PDA

View Full Version : Dhaka bids farewell to the World Cup


sujon
March 28, 2011, 12:00 PM
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/content/site/worldcup2011/rbtc/index.html

What a shocker! Just see how people respond to the question possed about why they support pakistan in so large numbers. see at 5:36. I am speechless!

I do not want to restart the debate on why should we not support the pakistan cricket team, but I want some of the respondents kicked out of Bangladesh to live in Pakistan. I hope this is just a small part of pakistan cricket supporters in Bangladesh who think this way- i really do.

A new ethnic group has emerged in Bangladesh by the name of BangPaki.

Murad
March 28, 2011, 12:05 PM
I feel like punching these thugs!!! :sick:

Shubho
March 28, 2011, 12:38 PM
Two things.

First, the so-called "reporters" are not blameless here. They went looking specifically for Pakmastaan supporters who would say inflammatory things. I'll bet $100 that they edited out more sensible responses. Frankly, I was a little miffed with the condescending tone of the commentary on every single video these guys have shot in Bangladesh.

Second, it is no secret that we have plenty of the Muslim-Muslim-bhai-bhai crowd in our midst, not to mention Rajakars and their offspring, as well as those who simply lack an iota of self-respect. As long as the rest of us stand firm and remain vigilant, we'll be fine.

Sohel
March 28, 2011, 01:12 PM
Two things.

First, the so-called "reporters" are not blameless here. They went looking specifically for Pakmastaan supporters who would say inflammatory things. I'll bet $100 that they edited out more sensible responses. Frankly, I was a little miffed with the condescending tone of the commentary on every single video these guys have shot in Bangladesh.

Second, it is no secret that we have plenty of the Muslim-Muslim-bhai-bhai crowd in our midst, not to mention Rajakars and their offspring, as well as those who simply lack an iota of self-respect. As long as the rest of us stand firm and remain vigilant, we'll be fine.

Amen to all that. It isn't about the cricket but flying the flag of GENOCIDE, MASS RAPE, MASS TORTURE AND BRIGANDAGE (http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/) just 2 days before it all began. The best we can do is inform the misguided as to what really happened and let their sense of morality and decency work out the rest.

How can we "forgive and forget" when no official acknowledgment, apology or reparation offer was made for those crimes against humanity and the Bangladeshi people? Those who think it isn't a big deal, especially the ironically and outwardly "religious" ones, ought to have their hearts examined for their own good.

In fact, Pakistan has gone out of its way misguiding the world about the truth, and deliberately failed to fulfill its obligation under the Simla Agreement by refusing to try the alleged war criminals in its custody.

All decent Pakistani individuals need to inform themselves of the brutal legacy of their government's crimes in 1971 and before that, and then actively spread the truth. Hopefully such knowledge and public pressure will eventually lead to the acknowledgment, apology and reparations necessary to begin the long overdue expiation . Pakistan also needs to actively assist the Bangladeshi government in the International Crimes Tribunal underway here, rather than trying to subvert the process, while holding its own trials in its own territory.

Until and unless that happens, BangPaki or not, flying that flag is an insult.

That being said, people fought and died for anti-totalitarian values where people have the right to be "wrong" so to speak. It is not a matter of imposition or coercion, but of debate, persuasion, and being able to agree to disagree, no matter how egregiously insensitive and disagreeable something may be. That's what makes us better than them both politically and spiritually, and that's how we truly honor the martyrs who brought us here.

Night_wolf
March 28, 2011, 01:19 PM
there are many "soronarthi" in the geneva camp in dhaka..most of them are biharies..they support Pakistan..i wonder most of the face paints and flag Carriers were them or not..

F6_Turbo
March 28, 2011, 01:19 PM
*Serenity Now*

*Serenity Now*

F6_Turbo
March 28, 2011, 01:21 PM
there are many "soronarthi" in the geneva camp in dhaka..most of them are biharies..they support Pakistan..i wonder most of the face paints and flag Carriers were them or not..

Not a chance, the match on wednesday will tell you all you need to know.

Night_wolf
March 28, 2011, 01:31 PM
Not a chance, the match on wednesday will tell you all you need to know.

i know some of us have unconditional love for pak cricket team but i still find it hard to believe Banglies flying pak flag and face painting pak colours in the stadium..but i saw this with my own eyes..so i was wondering can these guys be biharies..

Tiger-ess
March 28, 2011, 02:02 PM
I saw my grandad cry for the 2nd time the other day(the first being when his mother died couple of years back), as he went into detail of the liberation war. Now Im still very young and I havent spent significant amount of years of my life living in Bangladesh so Im pretty alienated from the current generation of the Bangladeshis' perception of 1971. So this is it then? shocking..

simon
March 28, 2011, 02:52 PM
I saw my grandad cry for the 2nd time the other day(the first being when his mother died couple of years back), as he went into detail of the liberation war. Now Im still very young and I havent spent significant amount of years of my life living in Bangladesh so Im pretty alienated from the current generation of the Bangladeshis' perception of 1971. So this is it then? shocking..

not only the current generation dear but people older than us like one of my own boro bhai who is like 38+ supports Pak strongly.
many of that generation and this generation are still supporting Pak, eventhough these days we see lots of documentary programs,dramas & different activities involving 1971 which is good,but as a nation unfortunately many are still taking "Muktijuddho" lightly which is a shame.
1971 er kotha bhebe amader oboshshoi Pak support kora uchit na.:flag:

Dark_Horse
March 28, 2011, 02:53 PM
I saw my grandad cry for the 2nd time the other day(the first being when his mother died couple of years back), as he went into detail of the liberation war. Now Im still very young and I havent spent significant amount of years of my life living in Bangladesh so Im pretty alienated from the current generation of the Bangladeshis' perception of 1971. So this is it then? shocking..

Shameful but not shocking anymore. We have had 40 years of freedom and see what a mess we have made to our promised "Sonar Bangla". No wonder we are still breeding these shameless bunch of people.

Sovik
March 28, 2011, 05:30 PM
The education is to blame here.

We don't only get educated at school. Education starts in way earlier than that. What we learn from our parents, our society. I am sure if those supporters were informed about the horror that our nation had to endure in 1971, they would not be singing alongside Pakistanis at Mirpur stadium.

And i was lucky enough not to born in that time and i never had to face the uncertainty about life or death.

CricFanBD
March 28, 2011, 06:38 PM
I want to mention some facts (from website) for all Pakistan Cricket Fans who born in Bangladesh. You like it or not, ignore it or count it---it is real….it happened…the whole world observed this.

Genocide:
“…… we were told to kill the hindus and Kafirs (non-believer in God). One day in June, we cordoned a village and were ordered to kill the Kafirs in that area. We found all the village women reciting from the Holy Quran, and the men holding special congregational prayers seeking God’s mercy. But they were unlucky. Our commanding officer ordered us not to waste any time.”

It all started with Operation Searchlight, a planned military pacification carried out by the Pakistan Army started on 25 March, 1971 to curb the Bengali nationalist movement by taking control of the major cities on March 26, and then eliminating all opposition, political or military, within one month. Before the beginning of the operation, all foreign journalists were systematically deported from Bangladesh. The main phase of Operation Searchlight ended with the fall of the last major town in Bengali hands in mid May.

According to New York Times (3/28/71) 10,000 people were killed; New York Times (3/29/71) 5,000-7,000 people were killed in Dhaka; The Sydney Morning Herald (3/29/71) 10,000 – 100,000 were killed; New York Times (4/1/71) 35,000 were killed in Dhaka during operation searchlight.

The operation also began the 1971 Bangladesh atrocities. These systematic killings served only to enrage the Bengalis, which ultimately resulted in the secession of East Pakistan later in December, 1971. The international media and reference books in English have published casualty figures which vary greatly; 200,000–3,000,000 for Bangladesh as a whole.

There is only one word for this: Genocide.

Genocide in Bangladesh, 1971

The mass killings in Bangladesh (then East Pakistan) in 1971 vie with the annihilation of the Soviet POWs, the holocaust against the Jews, and the genocide in Rwanda as the most concentrated act of genocide in the twentieth century. In an attempt to crush forces seeking independence for East Pakistan, the West Pakistani military regime unleashed a systematic campaign of mass murder which aimed at killing millions of Bengalis, and likely succeeded in doing so.

In national elections held in December 1970, the Awami League won an overwhelming victory across Bengali territory. On February 22, 1971 the generals in West Pakistan took a decision to crush the Awami League and its supporters. It was recognized from the first that a campaign of genocide would be necessary to eradicate the threat: “Kill three million of them,” said President Yahya Khan at the February conference, “and the rest will eat out of our hands.” (Robert Payne, Massacre [1972], p. 50.) On March 25 the genocide was launched. The university in Dacca (Dhaka) was attacked and students exterminated in their hundreds. Death squads roamed the streets of Dacca, killing some 7,000 people in a single night. It was only the beginning. “Within a week, half the population of Dacca had fled, and at least 30,000 people had been killed. Chittagong, too, had lost half its population. All over East Pakistan people were taking flight, and it was estimated that in April some thirty million people [!] were wandering helplessly across East Pakistan to escape the grasp of the military.” (Payne, Massacre, p. 48.) Ten million refugees fled to India, overwhelming that country’s resources and spurring the eventual Indian military intervention. (The population of Bangladesh/East Pakistan at the outbreak of the genocide was about 75 million.)

The Guinness Book of Records lists the Bangladesh Genocide as one of the top 5 genocides in the 20th century.

Killing of intellectuals

During the war, the Pakistan Army and its local collaborators carried out a systematic execution of the leading Bengali intellectuals. A number of professors from Dhaka University were killed during the first few days of the war.[33][34] However, the most extreme cases of targeted killing of intellectuals took place during the last few days of the war. Professors, journalists, doctors, artists, engineers, writers were rounded up by Pakistan Army and the Razakar militia in Dhaka, blindfolded, taken to torture cells in Mirpur, Mohammadpur, Nakhalpara, Rajarbagh and other locations in different sections of the city to be executed en masse in the killing fields, most notably at Rayerbazar and Mirpur.[35][36][37][38] Allegedly, the Pakistani Army and its paramilitary arm, the Al-Badr and Al-Shams forces created a list of doctors, teachers, poets, and scholars.[39][40]

During the nine month duration of the war, the Pakistani army, with the assistance of local collaborators systematically executed an estimated 991 teachers, 13 journalists, 49 physicians, 42 lawyers, and 16 writers, artists and engineers.[37] Even after the official ending of the war on 16 December there were reports of firing from the armed Pakistani soldiers or their collaborators. In one such incident, notable film-maker Jahir Raihan was killed on January 30, 1972 in Mirpur allegedly by the armed Beharis. In memory of the persons killed, December 14 is mourned in Bangladesh as Shaheed Buddhijibi Dibosh ("Day of the Martyred Intellectuals").[6][41][42]

Several noted intellectuals who were killed from the time period of 25 March to 16 December 1971 in different parts of the country include Dhaka University professors Dr. Govinda Chandra Dev (Philosophy), Dr. Munier Chowdhury (Bengali Literature), Dr. Mufazzal Haider Chaudhury (Bengali Literature), Dr. Anwar Pasha (Bengali Literature), Dr M Abul Khair (History), Dr. Jyotirmoy Guhathakurta (English Literature), Humayun Kabir (English Literature), Rashidul Hasan (English Literature) and Saidul Hassan (Physics), as well Dr. Hobibur Rahman (Professor of Mathematics at Rajshahi University), Dr. Mohammed Fazle Rabbee (Cardiologist), Dr. Alim Chowdhury (Ophthalmologist), Shahidullah Kaiser (Journalist), Nizamuddin Ahmed (Journalist),[43] Selina Parvin (Journalist), Altaf Mahmud (Lyricist and musician), Dhirendranath Datta (Politician) and Ranadaprasad Saha (Philanthropist).

Zunaid
March 28, 2011, 06:44 PM
And some relevant links from my website:

History : Independence
[Prelude (http://www.bdchat.com/#prelude)] [Facts and Figures (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/independence.html#facts)] [Legacy (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/independence.html#legacy)] [Links (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/independence.html#links)]
Prelude to Independence

http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/images/hist/ekushe/52feb21_144.gif
Students Breaking Section 144. February 21 1952
<dl><dt>Article by Tanweer Akram (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/overview_akram.html)</dt><dd> A scholarly article detailing out the historical basis for Bangladesh's independence.
</dd><dt>A brief history of the Bangla Language Movement (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/ekushe.html)</dt><dd> An article by Mohammad Bari describing the events leading to the language movement.
</dd><dt>Economic Exploitation (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/econexp.html)</dt><dd> This article discusses the economic exploitation that Bangladesh suffered in its 23 year union with Pakistan.
</dd><dt>The March Days (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/marchdays.html)</dt><dd> (Courtesy, Abu Hussain). This is a collection of events from the heady days of March 1971 leading to the the declaration of Independence on the 26th of March.
</dd></dl> Independence: Facts and Figures

<table align="left" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="200"> <tbody><tr> <td width="100%">http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/images/hist/mj/mukti_boat.gif
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <dl><dt>Declaration of Independence (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/declaration.html) </dt><dd> The story behind the declaration of Independence on March 26, 1971.
</dd><dt>PM Tajuddin Ahmed's statement to the world, April 17, 1971 (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/tajuddin_statement_71.html). </dt><dd> On April 17, 1971, the then acting PM of Bangladesh made a statement to the world to support the Bangladesh cause for freedom.
</dd><dt>The Bengali genocide (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/holocaust.html)</dt><dd> The hundreds of thousands who were killed by the marauding Pakistani army during the war. A statistical look.
</dd><dt>Genocide Museum (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/bd_hol.html)</dt><dd> Images of genocide.
</dd><dt>Eyewitness Accounts (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/mukti.html)</dt><dd> Various eye witness accounts from the liberation war.
</dd><dt>US Congressional Records (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/us_congress.html)</dt><dd> Records from the US congress regarding Bangladesh during the war.
</dd><dt>US State Department Archives (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/usstate.html)</dt><dd> Archives that capture events before, drign and after the war.
</dd><dt>International Press (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/press.html)</dt><dd> Coverage by the international press
</dd><dt>Videos (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/videos.html)</dt><dd> Rare news footages from the forein pres. Graphic content warning.
</dd><dt>The Surrender Document (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/surrender.html)</dt><dd> About the final surrender by the Pakistani Army to the combine allied forces of Bangladesh and India.
</dd><dd> Includes pictures of the surrender ceremony and the actual Instrument of surrender.
</dd><dt>Remembering a Liberation War (http://www.subcontinent.com/1971war/1971war.html)</dt><dd> Twenty five years ago, India and Pakistan went to war over the issue of Bangladesh. Mukti Bahini guerillas and Indian soldiers swept past Pakistani defenses and forced the Pakistani Army to surrender within two weeks. On the western front, Indians and Pakistanis fought a series of even deadlier battles. This 1971 War web exhibition commemorates that war...
</dd><dt>A long bibliography (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/bibliography.php). </dt><dd> Please help add to this list by emailing us.
</dd><dt>Tri-partite Agreement (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/tri.html)</dt><dd> The tripartite agreement signed between the governments of Bangladesh, India and Pakistan for normalization of relationship.
</dd></dl> Legacy

<dl><dt>A Nation Awakened: The Legacy of Jahanara Imam (http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/jahanara_imam.html)</dt></dl>

sujon
March 28, 2011, 07:23 PM
No matter how you try to educate them, they have already acquired the blindness not to accept why its bad to wave the Pakistani flags, paint in green and white and crescents. Most of them will simply say "do not mix politics and sports". I do not know how to educate these people.

cricket_king
March 28, 2011, 07:27 PM
Well my shame levels have risen beyond measure after watching those interviews. But the levels were already up during the Pakistan/Windies clash. I sometimes feel self-respect is non-existent in our nation.

Haru-party
March 28, 2011, 07:52 PM
oi amare kew dhor

FaHiMa
March 28, 2011, 08:13 PM
oh man I dont even know what to say!
Seriously to the people that said because we were once a part of them or something? ARE YOU freakin' kiddin' me?
who edited this thing?

Nafi
March 28, 2011, 08:35 PM
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/content/site/worldcup2011/rbtc/index.html

I do not want to restart the debate on why should we not support the pakistan cricket team,

What right do you have to tell people, not to support a sports team?

Zunaid
March 28, 2011, 08:37 PM
What right do you have to tell people, not to support a sports team?

the same right they have to support a sports team.

Nafi
March 28, 2011, 08:39 PM
What a shocker! Just see how people respond to the question possed about why they support pakistan in so large numbers. see at 5:36. I am speechless!



What he said was correct, Pakistanis and Bengalis (especially with muslims backgrounds) share the same roots of ancestors, especially during the Persian era, and the later Afghan eras of Bangladesh.

Where do you think muslim Bengalis came from, out of the ground?

Go read a book and educate yourself, he didnt say anything incorrect.

http://www.uplbooks.com.bd/index.php/home/catalog_details/162

However yes I am angry at the fact that Pakistan havent given an official apology
In fact, Pakistan has gone out of its way misguiding the world about the truth, and deliberately failed to fulfill its obligation under the Simla Agreement by refusing to try the alleged war criminals in its custody.

I agree with Sohel's position, waving the flag is a no-no, wave something else like Shahid Afridi poster, but not the flag - the same flag that terrible crimes were commited under

All decent Pakistani individuals need to inform themselves of the brutal legacy of their government's crimes in 1971 and before that, and then actively spread the truth. Hopefully such knowledge and resultant public pressure will eventually result in the acknowledgment, apology and reparations necessary to begin the long overdue expiation . Pakistan also needs to actively assist the Bangladeshi government in the International Crimes Tribunal underway here, rather than trying to subvert the process, while holding its own trials with regards to the accused in its territory.

Until and unless that happens, BangPaki or not, flying that flag is an insult.

Zunaid
March 28, 2011, 08:59 PM
What he said was correct, Pakistanis and Bengalis (especially with muslims backgrounds) share the same roots of ancestors, especially during the Persian era, and the later Afghan eras of Bangladesh.

Where do you think muslim Bengalis came from, out of the ground?

Go read a book and educate yourself, he didnt say anything incorrect.

http://www.uplbooks.com.bd/index.php/home/catalog_details/162

A vast majority of Bengalis are original inhabitants of Vanga and Muslims and Hindus both come from the same stock. Overwhelming majority of Muslim Bengalis ancestors are converts from Hinduism. Sufi masters were the single most important factor in South Asian conversions to Islam, particularly in Bangladesh.

As someone with professional lingustic anthropology training, ethnically we share more with the Hindus of West Bengal than the Muslims of Afghanistan (even less so if the Afhgan are of Turkick, Hazara or Uzbek origin). Only a miniscule few Bangalis can purport to have an West Asian background. Have you read the book you linked?

We almost did come out of the ground. We were already here prior to the advent of Islam to the region.

Islamization of Bengal does have multiple causes such as conversion as means of social liberation, conversion by force (yes, that happened too), conversion by patronage. The least tenable reason is conversion by immigration.

a) Immigration: i.e. people of West Asian stock invaded/immigrated into this region displacing/killing off/peacefully coexisting with the indigenous population. This theory is probably the least credible in the light of anthropometric and genetic studies, which points to the indigenous origin of most Bengali Muslims. Also only a small fraction of them identify themselves as ashrafs, i.e. immigrants of middle-eastern origin, and are usually to be found in the more urban aristocratic classes, whereas the majority of ethnically Bengali Muslims were agriculturists settled in the more remote parts of the Gangetic delta.

I am pretty sure the young man quoted as saying we were part of them wasn't going back that far in history. Heck, we were part of British India - who do we support then?

1212
March 28, 2011, 09:15 PM
Theres people in Bangladesh who wave Indian flags. Not really a big deal. People in Bangladesh wave Brazilian and Argentian flags during the football world cup.

1212
March 28, 2011, 09:21 PM
It's important we pray for those who were the victims of genocide 40 years ago. And learn the History. But this type of 40 year old Hasina mentality is exactly whats wrong with this country. We're still campaigning for the same politics that happened 40 years ago.

Zunaid
March 28, 2011, 09:31 PM
It's important we pray for those who were the victims of genocide 40 years ago. And learn the History. But this type of 40 year old Hasina mentality is exactly whats wrong with this country. We're still campaigning for the same politics that happened 40 years ago.

Who is "we" on your last sentence? Point me to some examples in this forum and in relevant threads that puport to show "40 year old Hasina mentaity"? What does that mean anyway?

Yes, we should all pray for the victims and we all need to find closure so that we can move on.

Idealist
March 28, 2011, 09:31 PM
Much Thanks to Zunaid and Sohel. You guys articulated cleanly what I was thinking. We need to be more aware about our surroundings.

CricFanBD
March 28, 2011, 09:52 PM
@Sujon,Yes, you are right. The main reasons are:

1) During 1971, not all the people on Bangladesh want Independence. They want to be a part of Pakistan---they probably think it will be good to stay in a big Muslim Nation---it should not matter how far the two states (West and East), how much your population suffer from the unequal balanced system. Because they are in stable and good position in society---Hunger, Violence, Rape, Vandalism, Mukti Bahini, Birangona stay far far away from them. They live happily ever before 1971 and now also. Not all of them are Rajakar or Al-Bodor or Brothers/sisters of Golam Ajom, but in deep heart they always feel “Pak Sar Jomin Baad” in their blood and cells. In the video what I saw----I think most of them are fallen in this category, they got this Paki influence from their parents or grand parents---not to mention that there is a probability that some of them are Rajakar’s and Albodor’s children.


2) Religion is one of the facts which are pretty hard to overcome. You pray 5 times prayer or not---it does not matter, the matter will be when some one express some logic based on true facts----attack him with the Religious power or ancestor thing ( “all Muslims are so called brothers”) ---perhaps kill him---“Jehad” is another nice word they can frequently use. Agree or Disagree all the Political Party including Awami League supports and play with religion’s emotion with the people---on the other hand people are not much educated---they have a lot of questions and problems---who can solve them---don’t worry---you are poor, I am rich---You are Muslim, I am Muslim---you kill my father, rape my sister----don’t worry you have a bad time---we will over come together…we are Muslim brothers, I support in every occasion where you are in----Cricket?—Definitely You play very good this sport plus your players are handsome---I want to marry some of your players at the same time---for that reason I go to the Stadium with “Marry (F) Me” banner.


3) As a nation overall, we have a limited amount of self esteem. We generally think---everything is in this country are bad, everything in foreign nations is good---sorry the best. We need to get those items---perhaps support them when they come to our country, show them our shameless activities---please do not consider the History---3 million people died? Who cares---several thousands are raped---oh no---stop it----I will love them till my death---did I mention that they play good cricket also---overall they are born as Muslim like me—which I did not earn---got it as a inheritance gift---I will go all over for it----drop the history---perhaps the Independence also—may be if they can.

1212
March 28, 2011, 10:10 PM
Who is "we" on your last sentence? Point me to some examples in this forum and in relevant threads that puport to show "40 year old Hasina mentaity"? What does that mean anyway?

Yes, we should all pray for the victims and we all need to find closure so that we can move on.

We bangladeshis.

Zunaid
March 28, 2011, 10:14 PM
We bangladeshis.

SO "We are still campaigning for the same politics that happened 40 years ago"? Is that a good thing or a bad thing? What was the politics of 40 years ago? What were we campaigning for 40 years ago?

Fresh water? Increase COLA? Reduction in taxes? Better roads and highways?

Or was it more mundane stuff like democracy, empowerment, equitable distribution of wealth, end to repression and exploitation?

So, pray tell me sir, what are these same politics that happened 40 years ago?

asdfjkl
March 28, 2011, 10:36 PM
I support Pakistan Cricket Team.
I hate India.
I love to watch Indian movie.

1212
March 28, 2011, 10:36 PM
SO "We are still campaigning for the same politics that happened 40 years ago"? Is that a good thing or a bad thing? What was the politics of 40 years ago? What were we campaigning for 40 years ago?

Fresh water? Increase COLA? Reduction in taxes? Better roads and highways?

Or was it more mundane stuff like democracy, empowerment, equitable distribution of wealth, end to repression and exploitation?

So, pray tell me sir, what are these same politics that happened 40 years ago?

Tone it down a little.

How has Bangladesh gone about improving it's infrastructure over the past 40 years?
How have we gone about improving the social welfare of the citizens?
All I see is 2 opposition leaders who are running off the names of their family members and only in it for themselves.
What has Hasina ever done other than talking about Rajjakars and her fathers actions?
You really believe Khaleda and Hasina are campaigning for "democracy, empowerment, equitable distribution of wealth, end to repression and exploitation?"

amar11432
March 28, 2011, 10:39 PM
Lets all build a time machine and send these fools back to 1971, Maybe only then they can see the camaraderie of the Pakistanis.

asdfjkl
March 28, 2011, 10:41 PM
Tone it down a little.

How has Bangladesh gone about improving it's infrastructure over the past 40 years?
How have we gone about improving the social welfare of the citizens?
All I see is 2 opposition leaders who are running off the names of their family members and only in it for themselves.
What has Hasina ever done other than talking about Rajjakars and her fathers actions?
You really believe Khaleda and Hasina are campaigning for "democracy, empowerment, equitable distribution of wealth, end to repression and exploitation?"

Yeah we would be better off with Pakistan
They managed to do better than us in last 40 years

amar11432
March 28, 2011, 10:46 PM
Yeah we would be better of with Pakistan

Of course, The Taliban running the country would be better.

Zunaid
March 28, 2011, 10:46 PM
Tone it down a little.


Pardon?

T
How has Bangladesh gone about improving it's infrastructure over the past 40 years?
How have we gone about improving the social welfare of the citizens?
All I see is 2 opposition leaders who are running off the names of their family members and only in it for themselves.
What has Hasina ever done other than talking about Rajjakars and her fathers actions?
You really believe Khaleda and Hasina are campaigning for "democracy, empowerment, equitable distribution of wealth, end to repression and exploitation?"

Please, I am trying to have a rational discussion with you. Could you care to answer my questions rather than respond with more questions?

I do not care a whit about the two ladies who are alternately running the show and what they do is not the politics of 40 years ago and irrelevant to the issue we are discussing. Non Sequitors absolutely.

magic boy
March 28, 2011, 10:48 PM
we the Muslim Bangladeshi are more sympathetic to Afghanistan/Iraq crisis rather than digging our own history and find out how brutally the case was even worse than Afghanistan/Iraq war.

Moreover, it seems many Pakistan supporters don't want to bring politics into this issue. But they are certainly misunderstanding a point. its not politics between two political party in a country. its NOT Abahoni-Mohammedan thingy. there is something greater meaning exists. 1971`s Freedom Fight was for two totally different nations...so obviously this is not simply BNP-Awami type political conflict.

WE shouldn't support a certain nation's team that once raped my motherland and country people

How hard it is to realize it?

F6_Turbo
March 28, 2011, 10:56 PM
Tone it down a little.

How has Bangladesh gone about improving it's infrastructure over the past 40 years?
How have we gone about improving the social welfare of the citizens?


Bangladesh still has a long long long way to go....but if you don't think this country hasn't improved vastly in the last 40 years, you need to wake up and smell the coffee. And I'm not talking about progress with regards to the idiots who think they're cool because they put HKS decals on their stupid FWD Toyota Corollas.

-Basic education and literacy in this country has improved beyond words
-People dying of hunger was a common sight back then when things got tough, while the destitute will always be a part of our society, it is very very very rare to hear of someone now who died of starvation now.
-Life expectancy has risen
-Infant mortality has gone down
-Connectivity has improved ten fold, I still remembering spending hours on ferries(some still have to)
-Empowerment of women and the poor
-electricity and sanitation have improved
-Tied in to a better standard of life, Healthcare has improved.

and so on and so on....I could probably list another 20 areas Bangladesh is much better off now than it was 40 years ago.

The nation is flawed, just like the people that inhabit it, but throwaway comments like what has improved in the infrastructure/social welfare are not well thought out criticisms.








Then again I suppose we could be more like Pakistan(64 years since partition), getting bombed at the mosque on a weekly basis during Jumma has to be a good thing, as is being considered an international pariah.

1212
March 28, 2011, 10:58 PM
Pardon?



Please, I am trying to have a rational discussion with you. Could you care to answer my questions rather than respond with more questions?

I do not care a whit about the two ladies who are alternately running the show and what they do is not the politics of 40 years ago and irrelevant to the issue we are discussing. Non Sequitors absolutely.

ok. They are running the same politics of 40 years ago because they still have added nothing to Bangladesh other than talking about independence and going after the Rajjakars/Pakistanis till this day. Hence, the politics of "40 years ago." They haven't really added anything new to the country that already wasn't there 40 years ago.

asdfjkl
March 28, 2011, 10:58 PM
WE shouldn't support a certain nation's team that once raped my motherland and country people

How hard it is to realize it?

Religion is thicker than anything
Don't you want to go to heaven?

rinathq
March 28, 2011, 11:06 PM
Tone it down a little.

How has Bangladesh gone about improving it's infrastructure over the past 40 years?
How have we gone about improving the social welfare of the citizens?
All I see is 2 opposition leaders who are running off the names of their family members and only in it for themselves.
What has Hasina ever done other than talking about Rajjakars and her fathers actions?
You really believe Khaleda and Hasina are campaigning for "democracy, empowerment, equitable distribution of wealth, end to repression and exploitation?"

22. Oh God, didn’t wanna be involved in this but 1212’s comment just triggered me… u are speaking like a true Pakistani here “what was Bangladesh achieved from al this blab la bla” Well guess what, if we were part of Pakistan till now, we wouldn’t even exist. We would have been the victim of ethnic cleansing. How has our infrastructure improved? Are you kidding me??? Bangladesh is a MUCH MUCH stronger and better country than Pakistan. It has a growing economy. U speak of Hasina and Khaleda. Well even if they start bombing each other’s houses, the country remains 100 times safer than Pakistan. And how can you even accuse Hasina of bringing back history? You would talk about rajakars too if you lost your whole family because of them! Just make it clear, I absoloutly HATE Bangladeshi political parties, but there are individuals I respect like Bongobondhu because it was him that stood up for us. Supporting a team is fine, bt when someone says we supported them because we were part of them and we are from same background, that’s a Rajakar. If they said, we support them because they are a good team, that was right, that was all good.

rinathq
March 28, 2011, 11:09 PM
Religion is thicker than anything
Don't you want to go to heaven?

Where does it say in Islam to support those who killed millions of people and raped thousands of women?????
<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition

magic boy
March 28, 2011, 11:09 PM
Religion is thicker than anything
Don't you want to go to heaven?
wow!
care to explain how does your question relate to this issue?

so...
In which religion Countrywide mass killing is approved?

In which religion Countrywide Rape mission approved?

In which religion Rooting out intellectuals just before losing the war of a nations so that the nation lag behind for decades is approved?

Heaven is the result of what you & I do on Earth.

1212
March 28, 2011, 11:13 PM
22. Oh God, didn’t wanna be involved in this but 1212’s comment just triggered me… u are speaking like a true Pakistani here “what was Bangladesh achieved from al this blab la bla” Well guess what, if we were part of Pakistan till now, we wouldn’t even exist. We would have been the victim of ethnic cleansing. How has our infrastructure improved? Are you kidding me??? Bangladesh is a MUCH MUCH stronger and better country than Pakistan. It has a growing economy. U speak of Hasina and Khaleda. Well even if they start bombing each other’s houses, the country remains 100 times safer than Pakistan. And how can you even accuse Hasina of bringing back history? You would talk about rajakars too if you lost your whole family because of them! Just make it clear, I absoloutly HATE Bangladeshi political parties, but there are individuals I respect like Bongobondhu because it was him that stood up for us. Supporting a team is fine, bt when someone says we supported them because we were part of them and we are from same background, that’s a Rajakar. If they said, we support them because they are a good team, that was right, that was all good.

Did I ever say we were better off staying with Pakistan? I was stating that our government has failed to be progressive after the independence. People are saying how I can never support a certain cricket team because their people raped our homeland. I don't find that to be progressive talk at all.

rinathq
March 28, 2011, 11:16 PM
Of course you did! What is the difference in saying " what have we accomplished in 40 years" and "we would have been better off with Pakistan"???
Its evident that you are trying to say our country hasn't improved! So the war was pointless!

And people are not saying that! They are saying why does some fans support Pakistan and say that we support them because we were once part of them! It tells us that these people are still attached to the nation despite of what happened. Why do we support a sports team or certain players? Because we like the way they play or out of patriotism. Clearly a Bengali guy being patriotic towards Pakistan is what is WRONG!

<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition

Zunaid
March 28, 2011, 11:19 PM
I am going to go take a breather. I urge everyone to take a breather before you post. Let us be courteous even when we strongly disagree.

Zunaid
March 28, 2011, 11:22 PM
I am going to go take a breather. I urge everyone to take a breather before you post. Let us be courteous even when we strongly disagree.

Read before you write. I said the politicians are still running the same politics of 40 years ago. Not "what have we accomplished in 40 years". And you must be a member of Awami League head office.

I am not allowed to take breathers.

Please, no ad hominem attacks. See last line in quoted para above.

Ad Hominem (Argument To The Man):attacking the person instead of attacking his argument. For example, "Von Daniken's books about ancient astronauts are worthless because he is a convicted forger and embezzler." (Which is true, but that's not why they're worthless.)Another example is this syllogism, which alludes to Alan Turing's homosexuality:Turing thinks machines think.
Turing lies with men.
Therefore, machines don't think.(Note the equivocation (http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#equivocation) in the use of the word "lies".)
A common form is an attack on sincerity. For example, "How can you argue for vegetarianism when you wear leather shoes ?" The two wrongs make a right (http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#you_too) fallacy is related.
A variation (related to Argument By Generalization (http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#generalize)) is to attack a whole class of people. For example, "Evolutionary biology is a sinister tool of the materialistic, atheistic religion of Secular Humanism." Similarly, one notorious net.kook waved away a whole category of evidence by announcing "All the scientists were drunk."
Another variation is attack by innuendo: "Why don't scientists tell us what they really know; are they afraid of public panic ?"
There may be a pretense that the attack isn't happening: "In order to maintain a civil debate, I will not mention my opponent's drinking problem." Or "I don't care if other people say you're [opinionated/boring/overbearing]."
Attacks don't have to be strong or direct. You can merely show disrespect, or cut down his stature by saying that he seems to be sweating a lot, or that he has forgotten what he said last week. Some examples: "I used to think that way when I was your age." "You're new here, aren't you ?" "You weren't breast fed as a child, were you ?" "What drives you to make such a statement ?" "If you'd just listen.." "You seem very emotional." (This last works well if you have been hogging the microphone, so that they have had to yell to be heard.)
Sometimes the attack is on the other person's intelligence. For example, "If you weren't so stupid you would have no problem seeing my point of view." Or, "Even you should understand my next point."
Oddly, the stupidity attack is sometimes reversed. For example, dismissing a comment with "Well, you're just smarter than the rest of us." (In Britain, that might be put as "too clever by half".) This is Dismissal By Differentness. It is related to Not Invented Here (http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#nih) and Changing The Subject (http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#digression).
Ad Hominem is not fallacious if the attack goes to the credibility of the argument. For instance, the argument may depend on its presenter's claim that he's an expert. (That is, the Ad Hominem is undermining an Argument From Authority (http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#expert).) Trial judges allow this category of attacks.

Night_wolf
March 28, 2011, 11:25 PM
after reading some posts here i dont know what to say...

1212
March 28, 2011, 11:27 PM
Mod please delete post. I was working on the post before reading your warning. Didn't see it that time.

amar11432
March 28, 2011, 11:28 PM
ok. They are running the same politics of 40 years ago because they still have added nothing to Bangladesh other than talking about independence and going after the Rajjakars/Pakistanis till this day. Hence, the politics of "40 years ago." They haven't really added anything new to the country that already wasn't there 40 years ago.

WTF r u taking about? As bad as Hasina/Khelada are, they aren't telling the army to kill your brother and father then to rape you sister and mother.

Zunaid
March 28, 2011, 11:30 PM
Mod please delete post. I was working on the post before reading your warning. Didn't see it that time.

I am not speaking as a mod and was not then either. It was also a call to my self to keep things in perspective.

Just because I urged everyone to take a breather should not be the only reason one is courteous and civil. One is civil because that is the right thing to do.

- Again, as myself.

I have recused myself as an admin on this thread. Other admins or mods may do as they see fit.

F6_Turbo
March 28, 2011, 11:31 PM
WTF r u taking about? As bad as Hasina/Khelada are, they aren't telling the army to kill your brother and father then to rape you sister and mother.

Note he says Hasina/AL head office, but makes no reference to Khaleda, so he finds her politics to be progressive.

Accuses others of being members of the AL HQ, that must mean you recently moved out of Cantonment with Khaleda to her new digs.

1212
March 28, 2011, 11:34 PM
Of course you did! What is the difference in saying " what have we accomplished in 40 years" and "we would have been better off with Pakistan"???
Its evident that you are trying to say our country hasn't improved! So the war was pointless!

And people are not saying that! They are saying why does some fans support Pakistan and say that we support them because we were once part of them! It tells us that these people are still attached to the nation despite of what happened. Why do we support a sports team or certain players? Because we like the way they play or out of patriotism. Clearly a Bengali guy being patriotic towards Pakistan is what is WRONG!

<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition

There's nothing wrong with liking good cricket, no matter where it's from. Bangladeshi people do stupid things sometimes, like throwing rocks at the West Indies bus, but that shouldn't mean anything.

rinathq
March 28, 2011, 11:35 PM
Read before you write. I said the politicians are still running the same politics of 40 years ago. Not "what have we accomplished in 40 years". And you must be a member of Awami League head office.

Haha I don't brag about myself but as a Commerce student from a Canadian university, I have the ability to understand simple English sentence! You said the government didn't PROGRESS in 40 years! So you are complaining about the government here indirectly indicating things haven't changed! Besides why are you even bringing politics here? It has NOTHING to do with what our government did or progressed. It's about self respect and dignity!
Me from Awami League office? I am from Canada and living here for last 6 years. I dont care nor do I have any interest in Bangladesh politics. But, What if I am? Let's say I am Hasina"s relative. Did I say anything wrong or supportive of Awami League? Your accusation isn't even valid!
<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition

1212
March 28, 2011, 11:37 PM
Note he says Hasina/AL head office, but makes no reference to Khaleda, so he finds her politics to be progressive.

Accuses others of being members of the AL HQ, that must mean you recently moved out of Cantonment with Khaleda to her new digs.

Go to the first page.

F6_Turbo
March 28, 2011, 11:46 PM
Go to the first page.

I did, and now I'm on to the 2nd page.

Your reference to Khaleda was a sweeping statement, but the crux of your argument, and lack of political progress was aimed at Hasina, you even cited examples...

-Razakars, the deeds of her father

Yet Khaleda got a nothing statement.

You sound like my Uncle, Major Zia'r under-a he rose up very quickly in the Foreign Service, so he probably recites 'BNP, BNP' more often than he recited the 'kalima' everyday.When discussing politics, he will rant on about the AL with his very obvious bias, but to make himself sound neutral, he'll add in a caveat

"Bhai keu bhalo na...ami bolchi naa je, BNP-o khub honest, asholey shob chor"

You've done the same thing here..slipped in Khaleda with a generic put down, but dug your fangs into Hasina/AL and then accused others of being members of their HQ.

That's fine...it is your prerogative to support whoever you wish, but it is facetious of you to try to then pretend like you are making balanced arguments.

Sohel
March 29, 2011, 01:20 AM
From today's DS.

Every year when we celebrate our Independence Day, we come to learn new detail of atrocities committed by the Pakistan army during the nine months until December 16, 1971. New documents and revelations emerge to give us newer pictures of conspiracies and plans and the macabre killings carried out by the Pak hordes.

A number of books have been authored by retired army personnel of Pakistan. Gen.Rao Farman Ali Khan, author of 'How Pakistan got Divided', Gen. AAK Niazi author of 'The betrayal of East Pakistan' and Siddiq Salik, author of 'Witness to Surrender' have one thing in common in their books, that is, "there was no commonality between the two wings except the religion, the eastern wing was deprived of their economic and political rights and that East Pakistan was impoverished…"

You also get information on detailed plans of the genocide that they carried on the Bengalis. The books narrate the meetings and reactions of the high military officials about events in East Pakistan. The intense hatred that Yahya Khan and others harboured against us is evident from the narratives. We were called "black bastards" by some of the high officials.

The American consul-general in the former East Pakistan, Archer K. Blood, wrote "The cruel birth of Pakistan," giving us some interesting information about events in those days. We get first hand knowledge of the political tension that prevailed in both wings of Pakistan. How Mujib went on tackling the notorious West Pakistani military power and the politicians alike. How the concept of "free Bangladesh" took shape and how the notion of Pakistan began eroding.

Locally, we have many books, journals, articles coming out every year to remind us of the dark night and orgy of killing that also maimed so many minds and bodies. Members of the unfortunate families take you back to the times of bullet and blood.

Now is the time to settle accounts. We have our grievances still intact. We have unhealed wounds that we carry in us. We see our mother shedding tears for her son who was brutally bayoneted by the Pak army. We still bear the ignominy of our sisters who fell prey to the lust of the Pak beasts; we still wheel our brothers around who were maimed during the war. We have orphans and widows crying to see the murderers brought to book.

We want an apology, we want a trial.

In a rare development, a few Pakistani politicians and former military officers have been stressing on the importance and moral responsibility of Pakistan to apologise to Bangladesh for the grave sin that it committed against the innocent people of this country. An apology will largely appease the restless minds here and help restore some dignity of the present leadership of Pakistan. Although the damage done is irreparable.

That crime is committed by the invading army during war times is nothing new. In every war, the victors carry out violation of human rights in some form or the other. Tales of brutal killings, perverted acts of violating the women, inhuman treatments to the prisoners of war or untold sufferings meted to the locals are only part of a regular war. It has been happening ever since the concept of war and human rights came into being ...

An Apology is Overdue, READ MORE (http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=179501)

F6_Turbo
March 29, 2011, 01:44 AM
Sounds like The Daily Star Assistant Editor is stuck doing the politics of 40 years ago...He must have gotten that from AL HQ















:rolleyes:

PoorFan
March 29, 2011, 04:37 AM
An apology for genocide and grave sin to a nation/race never fall in 'politics', nor can be put a 'expiry date'. And progressive talks to its true nature only lies beyond that process. Obviously Pakistan and Razakars will do their best to commit crime for the 2nd time, playing 'brotherhood' and 'Islam' card again, knowingly or not, that seems to be their nature, as their history in west, with/against different ethnic and race to-date suggests.

Tiger-ess
March 29, 2011, 05:19 PM
an article from the guardian : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/24/bangladesh-at-40

1212 you should read this, it definitly answers some of your questions about "what Bangladesh had done in the last 40 years".

Alchemist
March 29, 2011, 09:32 PM
People should have some self respect before supporting Pakistan.

স্মৃতিভ্রষ্টতা একটি ব্যাধি১
১৮৫৭, বৃটিশ ভারত। দাবানলের মত সিপাহী বিদ্রোহ ছড়িয়ে পড়েছে মীরাট থেকে দিল্লী পর্যন্ত। অনেক দিনের জমা হওয়া বঞ্চনা আর ক্ষোভের আগুন সিপাহীদের ব্যারাকের বাইরে এসে বিদ্রোহ করতে উদ্ধুদ্ধ করে। তবে পরিকল্পনাহীন বিদ্রোহ মুখ থুবড়ে পড়ে স্বল্প সময়ে। নানা সাহিব সহ কয়েকজনের হঠকারিতায় জিম্মি কয়েকশ ইয়োরোপীয় নারী ও শিশুদের হত্যা করে নিক্ষেপ করা হয় কূপে। প্রতিশোধে উন্মত্ত ব্রিটিশরা এর প্রতিশোধ নেয় দশ বছর ধরে কয়েক লাখ সামরিক-বেসামরিক ভারতীয়কে নির্মমভাবে হত্যা করে। [১]

২০০৭, স্বাধীন ভারত। রক্তক্ষয়ী সেই মহাবিদ্রোহের দেড়শ বছর পূর্তি উদযাপন করে ভারত। এই ঘটনায় নিহত বৃটিশ সৈনিকদের কিছু উত্তর পুরুষ লখনৌ দর্শনে আসতে চায়। কিন্তু ভারতীয় জনতার বিক্ষোভে ভারত সরকার তাদেরকে আসতে বাধা দেয়। পশ্চাৎপদ ভারতীয় জনতা এই গণহত্যা, যে ঘটনায় তাদের তরফ থেকেও কিছু সংশ্লিষ্টতা আছে, দেড়শ বছরেও ভুলে যেতে পারেনি!


১৯৩৯, জার্মান উপদ্রুত পোল্যান্ড। বিপদাপন্ন পোল্যান্ডকে আক্রমণ করে ২২,০০০ পোলিশকে যুদ্ধবন্দি হিসেবে রাশিয়া নিয়ে এসেছে তখনকার পরাশক্তি সোভিয়েত ইউনিয়ন। এই ২২,০০০ এর ৮,০০০ উচ্চপদস্থ সামরিক কর্মকর্তা, বাকিরা ডাক্তার, ইঞ্জিনিয়ার এক কথায় পোল্যান্ডের মস্তিস্কের বড় একটা অংশ। তারপর তাদের আর কোন খোঁজ পাওয়া যায় না চার বছর।

১৯৪৩, কাতিন ফরেস্ট, নাৎসি জার্মানি আক্রান্ত রাশিয়া। নাৎসিদের মাটি খোঁড়া যন্ত্রের সাথে উঠে আসে নিখোঁজ পোলিশদের হাড়গোড়। পরাশক্তি রাশিয়ার দাপটে পুরা বিশ্ব মেনে নেয়, এখানে কোনো গণহত্যা হয়নি। সোভিয়েতের আজ্ঞাবাহী পোলিশ সরকারও মুখ বুজে থাকে, রাশিয়ার বিরুদ্ধে গণহত্যার অভিযোগ তুলা যে কোন পোলিশকে সহ্য করতে হয় অমানষিক নির্যাতন।

২০১০, পুঁচকে পোলিশদের ৭০ বছর ধরে ক্রমাগত চাপের মুখে মাথা নোয়াতে বাধ্য হয় সুপার পাওয়ার রাশিয়া। কী আশ্চর্য, মাত্র ২২,০০০ নিহত পোলিশকে ভুলে যেতে পারেনি বেঁচে থাকা পোলিশরা, এই ৭০ বছরেও! [২]


১৯৭১, পূর্ব পাকিস্তান। আলোচনার নামে টালবাহানা করে পশ্চিম থেকে সৈন্য এনে পুরোটা প্রদেশ বোঝাই করতে থাকে পাকিস্তানী সামরিক জান্তা। অপারেশন সার্চলাইটের নেপথ্যে থাকে পশ্চিম পাকিস্তানের জনপ্রিয় নেতা জুলফিকার ভুট্টো [৩]। ২৫এ মার্চ এ শুরু হওয়া পাকিস্তানীদের বিভৎস গণহত্যায় নিহত হয় ৩০,০০,০০০ নিরীহ বেসামরিক বাংলাদেশি। ধর্ষিত হয় ৩,০০,০০০ এর মত নারী। এক কোটি লোক উদ্বাস্তু হয়ে মানবেতর অবস্থায় আশ্রয় নেয় শরণার্থী শিবিরে। অভ্যন্তরীণ উদ্বাস্তুদের সংখ্যা দাঁড়ায় চার কোটিতে। ১৪ই ডিসেম্বর, জাতির সেরা সন্তানদের ধরে ধরে নিয়ে স্বাধীনতার দ্বারপ্রান্তে দাঁড়ানো বাংলাদেশকে মেধাশূন্য করার হীন মিশন বাস্তবায়ন করে পাকিস্তানি সৈন্যরা।[৪]

জুলফিকার ভুট্টো তার রক্তে ভেজা হাত নেড়ে পাকিস্তানী ভোটারদের সমর্থন আদায় করে চলে মৃত্যুর আগ পর্যন্ত, তার মেয়ের নেতৃত্বে তার দল জনপ্রিয়তা টিকিয়ে রাখে এখনো পর্যন্ত।

২০১১, মিরপুর স্টেডিয়াম, স্বাধীন বাংলাদেশ। পাকিস্তান ক্রিকেট টিমকে সমর্থন জানাতে প্রাণের উচ্ছ্বাসে ভেসে স্টেডিয়ামমুখী অগণিত তরূণ বাংলাদেশি। এই সমর্থন দেখে বিস্মিত ইএসপিএন-এর সাংবাদিকের খেলার সাথে রাজনীতি মিশ্রিত প্রশ্নের উত্তর দিতে গিয়ে কিছু তরুণ চোস্ত ইংরেজিতে বলে উঠে, “We forgot everything”।[৫]

http://www.sachalayatan.com/sajaldash/38259

asdfjkl
March 30, 2011, 12:23 AM
Pakistan atleast did one thing better than Bangladesh
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_pop_totl&tdim=true&dl=en&hl=en&q=world+population#met=sp_pop_totl&idim=country:BGD:PAK

asdfjkl
March 30, 2011, 12:31 AM
wow!
care to explain how does your question relate to this issue?


I don't see any other logical/ethical/valid reason to support pakistan.
Doesn't matter how many time you say "please leave politics out of cricket".
Any Bangladeshi Pakistani Supporter knows deep down why they support Pakistan.

Naimul_Hd
March 30, 2011, 01:39 AM
একটা পতাকা অযথাই লাল (http://www.sachalayatan.com/sajaldash/37934)

sujon
March 30, 2011, 02:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sMg9Ly9nK0g

Whatch this and then tell yourself from the deep bottom of your heart: should I wave the paki flag and paint it in my chicks?

Zeeshan
March 30, 2011, 04:15 PM
This video was too long. Naveed's comedy...or lackof thereof, lost me. However, I did catch snippets of it in facebook and finally I agree with the anti-Pakistanis sentiments. This is wrong. These clowns with their warped English are clearly misguided.

Rifat
March 30, 2011, 04:31 PM
Question: If you had the honor, if you had the privilege to punish War criminals of 1971, how would you go about doing it?

Alchemist
March 31, 2011, 10:56 PM
Question: If you had the honor, if you had the privilege to punish War criminals of 1971, how would you go about doing it?

Rifat bhai

Why are you asking this question?

There were tribunals to punish the war criminals from the 2nd world war and the Bosnian war along with others. Many victims and criminals from our liberation war are still alive and should get justice from their standpoints.

The tough part would be to punish the Pakistani nationals once the trial starts. But, we should make an honest attempt to do it, if we want to repay our loans to the Shahids (who sacrificed their lives in 1971). The sad part is, with our bunch of incompetent politicians, it's getting tougher day by day.

Some ignorant people say, it's better to forget the past. That's exactly why they are ignorant. Allah has given intellect to us to remember the past and not to live like animals.

Allah helps those who helps themselves.

Rifat
April 1, 2011, 08:57 PM
Rifat bhai

Why are you asking this question?

There were tribunals to punish the war criminals from the 2nd world war and the Bosnian war along with others. Many victims and criminals from our liberation war are still alive and should get justice from their standpoints.

The tough part would be to punish the Pakistani nationals once the trial starts. But, we should make an honest attempt to do it, if we want to repay our loans to the Shahids (who sacrificed their lives in 1971). The sad part is, with our bunch of incompetent politicians, it's getting tougher day by day.

Some ignorant people say, it's better to forget the past. That's exactly why they are ignorant. Allah has given intellect to us to remember the past and not to live like animals.

Allah helps those who helps themselves.

Because innocent people suffered already. enough is enough, one spark of fire can lead to volcano. we don't and should by any means imitate those who unjustly committed genocide against our race(well, language to be more precise).

The reason why I am asking this is because how we punish and deal with this issue will truly reveal our Bangladeshi Justice System and whether truly have we been able to live up to our independence... and where we stand in terms of judgment as a nation. it is also worth noting why these same politicians get elected over and over again.

when a dog bites, do you bite back? when a dog barks do you bark back? I am not by any means suggesting forgetting but what i am suggesting is that if we do take this all too important task seriously then we should learn from mistakes made by our predecessors from the past...i.e.: blame/kill/hate people who are not responsible for the act.

Alchemist bro, Brilliant post btw :up:

AhmedN
April 1, 2011, 09:28 PM
No real freedom when those war criminals are walking on the streets, working in the high level of the government, and involved in the media to derail our nation even some of them cannot speak Bangla.

NoName
April 9, 2011, 08:04 PM
We should deal with those Razakars before even thinking of having those Pakistani war criminals, unlikely we will ever get our hands on them, as they provided most of the intel to the Pakistani Army. Our countrymen has just as much as blame as the Pakistani government.