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betaar
December 6, 2010, 03:14 AM
I couldn't wait till the end of his spell to judge but the way he's bowling till his 4th over tells me Mash is atleast on the right track. The way he's running in tells me he's gaining his confidence though he's not in his usual stride yet. But look at the way he is making the ball talk, darting it at will and that's the sign of the old Mash we know. There's no sign of having the old Mash back even in the last match that he played. May be too early to tell, but what a transformation, I'm loving it......

Nadim
December 6, 2010, 03:15 AM
yup!:fire::joy:

betaar
December 6, 2010, 03:18 AM
Speaking of his bowling he just took Taibu out the same way he took Sehwag out few years a go......a well deserving one. Bravo...................

Zunaid
December 6, 2010, 03:19 AM
Welcome back Mash. You bet he is back.

Kana-Baba
December 6, 2010, 03:19 AM
partially....today he is getting lots of help from the cloudy weather. But i must say his ability to move ball both ways were a treat for eyes.

betaar
December 6, 2010, 03:24 AM
Can a Mod change the title please? I meant to type, Is the Mash of OLD back? I don't know what happened? May be I am just too caffeenated at 2 in the morning watching Mash bowl and me contemplating of "Calling in HYPED" at work in the morning.

crickwizard
December 6, 2010, 03:27 AM
and Mash hasn't started to jump before delivery yet as precaution. Once that happens, more speed and more swing coming

betaar
December 6, 2010, 03:38 AM
and Mash hasn't started to jump before delivery yet as precaution. Once that happens, more speed and more swing coming

I've heard the commie say that but to be honest may be its better he doesn't. Someone like him with so many ankle and knee injuries should avoid jumping around too much, especially at the returning series. With his physical frailty he should really focus on line and length without too much pace. Line/ lenght/ movement will be enough for him to make life miserable for the others.

Shaan
December 6, 2010, 04:00 AM
So nice to see this big man is getting back into his rhythm, as somewhere Iceman mentioned you shouldn't just look for wicket look for miserly way giving away runs, be tight in your line length then batsman will automatically take risk make mistakes and give you wicket. And I think Mash should follow this piece of advice from Iceman !!!

Habib
December 6, 2010, 04:33 AM
'Mash of old' will never come back I'm afraid. He used to bowl 140kph consistently before but he can't bowl that fast regularly now. What he can do is to maintain line & length & swing it a bit with 130-135kph like he did today.

Shaan
December 6, 2010, 04:37 AM
'Mash of old' will never come back I'm afraid. He used to bowl 140kph consistently before but he can't bowl that fast regularly now. What he can do is to maintain line & length & swing it a bit with 130-135kph like he did today.
Exactly.. he should concentrate on tight line and length ..!!

Rabz
December 6, 2010, 04:51 AM
With the Zimbo's struggling for 20/3 or something in a cloudy winter afternoon in Dhaka, Mash would not find any better time to get back in rhythm. This has to be it.
If he can't get back on track utilising this golden opportunity, he never can.
Hit 'em while they are low, get back your own confidence.

Nafi
December 6, 2010, 05:32 AM
I dont want him in the WC team, unless he's bowling 140k

al Furqaan
December 6, 2010, 05:32 AM
i actually wanted him dropped, even though i figured he'd be ready in a couple weeks time. i guess he's almost there.

i'd say he's 75% back to the old mash...once he starts jumping he should be back to his 80-82 mph bowling.

crikfreak
December 6, 2010, 05:52 AM
quite satistfied wi the way mash played today... :D:D:D

he just needs to keep going this way.... :) n things will get much better....

Naimul_Hd
December 6, 2010, 05:57 AM
his batting at the end did the magic of his bowling !! Hitting couple of 4's gave him some sort of confidence back !! I hope, he continues to play regardless of Wkt column....he along with Razzaq and Shakib (in bowling) will be the trump-card for WC success !!

yaseer
December 6, 2010, 06:43 AM
Yes, he is getting it back. In form Mash is always as asset for our team. Liked the way he made the ball talk today by swinging it both ways.

lamisa
December 6, 2010, 09:32 AM
agree with naimul bhai here,that 11 off 4 did the trick for him,boosted his confidence and all!

Raynman
December 6, 2010, 09:39 AM
One is random, two in a row can be a conincidence, three in a row deserves note and four in a row is a pattern.

It will be good to see him back and bowling 10 solid overs is a definite plus. Lets see how the next two matches go.

The ownership has to be on BCB think tank to monitor him during the DPL to ensure that he is ready to contribute as a bowler on a regular basis for the WC matches. The 1 week gap between the matches will definitely help.

BanCricFan
December 6, 2010, 10:24 AM
I've heard the commie say that but to be honest may be its better he doesn't. Someone like him with so many ankle and knee injuries should avoid jumping around too much,

I totally agree with you!

Pace bowling doesn't get any better than the great Wasim Akram. And you will see he hardly had a jump. A beautiful measured, smooth but intentful run-up, lightening quick-arm action, perfect wrist and seam position at the point of release and immaculate line and, particularly, length did it for Wasim. Mash not need to look elsewhere. He should have a chat with the great man (the cricketer).

Baundule
December 6, 2010, 10:25 AM
An in form Mash is a great asset for us, he can hold one end in the opening overs, when our bowlers are the most vulnerable. Good to see him get his rythm back. Wishing him an injury-free future.

jisaan
December 6, 2010, 10:53 AM
his batting at the end did the magic of his bowling !! Hitting couple of 4's gave him some sort of confidence back !! I hope, he continues to play regardless of Wkt column....he along with Razzaq and Shakib (in bowling) will be the trump-card for WC success !!

agree on both points.
well said

betaar
December 6, 2010, 11:05 AM
With the Zimbo's struggling for 20/3 or something in a cloudy winter afternoon in Dhaka, Mash would not find any better time to get back in rhythm. This has to be it.
If he can't get back on track utilising this golden opportunity, he never can.
Hit 'em while they are low, get back your own confidence.

It's true the pitch and the condition were helping pacers but Mash coming back in his grove had nothing to do with the opposition or the match situation. He looked good even from the very first over of the match that he bowled. I think it’s his hunger to do better that made the difference. His body language was totally different today and he looked to be the old Mash that used to roar in like a tiger.

The way Mash bowled, even if he leaked more runs I would still say he was coming back. He landed the ball on the right areas, swung and cut both ways (in fact I don’t remember Mash or any Bangladeshi bowler, for that matter, to cut the ball in that much in recent years). He was so unlucky to not get more wickets but if he keeps bowling this way he won’t have to wait too long

jisaan
December 6, 2010, 11:07 AM
too much confusion
probably mash's wicket got you too much excited.
:-p
I couldn't wait till the end of his spell to judge but the way he's bowling till his 4th over tells me Mash is atleast on the right track. The way he's running in tells me he's gaining his confidence though he's not in his usual stride yet. But look at the way he is making the ball talk, darting it at will and that's the sign of the old Mash we know. There's no sign of having the old Mash back (though even till the last game he looked out of sort). I'm loving it......

HereWeGo
December 6, 2010, 11:11 AM
He mostly bowled at 122-127kmph..... The cloud cover helped with the swing....he never really looked too threatning or never looked like getting a wicket anytime...

SO HE IS NOT BACK

roman
December 6, 2010, 11:13 AM
I never wrote him off. He is the best pacer we have ever produced. Eventhough injury has taken a lot out of him but what he needs some match practice and our support more than anything. He is still playing after all these surgeries. We should be supporting him rather than criticizing him..I am sure by the WC we'll have a much fitter and stronger Mash( May Allah keep him healthy )

betaar
December 6, 2010, 11:14 AM
i actually wanted him dropped, even though i figured he'd be ready in a couple weeks time. i guess he's almost there.

i'd say he's 75% back to the old mash...once he starts jumping he should be back to his 80-82 mph bowling.

I did too but that was for his own good. An underperformed Mash could totally lose his confidence and may not get back to his usual self. But whad'ya know, he seems to still have some tigerish hunger left in him.

rinathq
December 6, 2010, 11:18 AM
If he plays like this, he will run through the Indian order, the good part about his speed is it's not that much and the batsmen can't really take a full advantage of the speed ( not in this field)
Also he bowled 135!!!!! So he can have some pace variation, his swing is Ali top class, I hope he doesnt get into injuries,....
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Night_wolf
December 6, 2010, 11:25 AM
his batting at the end did the magic of his bowling !! Hitting couple of 4's gave him some sort of confidence back !! I hope, he continues to play regardless of Wkt column....he along with Razzaq and Shakib (in bowling) will be the trump-card for WC success !!

exactly!..he is not quiet there but his bowling today was a treat for the eyes regardless what the condition was..

betaar
December 6, 2010, 11:27 AM
He mostly bowled at 122-127kmph..... The cloud cover helped with the swing....he never really looked too threatning or never looked like getting a wicket anytime...

SO HE IS NOT BACK

If you judge him by the lack of pace, then of course not…………if you compare him with his original bowling action when he was 22-23, of course not. But if you judge the way he swung and darted the ball then it’s pretty darn close.
The condition was same for both Shafiul and Mash but did you see Shafiul swing or cut the ball as much? Yes, it’s true swing gets exaggerated by the overcast condition but for a bowler to cut the ball he has to be able to use the seam properly. And the old Mash used to do that all the time. He used to always start with cutting and swinging outward and then all of a sudden bring one back in sharply……and I saw him do that today. So he may not be back fully….but he’s on his way. And that’s refreshing to see. As he said in his interview, <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/ /><st1:place w:st=Bangladesh</st1:place> cannot just depend on spin only and it nice to see that he’s trying to take the load off of Shakib and Razzak.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img src=" /><o:p></o:p>

thebest
December 6, 2010, 11:36 AM
He mostly bowled at 122-127kmph..... The cloud cover helped with the swing....he never really looked too threatning or never looked like getting a wicket anytime...

SO HE IS NOT BACK
Vaas at his best bowl in 130s and modal speed was 120s. So was Pollock. If you could swing like Mash can than 125 is good enough speed.
Mash is back I think. Why? He swinged both way; he landed mostly in the corridor of uncertainty. In fact I did not saw he bowled a single ball on legside today (i missed around 2 and a half of his overs). He offered width in the offside today
Sometime scoreboard lie. Today is one. He bowled 10X time better than Shafi but wicket column reflect the opposite because Zimbo batsman were so inept they could not even reach those outswinger

ialbd
December 6, 2010, 11:40 AM
good to see him finding some rhythm .... but he has some distance to go with his bowling...

but when it came down to the power slogging by Mashrafe.... it gave us all a chance to reminisce the peak days of Mashrafe.... and only this can justify his inclusion over Rubel...

Shakil_TX
December 6, 2010, 12:18 PM
Mash has done so much for our cricket. He has provided his service day in and day out for many years.I saw many people bashing him right after the first game. This guy is a true Bengal tiger and will give everything he has for our nation, and for our cricket.So we all fans and supporters need to stand behind him and be patient with him. Yes he was below par in the first two games but then we all saw how well he bowled in yesterday's game.He just needs sometime and more game practice to get back to his original self. Unlike Ashraful who has been given numerous chances to make a come back, Mash has not been given that many chances.

So let's all give him our support and I am pretty sure it's just a matter of time (sooner
than most of us think) he comes back with vengeance.

Brit-boy
December 6, 2010, 12:28 PM
Well said.


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Baundule
December 6, 2010, 12:35 PM
Vaas at his best bowl in 130s and modal speed was 120s. So was Pollock. If you could swing like Mash can than 125 is good enough speed.
Mash is back I think. Why? He swinged both way; he landed mostly in the corridor of uncertainty. In fact I did not saw he bowled a single ball on legside today (i missed around 2 and a half of his overs). He offered width in the offside today
Sometime scoreboard lie. Today is one. He bowled 10X time better than Shafi but wicket column reflect the opposite because Zimbo batsman were so inept they could not even reach those outswinger
Moral of the story: Never swing much. :D

I like the speed explanation. Good line and length with the ability to swing is enough.

Shakil_TX
December 6, 2010, 12:36 PM
Well said.


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Thanks Bro!

tiger_omar
December 6, 2010, 01:21 PM
I dont want him in the WC team, unless he's bowling 140k

To each his own.

rinathq
December 6, 2010, 01:57 PM
I was thinking, if mash stays in squad and does good, we dunt really need Shafi.... Its a much better idea to take rubel which will balance the attack more
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Dilscoop
December 6, 2010, 02:12 PM
Are we the same people who bashed him like a day ago?

betaar
December 6, 2010, 02:18 PM
Are we the same people who bashed him like a day ago?

Yes, we are. We have a love affair with Bangladesh cricket and every Bangladeshi player works as a property of the chemistry that makes us love or hate Bangladeshi cricket.......it is only natural. :flag:

roman
December 6, 2010, 03:44 PM
Are we the same people who bashed him like a day ago?

LOL...Thats human nature for you

roman
December 6, 2010, 04:14 PM
http://paloadmin.prothom-aloblog.com:8088/resize/maxDim/340x1000/img/uploads/media/2010-12-06-17-51-19-019819000-masrafi.jpg

Missed this for so long...

Nafi
December 6, 2010, 05:51 PM
Vaas at his best bowl in 130s and modal speed was 120s. So was Pollock. If you could swing like Mash can than 125 is good enough speed.
Mash is back I think. Why? He swinged both way; he landed mostly in the corridor of uncertainty. In fact I did not saw he bowled a single ball on legside today (i missed around 2 and a half of his overs). He offered width in the offside today
Sometime scoreboard lie. Today is one. He bowled 10X time better than Shafi but wicket column reflect the opposite because Zimbo batsman were so inept they could not even reach those outswinger


This is foolish talk

Pollock and vaas were masters of swing and accuracy, they were genuine swing bowlers. Mash is not a genuine swing bowler

Today there was so much cloud cover, even mushy could have taken his pads off, get the new ball in his hands and swing it both ways. For God's sake, mash isnt even jumping in his delivery stride.

His best ODI figures, was when he had the ball seaming and darting around at 85mph

He will get trashed against teams like South Africa/India/West Indies, if he bowls this silly gentle pace, because he is not a genuine swing bowler or the action to produce swing in most conditions, neither did he ever have the accuracy.

Id rather have Syed Rasel or Sajidul to fill that role (if needed), genuine swing bowlers

22Yards
December 6, 2010, 06:08 PM
The only reason for his success was that he ran and ran in hard. He was totally committed to the game as he knew well that his *** was gonna get dropped if he don't perform well enough. Now thats a quality of a player who realizes and gives output when pushed unlike some clowns we have such as raqibul and ashraful who will blew all of their chances just like that. They will embrace this idea of getting dropped merrily or at most may do some drama but simply CAN NOT show their worth in the field through performance.

I still need to show consistency from mash before completely agree that he should be in the final XI for the WC.

beshideshi
December 6, 2010, 06:11 PM
Moral of the story: Never swing much. :D



This is a good point, in the ongoing ashes series, they show how much the ball deviates. A deviation of 0.7-1.2 degrees is ideal to get a nick. swing it more and you are likely to miss the edge. I think that's what happened to Mash today.

I did not see the match today, but just saw the highlights, and I think he is back. Some of his off/leg cutters were absolute world class, would have beaten the very best in the business. I hope he can improve on this and be our main weapon with the new ball. Because, regardless of how well Shafi and Rubel bowls, none can swing the ball like Mash in the early overs.

beshideshi
December 6, 2010, 06:16 PM
Are we the same people who bashed him like a day ago?

Yup, and now let me tell you the golden rule of sports. You perform, we worship. You fail, we bash.

ashraful1
December 6, 2010, 06:22 PM
I think he should focus on just swinging the ball n becoming more specialised on aspect of his game instead of speed, with his swing n rubal or shafi pace could be a really good balanced pace attack.

LBW103
December 6, 2010, 07:52 PM
LOL...Thats human nature for you

No that's BD fans for you

Zunaid
December 6, 2010, 08:11 PM
No that's BD fans for you

Now, that's kind of a low blow. There are fans of every ilk and every country has it's share of FANatics who live in the moment with nary a thought of the past nor the future. Every country. Just gander over to any NFL or Premier League fan forum. The calls for blood is even more blood curdling than any you will find here.

Yea, granted that this forum too has it's usual share of fans who will turn on you at the drop of a hat ball, but so do all forums.

But this forum also has a fine collection of intelligent fans who love the game and whether they have played it or not AND do understand the nuances of the game. They understand that players go through dark days and purple patches. They understand that coaches often have to scream bloody murder to no avail. They understand why often decisions are made in the field the way they were. And in the end, they are here through thick and thin for both the players and the support staff.

It is for the fans who watch the game that the sport succeeds.

Dilscoop
December 6, 2010, 09:52 PM
^ I say we kick him out for saying that. But mainly because he has failed to utilize the the match-threads and only posted 47 posts in 5 years. :P

Rifat
December 6, 2010, 09:54 PM
not totally convinced yet! this was just one match...

let's see, we will inshaAllah find out in february ;)

Sohel
December 7, 2010, 09:18 AM
Sure hope that lethal opening spell is back! Just don't let him bowl at death. Then again, maybe Coach Pont can make him composed and lethal there too.

Brit-boy
December 7, 2010, 09:48 AM
Too early to say! judge him after the series...
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AsifTheManRahman
December 7, 2010, 10:54 AM
It's just one game. Consistency is the key and unless he can repeat his performances, he shouldn't be in the XI. Same with Raqibul and Zunaed, an occasional 50 should never be enough for a first XI spot.

Tiger444
December 7, 2010, 11:01 AM
It's just one game. Consistency is the key and unless he can repeat his performances, he shouldn't be in the XI. Same with Raqibul and Zunaed, an occasional 50 should never be enough for a first XI spot.

Agreed. Consistency is the name of the game. Good to see Mash bowling so well but he has to keep it up. As you said same with Roqibul and Zunaed. I think these next 2 ODIs is gonna be crucial for everyone. Let's see who can play well in the last 2 matches.

roman
December 7, 2010, 04:54 PM
It's just one game. Consistency is the key and unless he can repeat his performances, he shouldn't be in the XI. Same with Raqibul and Zunaed, an occasional 50 should never be enough for a first XI spot.

Please dont compare Mash with Roqibul and Zunaed. They dont even have half the caliber of Mash to be compared with.

Tiger444
December 7, 2010, 05:01 PM
Please dont compare Mash with Roqibul and Zunaed. They dont even have half the caliber of Mash to be compared with.

How's he comparing Mash to Roqibul and Zunaed? He's just saying that if you don't perform consistently then you don't get a spot and since Zunaed and Roqibul are not performing consistently either he's just pointing that out.

roman
December 7, 2010, 05:04 PM
OK Maybe I misunderstood. Thanx for clarifying

Shaan
December 7, 2010, 05:08 PM
OK Maybe I misunderstood. Thanx for clarifying

How's he comparing Mash to Roqibul and Zunaed? He's just saying that if you don't perform consistently then you don't get a spot and since Zunaed and Roqibul are not performing consistently either he's just pointing that out.
lukjon uttejit hoye jacche ajkal boro taratari.. ;)

Naimul_Hd
December 7, 2010, 09:29 PM
keoi bujhte parlo na Mash er old form e firar gopon rohossho !! Junaid ager match 50 mairei ramp model er sathe isting fisting korar chance paise....ekhon Mash ki ar boshe thakte pare :-p

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