Tamim Solution?

[LBW103]

If you have been watching the WC and other ODI's running up to this you will have noticed how Tamim cannot bat for very long. Bish, bash, bish and out. Recently he's been out for ducks and this is his third in 6 matches. His average is around 29 or 30, which is low for an opening batsman.

Why not open with SN and Imrul and have Tamim come in at 4 or 5? With SN and Imrul against NZ, they did pretty well as a pairing when Tamim was out injured. SN shows he can hit and also bat for a long time as can Imrul. Both are capable of scoring 100s.

The reason Tamim has been so effective (but not at all consistent) is he bats like a pinch hitter rather than a classy opening batsman. So the PP1 is an ideal time for him to throw the bat'. sadly it isn't really working anymore.

If he wants to play shots, let him bat in the middle order and take the batting PP we have been talking about on here for ages, as soon as he comes in. Then he can bat like normal AFTER we have had a solid start from SN, Imrul and Junaed.

It will give the line up a boost in the middle when we really need it and have been failing, thus correcting two issues in one go.

anyone think it might be a solution?

[Nafi]

I dont think Tamim would do that willingly

[One World]

After Ash now Tamim??

[Night_wolf]

opening pair is doing fine other then odd matches..i'll not brake them

[acbizz]

Dont agree. It is not the time to experiment with the batting order. His scores in this WC are : 70,44,0,38,0. He cant score in every match.. He will come back strong against SA.

[roman]

Please leave Tamim alone. He just had a bad game and will bounce back strongly

[WarWolf]

I see no point.

[F6_Turbo]

anyone think it might be a solution?

How about, NO.

[LBW103]

Dont agree. It is not the time to experiment with the batting order. His scores in this WC are : 70,44,0,38,0. He cant score in every match.. He will come back strong against SA.

That makes his average just 30 again, not really acceptable for an international opening batter and someone who cannot bat for long as he gets out.

Just worries me he gets bowled a lot. For an opener he has no real answer to a swinging or moving ball. Steyn and Morkel are experts at that and then if we get past SA and qualify we likely to get Australia with lee, tait and Johnson.

[Musfique]

NO!

[acbizz]

"For an opener he has no real answer to a swinging or moving ball."
and he has excellent record in England where swing is the king :) Like others I say the same leave Tamim alone. May be you can concentrate on Asrafool.

[LBW103]

"For an opener he has no real answer to a swinging or moving ball."
and he has excellent record in England where swing is the king :) Like others I say the same leave Tamim alone. May be you can concentrate on Asrafool.

Not in ODI's, which is what we are talking about.

[Avik]

tamim is fine. he might be a bit too attacking or so. but we have a world class batsman in tamim, and i believe none of us want to ruin that trying to move him around.

tamim has a free license to go for anything and everything. and thats the way he plays. maybe he himself shud apply himself slightly more carefully. that shud do it.

[BANFAN]

Might Be .. if at all it should be tried after the WC

[WarWolf]

Tamim still averaging 30+ in this world cup. He is going through a bad patch. Just RELAX.

[WarWolf]

That makes his average just 30 again, not really acceptable for an international opening batter and someone who cannot bat for long as he gets out.

Just worries me he gets bowled a lot. For an opener he has no real answer to a swinging or moving ball. Steyn and Morkel are experts at that and then if we get past SA and qualify we likely to get Australia with lee, tait and Johnson.
Probably you forgot his performance in the last England tour. During early summer (which is ideal for seamers), he has ruled the English bowlers. Please don't judge a player with a short time performance.

How many BD players have 30+ average? He was averaging lower 20s only 2 years ago. He is improving the average which needs time.

He cannot bat for long yet he has scored a couple of centuries. Please check his stats carefully before making any comment.

[rinathq]

Except for the wickets against West Indies, if you notice, Tamim never "threw" his wicket away. he tried to bat sensibly and got out. This is what happens when u make someone like Tamim vice- captain. You put the only proper batsman, plus an opening batsman a vice captain, you put too much pressure on him!

[deshibhai]

One of the biggest changes in the BD team over the last couple of years has been a strengthening of the top order. Tamim and Imrul have played a large part in this. We now usually get starts that at least give us a shot at winning the game, provided the middle order follow up with decent batting. Between 2000-2008, our ODI win ratio against the top 8 teams was 5.5% (6 wins out of 106 matches). From 2009 to date, that ratio has risen to 35% (10 wins in 28 matches).

I'm sure most of us remember the days when the top order collapsed like a house of cards in almost every other match. We were often out of the game within the first few overs. Khaled Masud Pilot and others in the lower middle order were left fighting for a "respectable defeat".

The batting problem now is with the middle order, not the top order. Let's focus on fixing what is not working, rather than indulging in a knee jerk reaction to tinker with what is for the most part working well.

[cricadda]

he will be ok for big match.....not worry.

[RazabQ]

TIK's biggest problem is he's letting himself go. He needs to get in shape so that he can attack the singles more aggressively. He's too dependent on boundaries lately. The other issue seems to be a newly found weaknesses against off-cutters on in-seamers pitched on leg or middle. The last two bowled outs have been carbon copy of each others. I'd not move TIK from the opening role. In fact SN with his great game against the spinners is our answer to the middle order.

[simon]

Pola chaatgaya magar bhalo khele Dhaka te,most of his hundreds & other good innings came in Dhaka.
SO,don't worry,inshallah he will rock in his fav ground,and besides he usually comes back strongly after a "haash";)

[Ashfaq]

Tamim is incapable of playing long innings, eh?

Find out what are the longest innings in ODI and Test for Bangladesh. You'll find that if anybody knows how to PLAY, it's Tamim.

Our "Arm-chair Punditry" has destroyed players before. Don't even dare try that sh!t with Tamim.

[Nafi]

Just worries me he gets bowled a lot. For an opener he has no real answer to a swinging or moving ball. Steyn and Morkel are experts at that and then if we get past SA and qualify we likely to get Australia with lee, tait and Johnson.

Yes thats why he was able to get hundreds against an English test attack (that wiped out the Aussies) in English conditions. At Old Trafford as well

[godzilla]

send tamim at 4-5? WTF!
Hey i have a better solution for you ... why not clone ASH 10 more times and make a team of 11 ASH. Atleast 1/11 will give a eid innings with the bat and ball XD!

[allrounder]

Tamim has been slow with his movement to get the bat behind the ball. Today one ball went past the defense, the next one bowled.

Group A Pak, NZ, Aus anyone can take number 1 position.

(Pakistan can top the group by beating Aus, and SL beating NZ).
(NZ can top the group by beating SL, and Pak beating Aus).
(Aus can top the group by beating Pak)
(Aus cannot go below number 2 position and Sri Lanka cannot get number 1 position)

So Bangladesh will have tough opponents to play. Where we will play QF in Bangladesh or outside?

[Raynman]

Tamim has been slow with his movement to get the bat behind the ball. Today one ball went past the defense, the next one bowled.

Group A Pak, NZ, Aus anyone can take number 1 position.

(Pakistan can top the group by beating Aus, and SL beating NZ).
(NZ can top the group by beating SL, and Pak beating Aus).
(Aus can top the group by beating Pak)
(Aus cannot go below number 2 position and Sri Lanka cannot get number 1 position)

So Bangladesh will have tough opponents to play. Where we will play QF in Bangladesh or outside?

If its not vs. SL, our QF will be in Bangladesh. Not sure if we get to pick which one as there are 2 QFs being played. The initial schedule won't mean much as IND's QF will be in Ahmedabad and if SL is not playing IND, their's will be in Colombo

[Raynman]

Its not a bad discussion point. As teams face us now, their bowlers have studied Tamim and he becomes their focus. Same thing happened to SN where everybody figured out his weakness quite quickly.

After the world cup, we should experiment here and there to try to find that best possible line up. We killed Riyad and Naeem by leaving them at the bottom of the order for an extended period of time.

[amar11432]

If Tamims bad form continues then this should be tried AFTER the WC. Its too late now.

[munnabhai]

Tamim is one of our best batters, no one is denying that, but his fitness is a problem here so as his consistency. I agree with LBW103.

If we look at his last six innings including the warm up his scores look 0,70,44,0,38,0

After that 70, he didn't look solid in other matches, even that 70 wasn't that convincing. He has been getting out to straight balls, 3 times so far or going after wider deliveries which should be left alone.

It's too late to experiment now but maybe after the world cup.

This should be the line up:
1) Shariar Nafees
2) Imrul Kayes
3) Tamim Iqbal
4) Mahmudullah Riyahd
5) Shakib al Hasan
6) Jahurul Islam / Mushfiq
7) Junaid Siddique (power play solution)
8) Mashrafe Mortaza
9) Shafiul Islam
10) Abdur Razzak
11) Rubel

[Shehwar]

His 'bhuri' is the cause of all this! He needs to hit the gym!
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[Sohel]

Q: Solutions?

A: 1. Javed Omar Belim, 2. Mohammad Al Shahariar Rokon, and 3. Hannan Sarkar.

[silversurf]

Solution is not to change his position, is to change his batting style. Don't let him go with the words "Licence to play any shot" or "He always play like that". This is not acceptable. He is one of the most valued batsman in our team, he should understand the what team need from him and bat sensible. Use the gray matter in his head.

[WarWolf]

Solution is not to change his position, is to change his batting style. Don't let him go with the words "Licence to play any shot" or "He always play like that". This is not acceptable. He is one of the most valued batsman in our team, he should understand the what team need from him and bat sensible. Use the gray matter in his head.
He doesn't play like that. Look at his career SR, 79.90. Look at Sehwag's career SR, 104.05. Sehwag is a real license to kill player. Tamim normally doesn't rotate the strike and relies too much on shots. This is one of the problems.

[al-Sagar]

Q: Solutions?

A: 1. Javed Omar Belim, 2. Mohammad Al Shahariar Rokon, and 3) Hannan Sarkar.

lol

add MD. Ashraful back at opening or mehrab junior

[Shaan]

Tamim is fit where he is right now, no need to experiment on that slot, have seen enough !!

[Sohel]

add MD. Ashraful back at opening or mehrab junior

True. Didn't Rajin also open a few times? How could I forget him? Shame on me!!! I think I'll hole-up and flagellate myself.

[M.H.Rubel]

In my observation Tamim hardly change his batting style according to format of the game.He is doing good in test cricket with his aggressive batting style.He is not that much successfull as he should be in limited Overs.Does he have problem with taking singles?Does he feel pressure in limited overs when he fail to accelerate run rate?
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[LBW103]

At least a few of you are starting to get my point!

Tamim's average is hovering around 30 but that does not make a batsman 'world-class'. If you look at the world class batsmen they average 40-50, not 29-31. If Tamim cannot change the way he plays then why not let him bat in middle and take PP2? He will support the middle order and accelerate at the time we know we need to find someone who can.

There is no doubt he is a highly talented player with a great eye for the ball. So is Afridi.. so is Yuvraj Singh.. but Tamim needs to start getting 100s for Bangladesh and not quick 30s and out more times than not. We got to have someone smarter than a great slogger at the top.

I don't expect the Tamim fans to understand this. I am a fan if his too by the way. I just think if he is going to smash the ball in the air as his way of scoring or get out to straight balls, then we could utlise a more solid opener in SN and have TIK come in where he can really do some damage.

Anyway it was just a discussion point. I don't think we can afford to accept that all things are set in stone.

[WarWolf]

At least a few of you are starting to get my point!

Tamim's average is hovering around 30 but that does not make a batsman 'world-class'. If you look at the world class batsmen they average 40-50, not 29-31. If Tamim cannot change the way he plays then why not let him bat in middle and take PP2? He will support the middle order and accelerate at the time we know we need to find someone who can.

There is no doubt he is a highly talented player with a great eye for the ball. So is Afridi.. so is Yuvraj Singh.. but Tamim needs to start getting 100s for Bangladesh and not quick 30s and out more times than not. We got to have someone smarter than a great slogger at the top.

I don't expect the Tamim fans to understand this. I am a fan if his too by the way. I just think if he is going to smash the ball in the air as his way of scoring or get out to straight balls, then we could utlise a more solid opener in SN and have TIK come in where he can really do some damage.

Anyway it was just a discussion point. I don't think we can afford to accept that all things are set in stone.
Let's move one step at a time. At present we don't have any world class batsman at the age 22 in the world. Only Kohli and Umar Akmal can be thought to be close to be world class batsmen at similar age. Let's don't lose patience. Tamim will come good.

[MohammedC]

BCB should give him a all expense paid vacation to Malayasia if he scores century.
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[Zunaid]

Once we have stabilized the knee jerks, perhaps it is worth revisiting the idea. It is an interesting thought experiment for now and is not that out of the box as one might thing. We always here talk of pick the man for the role. Unfortunately, we are also constrained by not necessarily having multiple choices for each position, rather multiple people are competing for the a limited few positions. We have a plethora of opening and early order candidates and we do suffer from a lack of choices middle and later.

There are certain players who are given - they will be in the team - Tamim, Imrul, Shakib, Shafiul, Rubel, Razzak. Let's keep Mash on the side until he has fully recovered and revisit. Then again that is irrelevant to this topic.

Now here comes the big IF of this thought experiment. If Shahriar Nafees is truly back in play, having curbed his fishing tendencies and play as circumspect as he did in the last game, then he truly is a candidate for one of the open positions. So we have Imrul, Tamim AND Shahriar to pick for the first two positions. What makes this interesting is the assertion that Tamim CAN play in any position down the order and given his style is also equally suited at 4-5 and take full advantage of the PP overs.

A back-in form SN together with the solid IK can provide us a solid launching pad for Tamim to do what he is good at - a rollicking carefree innings.

It is an idea worth thinking through.

[zainab]

I am sure that it must have upset Tamim to get all those ducks, I am pretty sure that he will be a bit more careful after SA, because he and Imrul have to give a good foundation.
If BD bats first it has to be 300, because SA can chase it, If SA bats first , then restrict them to 250 runs.

[LBW103]

Let's move one step at a time. At present we don't have any world class batsman at the age 22 in the world. Only Kohli and Umar Akmal can be thought to be close to be world class batsmen at similar age. Let's don't lose patience. Tamim will come good.

I was responding to posters here who said that Tamim is world class. My point is he is not. and you have kindly just confirmed that :)

[lamisa]

kichui na?bhurita ektu komano

[shuziburo]

My 2¢.

TIK's technique/form appears to be off during the WC. He should spend some time in the net with Siddons before the SA match.
A player in his early 20's should not have a paunch! He should hit the gym and run in the field.
He should practice taking singles. Watch Amla, Strauss, and Shakib's video. If he learns to take singles at will, his SR should skyrocket to 100+.
He needs to practice hitting the bad deliveries only. Sehwag seldom goes after good balls and does not spare any bad ball. He has the capability to do the same.
Use his feet.
Dance down the track once in a while to disrupt the bowler's rhythm.

[M.H.Rubel]

Let's move one step at a time. At present we don't have any world class batsman at the age 22 in the world. Only Kohli and Umar Akmal can be thought to be close to be world class batsmen at similar age. Let's don't lose patience. Tamim will come good.

Thats the point.When i saw first he was raw with only some off side shots and limited shots.I can remember in 07 he used to go down the order wild swing no connection.Now he is maturing and his average is going up as well.I dont see any problem now in test so i think he ll fixe up his limited over failure as well.
Thinking him in middle order is a bizar idea.He is one of the worst spin and old ball player in the team.
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[beshideshi]

One of the main reasons why Tamim has been successful is because he is able to clear the infield almost at will. He is masterful at clearing the infield and finding boundaries, in tests the field is usually more attacking and hence he is able to hit more boundaries and score more runs.

In ODIs, if he comes in at no.4/5, this advantage will be taken away from him. He will have to look for singles, rotate strikes and hit the odd boundary when needed. Even if you are the biggest Tamim fan, you will admit, taking singles aint his strongest suit. By pushing him down the order, we will force him to play to his weakness. I think he should stay at no.1, take advantage of the new ball, field restriction, and once we have 3 more world class batters to fill the top order, then we can push him down to no. 4