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capslock
December 14, 2010, 09:32 PM
Discussed on the Switch Hit cricket show. Right near the end. :-D

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/492598.html?genre=27

Naimul_Hd
December 14, 2010, 09:58 PM
One of their specialists said, "Bangladesh made to WC semis last time" !!??? :confused: when ?? :doh:

They could have gathered some information before even analyzing a team. They clearly did not cover Zim series or even NZ series. They said vaguely most of the time. English only knows one player in Bangladesh team, and that is "Tamim Iqbal" ! :-D

Dilscoop
December 14, 2010, 10:36 PM
40 min? Damn. When do they start talking about us? I don't wanna listen to the whole thing.

EDIT

man just skip all the way to the end.

Dilscoop
December 14, 2010, 10:38 PM
One of their specialists said, "Bangladesh made to WC semis last time" !!??? :confused: when ?? :doh:

They could have gathered some information before even analyzing a team. They clearly did not cover Zim series or even NZ series. They said vaguely most of the time. English only knows one player in Bangladesh team, and that is "Tamim Iqbal" ! :-D

They mentioned NZ 4-0 and Zim 3-1.

Ajfar
December 14, 2010, 10:59 PM
They have no idea what's going on with our team. If they did they definitely would have mentioned that we recently got JF and Pont and that seems to be working out for us.

Habib
December 14, 2010, 11:50 PM
We were considered the dark horse in the last WC also. Nothing new.

Rabz
December 15, 2010, 12:54 AM
What dark Horse ?
We are The Tigers.

Night_wolf
December 15, 2010, 04:40 AM
What dark Horse ?
We are The Tigers.

not just any tigers Bengal Tigers!

zainab
December 15, 2010, 07:05 AM
A dark horse? Hope they live up to it and spring a few pleasant surprises. That would make my year.

beshideshi
December 15, 2010, 08:28 AM
I believe last time we were dark horse in the sense that we could pull off one or two surprises,which we did. But this time they were talking about us pulling a Sri Lanka. To be honest I don't think it's impossible, if we can make the qf, it's just 3 more games to win ;)

ammark
December 15, 2010, 08:46 AM
I believe last time we were dark horse in the sense that we could pull off one or two surprises,which we did. But this time they were talking about us pulling a Sri Lanka. To be honest I don't think it's impossible, if we can make the qf, it's just 3 more games to win ;)

To pull a Sri Lanka, our top order *must* perform. SL had Jayasuriya (Tamim), and when he didnt shine, his work was done by Kaluwitharana (SN/Rakibul for the explosivity). When the openers couldnt be substantial, they were ably backed up by Aravinda de Silva (Sakib) and Ranatunga (Mushy/Junaid/Kayes). To provide support Gurusinha and Mahanama also played their roles (Junaid/ Kayes/ Riyadh/ Naeem).

Mashrafe also has to pull off a Vaas. While Razzak, Sakib, Shubho are there to act as Murali, Dharmasena, Jayasuriya

Night_wolf
December 15, 2010, 09:16 AM
^shak is most probably like ranatunga..if he can be a captain like ranatunga it will be awesome!

ammark
December 15, 2010, 09:33 AM
I disagree. In terms of class, batting intelligence, skill, technique, Aravinda de Silva was the most masterful batsman in the SL team. A different breed from Jayasuriya-like explosive batsmen. Aravinda could pace his innings excellently. Ranatunga was a good complement to de Silva. Sakib plays that anchor role very much in our team. Like de Silva, Sakib will punish and frustrate the bowler to wits end. Except that in comparison, Sakib usually will get out to complacency, tiredness and a deficit in sustained temperament.

Night_wolf
December 15, 2010, 09:42 AM
^i compared shakib with ranatunga as captain wise not batting wise..dont u find similarities with ranatunga the captain and shakib the captain?

ammark
December 15, 2010, 09:56 AM
^i compared shakib with ranatunga as captain wise not batting wise..dont u find similarities with ranatunga the captain and shakib the captain?

Cant really remember Ranatunga's captaincy, I'm sure he was good. I think Sakib has shades of Mark Taylor as a captain: well-earned arrogance and clinical in what they do.

Night_wolf
December 15, 2010, 10:34 AM
Cant really remember Ranatunga's captaincy, I'm sure he was good. I think Sakib has shades of Mark Taylor as a captain: well-earned arrogance and clinical in what they do.

Just remember how ranatunga stand up for murali in aus..i believe shakib has the same talent..arrogance and will do anything for win and his players:)

BANFAN
December 15, 2010, 11:45 AM
We sure are the Darkhorses for WC untill we get the cup and I have the feeling that BD is winning the worldcup; however unrealistic that might sound. It always will, untill we get that.

roaring tigerz
December 15, 2010, 12:01 PM
The Bangladesh team of today and the Srilanka team of 96 are a world apart. We will be lucky to make it to the second round, let alone make it any further. The Srilanka team had a solid batting line up, led by two world class batsmen ( Aravinda and Arjuna). These guys had played together for years, achieved a lot of success in all conditions and peaked during the '96 Cup. The Shakibs and Tamims, though already formidable players haven't reached their peaks yet.

The Jaya-Kalu partnership set the Lankans apart, and pretty much won them games in the first ten overs. Nowadays, these starts are the norm rather than the exception. Every team, except Pakistan has a powerhitter starting the innings.

Lastly, we have glaring deficiencies which we need to overcome to be among the top ODI sides. We struggle chasing anything over 250, do not have a power-hitter to finish off the innings, lack incisive new ball bowlers, do not have a consistent batsmen in positions 3-4, and also have a below part fielding unit. It's not our time yet. Its advisable to keep expectations at a realistic level.

ammark
December 15, 2010, 12:08 PM
The Bangladesh team of today and the Srilanka team of 96 are a world apart.....

....It's not our time yet. Its advisable to keep expectations at a realistic level.

Well said. Thats why I basically said that the batting order *must* perform! And the bowlers also have to take their game up a few notches. To say we're a Dark Horse is true if only our team can consistently fire *all* their guns in every match.

BANFAN
December 15, 2010, 12:36 PM
The Bangladesh team of today and the Srilanka team of 96 are a world apart. We will be lucky to make it to the second round, let alone make it any further. The Srilanka team had a solid batting line up, led by two world class batsmen ( Aravinda and Arjuna). These guys had played together for years, achieved a lot of success in all conditions and peaked during the '96 Cup. The Shakibs and Tamims, though already formidable players haven't reached their peaks yet.

The Jaya-Kalu partnership set the Lankans apart, and pretty much won them games in the first ten overs. Nowadays, these starts are the norm rather than the exception. Every team, except Pakistan has a powerhitter starting the innings.

Lastly, we have glaring deficiencies which we need to overcome to be among the top ODI sides. We struggle chasing anything over 250, do not have a power-hitter to finish off the innings, lack incisive new ball bowlers, do not have a consistent batsmen in positions 3-4, and also have a below part fielding unit. It's not our time yet. Its advisable to keep expectations at a realistic level.

Why does BD have to compare with SL for winning the world cup? Is that the only road to success?

In current scenario; BD has the capacity to keep the opponents around 250 and win 3 matches out of 7 in home conditions. Not by chance, that should be achieveable with our ability.

Then 3 matches, very much possible at this stage & level pressure will always be on the opponents. We now have good ability with both bat and ball to multiply the pressure effect and force them to make mistakes.

We have the ability with bat and ball to explot favorable conditions.

Why do we have to be measured against that Sl team instead of the current conditions and relative strength of our team in these conditions? IMO, it is possible for us. We are no more like even 2007 WC.

We will still make mistakes, but at a lower rate
We will still have some inconsistencies, but at a lower rate
We will still surrender matches before it is won, but at a lower rate
We ..........

That means we are much more competitive than before. Just add that with our 2007 worldcup team and conditions and our form. I'm sure we have a realistic chance of contending for the cup.

Cricket46
December 15, 2010, 04:37 PM
Very well analyzed in brief. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. QF should be the target, anything else would be a bonus. Per current ranking, we should not even make to QF. Just as we expect to surprise India, England, WI, SA, we need to be sure that Ireland and Netherland do not surprise us.

The Bangladesh team of today and the Srilanka team of 96 are a world apart. We will be lucky to make it to the second round, let alone make it any further. The Srilanka team had a solid batting line up, led by two world class batsmen ( Aravinda and Arjuna). These guys had played together for years, achieved a lot of success in all conditions and peaked during the '96 Cup. The Shakibs and Tamims, though already formidable players haven't reached their peaks yet.

The Jaya-Kalu partnership set the Lankans apart, and pretty much won them games in the first ten overs. Nowadays, these starts are the norm rather than the exception. Every team, except Pakistan has a powerhitter starting the innings.

Lastly, we have glaring deficiencies which we need to overcome to be among the top ODI sides. We struggle chasing anything over 250, do not have a power-hitter to finish off the innings, lack incisive new ball bowlers, do not have a consistent batsmen in positions 3-4, and also have a below part fielding unit. It's not our time yet. Its advisable to keep expectations at a realistic level.

catstrophy
December 15, 2010, 10:41 PM
Why does BD have to compare with SL for winning the world cup? Is that the only road to success?

In current scenario; BD has the capacity to keep the opponents around 250 and win 3 matches out of 7 in home conditions. Not by chance, that should be achieveable with our ability.

Then 3 matches, very much possible at this stage & level pressure will always be on the opponents. We now have good ability with both bat and ball to multiply the pressure effect and force them to make mistakes.

We have the ability with bat and ball to explot favorable conditions.

Why do we have to be measured against that Sl team instead of the current conditions and relative strength of our team in these conditions? IMO, it is possible for us. We are no more like even 2007 WC.

We will still make mistakes, but at a lower rate
We will still have some inconsistencies, but at a lower rate
We will still surrender matches before it is won, but at a lower rate
We ..........

That means we are much more competitive than before. Just add that with our 2007 worldcup team and conditions and our form. I'm sure we have a realistic chance of contending for the cup.

Where's the "like" button??:big_hug:

beshideshi
December 15, 2010, 11:53 PM
To pull a Sri Lanka, our top order *must* perform. SL had Jayasuriya (Tamim), and when he didnt shine, his work was done by Kaluwitharana (SN/Rakibul for the explosivity). When the openers couldnt be substantial, they were ably backed up by Aravinda de Silva (Sakib) and Ranatunga (Mushy/Junaid/Kayes). To provide support Gurusinha and Mahanama also played their roles (Junaid/ Kayes/ Riyadh/ Naeem).

Mashrafe also has to pull off a Vaas. While Razzak, Sakib, Shubho are there to act as Murali, Dharmasena, Jayasuriya

You don't really expect a team to win the WC without their top order performing, do you?

Also, Tamim firing is crucial at many levels, not only because of the runs he will get. More often than not, his runs will come at a brisk pace and destroy the opponent bowler's confidence and raise the morale of the whole Bangladeshi team. In my opinion its crucial that he gets some runs every game, be it a 40 ball 60 or a 100 ball 90.

And we are not Sri Lanka, and we are not playing in the 1996 world cup. Our formula of winning will be very different from that of Sri Lanka. Our target should be to restrict any opponent below 250, given our home conditions and our accurate spin quartet I dont think it's impossible.

If I were Jamie Siddons, I would say. Choke the opponent and restrict them below 250 at any cost. While batting, make sure we are 60-70/0-2 in 10 overs, play sensible cricket in the middle overs and go bananas in the last 10.

But realistically, semi final would be more than an astounding achievement for us.
But the dreamer inside me says, we have seen bigger miracles than the possible sight of Shakib Al Hasan lifting the trophy.

Zeeshan
December 15, 2010, 11:59 PM
With Australia looking shoddy, New Zealand on losing streak, post-turmoil West Indies and Pakistan shenanigans, time has never been ripe for Tigers to pull a fast one and go for the cup. It's okay if we built castles in the sky, all we have to do is build the foundation underneath now with strategies.

PoorFan
December 16, 2010, 12:21 AM
Without a tag of 'Dark Horse' ... a WC host cant be a host. In other words ... a 'Dudh Bhaat' honor to a host country.

Dilscoop
December 16, 2010, 01:22 AM
What dark Horse ?
We are The Tigers.

Ya, screw the dark horse.

Kala Tigers. That's what we are.

al-Sagar
December 16, 2010, 01:38 AM
eibar amra black horse

Night_wolf
December 16, 2010, 01:44 AM
^black tiger:)

ammark
December 16, 2010, 02:01 AM
eibar amra black horse

chhi chhi, eishob khaile to drug testing'e falay dibo amago dol're

lamisa
December 16, 2010, 09:37 AM
^^it's just an energy drink!

shuziburo
December 16, 2010, 09:41 AM
I believe last time we were dark horse in the sense that we could pull off one or two surprises,which we did. But this time they were talking about us pulling a Sri Lanka. To be honest I don't think it's impossible, if we can make the qf, it's just 3 more games to win ;)

Our batting will have to step up besides TIK and SAH. If that happens, we can pull a Sri Lanka.

Sobaike Bijoy Dibosher Shuvechchha.

shuziburo
December 16, 2010, 09:49 AM
The Bangladesh team of today and the Srilanka team of 96 are a world apart. We will be lucky to make it to the second round, let alone make it any further. The Srilanka team had a solid batting line up, led by two world class batsmen ( Aravinda and Arjuna). These guys had played together for years, achieved a lot of success in all conditions and peaked during the '96 Cup. The Shakibs and Tamims, though already formidable players haven't reached their peaks yet.

The Jaya-Kalu partnership set the Lankans apart, and pretty much won them games in the first ten overs. Nowadays, these starts are the norm rather than the exception. Every team, except Pakistan has a powerhitter starting the innings.

Lastly, we have glaring deficiencies which we need to overcome to be among the top ODI sides. We struggle chasing anything over 250, do not have a power-hitter to finish off the innings, lack incisive new ball bowlers, do not have a consistent batsmen in positions 3-4, and also have a below part fielding unit. It's not our time yet. Its advisable to keep expectations at a realistic level.

I think that the primary aim should be to make it to the next round. If we can make it to the knockout level, anything can happen. Like in basketball, one player can win you a match in cricket. (Say, a 100-ball 150 from TIK or 6-20 performance from AR.) My expectations are realistic, but desires don't have to be realistic. I desire the WC trophy.

al-Sagar
December 16, 2010, 10:27 AM
^^it's just an energy drink!

khaiso naki ???

amar obossho oitar ad er meye ta ke deikhe ar khaite iccha kore nai

crikfreak
December 16, 2010, 03:05 PM
1st aim.. get 2 the next round....

n after that... well its a matter of one match at a tymfrm then... u win.. ur in.. u loose.... ur out...

no 2nd chances... *sighs*

bt dreams dont cost a penny do they?? we have the liberty to dream... n boy... dreams can be sweet.. <3 :D

IanW
December 16, 2010, 03:58 PM
Crikfreak,

There is no team in the comp that Bangladesh can't beat - if they bowl in the right areas, work singles, pick the balls to hit, and field like demons.

Personally, I think Rubel and Shaiful will shock some people by getting early wickets, and we know what the SLAs can do. The big moment we need to see, however, is Bangladesh winning a high-scoring shootout.

But make sure you get in enough practice matches to be prepared, take it one game at a time, concentrate on doing well what you can do well, and that it's processes not results.

If you want all this translated out of Australian Coach talk, its 'Yeah. We are not only a legitimate dark horse, but we secretly think we can win this thing'.

shuziburo
December 16, 2010, 04:35 PM
Crikfreak,

There is no team in the comp that Bangladesh can't beat - if they bowl in the right areas, work singles, pick the balls to hit, and field like demons.

Personally, I think Rubel and Shaiful will shock some people by getting early wickets, and we know what the SLAs can do. The big moment we need to see, however, is Bangladesh winning a high-scoring shootout.

But make sure you get in enough practice matches to be prepared, take it one game at a time, concentrate on doing well what you can do well, and that it's processes not results.

If you want all this translated out of Australian Coach talk, its 'Yeah. We are not only a legitimate dark horse, but we secretly think we can win this thing'.

I think the primary reasons that BD will probably not win are experience, maturity, and belief. Remember that WC match that Aussies won against SA? A less experienced team (or a less experienced batsman than Steve Waugh) probably would have lost the match even after that dropped catch by Kallis. We might need another WC to get to that level. But, I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

IanW
December 17, 2010, 04:14 AM
Last World Cup, would you have believed we could have beaten South Africa and India ?

We're a better team this time around, and all our opponents are worse.

Carn the Tiges.

lamisa
December 17, 2010, 04:27 AM
we can really do very well ONLY if our batsmen man up(barring TIK and SAH).also tamim should concentrate on staying more on the wicket than playing fancy shots everytime the bowler gives him "the look",same with shakib:stop trying to play that scoop shot after u get a 50!!!that way he will never reach his 100.and the other run scorers,e.g-riyad(at times),rokibul and JS should really consider accelarating the innings!

lamisa
December 17, 2010, 04:28 AM
@offstump:na bhai,khai nai.

IanW
December 17, 2010, 04:31 AM
Lamisa,

Watch the game against India at the last world cup, trust your Tigers, and Believe.

Jadukor
December 17, 2010, 05:44 AM
Last World Cup, would you have believed we could have beaten South Africa and India ?

We're a better team this time around, and all our opponents are worse.Carn the Tiges.
can't agree... there is no doubt we are much improved but this India team also has risen to new heights under Dhoni and they are much better than the Indian team of 2007

however just like the 2007 Indian team found out... experience statistics and averages count for nothing on the field...so this time even though India looks the toughest opponent in our group, I feel our bowling attack has a much improved look about them as well. The match will on our turf... the stadium will be full of packed bd supporters... and we have two champion players in Tamim and Shakib who likes the big stage...
So I believe we can beat them....

Night_wolf
December 17, 2010, 08:12 AM
just looking at the groups,we r in a very tough group..eng,sa,ind are at the moment playing their best cricket..we'll have to play really well to get to qf

the other group looking not so energetic at the moment...Aus,Pak and NZ are playing crap atm..only SL is looking like a decent team

Baundule
December 17, 2010, 08:29 AM
Our success depends on the failures of others. If our batsmen perform moderately, we will be a tough team to beat at home.

Talking about the failures of others,

Australia is not a settled team at the moment.
India may lose some key players due to injury.
England, though in form, may find the condition difficult.
South Africa will not get the cup in spin-friendly conditions.

Pakistani players need money, which is enough cause for their self-destruction
West Indians are cheap wicket to spin.
New Zealand is a half team.
Zimbabwe are the team giving their 125% and still can not touch us.

The associates will only make the numbers.

So, the only option remains is Bangladesh!!

(oh! I forgot Sri Lanka. They might be the only real competitor for us. But with Jayasuriya retired or forced to retire, they have no chance)

tkandi4
December 17, 2010, 11:25 AM
This is what I expect when batting first: 260 runs at least

120 runs from 1-4 battings
120 runs from 5-8 battings
20 runs from 9-11 battings

Anyting over 260 would be honey over butter toast. Is it doable?

Baundule
December 18, 2010, 06:19 AM
This is what I expect when batting first: 260 runs at least

120 runs from 1-4 battings
120 runs from 5-8 battings
20 runs from 9-11 battings

Anyting over 260 would be honey over butter toast. Is it doable?
It does not work that way. We do not have to target this many runs or that. We have to adapt our game based on the situation. In Mirpur pitch, we usually do not need 260 to win a match. On the other hand, if the opponents are in fire, we can not win even scoring 360.

ammark
December 18, 2010, 07:22 AM
On the other hand, if the opponents are in fire, we can not win even scoring 360.

Absolutely... our bowling can become one-dimensional for certain opponents sometimes, and we do get belted around the park like crazy. Or our batsmen can be made mince meat because of their own folly. Either ways, lets not get too hyped up over some wins against Zim and NZ.

firstlane
December 18, 2010, 07:24 AM
It does not work that way. We do not have to target this many runs or that. We have to adapt our game based on the situation. In Mirpur pitch, we usually do not need 260 to win a match. On the other hand, if the opponents are in fire, we can not win even scoring 360.

He just wanted to know our opinion on whether 260 is doable by our batsmen or not. Based on the batting performance of last two series I doubt our batsmen can do a 260 unless Tamim is on fire.

Night_wolf
December 18, 2010, 08:40 AM
^still with tamim on fire we need to do well in our batting pp to reach 260

lamisa
December 18, 2010, 08:52 AM
ian i know that our batsmen really played well during the last WC but this time around,they are so SLOW that i am finding it hard to keep faith in them.but i do believe in the team as a unit and hope that they can live upto our exectations :)

simon
December 26, 2010, 06:29 PM
He just wanted to know our opinion on whether 260 is doable by our batsmen or not. Based on the batting performance of last two series I doubt our batsmen can do a 260 unless Tamim is on fire.

^still with tamim on fire we need to do well in our batting pp to reach 260

ya, we saw Tamim on fire several times against NZ,SA,Aus,Eng, etc but the rest of the bttng was poor engh to get us to a mediocre total.

simon
December 26, 2010, 06:38 PM
I thing last WC we were underdogs & more unpredictable.
This time opponents will take us more seriously,I'm confident thgh that we will make it to the 2nd round but still I don't think it will be a lot better than last WC eventhough we've improved,we still lack world class players,except Tamim & Sakib no1 else is world class(yet).
However,a lot of positives are there too,Tamim,Sakib,Rzzk in super form,Rubel & Imrul are looking good too,home conditions,2 excellent ODI series.

LateCut
December 27, 2010, 11:26 AM
I do not think BD will go to the second round. Listen to Boycott. It seems like he is talking about BD not the Aussies. Just swap the name and it will seem like that he is describing BDF batsmen. This includes Tamim and Shakib. Note whast he says about hook/pull shots and short high balls.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/494304.html?genre=1

sadhat
December 28, 2010, 02:29 AM
What dark Horse ?
We are The Tigers.
Actually we are cats. Domestic one.

akabir77
December 28, 2010, 08:20 AM
we will be in the final this time inshallah...

BANFAN
December 28, 2010, 10:07 AM
If we can reach in final, Then we will surely win the finals & the cup. I am ready for a bet :)

tiger_army
December 28, 2010, 10:20 PM
jevabe sobai "dark Horse" bole folache, at last ghorar anda na pailei hoi.....