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WorldCup11
January 9, 2011, 08:58 AM
Article Source : http://www.banglanews24.com/detailsnews.php?nssl=2910d1ad8c41edfda403263d973b0 ae1&nttl=2011010924409&toppos=1

http://www.bangladesherkhela.info/index.php?newsID=20430&pageTitle=details&editionID=1227

Night_wolf
January 9, 2011, 09:03 AM
mo rafiq is enough imo!...no need to give country money to foreigners when we have our own SLA legend

WorldCup11
January 9, 2011, 09:07 AM
I tried to translate the most important part of the article :

Shakib accepted “I could not bowl well in last few matches,for a while I was thinking that I need to work with my bowling. As coach Salahuddin was not available,I practiced with Jamie, though Jamie doesn’t understand Spin bowling well either”

At this moment Shakib feels the need for a Spin bowling coach, he said “As Spin is our most important part,a coach from home or aboard will help. Couple of problems can be rectified with the help of the coach, or by discussing with him.”

ahms
January 9, 2011, 09:14 AM
Help for those that can't read bengali text but understand bengali :

dhaka: ২৩ jon shrotar uddeshe onek kichhu bolechhen jemi sidonsho। bishbokaper jonno kibhabe egote hobe। anushiloner dhoron, ittyadi ittyadi। sob shune aadajol kheye mathe neme porechhen kriketarra।

bishbokap bole kotha। ekmuhurto helay noshto korar upay nei। prothom din ek ghontar alochona sere sobai anushilone byasto hoye uthen। aboshyo sobai nete chhilen na। shonibar jara dhaka primiyar liger myach khelechhen taderke pathano hoyechhilo oyet trening rume।

anekta oichchhik anushilon। mushofikur rahim byating korechhen। pesaroder niye kaj korechhen in panta। juliyan faunteno khanikta filding koriyechhen। mo. aashorafulokeo khub siriyas mone holo।

sobaike chapiye gechhe sakib al hasaner ekonishtho boling। adhinayok jipi-bisibi ekademi mather nete khubi byasto chhilen। sadharonto emonta dekha jay na। er pechone karono achhe। primiyar lige bhalo korte na paray kichhuta holeo chintay fele diyechhe oyanode র‌্যাঙ্কিংয়ের shirsho aloraundarke। adhinayok nijeo durbolotar kotha swikar korechhen,“shesh koyekti myache bhalo boling korte parini। onekdin dhore mone hochhilo boling niye kaj korte hobe। jehetu salauddin shar nei। jemike niye prjakotis korlam। jodio jemi spin boling atta bhalo bojhe na।”

ei muhurte ekjon spin boling kocher proyojoniota khub anubhab korchhen sakib। proyojonta beshi hoy border kormokortader sange kotha boloteo raji achhen। bolochhilen,“jehetu spin amader sobcheye guruttopurno angsho, deshi athoba bideshi ekjon koch hole bhalo hoy। du’ekta kotha bolle shomosyagulo dekhle khubi kaje debe।”

adhinayok sakib shudhu bishbokaper netritto deben na। puro ek bochhor bangladosh doler kriketer sange otoprotobhabe joriye thakben। sejonyo sotirtho kriketaroder sange sakiber jogajog ager cheye ektu beshi hoya khubi joruri। jodio anushiloner prothom din sohoyatrider sange temon alochona hoyni। aboshyo sobar sange age pore jogajog thakay anushthanik aalochonar khub ekta proyojonobodh korenni sakib।

bishbokaper baki achhe ৪০ din। bhalobhabe shanodiye neoyar etai upojukto somoy। jodio dhaka primiyar liger khela thakay tana anushilon sombhob noy। ete shomosyao hobe na bole mone koren adhinayok,“asole ajke prothom din hoy temon kichhui korini। anushiloner bishoy niye alochona hoyechhe। primiyar lig niye sobai byasto thakbe। tarporeo amra ekhon theke klaber hoye prjakotis korte parbo na। ekhane prjakotis kore khelar din giye shudhu khelbo।”

primiyar lige jatio doler protyeke kombeshi bhalo khelay khushi adhinayok। bishbokaper jonno ete bhalo hobe bole mone koren sakib,“ran koruk, uiket pak, sobai jodi bhalo kore tobe aatmobishwas thakbe। abar jatio doler pleyarra bhalo korchhe। ete changa theke bishbokap khelte parbe।”

bangladesh somoy: ১৯১০ ghonta, januyari ০৯, ২০১১

Sorry man, I can not make much out of this.

But I do agree, we need spin bowling coach. Name comes to mind is Naimur Rahman if he is available. Muhammad Rafiq is not bad.

WorldCup11
January 9, 2011, 09:57 AM
mo rafiq is enough imo!...no need to give country money to foreigners when we have our own SLA legend


I think Shakib is after an experienced professional coach. Does Rafiq coaches professionally? Being a good player and being an experienced coach are two different things. A professional coach is like an experienced teacher, who dealt with many students problem in the past and have answer ready for their problems, specific solutions for specific problems. All slow bowlers have their unique style, variations. Someone new in coaching area won't understand what Shakib wants from him. If Rafiq was a spin bowling legend then so is Shakib and Razzak, We are not looking for a legend here but for a good teacher similar to Jamie Siddons.

shakibrulz
January 9, 2011, 10:44 AM
Yeah he needs some coaching for sure. Or they can appoint someone as consultant imo (except Ashley giles). He's the most talented BD spinner ever, but with some variations in his armory he can be unplayable.

Equinox
January 9, 2011, 11:22 AM
He just wants Salahuddin to join the team again. The players have some sort of connection with that guy.

Dilscoop
January 9, 2011, 12:36 PM
All he has to do is just go over to Rafique's house, and he will be more than happy to help him out. That's what players all around the world do. Talk to their legends. And Shakib is lucky to get one.

No board hires a SPIN coach and a FAST bowling coaching separately. All comes in ONE, in form of a BOWLING coach. Ian Pont. Why are you talking to Jammie about it? Talk to Ian. tard

amar11432
January 9, 2011, 01:01 PM
Shakib probably meant a professional spin bowling consultant.

rinathq
January 9, 2011, 01:59 PM
He just needs to hav few mistakes corrected and some tips.... He also needs to figure out to bowl more economical ...
A coach for couple of weeks should do the trick... Raffique is good, he is a very economical bowler and can teach him about it
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roman
January 9, 2011, 03:09 PM
Why cant they just keep Salauddin? He knows his spin bowling and players love him a lot too...

WorldCup11
January 9, 2011, 06:44 PM
Shakib places his demand (http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=169455)

http://www.thedailystar.net/photo/2011/01/10/2011-01-10__sps11.jpg
I HAVE A STRONG POINT: Bangladesh captain Shakib Al Hasan (L) shows something to a stone-faced coach Jamie Siddons (C) during a practice session at Academy ground adjacent to the Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium in Mirpur yesterday.Photo: STARSports Reporter

Bangladesh captain Shakib Al Hasan stressed upon the need for a spin bowling coach in the team, especially with the World Cup less than two months away, though head coach Jamie Siddons felt that there should be a limit to the number of coaches a team can have.

"We really need a specialist coach, given that spin is our main weapon. We have 5-6 spinners in the side, so it would be good if we had someone," said Shakib after first day of an early camp ahead of the mega event that begins on February 19.

The No 1 all-rounder in the world, who was acquired by the Indian Premier League (IPL) franchise Kolkata Knight Riders on Saturday, also explained his points after a relaxed practice session yesterday at the newly-laid Academy ground.

"He could at least work with us, help us and offer us a word of advice. These little things support us a lot," said the left-handed all-rounder.

"It would be good if someone is given the job permanently. It could be anyone, a foreign or a local coach. But I think, 40 days ahead of the World Cup, we could do with one," he added.

Shakib confirmed that he has discussed the matter with Siddons and will take it up with the board. "I have talked to the coach and I think we can talk to the board about this. We need someone, particularly when spin is such an important part of our attack."

But whatever the discussion between the captain and the coach took they did not reach a consensus. Siddons observed that the current line-up of coaches is good enough to handle the spin bowling department.

"Ian (Pont) is a spin bowling coach as well. He is a bowling coach, I'm a spin bowling coach and so is Julien (Fountain). We are not just batting, bowling and fielding coaches, we are all level 3 and 4 qualified coaches and we can work with the spinners as well," said the 46-year-old Australian.

"It would be nice if someone can focus on spinners with Ian (Pont) working with the fast bowlers.

"It would be nice if we can have ten coaches but you have got to draw the line somewhere. It doesn't work getting more and more coaches," said Siddons, who was spotted working on Shakib's bowling pivot and follow-through during Sunday's brief session.

The left-arm spinner reiterated his loss of bowling form, also adding that the 23 players called up for the camp would need dual focus. "I haven't been bowling well in the last two series. Even in the Premier League, I think I haven't done justice to my bowling skills."

"I'm working on it with him (Jamie Siddons), because (Mohammad) Salahuddin bhai is not around.

"Our main focus right now is on the Premier League. We will practice for the national team, but play on the match days for our respective clubs. From now on, every player will have the World Cup in their thoughts.

"They are also doing well so it is a plus for us. They will be confident in the World Cup if they score runs and take wickets beforehand. It hardly matters what cricket they play as long as they can take some confidence from it," said Shakib

Night_wolf
January 9, 2011, 11:59 PM
Jamie is right..they are level 3 and 4 qualified coaches..u dont need another coach

but i can see shakib's demand..he's bowling form is somewhat suffering and he wants to improve thats why he wants a spinning coach..nothing wrong with that..but i think he should consult ian pont..he is a level 4 bowling coach..if he didn't know spin bowling he wouldn't have been a level 4 coach..

firstlane
January 10, 2011, 03:51 AM
He just wants Salahuddin to join the team again. The players have some sort of connection with that guy.

This is what came into my mind when I read the news. Tamim likes salauddin as well and Jamie spoke about his influence over the team when bcb sacked him. Wouldn't be a bad move if bcb employs him until the wc IMO.

abu2abu
January 10, 2011, 05:10 AM
I remember reading not so long ago that Siddons himself wanted a specialist spin bowling coach and was lobbying for such a position with the powers that be at the BCB.

Now it seems he's gone full circle arguing that one is not needed. I think there's something more going on here. What's most revealing here is Shakib's comment on Mohammad Salahuddin.

I don't think a spin bowling coach per se is what they're after. I think he (and possibly some of the other players) want salahuddin to be part of the set up and this is the best way of trying to get that...

abu2abu
January 10, 2011, 05:12 AM
Just read Equinox's comment. Agree 100% with that...

Naimul_Hd
January 10, 2011, 05:32 AM
Masud Ahmed
২০১১.০১.১০ ১১:৩৭

Sakib, if you need something, please speak to the Coach and the Board first....media should be your least option...about spin coach, without discussion ( the coach and the board), you are saying it to Media, not wise mate....Administrator, please publish it fully...

Source: http://www.prothom-alo.com/detail/date/2011-01-10/news/122272

this reader has made a valid point.

tiger1000
January 10, 2011, 06:26 AM
Get Rafique

IanW
January 10, 2011, 07:43 AM
Thirded. Bring Rafique in - it will also send the right message to other good servants of Bangladesh cricket.

Alternatively, if Sakib really wants to make a point, he can hire who he wants with his Large Bag Of IPL Cash and train privately

beshideshi
January 10, 2011, 09:23 AM
Get someone like Saqlain Mushtaq for a week or two. with three very highly regarded coaches already in the panel, I don;t think we need a fourth. A consultant would be ideal in this situation.

cricket_pagol
January 10, 2011, 11:05 AM
This is what came into my mind when I read the news. Tamim likes salauddin as well and Jamie spoke about his influence over the team when bcb sacked him. Wouldn't be a bad move if bcb employs him until the wc IMO.

I agree, I think they want salauddin to be associated with the team.

Dilscoop
January 10, 2011, 12:17 PM
"Ian (Pont) is a spin bowling coach as well. He is a bowling coach, I'm a spin bowling coach and so is Julien (Fountain). We are not just batting, bowling and fielding coaches, we are all level 3 and 4 qualified coaches and we can work with the spinners as well," said the 46-year-old Australian.

"It would be nice if someone can focus on spinners with Ian (Pont) working with the fast bowlers.

"It would be nice if we can have ten coaches but you have got to draw the line somewhere. It doesn't work getting more and more coaches," said Siddons, who was spotted working on Shakib's bowling pivot and follow-through during Sunday's brief session.

Excatly. Now Shakib is just being very unreasonable. He is offending the coaches. He is pretty saying "you are not good enough for me" right to their faces. Call it overreacting, (I know Shakib is not like that), but this is what I was worried about, when they gave him the XI he wanted vs NZ. Soon he will have more demands.

Since he is tagging Ian Pont as FAST bowling coach, instead of a BOWLING coach, which he is, soon Rasel will want a SLOW or MORA bowling coach because he can't make the cut with Ian Pont. Shahadat will want a pie-chucker coach, because Ian Pont is not good enough to teach him how to chuck pie with a gross grunt. Rahim will need a keeping coach, because JF is a FIELDING coach. Riyad and Naeem will need a slogger coach, because JS made them very slow and "technical".

These players just need to shut up and hit the nets! Like I said if Shakib has issues, just go talk to Rafique. Shane Warne is always open to new spinners that come and go in Aus team. But he is not hired as a coach. Wasim Akram always helps and talks to the young Pak bowlers, even though they have Waqar as their coach. Ex players are always more than happy to help the current players.

LBW103
January 10, 2011, 12:18 PM
I agree, I think they want salauddin to be associated with the team.

Does Salauddin want to be associated with the team though? Has anyone asked if he wants the job?

tkandi4
January 10, 2011, 02:20 PM
Why not hire Salauddin as a short term coach? Players love and respect him. JS also likes him. You could pay him 1 or 1.5 lakh. That would be a small change for BCB.

LateCut
January 10, 2011, 02:37 PM
Shakib needs a silly-mood-off fielding coach.

Murad
January 10, 2011, 02:38 PM
Why not hire Salauddin as a short term coach? Players love and respect him. JS also likes him. You could pay him 1 or 1.5 lakh. That would be a small change for BCB.

He is already hired. He is in charge of the BCB Academy.

Shakib demanding too much. Agree with Siddons on this. Too many coaches are not good for any team.

Dhakablues
January 10, 2011, 03:39 PM
It wouldnt hurt for a conditioning camp by Rafique or even Shaqlain Shajib..Where was that thing we heard that Wasim Akram, Showrav Ganguly and other greats are going to come for short term consulting before the world cup? Or was that just a hoax?

rinathq
January 10, 2011, 04:10 PM
I dunt think Shakib wants a full time coach for spin, but just someone he can consult with and have him correct his mistakes!

But he is making demands these days! i guess for his own good though

WorldCup11
January 10, 2011, 04:44 PM
From Todays Ittefaq: (http://ittefaq.com.bd/content/2011/01/11/news0949.htm)

অধিনায়ক একজন স্পিন কোচের প্রয়োজনীয়তা অনুভব করায় তিন বিদেশী কোচের দৃষ্টি পড়েছে সেদিকে। গতকাল বিশ্বকাপের প্রস্তুতির দ্বিতীয় দিনে বোলিং কোচ ইয়ান্ট পন্টকে যেমন স্পিনারদের দিকেই বেশি ঝুঁকতে দেখা গেছে, তেমনি ফিল্ডিং ও প্রধান কোচও কাজ করেছেন স্পিনারদের নিয়ে। নিজেদের উইকেটে স্পিন সাম্রাজ্য ভেবে আবার অঘটনের শিকার না হতে হয় কোচরাও এদিকে বেশ সজাগ.

Translation: Captains demand for a spin bowling coach got attention of all three foreign coaches. Yesterday,on the second day of the practice session,Ian Pont worked more closely with the spinners, Similarly fielding and head coaches also worked with them. Coaches are well aware and don't want to be the victim of any upset taking our wickets are spin heavens for granted.

wiseshah
January 10, 2011, 05:20 PM
if shakib ask for a coach just give him, why asking question

make rafiq our coach

Nafi
January 10, 2011, 06:00 PM
Well razzak didnt learn drift/swing on his own, I dare say the coaches are doing their job, however should pay more attention, incorporate new things.

I would like a consultant to come in however on a temporary basis though.

Maybe shakib should try to seek out the coaches' help.

Nafi
January 10, 2011, 06:18 PM
Shakib needs to study some things

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_effect

LBW103
January 10, 2011, 10:51 PM
Shakib needs to study some things

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_effect

All spinners know the balls drifts the way it spins.. why does anyone need to complicate that?

Nafi
January 11, 2011, 09:47 AM
All spinners know the balls drifts the way it spins.. why does anyone need to complicate that?

I dont remember shakib drifting the ball in recent matches.

Habib
January 11, 2011, 09:54 AM
He is already hired. He is in charge of the BCB Academy.

Shakib demanding too much. Agree with Siddons on this. Too many coaches are not good for any team.

England say hallo.

Holden
January 11, 2011, 10:34 AM
Was there a replacement for Khaled Mahmud after he threw a tantrum and resigned from the assistant coach position? If not then surely Salauddin is the perfect replacement and would solve this problem that Shakib is having too.

I've read many good things from lots of players about this guy Salauddin, particularly from Tamim, Shakib and Razzak. We should hire people on merit and not just because they were an ex player who think they have a divine right to coaching positions (I'm talking about K. Mahmud, not M. Rafique). It would be nice to see the BCB use common sense and do the right thing for once.

LBW103
January 11, 2011, 10:58 AM
I dont remember shakib drifting the ball in recent matches.

Thats what he needs to work on.. but every spinner aged from about 13 years of age knows HOW TO was my point. It's just spinning it in the right axis reading the magnus effect reports.

Surely a 'world class' spinner can do at least that?

RazabQ
January 11, 2011, 02:35 PM
From what I've observed recently, Shakib is too square-on at release point. Perhaps he could work on staying side-on for a little longer, that should translate to the arm coming on a little less round-arm and enhance drift and bounce.

Tiger Manc
January 12, 2011, 10:27 AM
It should be noted that in the article he's not desperate for the return of Salahuddin, which makes me think he really wants a foreign spin bowling consultant, rather than Salahuddin.

wasi90lkv1
January 14, 2011, 01:00 AM
i do not think shakib needs a coach.

magic boy
January 15, 2011, 05:32 AM
just saw nTV news and there was a short interview of Mohmmad Rafique. He is willing & ready to be the spin bowling coach for Bangladesh.

WorldCup11
January 15, 2011, 05:42 AM
just saw nTV news and there was a short interview of Mohmmad Rafique. He is willing & ready to be the spin bowling coach for Bangladesh.

Thnaks for the news. I like Rafique since the day of our ICC trophy final 1997 against Kenya.

Can anyone here answer, what previous experience Rafique got in coaching to be selected/considered as National team spin bowing coach?

tiger_2007
January 16, 2011, 12:33 AM
I think that Shakib wants Salahauddin to be the spin coach. He is definitely worried over his poor form in the current DPL. With due respect, Rafique should NOT be associated with the current BD team. He needs to go to temper management or so. Once in Zim, he abused Bashar so much so that the team management (with Dev's permission) had to let him to take the next flight available despite the fact the oneday series was at 1-1. I personally want to have Salahuddion back in the squad as all players do respect him. Tamim praised Salahuddin so much for his contribution to improve his batting technique. Shakib was right for his demand. BCB should listen to him, at least for the world cup.

lamisa
January 16, 2011, 10:10 AM
that's good to know.say YES to md.rafique!!!

WorldCup11
February 9, 2011, 03:07 PM
স্পিন নির্ভর বাংলাদেশ বলে এই বিশ্বকাপে তাদের উপরই প্রত্যাশার চাপ একটু বেশি। তবে এই টুর্নামেন্টের আগে রাজ্জাকও একজন স্পিন কোচের অভাব বড়ই অনুভব করছেন। স্মরণ করেছেন সাবেক কোচ মোহাম্মদ সালাহউদ্দিনকেও । আফসোসের সুরে বলেছেন, 'আমি যখনি ওনাকে ডেকেছি তখনি পেয়েছি। তিনি আমার জন্য অনেক সহায়ক। বিদেশী কোচের তুলনায় দেশী কোচ থাকলে ভালো হয়'। রাজ্জাকের কথার সুরে বেরিয়ে এল রফিকের নামটিও। সালাহউদ্দিনের চাকরি চলে যাবার পর রফিকের নাম নিয়ে চারদিকে হৈচৈ পড়ে যায়। বিশ্বকাপ না এলে হয়তো রফিককে বাংলাদেশের স্পিন কোচ হিসেবে পেত বোলাররা। সম্ভাবনা এখনো নিভে যায়নি, বরং রাজ্জাক মনে করেন, রফিক হলেও মন্দ হতো না।

Source (http://ittefaq.com.bd/content/2011/02/10/news0384.htm)