'Team devastated by performance against WI' - Siddons

[firstlane]

Jamie Siddons has said that Bangladesh are devastated and shell-shocked after their performance against West Indies. They were bowled out for 58, their lowest total in ODIs and the lowest by a Full Member in all World Cups, on a decent batting track. "Devastated. Everyone is still a little shell-shocked. Very embarrassed by the performance," Siddons said of how the team took the last Friday. "Disappointed for the public, but more importantly it's a World Cup, and we need to play good cricket."

That defeat was followed by unruly scenes on the streets of Dhaka, and if the officials' version - pretty far-fetched on the face of it - is to be believed, people wanted to attack the Bangladesh team bus but they actually hit the West Indies bus. Siddons said that the crowd in general has been good to them. "The public have been very good the whole time," he said. "They were disappointed after the last game. Everybody was disappointed. No more than the players. Public need to realise, and I think they do realise, that the players were the most devastated, most embarrassed, most upset by the result. They don't go out there to play cricket like that. We are very keen to bounce back from that performance."

It's in the best interest of everybody - except the authorities - to forget what happened on Friday night. And that includes the Bangladesh cricket team. Siddons spoke of the need to not over-analyse that game. "Certainly three or four dismissals were what I see in the nets everyday," Siddons said. "They were exposed in that game. The boys are working on them, they have been working on their faults for the last two-three years. They certainly came out under pressure, and played some shots that we know are our downfalls. We will work on them, we have talked about it, the boys have promised me that there will be an improved performance next game. Not much more you can say about 58."

Siddons agreed that similar mistakes were made in the game against Ireland, which they won thanks to a spirited show in the field to defend a meagre total. "We know what we are working on, we know what we have to do to play well," Siddons said. "It just fell apart that one day. Don't want to over-analyse. That will not get us anywhere. But we need to learn from it, and the players are aware of that. They need to change a few things. Stick to our team plans, which they didn't do so much in that match. And not even against Ireland. So they went away from what has been successful for us. For some reason."

Siddons said they had batsmen in the XI who can stick around and build an innings, as opposed to the reckless show they have put on in the two previous games. "Imrul [Kayes] and Imrose [Junaid Siddique] are the two players that are expected to do that. Mushfiqur [Rahim] batting at No. 4 is expected to do that as well. He has done it in Premiere League. He has done it before at No. 6. We have pushed him up to No. 4 to do that job, so those guys are there to do that job. Imrose was playing a lot of shots, I have spoken to him about that. That's not his role in the team. And Imrul Kayes nicked one earlier, which any opening batsman can do. As I said, this is the best 15 players that can do the job. There is no one outside that can do a better job.

So we stick with these players, and we make sure that they do better next time." Siddons admitted that their performance has left them short on confidence. "Still a little bit quiet," Siddons said. "The boys are still shell-shocked. They are sad by what happened by the performance we put up. I am flat. My confidence is a bit dented as well. Two days in, today is another day. We are back on the park now. It should all be forgotten. We'll move on. I don't expect anybody else to forget it, but we need to forget it and move forward to the next game."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/content/current/story/504517.html

[Nafi]

That was satisfactory response, seems like he knew what went wrong.
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[sar2005]

very smart response.

[Tehsin]

and therein lies the problem - Having to tell batsmen from a test playing nation how to bat. Those should be instinctive and better yet, coached in club/school level.

[firstlane]

Siddons knows how to speak to the media. Regardless of how good he is as a coach he has always backed his players. Also, in his tenure he rarely said anything that sparked controversy.

[firstlane]

and therein lies the problem - Having to tell batsmen from a test playing nation how to bat. Those should be instinctive and better yet, coached in club/school level.

I don't know how many years we have to repeat these things. Sigh

[amar11432]

and therein lies the problem - Having to tell batsmen from a test playing nation how to bat. Those should be instinctive and better yet, coached in club/school level.

Exactly, Batsmen need to play according to the situation. How hard can this be for professional cricketers. This top down, batsmen role-playing (anchor role and what not) has not been encouraging. We may get away with it with Minnows and lower ranked teams but this theory has been exposed and its wrong.

[rakib08]

Comments from Cricinfo

FanofBD: "@Adi,well said,but Bangladesh are also playing on weekends ( Friday is weekend here). "
That makes Bangladesh the Arsenal of cricket?

Yus: "Bangladesh and Arsenal? Young squad, cant win silverware, fold under pressure! Yeah i think so"

[Abirz]

Bulls##t!! If Shakib was devastated, why was he smiling like he just won the lottery at the presentation ceremony and at the press conference?!

[BANFAN]

Bulls##t!! If Shakib was devastated, why was he smiling like he just won the lottery at the presentation ceremony and at the press conference?!

Bangladesher Manush Lozza pele Hashe. Tai bhul kore onekei hashe lozzaye. Oneke etake miss interpret kore.

[Zunaid]

Bangladesher Manush Lozza pele Hashe. Tai bhul kore onekei hashe lozzaye. Oneke etake miss interpret kore.

That is very true. I did it too and that annoyed the hell out of my wife. We have since bridged that cultural divide.

Cut these kids some slack - they are kids. That's the problem too. They should be instructed to shut up and be given a notepad with a list of things to say.

[firstlane]

Bangladesher Manush Lozza pele Hashe. Tai bhul kore onekei hashe lozzaye. Oneke etake miss interpret kore.

Very true! I didn't realise I was doing it until my counsellor at school pointed it to me.
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[lamisa]

atleast someone here knows how to talk to the media...

[munnabhai]

"So we stick with these players, and we make sure that they do better next time."

Don't think we will see any change in the side.

[Fazal]

At-last Siddon came in-front of the fire and took some heat away from the players. Its better to be late than not showing up at all.

However what he is saying, it doesn't give any hope to the fans that things will be any better for the rest of the games, For example


"Certainly three or four dismissals were what I see in the nets everyday," Siddons said. "They were exposed in that game. The boys are working on them, they have been working on their faults for the last two-three years.

We will work on them, we have talked about it, the boys have promised me that there will be an improved performance next game.


If our players is making the same mistakes (that they did against IRE and WI), for last 2/3 years and still making it in the net, what hope do we have that they will now over-night fix it? So basically we should expect similar batting performance for the rest of the WC?



We will work on them, we have talked about it, the boys have promised me that there will be an improved performance next game.



Does thinks that the players intentionally under performed? I don't think so. If this is his game plan (i.e. player's promise) then that does not give me a better feeling that things will work out fine in the next game. I don't think players' lack of effort is the issue here, the game plan and implementation of the game plan is the issue here, besides fixing weakness (which cannot be done within few weeks anyway).





Also Siddon's response raised more followup questions. I hope at some point he will address to BCB and/or Press. Examples...




They need to change a few things. Stick to our team plans, which they didn't do so much in that match. And not even against Ireland. So they went away from what has been successful for us. For some reason.



At some point (may be after WC) we need to know why players are not following the game plan.

Are some players are repeatedly ignoring the game plan? Who are they? Are they punished some way to make a point?

Is the game plan not clear to the players? Is the game plan itself is flawed? Does the game plan take advantage of our players' strength rather than expose their weakness?

Is the game plan ever implemented in any real game, or just used on the fly in WC?

Is expecting another Eid day from Ash is part of the game plan?

Is expecting Naeem/Ryiad to solve batting PP was part of the game plan? Why you though it would work? Any track record to back it up?

Is not utilizing SN was part of the game plan? Why? What id is lacking that others have in the final 11?

Is bringing another additional batting all-rounder to strengthen the batting order (who last one year have a ODI Average of 10 and SR 60 and well known track record of inconsistency) is part of the game plan? Why you thought that will work?

Why Ash was brought into the final 11? For his batting? For his SR? How you justify that considering his last one year performance? Or is it his bowling? Then why he was not used as a bowler against IRE an/or ZIM to see if that plan works or not? Why suddenly using him as a bowler all-rounder? Or is his cheer leading capability? Can we effort a slot purely for cheer-leading?




Siddons said they had batsmen in the XI who can stick around and build an innings, as opposed to the reckless show they have put on in the two previous games. "Imrul [Kayes] and Imrose [Junaid Siddique] are the two players that are expected to do that. Mushfiqur [Rahim] batting at No. 4 is expected to do that as well. He has done it in Premiere League. He has done it before at No. 6. We have pushed him up to No. 4 to do that job, so those guys are there to do that job. Imrose was playing a lot of shots, I have spoken to him about that. That's not his role in the team. And Imrul Kayes nicked one earlier, which any opening batsman can do.



When was the last time Junaid played a innings-building innings in ODI? What makes him think Juniad can play that role regular basis?

If the game plan is to use Mushfiq at #4, why it was not used against ZIM to see if he can do it rt not? Now that the strategy failed so far, who should take the blame, the player or the game-planner?

What is the justification using Ash over SN or Ryiad or Shuvo? There is no track record to back up this game plan.

Why SN is still in the bench, what is the justification of that? We are struggling with our batting even against associate team? Why he is not in the game plan?

I see Rakibuls' name is ignored when he mentioned few players about innings building. Is his role changed?



As I said, this is the best 15 players that can do the job. There is no one outside that can do a better job.
why we didn't

After 3/4 years now we hear this core group is not good enough. And we hear we don't have any other players outside that can do a better job? Whoes fault is that?

It was Siddon's game plan to use smaller pool of players for last 3 years. So isn't it the flaws in his long term plan?

Even when new players were introduced and they performed, they were under-used or not given enough chance: example Jahirul.

There were other young players who were not considered in the final WC team for their lack of experience. Why we didn't tried them in last 2/3 years in real game and give them some exposure and experience to see if they could solves our holes?

Almost every team has some fresh new and young players in the WC team? Why we are so conservative and going with players, who (the coach himself is saying) are making same mistakes for 3/4 years and don't follow game plan?


Ultimately the buck stop here, Mr taklu Da... there is no hiding behind the players.

[thebest]

at least two years ago I wrote JS is good talker - a charlatan. This interview proves that. Mamu already how hollow his words are. If this is the best we could afford than let our own do it. He acknowledging he could not rectify the mistakes batsmen are making in last 2/3 years. Then why he is not resigning?

[amar11432]

At-last Siddon came in-front of the fire and took some heat away from the players. Its better to be late than not showing up at all.....

Ultimately the buck stop here, Mr taklu Da... there is no hiding behind the players.

Awesome analysis, Fazal for coach :up: lol. On a serious note, one point that stood out is that I do believe that game plan/strategy is being developed DURING the WC and the game plan varies drastically after each and every match depending on the result (almost like a knee jerk reaction). Should have worked out the kinks before WC but those wins against minnow Zimbabwe masked our weakness.

[mbaig1]

An outsider's view -

As an outsider, I do not see much development in the BD team as there should have been under the coaching of JS. BD gained few players but equally also lost a few good players.
Infact with the maturing of Tamim and Shakib, BD should have been a very potent force at home but for some reason development of BD team looks stagnant.

I think players are being assigned roles based on one or two innings which JS saw. The players may or may not be fit for the roles but they are assigned roles as innings builder or power hitter etc. Maybe such a thing can work in junior level, but achieving this thing in subcontinent at senior level would be next to impossible. Also it is not necessary that your best 7 batsmen have to play the game, rather you have to go for team balance. Only reason India persisted with Yusuf Pathan was the knowledge that world cup will be played in India and he can really kill bowling in subcontinent. If top 5 best BD batsmen can only bat at number 4, then you pick only one or two of those instead of picking all 5 and assigning them posistions from 3 to 7.

BD has to do serious thinking once the world cup gets over.

[rinathq]

So basically he is saying that he will go with the "winning combo" again!!!!
If Ash plays again and Nafees doesn't, I am not watching the game..... Siddons is simply plotting to retire seniors like Mash and Nafees by insulting them like this
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[munnabhai]

Please kick Siddons out and make Ian Pont the head coach.

[nadim 98]

"I'm devastated by Siddon's coaching skills"-Nadim

[Fazal]

Please kick Siddons out and make Ian Pont the head coach.

I don't think Ian Pont will work either. He also looks like "Dhori maach Na chukee Pani". And to me I have a feeling he complains too much. So when things will not go well, most likely will look for excuses.

I would like completely someone new as a new Head Coach.

And I am seriously questioning why we even need International coach for our national team.If our current players are not good enough to take advantage of foreign coaches, why waste resource there?

Rather divert that money to U19, and team A and have more matured program with even International coach(es). U19 players have more chance to rectify their weakness than our experienced national players who are making same mistakes again and again as mentioned by Siddons.

[taklima_naj]

Bangladesher Manush Lozza pele Hashe. Tai bhul kore onekei hashe lozzaye. Oneke etake miss interpret kore.

Yah, I was laughing since we have lost while was talking about the team with my bro, cousin, anybody. Ati dukho pele hasi pai. Though tears came in sometimes while talking about them.

[WarWolf]

Siddons already gave excuses to avoid responsibility considering possible BD batting collapses in the upcoming matches.

He is really a smart and intelligent person. He knows how to avoid blames. He did nothing to improve the team at all, yet he can skip the blame easily.

[Jadukor]

I am sick of hearing these are the best 11 players we have... I don't buy it... How can JS claim this when he hasn't tried any promising players from the league? how about Shamsur Rahman for example?... or Kamrul Islam Rabbi... or Fazle Rabbi?... how about ex ICL players like Nazimuddin? Why couldn't we give any new players a chance to prove their worth?

We have stuck to this mantra of playing the same 13-14 players over and over while the records of Naeem, Mahmudullah, Junaid, Roqibul have not been anything to become excited about... I want to know why we didn't take a chance like SA did with Imran Tahir, Whatmore did with Tamim but instead wasted a valuable spot in the 15 on Ashraful...

[Farhad]

I've always felt Siddons was a little lacking in the Media Relations department, but this was a good response...

[Nafi]

I will be furious if ashraful is still in the XI :hairpull:
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[Miraz]

Tired of listening to the same excuses since he took charge of Bangladesh. You should expect to see some differences after 4 years in charge.

He will be saying the same thing after 6 years if we renew his contract for another 2 years.

Performance speaks volumes, words are excuses.

[Murad]

So basically he is saying that he will go with the "winning combo" again!!!!
If Ash plays again and Nafees doesn't, I am not watching the game..... Siddons is simply plotting to retire seniors like Mash and Nafees by insulting them like this
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So it's all Ashraful's faults once again. Lol.

[1212]

Tired of listening to the same excuses since he took charge of Bangladesh. You should expect to see some differences after 4 years in charge.

He will be saying the same thing after 6 years if we renew his contract for another 2 years.

Performance speaks volumes, words are excuses.

The coach isn't the problem. It's the bangladeshi people themselves. All they do is know how to criticize but when you ask them for help they sit and do nothing. Maybe the cricketers would actually have something to play for if the country was making some investments into the cricket infrastructure. Maybe they would have something to play for if they weren't making peanuts. You want to blame the team first but look at the leaders. How could you expect for anyone to have respect for the country when the bums in charge do nothing but look after themselves.

[F6_Turbo]

Tired of listening to the same excuses since he took charge of Bangladesh. You should expect to see some differences after 4 years in charge.

He will be saying the same thing after 6 years if we renew his contract for another 2 years.

Performance speaks volumes, words are excuses.

Did you feel this way leading into the World Cup? What were your expectations? What was it about the previous 18-24 months, that led you to have these particular expectations?

I expected us to beat Ireland and the Netherlands, while getting crushed by India and South Africa, lose handily to England, and possibly put up a bit of a fight against the West Indies.

Now your turn.

[Jadukor]

its not Ashraful's fault... its just that if there was ever a report on "what's wrong with our batting" then his career would be the executive summary: poor shot selection, not reading the situation in the game, self absorbed and selfish, setting low performance standards, creative in finding news ways to get out etc etc....

[F6_Turbo]

I am sick of hearing these are the best 11 players we have... I don't buy it... How can JS claim this when he hasn't tried any promising players from the league? how about Shamsur Rahman for example?... or Kamrul Islam Rabbi... or Fazle Rabbi?... how about ex ICL players like Nazimuddin? Why couldn't we give any new players a chance to prove their worth?

We have stuck to this mantra of playing the same 13-14 players over and over while the records of Naeem, Mahmudullah, Junaid, Roqibul have not been anything to become excited about... I want to know why we didn't take a chance like SA did with Imran Tahir, Whatmore did with Tamim but instead wasted a valuable spot in the 15 on Ashraful...

South Africa didn't take a chance with Tahir, the bloke has played 1st class cricket in Pakistan, England and South Africa for around ten years...He has played close to 130 FC matches, and taken around 550 wickets.

South Africa don't have a hope in hell of developing a spinner of their own, so they waited and waited for him to be eligible for them, once that happened, he was always going to play.

I suppose he could have played for us, shame he fell in love with a Saffer girl, and became a migrant there, and not a Bangali girl :)

I do understand where you are coming from...but can you blame Siddons, he leaves out an injured, unfit, fat Mashrafe, and cricket fans go into meltdown...if he did the same to 'Prince Ashraful' he might have been lynched.

[Murad]

its not Ashraful's fault... its just that if there was ever a report on "what's wrong with our batting" then his career would be the executive summary: poor shot selection, not reading the situation in the game, self absorbed and selfish, setting low performance standards, creative in finding news ways to get out etc etc....

I know his performance is very poor with the bat but it's not his fault that top 6 are failing as well.

[Miraz]

Did you feel this way leading into the World Cup? What were your expectations? What was it about the previous 18-24 months, that led you to have these particular expectations?

I expected us to beat Ireland and the Netherlands, while getting crushed by India and South Africa, lose handily to England, and possibly put up a bit of a fight against the West Indies.

Now your turn.

yap, I felt exactly the same way leading to the world cup. You are new to the forum, most BC members know my stance on Siddons.

I do not think he is the right man for us. He never took any responsibility since his arrival, he is very good in passing the bucks.

Other professional coaches would have achieved lot better with current buch of players..

That's my opinion.

[Abirz]

As I said, this is the best 15 players that can do the job. There is no one outside that can do a better job.

So we stick with these players, and we make sure that they do better next time."

I completely disagree with the coach making such statements, there is already no sense of competition within the team so everyone takes their spot for granted coz they think that even if they fail they wont be axed becoz they're the best we've got.

And the coach saying this makes it worse, he should always push them to perform, not say these things which make the players feel that even if we fail a 100 times "there is no one outside that can do better" and the coach will always say "we stick with these players", unfortunately that's how our players think mentally now, and its having a very negative effect on their performance

[F6_Turbo]

yap, I felt exactly the same way leading to the world cup. You are new to the forum, most BC members know my stance on Siddons.

I do not think he is the right man for us. He never took any responsibility since his arrival, he is very good in passing the bucks.

Other professional coaches would have achieved lot better with current buch of players..

That's my opinion.

Fair enough.

What would be your post WC scenario with regards to this team

Coach
Selectors
Captain

[allrounder]

What is wrong with us Bangladeshi who never seem to follow and execute any plan as instructed? Our players are not the best, they have weaknesses and lack basic cricket skills, so we play within our limits. The coach set up plan to make sure that the players avoid certain kinds of plays during matches, but the players keep ignoring the game plan.

[BanCricFan]

I was a long standing "anti-Siddons" before the WC, then during the Cup became a reluctant "pro-Siddons" and even subscribed to SidVision...and now I don't even know where I belong!

All the wheels are coming off. :( Looks like we will need a new coach and a captain after the World Cup.

[F6_Turbo]

I was a long standing "anti-Siddons" before the WC, then during the Cup became a reluctant "pro-Siddons" and even subscribed to SidVision...and now I don't even know where I belong!

All the wheels are coming off. :( Looks like we will need a new coach and a captain after the World Cup.


Why were you anti-Siddons? What areas do you think he let the team down in?

I'm not interrogating you, or asking for justifications, just wanting to know what the reasons are....

[Musfique]

Tired of listening to the same excuses since he took charge of Bangladesh. You should expect to see some differences after 4 years in charge.

He will be saying the same thing after 6 years if we renew his contract for another 2 years.

Performance speaks volumes, words are excuses.

I am surprised at your short sighted view. How can you say that the team hasn't improved over the last 4 years? Look at our performances in Test cricket. (real cricket) in that time, we used to lose within 3 days, now we reguarly fight for 5 days, that is what I call progress, something that Whatmore couldn't achieve in his tenure.

The team is getting better and playing proper cricket under Siddon's guidance. The unrealistic expectations are laughable. Gettingg rid of him after te worldcup would be the biggest mistake we can make. What we should be focusing on is how to reignite the high performance unit, so new players coming into to the national team has basic techniques.

[Shartaz]

Tired of listening to the same excuses since he took charge of Bangladesh. You should expect to see some differences after 4 years in charge.

He will be saying the same thing after 6 years if we renew his contract for another 2 years.

Performance speaks volumes, words are excuses.

Miraz bhai, just like you, I' not the biggest fan of Siddons.

But I don't think he's said anything bad here, he was defending the players and being supportive unlike diverting all blame to them like he usually does.

Also if you take a closer look at his comments about Stonegate, you can see that he's also trying to defend the image of the , usually great and well behaved, bangladeshi cricket fan unlike the other national coach (whose name I shall not mention) who leaked pictures to the media along with 'unflattering' comments.

For all the shortcomings of siddons as a head coach, I think he ought to be lauded for his genuine passion and attachment to our cricketers...

[Miraz]

I am surprised at your short sighted view. How can you say that the team hasn't improved over the last 4 years? Look at our performances in Test cricket. (real cricket) in that time, we used to lose within 3 days, now we reguarly fight for 5 days, that is what I call progress, something that Whatmore couldn't achieve in his tenure.

The team is getting better and playing proper cricket under Siddon's guidance. The unrealistic expectations are laughable. Gettingg rid of him after te worldcup would be the biggest mistake we can make. What we should be focusing on is how to reignite the high performance unit, so new players coming into to the national team has basic techniques.

Please don't be surprised. My vision towards progress is different than yours. My signature probably gives you an idea about my take on this.

You only play good cricket (or progress) when you either win (Test and ODI) or draw (Test) matches. Playing for respectable defeat is utterly disgusting and doesn't indicate an inch of progress in my book.

Team total irrespective of opponent score, team rules, playing for individual improvemnt regardless of macth result... these are the basic mantra of Sidvision. Sorry! I don't buy any of these.

[BanCricFan]

Why were you anti-Siddons? What areas do you think he let the team down in?

I'm not interrogating you, or asking for justifications, just wanting to know what the reasons are....

Well...back then, I thought Lala Amarnath or Mohsin Kamal were more deserving to be the Head Coach.:)

[napoleonIV]

Bulls##t!! If Shakib was devastated, why was he smiling like he just won the lottery at the presentation ceremony and at the press conference?!

That press conference you are talking about was after the Ireland match, NOT after the WI match. However, our journalists who made that clip certainly wanted to give that impression that it was after the WI match, and judging from your comment, they have surely succeeded.

[munnabhai]

That press conference you are talking about was after the Ireland match, NOT after the WI match. However, our journalists who made that clip certainly wanted to give that impression that it was after the WI match, and judging from your comment, they have surely succeeded.

How can you be so sure? Prove it

[napoleonIV]

How can you be so sure? Prove it

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=176547

From that article:

At the press conference following the Ireland match, when asked, perhaps a bit naively, why they had gotten out to bad shots in their innings, Shakib's answer had some of the assembled press, who were only too relieved with the win in stitches, and others gobsmacked. "Because we wanted to get out. Because we felt it would be good for the team if we got out, and because we heard the lunch was good and we wanted to have a bite," said the Bangladesh captain.

[munnabhai]

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=176547

From that article:

At the press conference following the Ireland match, when asked, perhaps a bit naively, why they had gotten out to bad shots in their innings, Shakib's answer had some of the assembled press, who were only too relieved with the win in stitches, and others gobsmacked. "Because we wanted to get out. Because we felt it would be good for the team if we got out, and because we heard the lunch was good and we wanted to have a bite," said the Bangladesh captain.

"It was a bad day for our cricket as we played poor cricket in the middle. It was definitely the worst day in my cricket career also, but you never know things can get even worse in future." - This is what he said after the West Indies match.

Thanks for the clarification.