhe o nai, amader long bumpy road ahead, etc etc.......
amagao Taklu da to ai montro diye 4 bochor katai dilo. ar 'uni' ekhonei suru kore dise!

Ekhon nirob thakai Uttom :)

Avik
March 26, 2011, 10:10 AM
what the coach said, makes sense. shafiul was the only one of the players who knew how to use it, and he didnt feel confident enough to use that delivery.

that shud be the end of it. the coach didnt publicize the delivery. its the media who did it. and now the media is/will run amok because of our performance. why blame the coach, when he neither publicized it, nor was he responsible of bowling that delivery.

zainab
March 26, 2011, 02:55 PM
Well guys, Ian is leaving, at least, he found the time and patience to interact with the fans here. As a coach, I am surprised to see tht he did this. Also, Julien found time and both are leaving. How sad!!!

Sakib
March 26, 2011, 03:29 PM
come my projapoti,
come come my projapoti,
you'r my butterfly,
suggah babyyy!

Shubho
March 26, 2011, 03:36 PM
come my projapoti,
come come my projapoti,
you'r my butterfly,
suggah babyyy!

LOL

Love it! Brings back fond memories from my university days!