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Zunaid
January 28, 2011, 03:05 AM
With each and every news item, our opinions about Siddons are getting more an dmore polarized. This has made me curious and I'd like to track Siddons's popularity here on BC by a sequence of polls I through the end of the WC. It'll be interesting to see how our opinion on Siddons changes with on-field happenings and off-field news.

Do look at Spitfire's October 2010 poll as a benchmark:

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=34571

Zunaid
January 28, 2011, 03:06 AM
This will close in a week. The next one will be just before the big game.

Oh, also made this private so that people can vote in confidence and not be vilified as a flip-flopper.

Nafi
January 28, 2011, 04:19 AM
We dont need a siddons poll every week. Seriously you should suspend yourself for such an idea.
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Zunaid
January 28, 2011, 04:25 AM
You, don't - but I do. Doing an experiment. Consider this the beginning of the Gallup 2.0 - The Kazi Org.

MohammedC
January 28, 2011, 06:32 AM
I am always a Pro Siddons

simon
January 28, 2011, 06:43 AM
khaichey,prosiddons tow kom na.

Sohel
January 28, 2011, 07:14 AM
Anti-Sid for a while now.

Roni_uk
January 28, 2011, 07:30 AM
always Pro Siddons

Raynman
January 28, 2011, 07:35 AM
I think Siddons has value as a test batting advisor but overall want him removed from head coaching job. So chalk me up as anti.

tanvir_nus
January 28, 2011, 08:20 AM
the world cup will really show his worth as a coach i guess... if we fail to qualify for quarter finals then i gez i will be anti siddons..... so sitting on the fence still....

firstlane
January 28, 2011, 08:53 AM
I think Siddons would be good as an accademy coach teaching pupils the basics or at best an assisstant coach of a national team helping cricketers on sepcific areas. As the head coach of a national team he sucks. He is a poor tactician and does not have the guts to do experiments.

Holden
January 28, 2011, 09:40 AM
I have always generally been pro Siddons (although I have had some moments of doubt) mainly due to the fact that he has a had a positive influence on Bangladesh's Test performance.
However I feel the jury is still out on his achievements in the limited overs version of the sport. The World Cup performance of the team will be the "acid test" for me to decide on his ODI achievements with the the team.
In particular I want to see if he has improved on the team's powerplay struggles. This has been a major flaw that Bangladesh has not been able overcome and has cost them, by losing games that were winnable at one point.
He has had plenty of time to work on this and would have had a say if he wanted to try new players in the number 6 and 7 batting positions, but he has chosen to stick with the same players that seem to struggle in this role. If these players fail and Bangladesh lose games because of them then it would be hard to maintain the support to Siddons.

Tiger444
January 28, 2011, 09:44 AM
I've pretty much always been on the fence with siddons even though in spitfires poll once I put that I was anti siddons. I think he's done a good job with the boys technique and seems to have a very good relationship with the boys. Especially in tests he's taught the boys to focus more on occupying the crease and try not to play loose shots. In ODIs also the team has been able to hold on to their wickets more often.

The biggest problem with siddons obviously is his strategies on PPs. 1st of all there shouldn't be any excuse on taking it in the 45th over. With wickets in hand and with your top order batsmen at the crease its better to just take it in 35th-40th overs. 45-50 overs is when you go for boundaries anyways. So why not just go for it before? Also players like riyad and naeem still just block despite batting at the end of the innings. Especially for them they have to steadily increase the RR. Its also not about hitting. They just need to take singles and occasionally hit boundaries. I just wish siddons paid more attention to this because it could really make our team a lot better.
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roman
January 28, 2011, 09:45 AM
I am pro Chi don

Kabir
January 28, 2011, 09:55 AM
This is no "yes/no" argument. While Siddons has done great to improve the team's batting skills and dedicated his everything to the team's well being (while undergoing treatment for cancer...or was it something else?), he has hurt the players' confidence in every occasion he could possibly do it.

I'm hoping he did all this to turn the players into real performers rather than "jhore boke" performer. If that's what he's aiming for, I guess it may work...but have to wait and see how well he does that.

I'm still "sitting on the fence".

Baundule
January 28, 2011, 10:38 AM
We will kill WI and the minnows on our own condition. So, all credit goes to Siddons for developing such a wonderful spin attack. Going for the Pro-Siddons option.

al Furqaan
January 28, 2011, 10:47 AM
I guess we can call you Dr Z(ogby)...

al Furqaan
January 28, 2011, 10:50 AM
after some thought...i voted for "sitting on the fence" because that most closely summarizes how i feel he's doing.

he's making us more competitive in the Test arena, but we are also performing at below or potential in ODIs. While his static batting lineup is fine for the grind of 5-day cricket, in ODIs we need a lot more dynamism based on oppositions, conditions, and form of players.

i just hope sakib will force mushy in at 4 and keep at ash at 6-8 regardless of what Sid might say.

Spitfire_x86
January 28, 2011, 11:50 AM
Third options have no place in a Siddons poll. I demand a new, "proper" poll :)

Zeeshan
January 28, 2011, 11:55 AM
This is no "yes/no" argument. While Siddons has done great to improve the team's batting skills and dedicated his everything to the team's well being (while undergoing treatment for cancer...or was it something else?), he has hurt the players' confidence in every occasion he could possibly do it.

I'm hoping he did all this to turn the players into real performers rather than "jhore boke" performer. If that's what he's aiming for, I guess it may work...but have to wait and see how well he does that.

I'm still "sitting on the fence".

Ditto. I was looking for neither but had to settle for "Sitting on the fence".

Siddons is.

Farhad
January 28, 2011, 01:13 PM
I think he's done an admirable job so far. The most important thing he's done is getting rid of the "one step in front, two steps back" quagmire we were in for quite a while. We (our batting at least) are continuously improving, and that's all I need in order to believe. Thats something I couldn't say for the longest time...

Yes, he's not the most well-rounded coach (he knows squat about bowling it appears), but those coaches aren't as common as you might think. Its hard to know more about bowling than lifelong professionals when you never were one yourself. And guess what? Most coaches were specialist batsmen in their playing days. Thats why we have Ian Pont after all. If we're to blame anyone for our lack of progress in the bowling department, blame Ramanayeke...

The one gripe I have about Siddons is his inability to take advantage of the Powerplays. We've lost multiple games because of that area alone, and I'm not sure he puts enough thought into it even now...

Dilscoop
January 28, 2011, 01:24 PM
Recently seeing all these threads on "Rahim batting at 4, Ash at 6/7 down the order as a finisher", I started to think that he's finally got his head out of his hole. But after finding out about his "New Solution", I can only bang my head on the wall, next to ATMR, and say 'oh whyy!'

ANTI JS - Only a SUPER WC can change my mind.

bujhee kom
January 28, 2011, 04:01 PM
Boss! Ke ki vote dilo ta kintoo bojha jabey naa...jana gelo naa!

Murad
January 28, 2011, 05:17 PM
I was the first person to vote in the poll. Anti-Siddons that is as always.

He is a good batting coach but sucks as head-coach.

irampool
January 28, 2011, 07:27 PM
Pro Siddons ofcourse :) Whatmore built the base, and he took us to the next level. I'm with him!

Dilscoop
January 28, 2011, 08:57 PM
There are few true pro JS and few true anit JS. Rest are fakers, moving around with the flow, going where the money is.

The only reason this flow is head towards JS love this time around because of our recent series. But we have to see that, our batting wasn't anything supper, and bowling and field won us most of the matches. Pont and JF added great amount of confident to the fielders and bowlers, that's why our regular batting show of 220 in 50 was good enough to get us 8 Ws out of 9. Until then JS's defensive style of play wasn't good enough to get us any Ws. We attacked with our defense and offense failed as usual.

Zunaid
January 28, 2011, 09:05 PM
Boss! Ke ki vote dilo ta kintoo bojha jabey naa...jana gelo naa!

jodi public poll hoto, shob cheat korbe ... wc-er majhe are pora abar korbo - dekhi amra ki dhoroner lemming...

Dilscoop
January 28, 2011, 09:13 PM
Now we will never know who are those "free-floaters"

BanCricFan
January 28, 2011, 11:03 PM
Jury is still out on Sir. Siddu.
He might be good as a batting coach but absolutely hopeless as a headcoach. In fact, I think his head is burried under the sand most of the time...hence, mathay taak ;) The proof that he is a headcoach sin cojones is the game against Pakistan where he decided not to chase a big target from the word go. Nothing illustrates a defeatist mentality more emphatically than the above. He cannot hide behind the pathetic excuse of being pragmatic. If an extended batting session for the batters was wished that could have been done at the practice ground but NEVER in an International match. We have stopped being an Associate team a long time ago. The team would have learned more going down fighting than surrendering to their fate like rank cowards without even trying. Not trying to be mean but there must be a reason why Siddons never got to play a Test match for Aus even with such an impeccable FC records.

Siddons always like to play it safe and he is definitely not your pro-active headcoach. Just imagine if Mushy and Mullah didn't have a good DPL who would he have touted as our potential PP players?...You guessed it right...Mushy and Mullah, of course! Problem-Solution-Reaction.

Does he even know about Riyads SR in DPL?! After all, he didn't know who Mohammad Rafique was. If BD does well at the World Cup it would not be because of Siddons; it would be inspite of him.

I wish him all the best though.

BagherBacha
January 28, 2011, 11:11 PM
pro bel matha.

BanCricFan
January 28, 2011, 11:18 PM
Perhaps, my last post a little too harsh. But I'm not a happy bunny when it comes to Siddons.

kalpurush
January 29, 2011, 12:34 AM
Now we will never know who are those "free-floaters"
Why do you need to know?!





I am a PRO Siddons, was and will be. :)

Alchemist
January 29, 2011, 12:49 AM
Anti-Siddons as always as a head coach.

After looking at the recent powerplay solution he came up with.......what can I say.....made me speechless about him.....what a true bogan he is!

kalpurush
January 29, 2011, 12:58 AM
After looking at the recent powerplay solution he came up with.......what can I say.....made me speechless about him.....what a true bogan he is!
Shouldn't we wait untill the WC begins and see how he/tigers doing? ;)

Naimul_Hd
January 29, 2011, 02:39 AM
Option C: Undecided (sitting on the fence).

My vote will go to Siddon-Ian-Fountain Combo. If i have to chose only Siddon, then i am doubtful (not necessary that would be "Anti")

lamisa
January 29, 2011, 09:33 AM
pro siddons throgh and through! :D

munnabhai
January 29, 2011, 11:05 AM
Anti-Siddons, after reading his power play theory.

Raynman
January 29, 2011, 11:15 AM
I would be open to Pont taking over as a head coach over Siddons. I think the big part of the NZ success goes to him.

Farhad
January 29, 2011, 12:35 PM
I would be open to Pont taking over as a head coach over Siddons. I think the big part of the NZ success goes to him.

I wouldnt go as far as to say that. The pacers only took 9 wickets throughout the entire series. Granted, they looked much improved in the short time he was with them, but crediting him with "the" big part of the success is overstating it IMO...

He played a part, yes, everyone did. That was the beauty of the series.

As to your point about offering Pont the head coaching job. I'll have to wait until after the WC to make up my mind about that, but I'll tell you this much - he's certainly a lot better in talking to the Media...

Banglaguy
January 29, 2011, 12:42 PM
One thing he has done so well in my opinion is sparked hope and faith and the beleif that they have talent. As shakib would say ''All is oil''

firstlane
January 30, 2011, 09:28 AM
Can we have a 'sissy poll' on Jamie siddons?
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Kabir
January 30, 2011, 09:41 AM
What's interesting is how everyone wants an improvement overnight. See my signature - this whole thing is a process. You can't judge the coach with an event or two. There has been progress in the batting. Yes we didn't do amazing with the batting durin NZ series, but we also played without our key opener! Bowling and NZ boldami won us matches.but among all this, there's something instilling beliefs in our players - which Siddons is responsible for.

lamisa
January 30, 2011, 09:57 AM
^^^well said,bro!

Dilscoop
February 2, 2011, 11:42 PM
Anyone watched 6th ODI between Aus v Eng? Anyone noticed how Aus shuffled their order around, accordingly? And it payed off big time.

JS doesn't have the gut to do something like that. He never did. He will always stick the same batting order, no matter what.

beshideshi
February 3, 2011, 12:47 AM
Jamie is a great technician and all the batsmen have become much better technically under him and the team has improved a great deal under him, but he is not the best strategist, lacks a bit of imagination and seems like he is unable to think outside the box. But still, due to all the improvements under him I will remain a pro siddons.

Mahir
February 3, 2011, 02:44 AM
Was hugely a pro-Siddons at the time Spitty opened the last poll... sitting on the fence right now - the main reason being: I don't really understand why he doesn't see that Mushy fits higher up the order and the batting PP needs a revolution. Our showing in the WC in these aspects will dictate my stance on him at that time...

bujhee kom
February 3, 2011, 03:16 AM
Ami jaakey ekbar mon diechi takey ajiboner jonnoi diechi, ekjon-ke mon die abar mon firiey nie newa jai naa....tahole bhalobashar mullo-ta ki? Manoos amakey ki bolbe?....Ami Amar Ajibon Siddons-ke bhalobasbo ebong support korbo!

Dilscoop
February 3, 2011, 03:14 PM
Jamie is a great technician and all the batsmen have become much better technically under him and the team has improved a great deal under him, but he is not the best strategist, lacks a bit of imagination and seems like he is unable to think outside the box. But still, due to all the improvements under him I will remain a pro siddons.

You summed it up pretty well. He likes to play it safe. He is a great batting coach no doubt about it. I hope BCB renews his contracts on that note. But either JS has to improve his game plans, or BCB has hire someone else to do that part of the job.

And with JF and Pont around, he should be able to improve on that.

ahnaf
February 4, 2011, 12:47 AM
Ami jaakey ekbar mon diechi takey ajiboner jonnoi diechi, ekjon-ke mon die abar mon firiey nie newa jai naa....tahole bhalobashar mullo-ta ki? Manoos amakey ki bolbe?....Ami Amar Ajibon Siddons-ke bhalobasbo ebong support korbo!

danikka..:p

Baundule
February 4, 2011, 03:02 AM
After the 4th of March we might need another multi-selection JS poll containing the word 'excuses'.

Rabz
February 4, 2011, 05:22 AM
Always Pro Siddons.