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KING-KHAN
March 20, 2011, 06:45 PM
As you all know that Pakistan vs Windies will be in Bangladesh.

I heared that Pak vs Eng warm up match attracted 25, 000 people however due to Bangladesh being out, some may have lost interest in the wc.

I was wondering of what will the attendence turn out be?? Will it be house full or not.

And whether Bengalis will be supporting Pakistan or not?


Thank you.

Mr-khan
March 21, 2011, 12:15 AM
of course not.
and please dont say the match was fixed if pakis loose this time..

Night_wolf
March 21, 2011, 12:24 AM
sadly Most Bangalies will support pak in that match thats the truth

dont ask why sadly because it has nothing to do with cricket

Roni_uk
March 21, 2011, 04:36 AM
It will be housefull for sure. Pakistani fans will be going to Dhaka plus most bangladeshi support Pakistan for some very odd reasons. Thanks god the match isn't on the 25th/26th March :/

zainab
March 21, 2011, 06:45 AM
I dont think that it will be a full house, I am pretty sure that no one will be supporting the Windians after the thrashing they gave BD, also, the way they threw away the match against England, thus ensuring that BD was knocked out from the QF. Also, a lot of Bangladeshis hate the Pakistanis.
Two hated teams, why would people waste their money?

Jonas
March 21, 2011, 06:59 AM
So, I guess all the tickets have been sold out long ago. People were hoping to see a QF involving Bangladesh. But now that Bangladesh are out, a lot of people will decide not to go. Especially the SA vs NZ game may not attract too many people.

My question is, if the officials see that the stadium is largely empty, will they allow people without tickets in for free, or at least allow them to buy new tickets to watch the game? I'm asking this becasue I couldn't manage to get hold of any tickets for the WC, and I want to watch at least one game from the stands.

Tiger-ess
March 21, 2011, 09:15 AM
Not only there is a huge fan base in Bangladesh for Pakistan cricket team, but in this case I reckon there'll be an even bigger support AGAINST the West Indies team for thier part in our failure to reach quarter final. My prediction-Full house!

roman
March 21, 2011, 09:20 AM
Whats wrong if someone likes to support Pakistan cricket team? Please dont mix politics with sports. I may support Pakistan cricket team but that should not and wont make me any less Bangladeshi...( I am not a Pakistan supporter )

amar11432
March 21, 2011, 09:46 AM
I say half empty, I doubt many BD'is want to waste 8 hours after their own team crashed out of the WC. Mirpur is a Cursed ground for BD.

dolcevita
March 21, 2011, 01:13 PM
It will a torture for any bd supporter to go at mirpur ( home on BD cricket ) and support PK
WI or NZ ( 4-0 and they are here not we...)
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stuge
March 21, 2011, 02:45 PM
Strange : BD played pathetic cricket against WI and SA and you blame WI for it .

this is insane .

Asif68
March 21, 2011, 03:24 PM
The stadium will be full and for good reason, this match will surely be more competitive and exciting than the WI vs BD and SA vs BD match. I don't support Pakistan but there is nothing wrong with BD people supporting Pakistan, the Pakistani cricketers have nothing to do with what happened in 1971. None of them were even born back then.

Sovik
March 21, 2011, 04:41 PM
Windies will have support as they have good fan-base in Bangladesh

Nafi
March 21, 2011, 04:43 PM
Would have been fantastic if it was Pakistan vs Bangladesh, this was the one thing I wanted. I didnt even get that.

Ajfar
March 21, 2011, 08:22 PM
sadly Most Bangalies will support pak in that match thats the truth


What's so sad about supporting/liking Pakistan Cricket team?

Night_wolf
March 21, 2011, 08:36 PM
What's so sad about supporting/liking Pakistan Cricket team?

i said the reason had nothing to do with cricket didn't i?..and thats just My opinion..that topic doesn't deserved to be talked here..if u want to talk about it open a thread in forget cricket section

longGone
March 21, 2011, 09:05 PM
Full house against WI. couldn't made 20 runs and ask why? we beat England who did you beat? and you are in QF...

It is sad that we still have supporters who supports pak against bd and India against bd also... I know that I have seen them plenty...

Roni_uk
March 22, 2011, 07:00 AM
What's so sad about supporting/liking Pakistan Cricket team?

the fact that you are asking this question is just sad.

Naimul_Hd
March 22, 2011, 07:46 AM
^ exactly !

KING-KHAN
March 22, 2011, 11:09 AM
the fact that you are asking this question is just sad.

What has Pakistan cricket team got to do with politics??

What happened in 71 is regretted by all Pakistanis. It was the dirty politicians, military and has nothing to do with the general population.
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roman
March 22, 2011, 11:40 AM
I dont understand why we have so much hatred towards Pakistan cricket team? does this team has anything to do with 71? :) Do the general people of Pakistan have anything to do with 71? The answer is NO. It was their army and those Razakars who were responsible for the genocide in Bangladesh. I say hate those Razakars, hate those army officers, hate those blood thirsty politicians that were responsible for killing innocent Bangalis..As a matter of fact I do the same. But if I say I hate the Germans or I hate the German Footbal team because of Hitler, I am sure most of you will call me stupid. Isnt it? :)

Dilscoop
March 22, 2011, 12:11 PM
Between Pak and Ind people in Bangladesh supports Pak more, as far as I know. Pak used to be their team when they didn't have a team to support at the Pro lvl. But I've also seen people hate on Pakistani team for unrelated reasons, they are very mature people. :smh:

For me, I could careless. Ind v Pak is overrated. And those players did nothing, NOTHING to help the Indi-Paki relation. When they are playing, they should try to bring the countries and people together, bring some peace, but know, they act like regular crowds.

And between those 2 I dislike Pakistan team more, mainly because of their lack professionalism. They are a big mess. They are always on the news for the wrong reasons.

Ajfar
March 22, 2011, 12:36 PM
the fact that you are asking this question is just sad.

^ exactly !

I know very well about our nation's history, what Pakistan/Pakistanis had done to our people/land. You guys need to realize that just because I like to support pakistan cricket team, (Note I said cricket team) doesn't mean I'm betraying my country and whatever else you are thinking. Its freaking cricket, not war. Heck I'm not even a big fan of their cricket team but I want to see a Ind Vs. Pak semifinal so ya I will be supporting Pakistan cricket team for this match. So that makes me a traitor in your book? ha?

One time I photoshoped a Pakistani flag for one of my friend. let me guess that made a traitor in your book too?

Its a freaking game, that's all, nothing else.

Yameen
March 22, 2011, 01:49 PM
I dislike Pakistan cricket for other reasons i.e ball tampering, match/spot fixing, rashid latif, rudeness of the players, drug taking, rashid latif etc list goes on

Infact whats there to like about them? I have nothing against the nation or its people but why would anyone support their cricket team who are a bunch of druggy cheats?

Many Bangladeshis do support them sadly..most probably because they are our ''Muslim brothers'' ..think that says it all really..

roman
March 22, 2011, 01:55 PM
Many Bangladeshis do support them sadly..most probably because they are our ''Muslim brothers'' ..think that says it all really..

I think people like Pakistan cricket team because of Imran Khan and Wasim Akram. As a matter of fact cricket started to become popular in BD because of these 2. (Remember 1987 World cup?) "Muslim brothers" just dont cut the ice..

SS
March 22, 2011, 02:14 PM
My dear BC members can you please keep the discussions to the cricket topic. We as a organizer need to worry about good organizing at this moment as our team is out, so why not do something that is important. Enjoy the cricket.

munnabhai
March 22, 2011, 07:13 PM
I am supporting West Indies for the match, same reason as night wolf and roni_uk.

Tiger-ess
March 22, 2011, 07:51 PM
My uncle's friend supports Pakistan even when they play Bangladesh and he's Bangladeshi !!! he loves pakistan team that much :|

And can someone tell me about the Courtney Walsh story that has led to a lot of support in Bangladesh for the West Indies..Khaled Mashud briefly mentioned it yesterday on coverdrive but didnt elaborate!

KRider
March 22, 2011, 11:10 PM
me a bangladeshi. But Pakistani cricket team is awesome, especially team of the past. b4, BD supporters were like Pak >> WI >> India

I will support Pakistan. and mr night wolf is rong (colour) to the bone. LOL. Why he so upset ?

Night_wolf
March 23, 2011, 12:05 AM
^who told u i was upset??:wow:

Tiger444
March 23, 2011, 07:42 AM
I dont think that it will be a full house, I am pretty sure that no one will be supporting the Windians after the thrashing they gave BD, also, the way they threw away the match against England, thus ensuring that BD was knocked out from the QF. Also, a lot of Bangladeshis hate the Pakistanis.
Two hated teams, why would people waste their money?

Boy were you wrong. Just goes to show how passionate our fans are about cricket.

Rifat_02
March 23, 2011, 09:54 AM
The sad part is that our cricket crazy public dont have a cricket team they deserve.
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Night_wolf
March 23, 2011, 11:24 AM
The sad part is that our cricket crazy public dont have a cricket team they deserve.
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as Jaaved Jaffrey says in the movie Salaam Namste.."EK-Jactly!"

shakirshuvo
March 23, 2011, 02:14 PM
I'm a Bangladeshi patriot but I support the Pakistani team when we're not playing them. Why? They've always been exciting to watch (fastest centurians, fastest bowlers etc.), they're at their best when cornered, they derive their passion from Islam to a great degree (I can relate to that), most of them regret what happened in 1971 (most Pakistanis weren't even born in 1971 or before that), they're not shooting our innocent fellow citizens at the border.

amar11432
March 23, 2011, 02:20 PM
this match will surely be more competitive and exciting than the WI vs BD and SA vs BD match. I don't support Pakistan but there is nothing wrong with BD people supporting Pakistan, the Pakistani cricketers have nothing to do with what happened in 1971. None of them were even born back then.

:floor::floor::floor:

amar11432
March 23, 2011, 02:22 PM
What has Pakistan cricket team got to do with politics??

What happened in 71 is regretted by all Pakistanis. It was the dirty politicians, military and has nothing to do with the general population.
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Then Apologize for Gods sake and get off your high horse.

Dilscoop
March 23, 2011, 03:48 PM
So I'd say a great turn-out. Numbers have been great for neutral matches in Mirpur and in Sri Lanak. It's India where the stadiums were half empty most of the time, even during big games like Eng-SA, NZ-Aus!

The stadium will be empty during the Final if India doesn't make it. And who knows what will happen if Pakistan makes it and India doesn't. If Sri Lanka plays a neutral team in the final then it should be moved to SL. I'd want that if I were a Sri Lanakan fan.

KING-KHAN
March 23, 2011, 06:07 PM
Then Apologize for Gods sake and get off your high horse.

The general public, population is apologetic over the events of 71 however the govt doesn't. The govt is corrupt and not a true reflection of Pakistani ppl.
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Zunaid
March 23, 2011, 06:45 PM
I'm a Bangladeshi patriot but I support the Pakistani team when we're not playing them. Why? They've always been exciting to watch (fastest centurians, fastest bowlers etc.), they're at their best when cornered, they derive their passion from Islam to a great degree (I can relate to that), most of them regret what happened in 1971 (most Pakistanis weren't even born in 1971 or before that), they're not shooting our innocent fellow citizens at the border.

Definitely not shooting our citizens at the border. They did one better, they shot, killed and maimed millions inside the border. It was their "passion for Islam" that drove them to it. Mind you, I do not believe sins of the father should be bestowed to the children but despite protestations to the contrary many either do not yet know nor have come to terms with the magnitude of the inhumanity and depravity that they had wrought. An anemic proclamation of regret does not an apology make.

And with all that, I can still acknowledge Imran Khan as one of my favorite cricketers.
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Sohel
March 23, 2011, 07:46 PM
A status update on a Facebook page

Just two days before the black night of March 25 and we have thousands of Bangladeshis waving the same flag under which the genocide began. Sad.

My edited comments on that page:

That cricket team carries their flag, unlike a club team from there, and therefore also represents that country politically, fact!

Sadly, Pakistan, as a nation, has yet to officially acknowledge and apologize for its crimes against humanity and the Bangladeshi people, and has yet to offer reparation to the surviving victims of those crimes, the way Germany compensates Israel for example. In fact, Pakistan has gone out of its way misguiding the world about the truth, and deliberately failed to fulfill its obligation under the Simla Agreement by refusing to try the alleged war criminals in its custody.

It was not "just the military" but also the popularly elected PPP and all of the Islamist parties that actively carried out genocide, mass rape, mass torture and brigandage in the name of Islamic and national unity. VERY FEW Pakistanis protested the atrocities and MOST were upset by the fact that they lost the war. FACTS! READ! KNOW YOUR HISTORY!!!

All decent Pakistani individuals need to inform themselves of the brutal legacy of their government's crimes in 1971 (http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/) and before that, and then actively spread the truth. Hopefully such knowledge and resultant public pressure will eventually result in the acknowledgment, apology and reparations necessary to begin the long overdue expiation . Pakistan also needs to actively assist the Bangladeshi government in the International Crimes Tribunal underway here, rather than trying to subvert the process, while holding its own trials with regards to the accused in its territory.

Until that happens, unlikely in my lifetime, there are 4 things I'll NEVER do: 1) believe in religious supremacy, 2) hit a woman or a child, 3) vote Republican and BNP, and 4) support Pakistan, so help me GOD.

If it does happen in my lifetime, I may consider dropping #4.

To quote Rezaul Bari from that Facebook page:

the notion that "I don't think sports should be intertwined with history, religion or politics rather should be viewed on it's own merit" is untenable at the end of the day. Take the case of a Pakistan vs Bangladesh match. Who among us will view the match on it's own merit?

Untenable indeed within our historical context. We're not carrying superficial baggage due to some pointless little war centuries ago, and to imply that it isn't anything more than that, and we ought to just move on and enjoy the game is either stupid or cruel or possibly both.

This half-baked attitude reminds me of the fallacy in another cliché with regards to stoic objectivity, rather than human passion balanced with fairness in journalism. Anyway, the discussion is about a flag and what it means to us, not the cricket or how great some of the Pakistani cricketers are to cricket fans everywhere. I loved watching Zahir Abbas, Javed Miandad, Wasim and Waqar as I love watching Gul and Misbah now.

Again we ought to wonder just how many Holocaust survivors would have waved the unchanged German, in other words the Nazi flag, within 40 years of their liberation from death camps, in a country where the atrocities took place, just 2 days before the date commemorating the beginning of the atrocities?

I don't know what's worse, the heedlessness of the Bangladeshi urban petit-bourgeoisie, or the Bangladeshi war criminals and their misguided children still getting a hard-on for Pakistan and their brand of Islamism/Totalitarianism. SHAME!

From a Bangla blog. Can't read Bangla? maybe you should learn.

[বাংলা]কতোটা ঈমানী জোর থাকলে সাচ্চা মুসলমান হওয়া যায়, পাকিস্তানীরাই তার সেরা নিদর্শন। যে আল্লার নামে আধা মুসলিম-পুরা হিন্দু বাঙালি মেয়েদের ধর্ষণ করে করে পয়দা করতে পারে নি এক প্রজন্ম সাচ্চা মুসলিম, সেই আল্লার নামে এখনো তারা মাজেদের সাথে ফিক্সিং করে, ক্রিকেটের মাঠে খেলোৎসর্গ করে।

সাধে কি বলি, বাঙ্পাকিরা পাকিস্তানে হিজরত করুন (http://www.sachalayatan.com/bolai/38181)[/বাংলা]

al-Sagar
March 23, 2011, 08:50 PM
A status update on a Facebook page



My edited comments on that page:

That cricket team carries their flag, unlike a club team from there, and therefore also represents that country politically, fact!

Sadly, Pakistan, as a nation, has yet to officially acknowledge and apologize for its crimes against humanity and the Bangladeshi people, and has yet to offer reparation to the surviving victims of those crimes, the way Germany compensates Israel for example. In fact, Pakistan has gone out of its way misguiding the world about the truth, and deliberately failed to fulfill its obligation under the Simla Agreement by refusing to try the alleged war criminals in its custody.

It was not "just the military" but also the popularly elected PPP and all of the Islamist parties that actively carried out genocide, mass rape, mass torture and brigandage in the name of Islamic and national unity. VERY FEW Pakistanis protested the atrocities and MOST were upset by the fact tat they lost the war. FACTS! READ! KNOW YOUR HISTORY!!!

All decent Pakistani individuals need to inform themselves of the brutal legacy of their government's crimes in 1971 (http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/) and before that, and then actively spread the truth. Hopefully such knowledge and resultant public pressure will eventually result in the acknowledgment, apology and reparations necessary to begin the long overdue expiation . Pakistan also needs to actively assist the Bangladeshi government in the International Crimes Tribunal underway here, rather than trying to subvert the process, while holding its own trials with regards to the accused in its territory.

Until that happens, unlikely in my lifetime, there are 4 things I'll NEVER do: 1) believe in religious supremacy, 2) hit a woman or a child, 3) vote Republican and BNP, and 4) support Pakistan, so help me GOD.

If it does happen in my lifetime, I may consider dropping #4.

To quote Rezaul Bari from that Facebook page:



Untenable indeed within our historical context. We're not carrying superficial baggage due to some pointless little war centuries ago, and to imply that it isn't anything more than that, and we ought to just move on and enjoy the game is either stupid or cruel or possibly both.

This half-baked attitude reminds me of the fallacy in another cliché with regards to stoic objectivity, rather than human passion balanced with fairness in journalism. Anyway, the discussion is about a flag and what it means to us, not the cricket or how great some of the Pakistani cricketers are to cricket fans everywhere. I loved watching Zahir Abbas, Javed Miandad, Wasim and Waqar as I love watching Gul and Misbah now.

Again we ought to wonder just how many Holocaust survivors would have waved the unchanged German, in other words the Nazi flag, within 40 years of their liberation from death camps, in a country where the atrocities took place, just 2 days before the date commemorating the beginning of the atrocities?

I don't know what's worse, the heedlessness of the Bangladeshi urban petit-bourgeoisie, or the Bangladeshi war criminals and their misguided children still getting a hard-on for Pakistan and their brand of Islamism/Totalitarianism. SHAME!

From a Bangla blog. Can't read Bangla? maybe you should learn.

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shakirshuvo
March 23, 2011, 09:20 PM
Definitely not shooting our citizens at the border. They did one better, they shot, killed and maimed millions inside the border. It was their "passion for Islam" that drove them to it. Mind you, I do not believe sins of the father should be bestowed to the children but despite protestations to the contrary many either do not yet know nor have come to terms with the magnitude of the inhumanity and depravity that they had wrought. An anemic proclamation of regret does not an apology make.

And with all that, I can still acknowledge Imran Khan as one of my favorite cricketers.

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"passion for Islam"? The war was waged by a power hungry secularist and his drunken dog. They even destroyed numerous masjids in Bangladesh. The story is very much like that of Syria, Libya, Egypt and so on. They only use religion to mask their real aim. "Passion for Islam"? Those munafiks can't be passionate about Islam. However, the general Pakistanis can't be classified as one. Even today their munafik government is killing innocents in their own country (e.g., Wazirstan). Most Pakistanis that I have come across are sorry for what happened in 1971.

Rifat
March 23, 2011, 09:59 PM
my own thoughts:

there is no Nationalism in Islam. I support Bangladesh Cricket team(or any cricket team for that matter) because I like them, I like to see them Play Cricket, Simple enough Reason for me to be a cricket fan i think!

Sorry, If i offended anybody!

Rifat
March 23, 2011, 10:08 PM
other thoughts:

If indeed anything will go unpunished in this life, it will be fulfilled in the next life(ETERNAL).as Allah says in the Quran:


أَلَيۡسَ ٱللَّهُ بِأَحۡكَمِ ٱلۡحَـٰكِمِينَ (٨)

"Isn't Allah the most conclusive of all judges"(surah Tin/Fig, last Ayah chapter 95, verse 8)

I trust his Judgment and I will leave it up to him to punish criminals without contributing to any more chaos and pre-existing hatred; it will fuel more hatred and Mankind is very very weak, we are desperately running out of time! Indeed, Allah's punishment is More sever and more lasting

problem is this is a test of belief. because before death, this thought crosses our mind: Will we indeed be resurrected and brought forth in front of our Lord? will the promised day of Justice happen? for this reason, we humans want to see justice immediately. this is perfectly a fine trait to desire. however, do we have all the tools to promote true justice such that the punishment received for is EQUAL in amount with regards to the crime committed? do we have all the knowledge and wisdom to implement a truly just system in this world where even a little tiny misdeed will not go unpunished?


an example: person1 who committed 50 murders and get caught, person2 who committed 15 murders and get caught. both receive death penalty. do you think this is fair retribution?

perhaps, something to ponder upon!


by the way, for those of you who don't know, my boro mama fought in the '71 war and Alhamdulillah! he is still alive and well functioning today...:)

al-Sagar
March 23, 2011, 10:17 PM
ok this my story.

1992 word cup. i was only 10 years old. a student of class four. that was the first time i saw a Cricket World Cup. though my father claims i also watched some games of 1987 World Cups when i used to live in Manchester but i cant remember anything.

anyway in 1992 World Cup i had nobody to support particualarly. i watched all the games televised and was mainly interested about learning all the rules and aspects of the game and get to know different players thoroughly. and at the end pak reached the finals.

during the final i decided i will support the team that will win and be champions. and finally Pakistan won.

the next day my grandmother(Nanu) came from Faridpur. I asked my Nanu whether she watched the final and whom she was supporting. she told england. i told she is a loser and i told her although i was not supporting anyone particularly, i decided in future i will support pakistan. I saw Tears in my grand mothers eyes. i could not figure out why. but i figured out in two-three days.

in 1971, my grandmother lost one of his son. he was an engineering student. my grandmother somehow survived from being tortured. my grandfather had to hide out from the Pak military with her other sons and daughter. not only my grandfather-grandmother, most of the people suffered from this scenario. How can my grandmother who lost his son in 1971 can support Pakistan now ??? and also how can she hold his tears when she hears that his grand son decided to support Pakistan ?

i felt ashamed and i decided not to support Pakistan.

another story. i cant exactly say when it was but it was an asi cup and PAK beat IND in Dhaka. they were in Sonargaon Hotel. on of my uncle used to work there and he was asigned as caretaker of pak team. He was lucky to meet some of the Pak great players. He asked one of the PAK players about the support of BD ppl.

he answered "there are two kind of ppl in Bangladesh. one is those who were against the liberation war. they supported Pak in 1971 then and still supports Pakistan. another is those who took part in liberation were. they got themselves murdered, got themselves raped by Pakistanis and doesn't support Pakistan now."

NB: these are only my feelings expressed. i did not post this to force anybody to change who they support. who you support and why you support is up to you. i have no complains .u have ur brains to decide whats good for u. i have mine. SORRY IF I HURT ANYONE OF YOU.

israr_rafi
March 23, 2011, 10:39 PM
Funniest part about this whole issue is, most of us who r muslims get offended for being called terrorists by many in foreign countries. we try to explain it to them that those SOME so called muslims r terrorists...NOT ALL of us r bad....and yet many of us hate pakistan cricket team or anything to do with pakistan by using that exact excuse. since SOME pakistanis committed genocide in 71, it makes all of them bad and we dont like any of them.

p.s.this is coming from a hater of pakistani and indian cricket team, i just can't stand either of those teams for personal reasons, not for anything else related to 71 or politics for tht matter.

Ganesh
March 23, 2011, 11:30 PM
What has Pakistan cricket team got to do with politics??

What happened in 71 is regretted by all Pakistanis. It was the dirty politicians, military and has nothing to do with the general population.

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You are free to live in fools paradise. As far as I am aware of, not a single Pakistani has been punished for those horrendous deeds. Of course, Pakistanis express regret about 1971. That is because that is the best way to divert the issue of not punishing war criminals. If the people really felt like pressing their govt or military to take actions against horrible criminals, they would. Truth is they really don't want to press for such an action. Only fools will believe expressions of fake regrets not backed by any protests or demand for action. In short, without concrete action, expression of regret is not to be taken seriously.

Night_wolf
March 23, 2011, 11:33 PM
Boys Boys..we are derailing this thread..there is a Forget Cricket Section in this Forum to Talk about 71

Rabz
March 24, 2011, 12:16 AM
Top post Sohel bhai.
Enough said of this subject matter.
I find it pretty disturbing to be honest.

Tigers_eye
March 24, 2011, 12:48 AM
Forgive. Don't you want your Lord (to whom you shall return and there is no doubt about that) to forgive you?

Note, this is not that kind of forgiveness that you will point out in the future, "I forgave you and what you have done for me?" Forgive from your heart. At least try once. Take a step and your Lord will make it easy for you.

Official apology is that important? We have our land for 40 years almost. Look what we have done to it.

Jonas
March 24, 2011, 01:10 AM
I was at the stadium yesterday -- I'm not a Pakistani fan, or West Indian fan or Indian fan -- and was amazed to be part of such an electric atmosphere. I haven't been to a Bangladeshi WC game -- because I couldn't manage a ticket -- but I can't imagine if it's possible to support a team more passionately then the crowd supported Pakistan yesterday. Personally I don't have a problem with that as long as they don't support Pakistan when they play against Bangladesh -- and I'm sure they don't do that.

Banglatiger84
March 24, 2011, 01:27 AM
because I couldn't manage a ticket -- but I can't imagine if it's possible to support a team more passionately then the crowd supported Pakistan yesterday.



Which makes the fact that Afridi/Hafeez did not acknowledge the crowd all the more appalling

Jonas
March 24, 2011, 01:31 AM
Which makes the fact that Afridi/Hafeez did not acknowledge the crowd all the more appalling

To be fair to them, both of them did. I was sitting at the southern gallery, surrounded by thousands of Pakistani fans. Hafeez was fielding just in front of us, and the crowd was shouting his name (I wasn't btw), and he waved back towards us. Afridi, being the captain, wasn't fielding near the boundary, but did wave towards us from the mid-on. So did Ajmal and Sarwan.

BanCricFan
March 24, 2011, 06:43 AM
It was their "passion for Islam" that drove them to it.

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A colourful but a crude jibe in very bad taste.

On topic- The reasonable people of Pakistan, if they are truly sincere, MUST lobby and campaign for an official apology from their Govt. -notwithstanding how corrupt they are- for the crime against humanity and people of Bangladesh. The least they can do.

Zunaid
March 24, 2011, 07:37 AM
The significance of the phrase being in quotes not apparent to you? I suggest reading through the chain of posts rather than comment out of context.
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One World
March 24, 2011, 09:57 AM
Very interesting thread. Were not those of the lower castes in Hindu classisism being repressed by many many years decided to break-free from such oppressions and found the light of Islam as the genuine path of freedom as it does not discriminate based on boundary, race, nationality, appearance, richess - any social parameter? Still we are "miskins", still we have to go through multiple security checks during transits or a hotel stay in Doha or Dubai.

Color of religion does not matter, color of passport and skin does. Go figure.

BanCricFan
March 24, 2011, 10:31 AM
The significance of the phrase being in quotes not apparent to you? I suggest reading through the chain of posts rather than comment out of context.

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Sorry bhai! Can't see any obvious significance here. Putting a potentially sensitive and provocative phrase in between the quotes doesn't make it -intentionally or otherwise- any less misleading or distortive. Perhaps, you could clarify a little...

Shubho
March 24, 2011, 12:20 PM
However strongly I feel that it degrades our freedom struggle that Bangladeshis are supporting the Pakistan cricket team, I must acknowledge that there is nothing wrong per se in cheering their cricket team.

That said, what we saw at the stadium was pure sycophantic, RAJAKARI bullcrap. There are limits to how far one should go to support another's team, particularly when that team is called Pakistan. Wearing the Pakistan jersey? Pakistani face paint? Whooping and hollering like its your motherland? Screw those "supporters"! Shove them into one of the Geneva camps and ship them off to Pakmastaan asap.

THIS IS OUR HOUSE!

aftitabi
March 24, 2011, 12:46 PM
Shove them into one of the Geneva camps and ship them off to Pakmastaan asap.

THIS IS OUR HOUSE!

Clearly ppl that matters, who actually live in Bangladesh and went to the stadium don't agree with you. Good thing for them that you're already shipped off to a different land.

Nafi
March 24, 2011, 12:56 PM
You guys need to get a grip.

KRider
March 24, 2011, 02:10 PM
very funny so called bangali aamra. we live abroad, and some come back, and then we think only our opinion matters. bd ppl can do what they chose, who r u all to say who to support or not

sohel bhai is really confused. his FB posting is very SHAMEFUL. he is putting names on other ppl, when he is just that type of ppl. ppl like sohel bhai live in america all his life, the same america that wanted paksitan to bomb bangladesh ppl to the soil. how bad for him. How shameful for him

Banglatiger84
March 24, 2011, 03:54 PM
To be fair to them, both of them did. I was sitting at the southern gallery, surrounded by thousands of Pakistani fans. Hafeez was fielding just in front of us, and the crowd was shouting his name (I wasn't btw), and he waved back towards us. Afridi, being the captain, wasn't fielding near the boundary, but did wave towards us from the mid-on. So did Ajmal and Sarwan.

By acknowledge I didnt mean waving at fans. Both of them thanked the "fans who came from Pakistan", in effect not mentioning the 95% of fans who were Bangladeshis and probably supporting Pakistan for whatever reason

Shubho
March 24, 2011, 06:24 PM
Clearly ppl that matters, who actually live in Bangladesh and went to the stadium don't agree with you. Good thing for them that you're already shipped off to a different land.

People that matter? I don't matter because I don't live in Bangladesh? Do explain.

Maybe three quarters of the 15,000 people who turned up (reminder: stadium capacity is 26,000) chose to support Pakmastaan. And a fraction of that three quarters of said 15,000 spectators actually went overboard in their support for Pakmastaan. To them, I offer a one-way ticket to the Geneva camp using my hard-earned foreign currency.

"Thank you".

MohammedC
March 24, 2011, 06:51 PM
World Cup hosts Bangladesh do themselves proud

by Peter Roebuck

Bangladesh has an enormous part to play in the rise and fall of cricket. It displays the same single-minded devotion to the game detected in Kolkata 20 years ago. Admittedly, the team remains immature and mostly unsuccessful but the enthusiasm is high, the population is large and the talent obvious. With proper support, cricket's newest and poorest Test nation will be a powerhouse within 20 years.

Everyone still talks about the overwhelming scenes observed at the opening ceremony on February 20, the atmosphere in the ground, the warmth of the people, the packed streets outside. Indian observers report that it surpassed anything seen in their country. In the eyes of locals, it was nothing less than the birth of the nation. An important sporting event had been put in its hands, and it has responded superbly.

Needless to say, Sher-e-Bangla, Dhaka's splendidly rebuilt stadium, filled up as the first quarter-final was played, never mind that the home side had already been eliminated. Inside the ground, the crowd was exuberant. Outside, hundreds of people milled around listening to the regular roars and cheers. Further away, groups gathered around large screens and watched as the Pakistani openers took their team towards the semi-finals.


Of course, Bangladesh needs to turn affection into strength. At present, the team consists mostly of boys sent to do a man's job. ICL, the rebel Twenty20 league, took away most of the senior players, and along the way they lost their edge. Not that they can be blamed for seeking money. A weak domestic structure is the other problem, and that cannot be changed in five minutes.

Nor, though, is it a lost cause. Nations are so easily caricatured. Suffice it to say that Bangladesh has a woman prime minister, lots of newspapers, exceptional warmth and a more settled political position than some of its cricketing peers. It is also impoverished, congested and polluted. As far as cricket is concerned, though, it is not merely a worthwhile investment, it's a critical location.

Bangladesh is not a problem, it is an asset. Locals even managed to enjoy a dreadfully one-sided match played between Pakistan and West Indies. A less tolerant crowd might have scorned the Caribbean outfit as impostors. Instead the ground rejoiced in the event itself.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/world-cup-hosts-bangladesh-do-themselves-proud-20110324-1c8jx.html?

Nafi
March 24, 2011, 06:58 PM
And where is this line of going overboard, seriously this attitude disgusts me.

I just had a Bengali Society meeting at university, and we have quite a few pakistanis there as well who came along and are members as well.

What happened in the past was bad, but was perpetrated by our own people and the corrupt pakistani government/military (that nowadays abuse their own people), it doesnt warrant this attitude at all.

And like it or not, a lot of Bengalis share the same roots and heritage with Pakistanis.

f100
March 24, 2011, 09:25 PM
this is a better representative of what pakistanis think http://blog.dawn.com/2011/03/24/thank-you-dhaka/


Thank You BD :flag:

gladiator
March 24, 2011, 11:32 PM
this is a better representative of what pakistanis think http://blog.dawn.com/2011/03/24/thank-you-dhaka/


Thank You BD :flag:

Also, don't forget to read the responses at the end of the article by the common Pakistanis, that is the true representation of Pakistani view towards BD.
Thanks again for the most awesome support. :flag::up:

Shubho
March 25, 2011, 12:03 AM
And where is this line of going overboard, seriously this attitude disgusts me.

I just had a Bengali Society meeting at university, and we have quite a few pakistanis there as well who came along and are members as well.

What happened in the past was bad, but was perpetrated by our own people and the corrupt pakistani government/military (that nowadays abuse their own people), it doesnt warrant this attitude at all.

And like it or not, a lot of Bengalis share the same roots and heritage with Pakistanis.

Imagine a line.

On one side of the line are Bangladeshis who support the Pakistani cricket team. They clap. They cheer when a boundary is scored or when a wicket is taken. They express disbelief when their favourite batsmen get out.

On the other side of the line are another set of Bangladeshis. These Bangladeshis also support the Pakistani cricket team. Only...they sport Pakistani jerseys, carry Pakistani flags, paint their faces in the colours of the Pakistani flag, etc.

Both sides of the line represent Bangladeshis who support the Pakistan cricket team. One style of support is perfectly acceptable. The other simply reflects lack of self-worth, a servile attitude and total lack of respect for one's own flag (and what it represents).

I leave it to you to figure out which side is which.

Thank you. Good bye.

Baundule
March 25, 2011, 01:05 AM
Sohel bhai, top post. Anyone even with the minimum of brain will understand that. Some people will change, some will not.

People who think, it was all about the Pakistani military for what they did with us, must watch this video (we, the shuorke bachchas, were sent to the Jahannam by him with support from pakistani people):

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Bhutto was clearly supporting the military action in the following interview as well.

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="550" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Xu4MTv5wgys" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Night_wolf
March 25, 2011, 02:02 AM
look in the net about the night of 25th march in 1971

all hell with all the logics and reasons..i'll never ever support Pakistan

be a sport a team or anything...i dont care if the pak players had nothing to do with it or not

Shafin
March 25, 2011, 12:45 PM
.... .... ....

Dilscoop
March 25, 2011, 12:46 PM
Another great turn-out! This is great! I can't wait till we host T20 WC all by ourselves! We will show them how it's done. Even during a Nameless-anada vs Unknown-isthan game, the stadium will be packed!

But why is this goinging unnoticed by the players, the media and officials! Clearly we defeated SL for neutral game atmosphere!

RazabQ
March 25, 2011, 02:01 PM
Some thoughts:
1) Crowd support was more robust for today's QF involving Saffers & NZ - read what you will of it.
2) You cannot discount the emotional reaction to Windies being "responsible" for our WC exit - that accounts, IMHO for the strong Pakistan support in the last QF.
3) As Shubho said, face-painting and flag waving would seem to be a bit much. But I attribute that more to our young people looking for any and every excuse to "party up" rather than some historical-political statement. For those of us who are older and have a sense of the past or the near-past, 71 or a "faluni" cannot but influence how strongly we root (or don't root) for a Pakistan or an India. Younger people - they don't care. They want to move forward. That is how it always is and to rail against that is pointless. Holocaust survivors might never root for a German team but an Israeli youth today could very well be rooting for a Bayern Munich or for a German ski team.
4) As a nation (industrial-military-5-families) Pakistan has never appropriately apologized or compensated for their genocide. As individual people many have expressed regret while others seem oblivious. But that is one dysfunctional country and I don't know how much we Bangladeshi's gain in directing angst against a country that 60+ years after its independence still struggles with something as old-school as feudalism!
5) Afridi goofed - he should have thanked the Dhaka crowd. But over the years he has made enough appreciative statements about BD that I'll cut him some slack. He's never come across as nearly arrogant as Imran and I grew up with an Imran poster!

Banglatiger84
March 25, 2011, 02:08 PM
I am proud of our fans, they created a wonderful atmosphere today and it would have been hard for someone listening to the match to guess that it was a 3rd party ground and not one in SA or NZ

Neel Here
March 25, 2011, 02:10 PM
it's interesting isn't it that pak seem to do better under the leadership of pathans ? first imran and now afridi ?
my fav bowler akram wasn't that good a captain unfortunately.

Shubho
March 25, 2011, 02:33 PM
@Razab - Points very well made.

However, it's still difficult for me to empathize with the so-called "youth that wants to move forward". The scars the Pakistanis left (1971) are fresher than the ones the Germans left (1945). More importantly, they left the wound open, unlike the Germans. No official apology, let alone reparations. Not even repatriation of their own people. The worst of it is that they were in denial for decades...some still are. To then have our people (no matter how young they are) wave their flag, wear their colours and celebrate them like demi-gods is more than just a little jarring.

Unfortunately for me, it is their democratic right to do so. You are right, railing against it is probably pointless. But we are fully within our rights to despise these people for what we consider to be shameful behaviour.

Nafi
March 25, 2011, 02:38 PM
it's interesting isn't it that pak seem to do better under the leadership of pathans ? first imran and now afridi ?
my fav bowler akram wasn't that good a captain unfortunately.

:lol: Pathans seem to be natural leaders.

We need to find a Bangladeshi with pathan roots to lead us :up:

Baundule
March 25, 2011, 03:17 PM
:lol: Pathans seem to be natural leaders.

We need to find a Bangladeshi with pathan roots to lead us :up:
Shame!

MohammedC
March 25, 2011, 05:00 PM
I just saw this on you tube. From Pak v Windies game.

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Nafi
March 25, 2011, 07:03 PM
Shame!

What kind of racist attitude is this, you have problems with Bangladeshis with afghan heritage. I have afghan heritage as do many other Bangladeshis, do you have a problem with me?

Tiger-ess
March 25, 2011, 08:30 PM
Going back to the subject of this thread, I think its right to highlight something Aminul Islam Bulbul said in a show, that is- "Bangladesh as a team might have failed but Bangladesh as a country have definitly won this world cup"

BanCricFan
March 25, 2011, 08:58 PM
(Continuing from Nafi's post)
...And I am an Arab-Bangali. I'm equally proud of my both heritage -linguistically and culturally. Then I'm also proud of my English heritage...being brought up here. But I'm most proud of my African heritage -assuming the First Man came from there. Not "pure" but only Human race should matter the most. One encompasses All. One in All and All in One. Unity through diversity. Multiplicity in Singularity. One Love. Peace and Love. Shalom Salaam. Shanti!!:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP0y6u-Jnwg

Banglatiger84
March 26, 2011, 12:14 AM
What kind of racist attitude is this, you have problems with Bangladeshis with afghan heritage. I have afghan heritage as do many other Bangladeshis, do you have a problem with me?

I dont think he has a problem with Bangladeshis with Pathan roots; he probably had a problem with the insinuation that a Bangladeshi of Pathan origin would be a better leader. Probably didnt get your tongue in cheek attitude

Baundule
March 27, 2011, 04:08 AM
What kind of racist attitude is this, you have problems with Bangladeshis with afghan heritage. I have afghan heritage as do many other Bangladeshis, do you have a problem with me?
Your attitude was racist, not mine. You were looking for a Pathan origin to lead us. To me, the origin of a Bangladeshi should not be any concern in selecting the captain.