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Banglaguy
January 28, 2011, 04:28 PM
This is a bit more expanding than one of my other threads on the way the PP might play :)
http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=171811

There has been no shortage of confidence for the Bangladesh team ahead of ICC Cricket World Cup 2011 as the Tigers are heading into the mega event on the back of two impressive series victories over New Zealand and Zimbabwe at home.

But there is still room for coach Jamie Siddons to work closely, with some particular areas need to be taken care of during the preparations. The team had been struggling to fully capitalise on the batting Powerplay and without Mashrafe Bin Mortaza things would be difficult for the Tigers to get the thrust in the lower-order.

"We are very much aware of this fact and that's why we have some special plans to ensure improvement in this area. The players are practising how they can play over the top. It's actually a matter of swinging the bat well to get the maximum advantage," said chief selector Rafiqul Alam.

"We have a player like Sohrawordi Shuvo in the late-order who has coped with his bowling in international cricket but yet to show his abilities as a batsman. Shuvo has proved his ability as a batsman in the domestic scene as well as with the A team and we hope he will prove his worth also in the international cricket soon," he added.

Siddons however was not worried after the way Mahmudullah Riyad and Mushfiqur Rahim batted in the Premier Division Cricket League.

"If you've seen Riyad, Mushfiqur bat in the League, you see how well they worked through the Powerplays when the chance was there. And how they built innings and made consistent 70s and 80s. And they are two of the guys who will be batting in the Powerplays. We just gotta be smarter, play cricket shots and not slog, and keep batsmen in hand when we take it. It's not difficult," said a confident Siddons while talking with the reporters after a practice session at the cricket Academy ground yesterday.

Murad
January 28, 2011, 04:42 PM
This should me merged with the other PP thread you opened.
<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition

Zeeshan
January 28, 2011, 04:43 PM
This should me merged with the other PP thread you opened.

Posted via BC Mobile Edition

Why?

Murad
January 28, 2011, 04:46 PM
Whats the difference between this and the other thread?
<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition

Zeeshan
January 28, 2011, 04:49 PM
Whats the difference between this and the other thread?

Posted via BC Mobile Edition

Ummm....seperate news.

Does Banglacricket have to be a 'taxonomicaly' arranged file cabinet?

Banglaguy
January 28, 2011, 04:50 PM
Ummm....seperate news.

Does Banglacricket have to be a 'taxonomicaly' arranged file cabinet?

Lol, thank you bhai for understanding it's new news :)

betaar
January 28, 2011, 05:06 PM
Ummm....seperate news.

Does Banglacricket have to be a 'taxonomicaly' arranged file cabinet?

Yes, just like Ash arranges his undies based on different shades of pink.:-D

But seriously, this should be merged....may you can create 'OFFICIAL EVERYTHING ABOUT PP" thread.

Murad
January 28, 2011, 05:13 PM
Ummm....seperate news.

Does Banglacricket have to be a 'taxonomicaly' arranged file cabinet?

How is this a separate news? Last paragraph of this article and the previous one are almost the same. Whole article is about the same issue. Why both has to be in different threads?

BC doesn't have to be "Taxonomically" arranged file cabinet. Don't know what that word means anyways. But you don't wanna flood the first page with threads about every articles you read. You can post some of these articles in threads that share the same message.

Nadim
January 28, 2011, 05:15 PM
banglaguy bhai is on killing spree today.
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Zeeshan
January 28, 2011, 05:20 PM
How is this a separate news? Last paragraph of this article and the previous one are almost the same. Whole article is about the same issue. Why both has to be in different threads?

BC doesn't have to be "Taxonomically" arranged file cabinet. Don't know what that word means anyways. But you don't wanna flood the first page with threads about every articles you read. You can post some of these articles in threads that share the same message.

Then what's wrong with Cricket Thread or a P thread and dump all related news to Powerplay there?

Dude you are obsessive than Mr Monk in a waste disposal trunk.

Dilscoop
January 28, 2011, 09:02 PM
The fact that JS doesn't know the difference between Bangla Dom. League and Int matches after all these years is just shocking. Those consistent 70s and 80s he is talking about will be 30s and if lucky enough 40s in Int matches. Stop jumping over those performances JS. I hope you are just boosting our players by saying all these nonsense, but actually have an actual plan for the actual event!

BagherBacha
January 28, 2011, 11:04 PM
Mr Murad,

You are such an annoying character I have ever noticed.I hardly post in this forum, however, i visit this site almost 40 times a day, literally. I have read your post. you never have anything good to say for the fellow fans. only thing i read from your post is complaining abt other thread - this thread must be closed, must be merged to another one, why did you have to open this thread blah blah. and i have seen you confront other BC fans.

why dont you open few threads with some good content that will help us uderstanding our BD cricket better?

Murad
January 28, 2011, 11:28 PM
Mr Murad,

You are such an annoying character I have ever noticed.I hardly post in this forum, however, i visit this site almost 40 times a day, literally. I have read your post. you never have anything good to say for the fellow fans. only thing i read from your post is complaining abt other thread - this thread must be closed, must be merged to another one, why did you have to open this thread blah blah. and i have seen you confront other BC fans.

why dont you open few threads with some good content that will help us uderstanding our BD cricket better?

Holly Sh*t!!
You really visit 40 times a day? When was the last time I complained about a thread? I've never complained about the content of a thread, I'm 200% sure about that. This is such a lie!! You must be out of your mind boy!!

Anyways..Thanks for your compliment. Don't want to write anything else.:wave:

I hope the mods will take care of you for personally attacking a fellow member. And also for false accusations.

munnabhai
January 28, 2011, 11:48 PM
Mr Murad,

You are such an annoying character I have ever noticed.I hardly post in this forum, however, i visit this site almost 40 times a day, literally. I have read your post. you never have anything good to say for the fellow fans. only thing i read from your post is complaining abt other thread - this thread must be closed, must be merged to another one, why did you have to open this thread blah blah. and i have seen you confront other BC fans.

why dont you open few threads with some good content that will help us uderstanding our BD cricket better?

+ 1

BagherBacha
January 29, 2011, 12:26 AM
[quote=Murad;1261486]Holly Sh*t!!
You really visit 40 times a day? When was the last time I complained about a thread? I've never complained about the content of a thread, I'm 200% sure about that. This is such a lie!! You must be out of your mind boy!!

Anyways..Thanks for your compliment. Don't want to write anything else.:wave:

I hope the mods will take care of you for personally attacking a fellow member. And also for false accusations.[/quot

I didnt say you complained abt the content, rather you always attack the thread openers not to open such a thread, merge this thread to another, do u really need to open -

If you dont like the thread just dont post. you dont have to be rude to the new fans. by doing this we will be loosing our fan base here in bc.

whatever mods will decide, thats upto them? u were pressuring mod by saying that they will take care of me. please try to respect others effort.

Peace. Enjoy snow, and we are treating ourselves with sunshine and those stuff

Yes I do visit banglacricket more than 40 times a day. kaaj theke bashai ashar por to banglacricket a pore thaki sharakhon.

BANFAN
January 29, 2011, 12:34 AM
Mr Murad,

You are such an annoying character I have ever noticed.I hardly post in this forum, however, i visit this site almost 40 times a day, literally. I have read your post. you never have anything good to say for the fellow fans. only thing i read from your post is complaining abt other thread - this thread must be closed, must be merged to another one, why did you have to open this thread blah blah. and i have seen you confront other BC fans.

why dont you open few threads with some good content that will help us uderstanding our BD cricket better?

IMHO; That's not true to my observations.

roman
January 29, 2011, 12:41 AM
shobai etto serious keno vai? just chill bro..life is too short

kalpurush
January 29, 2011, 01:07 AM
Mr Murad,

You are such an annoying character I have ever noticed.I hardly post in this forum, however, i visit this site almost 40 times a day, literally. I have read your post. you never have anything good to say for the fellow fans. only thing i read from your post is complaining abt other thread - this thread must be closed, must be merged to another one, why did you have to open this thread blah blah. and i have seen you confront other BC fans.

why dont you open few threads with some good content that will help us uderstanding our BD cricket better?

+ 1

IMHO; That's not true to my observations.
Murad might have suggested to merge with another thread or said there is another thread about the same topic but never seen him attacking other fellow BC member personally IMHO. Please do not take things personally bro :)

Rajput
January 29, 2011, 01:15 AM
Today Pakistan scored 126 runs in last 10 overs including 5 overs of batting pp.Umer akmal,Afridi and Razzaq make one of the best combinations of power hitting.Watch out for them in WC.
<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition

Dhakablues
January 31, 2011, 07:59 PM
And this is what our Batting Powerplay player, Riad, has to say about his perspective of the situation:

[বাংলা]'দেখুন, মাঠে নেমেই হাত খুলে চার-ছয় মারতে হয় যেটি আমার একদম পছন্দ নয়। এটি সত্যি ব্যাটিং আমার একটু ধীরগতি, হাত খুলে মারতে সময় লাগে। তবে একটু সময় পেলে হয়তো বড় ইনিংস খেলতে পারি'।

Source: http://ittefaq.com.bd/content/2011/02/01/news0841.htm
[/বাংলা]

Murad
January 31, 2011, 09:35 PM
I didnt say you complained abt the content, rather you always attack the thread openers not to open such a thread, merge this thread to another, do u really need to open -

If you dont like the thread just dont post. you dont have to be rude to the new fans. by doing this we will be loosing our fan base here in bc.

whatever mods will decide, thats upto them? u were pressuring mod by saying that they will take care of me. please try to respect others effort.

Peace. Enjoy snow, and we are treating ourselves with sunshine and those stuff

Yes I do visit banglacricket more than 40 times a day. kaaj theke bashai ashar por to banglacricket a pore thaki sharakhon.

Always? Okay since you are saying I always complain..then show me just one thread from last 6 months where I complained. If you can show me one, I promise I will leave BC forever. Naile maaf chaan. :waiting:

I remember I used to make suggestions about merging the threads long time back.

Ar jodi 40 times a day visit korten, taile ekhane kono argument e hoto na. If you were a regulur you wouldn't say such things about me. I never disrespect the new members. Yes I do make suggestions. In this thread I made a suggestion. I didn't complain.

Now if you look around in other threads, so many people complaining about him for opening unlimited threads.

Murad
January 31, 2011, 09:38 PM
IMHO; That's not true to my observations.

Murad might have suggested to merge with another thread or said there is another thread about the same topic but never seen him attacking other fellow BC member personally IMHO. Please do not take things personally bro :)

Thanks brothers. onek din ondhokare theke hotath jokhon alo dekhe tokhon manush koto ki na bole.. ei beta/betir o mone hoi same obostha...

Baundule
February 1, 2011, 04:18 AM
I do not get any difference between this thread and http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=35440, which is also opened by you. 15 threads with a grand total of only 150 posts is kind of spamming.

al Furqaan
February 1, 2011, 04:40 AM
Today Pakistan scored 126 runs in last 10 overs including 5 overs of batting pp.Umer akmal,Afridi and Razzaq make one of the best combinations of power hitting.Watch out for them in WC.
<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition

pakistan are the absolute best PP team at the moment, India with pathan is probably 2nd in line.

on topic: seems like Siddons is basically saying "it ain't broke" and so refuses to fix it. shakib, please save us again, by forcing mushy to bat at 4 since you obviously have a better understsanding of ODI cricket than does our coach.

please no Ash at 4.

munnabhai
February 1, 2011, 05:29 AM
We seriously should have given this kid Shabbir a shot, seeing India and Pakistan demolish the power play overs Jamie missed a thing here and there, Mahmudullah himself said he doesn't like playing big shots at the start of his innings, he's not suited for that position.

We don't have enough power play hitters, Jamie's Mahmudullah-Mush plan will disappoint us.

Leg_Stump
February 1, 2011, 10:41 AM
Honestly, this is rather ridiculous & immature thinking by our head coach. Playing mushy-mullah at 6-7 places,respectively, may bring disaster for us in the WC. We could convey our msg to our beloved coach that PP overs in modern cricket means demonstration of power hitting, there's no place for 'tokatuki' or being steady. However, mushy should have played at no. 4 permanently until he fails and on a high note, i would like say that i , personally, don't like the attitude of this guy, mullah. We had to lose few games in the past year due to his 'tokatuki' or steay-state batting. If he continues his steady-state appearance rather diverting himself into transient during the PP, then i'm certain of the fact that we'll be nowhere near to qualify even quarter ( god forbids)! Ash & Naeem could be the possible solutions for PP crisis. Anyway, it would be fantastic if mod could arrange another Live n Exclusive discussion with JS so that we could share our views on PP & other perspectives regarding WC ..

lamisa
February 1, 2011, 10:43 AM
^^^oh yeah?so that he can hint an insult towards dhoni's wife?

Leg_Stump
February 1, 2011, 11:05 AM
^^ lol..why being sarcastic, are u ?!!

Raynman
February 1, 2011, 11:24 AM
Its a mentality thing.

I would rather risk being all out for 150 with an approach to try to score 250 rather than score 200 as a safety to avoid embarassment.

PP is not 4s and 6s. Its supposed to be the ability to loft the ball over the fielders to get runs with less risk. 5 singles and a boundary is 9 runs an over or a 45 run PP. Its simple math really.

If Tamim is on song and past the 15th over, take it then. If not having Shakib and Mushy (if allowed to bat at 4) can take advantage of it as well.

Siddons speaks of Mushy/Riad and the fans talk of Ash (based on the current available team). I personally think Junaid has promise as an ODI finisher based on his introduction to the international arena as a T20 player. SN can be the #3 replacement.

shakibrulz
February 1, 2011, 11:37 AM
Yeah agree with Raynman. The important thing is to try and score of each delivery, and look for the odd lofted shot. What really annoys me is the block block loft and get out strategy by riyad, naeem etc.

Take it when Shakib/Rahim is there. And I like the idea of playing junaid as a finisher. i would say Jahurul is a good option too given his keeping skills (which would let Mushfiq play as a specialist batsman).

Banglaguy
February 1, 2011, 11:42 AM
We need to start to actually take the powerplay when it is not mandatory. We will have to try big shots anyway between 45-50 overs. But wasting a powerplay... Pftttt. Use it in 37, when someone is usually set...

roman
February 2, 2011, 04:00 PM
Looks like Chi Dons Realised that Riyad might not be a BPP option.

<FIELDSET>ICC Cricket World Cup 2011

The Powerplay riddle



</FIELDSET>
http://www.thedailystar.net/photo/2011/02/03/2011-02-03__sp01.jpg (http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/photo_gallery.php?pid=172642)slide show (http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/slide_show.php?nid=172642&type=Print)<SMALL class=fixedcap>Bangladesh cricketer Mohammad Ashraful (L) takes part in an innovative fielding drill while teammates Naeem Islam (C) and Shakib Al Hasan watch during the Tigers' practice session at the Zohur Ahmed Chowdhury Stadium in Chittagong yesterday. PHOTO: Anurup Kanti Das</SMALL>Mohammad Isam
Jamie Siddons should be slightly miffed by a comment made recently, but it is very likely, he already knows that Mahmudullah Riyad is not the big hitter his team needs down the order.
The right-handed batsman, after Monday's training at the Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium in Mirpur, admitted that he is not the kind of batsman who can go after the bowling as soon as he arrives at the crease. "I cannot start my innings by hitting fours and sixes. I need a bit of time to settle in and then go for the shots. If I get that little period, I can always do well," said Riyad, a frank enough admission from a batsman who is pure enough to bat in the top four.
From his lowly position of No 7, Riyad usually struggles to find the boundaries during the slog overs, and especially during the batting Powerplay. He averages 31.3 from 28 innings but with a strike-rate of only 72.8. Clearly it is not enough and even more understandable is the fact that Riyad is not the correct man to go into bat so late.
Regardless, the responsibility in the batting Powerplay rests with the likes of Riyad, Naeem Islam, Mushfiqur Rahim, Shakib Al Hasan and the bowlers, but none of them have so far really made the Powerplay count.
Like Riyad, Naeem too is a proper batsman and during his formative years, he used to open the batting. He moved to spin bowling and batting in the middle-order after his Under-19 days, so it is sometimes a wonder that he has somewhat transformed himself into a late-order hitter. Naeem banked on his ability to hit the big ones but he sometimes seem to be all or nothing. Out of his top three scores in one-day cricket, his strike-rate has been above 80 just once.
One might say that since they are batsmen, they should be able to bat anywhere and at anytime, but it takes a special skill to clear the in-field, find the boundaries and hit sixes.
Shakib and Mushfiqur too have to share the blame of not using the Powerplay properly. Both have joked recently that they are always getting out before the five-over restriction begins but they too know where they fail.
Slogging is generally an unselfish act, batsman requiring an adventurous spirit as he is always at a higher risk of being dismissed. It is definitely hard for a proper batsman to slog, knowing full well that a lower average would work against him. As a result, it has been the duty of the tail-enders but here too, the Tigers have been poor. Abdur Razzak hardly looks good for a hit while the potentially good Shafiul Islam and Sohrawardi Shuvo have been disappointing.
While the players have said on a number of occasions that they have done well during the Powerplay in Premier League matches and it has been seen almost regularly that the batsmen are being given extra time to try big hits, it is clear that coach Siddons is short on options.
If the problem was tackled more than a year ago, Alok Kapali would have been used then and by now become a major force during the Powerplay. But neither happened as the all-rounder failed to make a comeback nor has the team management done anything about the five-over restriction.
It can't be expected that any of the bowlers will find overnight batting talent nor that Riyad and Naeem will be fully confident with the big hitting duties.
Options for Siddons therefore are very few and it will down to creativity and motivation. The Australian must inspire something out of Shuvo and Shafiul to do well with the bat as both had shown some ability. Otherwise, Mohammad Ashraful could be used down the batting line-up to make full use of the Powerplay. Ashraful's fielding is good enough but if he is asked to bat after Mushfiqur, he will be required to fill in the overs as he would be replacing Riyad or Shuvo, but that might not be something the team management is confident about.
And it is here that Bangladesh might rue most the absence, through injury, of Mashrafe bin Mortaza.
While heralded for his bowling talents, Mashrafe is a more than useful lower-order bat who boasts a strike rate of 80 and above and can strike a few lusty blows when the need arises. But with Mashrafe out, the onus is now on the team management to think out-of-the-box and find a solution to this area.

Source: Daily Star

RazabQ
February 2, 2011, 06:08 PM
That's not Siddons having an epiphany - it's Isam calling Bull .. to Jamie's latest PP assertions :)

Eshen
February 2, 2011, 06:52 PM
IMO, we missed a golden opportunity during the Zimbabwe series - to try out something new for the third pp, such as utilizing Alok or Nasir at #7. But the selectors were more concerned about bringing Ash and Mash back in the squad, thus left no room for a wild-card entry.

BANFAN
February 3, 2011, 02:34 AM
Slogging is generally an unselfish act, batsman requiring an adventurous spirit as he is always at a higher risk of being dismissed. It is definitely hard for a proper batsman to slog, knowing full well that a lower average would work against him. As a result, it has been the duty of the tail-enders but here too, the Tigers have been poor.

Who can be better than Ash, when it comes to unselfish acts?

On the question of when to take PP.

1. We have seen on a few occassions, after the mandatory 10 overs, if the openers are playing well, the opponents (Fielding Side) are not going for the 2nd PP immediately, In that scenario, we can go with the PP to make the best use of it.

2. in other cases, when the opponents are continuing with 2nd PP immediately, if we still have a good partnership going or the players looked comfortable with the PP, we should immediately take the PP (16-20)

3. If we haven't lost 6/7 wkts before 40th overs, we should take PP when ever we have a stable partnership between 35-40th overs.

4. if we lost too many wkts (6/7) before 40th, we shouldnt bother about PP and keep playing to bat 50 overs, rathar than capitalizing on PP.

Jadukor
February 3, 2011, 04:18 AM
Who can be better than Ash, when it comes to unselfish acts?

On the question of when to take PP.

1. We have seen on a few occassions, after the mandatory 10 overs, if the openers are playing well, the opponents (Fielding Side) are not going for the 2nd PP immediately, In that scenario, we can go with the PP to make the best use of it.

2. in other cases, when the opponents are continuing with 2nd PP immediately, if we still have a good partnership going or the players looked comfortable with the PP, we should immediately take the PP (16-20)

3. If we haven't lost 6/7 wkts before 40th overs, we should take PP when ever we have a stable partnership between 35-40th overs.

4. if we lost too many wkts (6/7) before 40th, we shouldnt bother about PP and keep playing to bat 50 overs, rathar than capitalizing on PP.

from my experience of watching BD matches... we are most times 4 wickets down by the score of 100... so taking the powerplay early is quite impossible...

what i feel is that the value of each wicket reduces as the overs progress... that is why people can take more risks during the latter stages of the game rather than earlier because there is less price on each wicket if we are at the 45th over compared to when we are at the 10th over....

As we have seen in recent ODIs PP is a double edged sword... West Indies completely lost their way against sri lanka while Pakistan made NZ pay.... so waiting till the 40th over is probably the best option for us so that even if wickets tumble we can still bat out the 50 overs....

lamisa
February 3, 2011, 10:22 AM
Looks like Chi Dons Realised that Riyad might not be a BPP option.

<FIELDSET>ICC Cricket World Cup 2011

The Powerplay riddle



</FIELDSET>
http://www.thedailystar.net/photo/2011/02/03/2011-02-03__sp01.jpg (http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/photo_gallery.php?pid=172642)slide show (http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/slide_show.php?nid=172642&type=Print)<SMALL class=fixedcap>Bangladesh cricketer Mohammad Ashraful (L) takes part in an innovative fielding drill while teammates Naeem Islam (C) and Shakib Al Hasan watch during the Tigers' practice session at the Zohur Ahmed Chowdhury Stadium in Chittagong yesterday. PHOTO: Anurup Kanti Das</SMALL>Mohammad Isam
Jamie Siddons should be slightly miffed by a comment made recently, but it is very likely, he already knows that Mahmudullah Riyad is not the big hitter his team needs down the order.
The right-handed batsman, after Monday's training at the Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium in Mirpur, admitted that he is not the kind of batsman who can go after the bowling as soon as he arrives at the crease. "I cannot start my innings by hitting fours and sixes. I need a bit of time to settle in and then go for the shots. If I get that little period, I can always do well," said Riyad, a frank enough admission from a batsman who is pure enough to bat in the top four.
From his lowly position of No 7, Riyad usually struggles to find the boundaries during the slog overs, and especially during the batting Powerplay. He averages 31.3 from 28 innings but with a strike-rate of only 72.8. Clearly it is not enough and even more understandable is the fact that Riyad is not the correct man to go into bat so late.
Regardless, the responsibility in the batting Powerplay rests with the likes of Riyad, Naeem Islam, Mushfiqur Rahim, Shakib Al Hasan and the bowlers, but none of them have so far really made the Powerplay count.
Like Riyad, Naeem too is a proper batsman and during his formative years, he used to open the batting. He moved to spin bowling and batting in the middle-order after his Under-19 days, so it is sometimes a wonder that he has somewhat transformed himself into a late-order hitter. Naeem banked on his ability to hit the big ones but he sometimes seem to be all or nothing. Out of his top three scores in one-day cricket, his strike-rate has been above 80 just once.
One might say that since they are batsmen, they should be able to bat anywhere and at anytime, but it takes a special skill to clear the in-field, find the boundaries and hit sixes.
Shakib and Mushfiqur too have to share the blame of not using the Powerplay properly. Both have joked recently that they are always getting out before the five-over restriction begins but they too know where they fail.
Slogging is generally an unselfish act, batsman requiring an adventurous spirit as he is always at a higher risk of being dismissed. It is definitely hard for a proper batsman to slog, knowing full well that a lower average would work against him. As a result, it has been the duty of the tail-enders but here too, the Tigers have been poor. Abdur Razzak hardly looks good for a hit while the potentially good Shafiul Islam and Sohrawardi Shuvo have been disappointing.
While the players have said on a number of occasions that they have done well during the Powerplay in Premier League matches and it has been seen almost regularly that the batsmen are being given extra time to try big hits, it is clear that coach Siddons is short on options.
If the problem was tackled more than a year ago, Alok Kapali would have been used then and by now become a major force during the Powerplay. But neither happened as the all-rounder failed to make a comeback nor has the team management done anything about the five-over restriction.It can't be expected that any of the bowlers will find overnight batting talent nor that Riyad and Naeem will be fully confident with the big hitting duties.
Options for Siddons therefore are very few and it will down to creativity and motivation. The Australian must inspire something out of Shuvo and Shafiul to do well with the bat as both had shown some ability. Otherwise, Mohammad Ashraful could be used down the batting line-up to make full use of the Powerplay. Ashraful's fielding is good enough but if he is asked to bat after Mushfiqur, he will be required to fill in the overs as he would be replacing Riyad or Shuvo, but that might not be something the team management is confident about.
And it is here that Bangladesh might rue most the absence, through injury, of Mashrafe bin Mortaza.
While heralded for his bowling talents, Mashrafe is a more than useful lower-order bat who boasts a strike rate of 80 and above and can strike a few lusty blows when the need arises. But with Mashrafe out, the onus is now on the team management to think out-of-the-box and find a solution to this area.

Source: Daily Star

literally stabbing his finger at the problem...great article,isam :)

BANFAN
February 3, 2011, 11:26 AM
from my experience of watching BD matches... we are most times 4 wickets down by the score of 100... so taking the powerplay early is quite impossible...

what i feel is that the value of each wicket reduces as the overs progress... that is why people can take more risks during the latter stages of the game rather than earlier because there is less price on each wicket if we are at the 45th over compared to when we are at the 10th over....

As we have seen in recent ODIs PP is a double edged sword... West Indies completely lost their way against sri lanka while Pakistan made NZ pay.... so waiting till the 40th over is probably the best option for us so that even if wickets tumble we can still bat out the 50 overs....

PP is also about playing with minimum risks, like anyother time of the Game. The only difference is having a few more fielders within the infield. That is allowing the batsmen to play a few more shots to exploit additional space available in the outfield. A top order set batsman will do it with greater ease than our lower order. PP is not blind hitting everyball that our boys are currently doing. That's how we make our wickets cheap.

PP is also about momentum and comfort. If two guys are doing good in PP overs, and looks to be in good rythm with the mode of game, PP can be used/not used to prolonge/favour that comfort zone. If Tamim is on song at the end of PP2 (15 ov) why can't we continue with the PP from 16-20? He doesnt have to change his game, just add another 70-80. The biggest adavantage is, they will not be able to continue with their front line bowlers, since they cannot bowl such prolonged spells. Other lower order hitters will have their time in final overs to swing their bat.

We cannot take PP only for swinging bats. It can have huge impact in the game, if used tactfully and with the aim of achieving strategical advantages. Maximizing run is one of the major objectives; so using it with good batsmen is more sensible. Like 2 runs in each ball is equal to Two 6s in an over. But risk is much higher in hitting 6s. if he isn't Tamim. We have only one Tamim, So we may have to go for less of 6s and more of singles/doubles if we take PP after 40 overs. Which they can otherwise do even without PP. So it will be more sensible to give it to Tamim, at an early stage of the Game.

Banglaguy
February 6, 2011, 10:06 AM
Apparently the pp average is 35 runs so basically 7 per over. The plan mr fountain said is to score 5 singles and a 4 making it 9 an over, making 45 in the 5... good eh?

view360
February 6, 2011, 10:20 AM
In those days when the powerplay used to be decided by the fielding side , BD used to score quite well in the last 10 overs with the fielding restrictions well in place. However , the situation stated to deteriorate ever since the batting side have been allowed to take 5 overs of powerplay to the likings.
The main reason is psychological because during the powerplay even a lower order BD batsman wants to build up individual batting average regardless of the situational requirements. A World cup match will be the last place to focus on individual averages instead of reacting to the situation.

kazis2007
February 6, 2011, 10:41 AM
first four balls single and double and last two ball bang bang...........

Banglaguy
February 6, 2011, 11:43 AM
Does anyone know Suhrawadi's batting average in the domestic circut? I keep reading he's a good batsmen, just hasn't shown it at international level as of yet.

Jadukor
February 6, 2011, 01:30 PM
The main reason is psychological because during the powerplay even a lower order BD batsman wants to build up individual batting average regardless of the situational requirements. A World cup match will be the last place to focus on individual averages instead of reacting to the situation.
agreed... i think that's why i am a bit nervous about Mahmudullah and Naeem... will they take the risks required or go into their shells?

@BANFAN: Lets say we do take the powerplay 16-20... and lets assume Tamim is in good form and we are 90/1 in 15 overs... and then according to your logic tamim and Junaid adds 35 runs in 5 overs (at 7 per over) without losing a wicket... so we go to 125/1 in 20 overs... does that change the game too much at this point?...

now consider another scenario where we don't take the power play... and tamim and junaid adds 25 runs so we are 115/1 at the end of 20 overs and we go at 5 runs per over so at the end of 45 we are 240/5... so now we have 5 overs with 5 wickets in hand and a powerplay... so at this point we are firmly in control and can make the powerplay a game changer by going hell for leather ala afridi and razzak...

Banglaguy
February 11, 2011, 04:14 PM
agreed... i think that's why i am a bit nervous about Mahmudullah and Naeem... will they take the risks required or go into their shells?

@BANFAN: Lets say we do take the powerplay 16-20... and lets assume Tamim is in good form and we are 90/1 in 15 overs... and then according to your logic tamim and Junaid adds 35 runs in 5 overs (at 7 per over) without losing a wicket... so we go to 125/1 in 20 overs... does that change the game too much at this point?...

now consider another scenario where we don't take the power play... and tamim and junaid adds 25 runs so we are 115/1 at the end of 20 overs and we go at 5 runs per over so at the end of 45 we are 240/5... so now we have 5 overs with 5 wickets in hand and a powerplay... so at this point we are firmly in control and can make the powerplay a game changer by going hell for leather ala afridi and razzak...

I think these warm up matches are the most ideal times for this...

betaar
February 13, 2011, 12:23 AM
. Otherwise, Mohammad Ashraful could be used down the batting line-up to make full use of the Powerplay. Ashraful's fielding is good enough but if he is asked to bat after Mushfiqur, he will be required to fill in the overs as he would be replacing Riyad or Shuvo, but that might not be something the team management is confident about.

Source: Daily Star

Did Isam just steal the suggestion from here or am I just full of myself? :wave:

Someone mentioned in a thread about using Ash as #7 or #8 batsman and I didn’t think the idea was discussed enough to use him as a spinner who can bat in place of Shuvo?

I know some of you will kill me for bringing this up but Shuvo is not anything special. True he was out standing in one of the matches and bowled fairly ok in others, but to be honest, NZ was so subpar this series that I wouldn’t rate his success in this series as a yardstick to consider him for the WC best 11.

Instead, if we have Ash in #8 or #7 depending on match situation and give him the license to kill, chances are he will score some quick fire 30s or 40s taking advantage of the powerplay situation. Where as batting wise, Shuvo is just not international standard and his bowling being not so special, I see him as a mediocre player. And with Mahmudullah not able to hit at all, we have no option but to have someone in our team who can hit and has all the shots in the book to take advantage of the powerplay. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/ /><o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=I know it’s against common sense to use a proper (sorry I had use the word “PROPER” in relation to Ash :-p) batsman at #7 or 8 position but Ash is anything but. He’s got the technique, the know hows, but he doesn’t know which shot to play. If he’s given the chance to hit out and is also used as a bowler, I think he will add more value than Shuvo. All Shak needs to do is use Ash and Mahmudullah as the fifth bowler and use them earlier part of the game so they are not under pressure right from the start. Once they gain confidence they will definitely serve well as the 5<SUP>th</SUP> and the 6<SUP>th</SUP> bowler. Remember, Ash started his career as a bowler……so why not ask him to be a bowling allrounder who can exploit the batting powerplay.<o:p></o:p>

Can you imagine knowing that we still have Ash in our disposal after losing 6-7 wickets? I know he hasn’t proved his true ability with the bat but he has the “what if” factor that plays on every ones mind, including the oppositions’ bowlers. And with a fit Mash back in the team, we can definitely make each and every powerplay count. So why not give this a go against Zim and see if it works?<o:p></o:p>

Banglaguy
February 13, 2011, 08:11 AM
Did Isam just steal the suggestion from here or am I just full of myself? :wave:

He did... He always steals mine :D

cricman
February 19, 2011, 11:33 AM
India: Viru and Kohil are more than set, 2nd new ball due what dpo they do? they Take the PP and proceed to sodomize the Cricket Ball and our Bowlers

Bangladesh: Tamim and Shakib are set what do you do? Nothing, Tamim Out, Shakib is Set, what do you do? Nothing and gets out to shot where Fielder wouldn't have been there if the PP was taken!

When do we take it? with our 5'5 Wicket Keeper and his lower order partners who have shown time and time again what their capable of in the PP

Siddons however was not worried after the way Mahmudullah Riyad and Mushfiqur Rahim batted in the Premier Division Cricket League.

"If you've seen Riyad, Mushfiqur bat in the League, you see how well they worked through the Powerplays when the chance was there. And how they built innings and made consistent 70s and 80s. And they are two of the guys who will be batting in the Powerplays. We just gotta be smarter, play cricket shots and not slog, and keep batsmen in hand when we take it. It's not difficult," said a confident Siddons while talking with the reporters after a practice session at the cricket Academy ground yesterday.

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

al Furqaan
February 19, 2011, 11:42 AM
yes, yes, and yes.

did i mention, yes?

reyme
February 19, 2011, 11:52 AM
India: Viru and Kohil are more than set, 2nd new ball due what dpo they do? they Take the PP and proceed to sodomize the Cricket Ball and our Bowlers

Bangladesh: Tamim and Shakib are set what do you do? Nothing, Tamim Out, Shakib is Set, what do you do? Nothing and gets out to shot where Fielder wouldn't have been there if the PP was taken!

When do we take it? with our 5'5 Wicket Keeper and his lower order partners who have shown time and time again what their capable of in the PP



:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:


Do we just have some of the dumbest management in the world? Who hires them?

Tehsin
February 19, 2011, 02:17 PM
Some of the decisions today really piffed me off. One of them is our inability to take the PP at the right time. End of 38 overs, Shakib got his 50 and Mushy has been there for a while. I reach over to my mama-in-law and my father-in-law and said, they SHOULD take the PP now. What do they do? nothing. Shakib goes out to a shot which would have otherwise been a four cause the fielder would not have been there. I am not a cricket genius and I am certain that I would make better PP calls then our captain/coach at the moment.

cricman - how much did the 5'1 Mushy pay you to make him 5'5? :)

Sovik
February 19, 2011, 02:50 PM
Who said we have to wait till 41st over. Why not 16th over if Tamim is still there. If we have wickets in hand, we could play big shots after 40 overs. Two set batsmen could have exploited the batting powerplay instead we waited until they got out.

We need to concentrate on the next match and correct this errors.

Dilscoop
February 19, 2011, 03:57 PM
It's makes me so angry to see how the management just sticks to the same stupid effing plan, over and over again even though it's not working out well for them.

Can't believe with 6 wickets in hand they couldn't cross at least 300, in last 10 overs. BS. We really need some alternative for Riyad and Naeem. They've LOST it. JS killed them. You don't try and make everyone into a genuine batsmen. He should've let them BE!

ammark
February 19, 2011, 04:37 PM
Some of the decisions today really piffed me off. One of them is our inability to take the PP at the right time. End of 38 overs, Shakib got his 50 and Mushy has been there for a while. I reach over to my mama-in-law and my father-in-law and said, they SHOULD take the PP now. What do they do? nothing. Shakib goes out to a shot which would have otherwise been a four cause the fielder would not have been there. I am not a cricket genius and I am certain that I would make better PP calls then our captain/coach at the moment.

38th over? You're wayyy too generous! I was crying for a PowerPlay to be taken in the 32nd over as soon as Pathan and Bhajji finished their dry spell, and Sreesanth got back in! Sakib's decision making here is/was crazy! He's the effing captain, he should have the balls to take on the PowerPlay when situation demands!

Tamim was set, Sakib was in and playing well! And instead of taking the powerplay, even after the new ball was taken, they kept hitting to the outfield and getting choked. Arre, if you're gonna hit to the outfield, then at least get the fielders out of the way!!!

napoleonIV
February 19, 2011, 05:22 PM
Tamim was set, Sakib was in and playing well! And instead of taking the powerplay, even after the new ball was taken, they kept hitting to the outfield and getting choked. Arre, if you're gonna hit to the outfield, then at least get the fielders out of the way!!!

Ditto. This was so damn frustrating.

Shakil_TX
February 19, 2011, 08:25 PM
Yup! I am sick and tired too watching Bangladesh not making the best use of the power play and I am afraid this is turning out be a trend and usual picture for us. Shakib should have taken the power play when himself and Tamim were well set.

deshprem
February 19, 2011, 09:41 PM
]It's makes me so angry to see how the management just sticks to the same stupid effing plan[/B], over and over again even though it's not working out well for them.

Can't believe with 6 wickets in hand they couldn't cross at least 300, in last 10 overs. BS. We really need some alternative for Riyad and Naeem. They've LOST it. JS killed them. You don't try and make everyone into a genuine batsmen. He should've let them BE!

its shakibs call to take/or not take the powerplay....thats what post 424 on the ian pont q/a thread says.

Dilscoop
February 19, 2011, 10:09 PM
^ I wasn't talking about the time, at least not anymore. I am tired of talking about that. I was talking about the players who plays for our lower middle order. We should've figured that out a while ago. The current group is out of form, so instead of having back-ups for to order why not have a couple of middle order back-ups as top order has been doing just fine.

cricket_fanatic
February 20, 2011, 05:38 AM
For God sake, someone please make BD management ie. Captain and Coaches, read this article in Cricinfo:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/501939.html

Naimul_Hd
February 20, 2011, 05:58 AM
Shakib was so reluctant to take PP that one point in time, people were shouting out loud for PP in the stadium. But he decided to take when it was too late.

Jadukor
February 20, 2011, 06:13 AM
well we heard from the coach already that the reason for not taking the powerplay is that we lose too many wickets... i just don't understand this thinking... other teams also take the power play when they feel the moment is right..some times it works sometimes it doesnt..but that doesnt stop them from taking it... so overtime the batsman also learn how to cope with it better and the team starts to lose less wickets... its called a LEARNING CURVE... If we never try how else are we going to improve in PP?

lamisa
February 20, 2011, 11:41 AM
we did lose a couple of wickets during the PP so that just goes to show je age nileo ekii kahini ghote jeto.now,atleast we didn't take the pp at the 45th over!

Baundule
March 2, 2011, 12:22 PM
Preserving the history:

Ireland beats England http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/engine/current/match/433572.html

When they took the batting powerplay at the 32nd over, the rrr was 8.47.
When the powerplay is finished, the rrr was 7.07.
This is what a sensible use of batting powerplay makes. Powerplay is not a jokkher dhon, it is there to capitalize on.

lamisa
March 3, 2011, 10:23 AM
we are not the only ones who suck at PP,good to know!

Zeeshan
March 3, 2011, 11:57 PM
Agree with Coach Pont about trying to take PP right after bowling PP in the first 20 overs. Then it'd be T20 match with Tamim feasting on more balls.

al-Sagar
March 4, 2011, 02:13 AM
Who said we have to wait till 41st over. Why not 16th over if Tamim is still there. If we have wickets in hand, we could play big shots after 40 overs. Two set batsmen could have exploited the batting powerplay instead we waited until they got out.

We need to concentrate on the next match and correct this errors.

i once opened a thread that if tamim going well we can take it even at 11th over.

yes 11th over. the batsmen has to make the call before the fielding captain that Batting PP is one. so 11-15 batting PP, the fielding captain take bowling PP when he wishes

lamisa
March 4, 2011, 09:56 AM
hehehe,age 50ovrs khela shikhi tarpor PP...

Fazal
March 4, 2011, 10:01 AM
hehehe,age 50ovrs khela shikhi tarpor PP...

I think they meant first 10 overs mandatory power play.

allrounder
March 13, 2011, 09:55 AM
More analysis of power play debate

"It is a reasonable assumption that, for it to be counted as good, a batting Powerplay must yield 50 runs. It would count as super for the batting side to achieve without losing a wicket. But the quick look at the numbers tells us the 50-run mark has been breached in only eight of the 43 instances of the batting Powerplay, and, barring South Africa against India, each of this has been achieved against the non-Test playing nations (which currently includes Zimbabwe).

Equally revealingly, there have been only eight instances of a team going through the batting Powerplay without losing a wicket, and on 19 occasions, teams have lost two or more wickets, and seven times three or more.

Different teams have adopted different strategies. Pakistan have been delaying theirs till almost the very end, and this has worked for them apart from their loss against New Zealand. They stand second in the list of batting Powerplay run-rates (9.82, which is behind South Africa's 10.18) and No.1 in terms of having lost three wickets during these periods."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/content/current/story/505991.html

Banglaguy
May 4, 2011, 02:40 PM
Well, I think our power play issues, may have improved but are still not good enough.