Why we Should not relax after this batting Performance

[Night_wolf]

1st of all Our Batsmen Played well today so kudos to them:applause:...because of them this match looks like a fighting one but sadly in reality still we lost by 66 runs..But hay that can happen..it was a huge score to chase and we could have bundled out to a lower score..many team can!..we didn't and fought and tried..so kudos again!

But Now look at this game in prospective of this..We are a test playing country and playing for 10 years now..So every match we play we should look for a win..here a defeat is a defeat for us...there is no Honor in defeat for Us cause of our test playing status..Plz dont tell that we r #9 and they are #1..thats siddons talk..do u really want to keep ur level this low?..and relax and admire this 66 run defeat?...

plz dont get me wrong..i am not totally happy with this match but i am not disappointed with this match either given our team condition..i am just pointing out that this is a defeat in the end of 66 runs which is a big margin and we should not be satisfied with this..let not keep our level to "somman jonok porajoy" any more...we came out of that era and lets not get back to that...

[shakibrulz]

Why aren't any thread opened about the bowling performance? It really surprises me how often batsmen are bashed and termed sissies, but bowlers manage to get away with it?

[Yasin.]

It will be disappointing if they 'relax' after this performance. Did you guys win? No. End of story. Because everyone will remember the result. Train hard, take the positives that we can score like this every day, every match. Make this a habit. And WIN.

[Night_wolf]

Why aren't any thread opened about the bowling performance? It really surprises me how often batsmen are bashed and termed sissies, but bowlers manage to get away with it?

usually our bowling isn't out of from for very long time...thats the reason...bowling will bounce back...but its the batting that let us down most of the time..so when ever we get chance we Bash and praise the Batting

[munnabhai]

Why aren't any thread opened about the bowling performance? It really surprises me how often batsmen are bashed and termed sissies, but bowlers manage to get away with it?

I am willing to take the bullet and open the thread, any suggestion for thread title?

[SS]

Players mentality will change but they also have to back the confidence showing up with their performances. Our domestric structure and cricket management/selection policy needs to change to create that environment for the players. I am amazed to see in IPL all players are giving 100% on the other hand it seems our players are already tired and thinking about taking big breaks...few might join the league but what more they can achieve joining the same type of league that they are playing for all these years. It's is so hard to revolutionize our cricket structure and keep politics out of it. These three months break is perfect time to start the restructuring and no time for relaxation.

[cricket_dorshok]

let not keep our level to "somman jonok porajoy" any more...we came out of that era and lets not get back to that...

really????

[bd fan]

positive of this series: mahmudullah hit like his first six of his life lol

[Murad]

They should relax. Go to parties. Eat as much as they can.

[F6_Turbo]

I am willing to take the bullet and open the thread, any suggestion for thread title?

yup,

what are some acronyms for 'pace attack', because nothing about our pace bowling says attack...

The players we have masquerading as 'bowlers' aren't actually bowlers...more like sacrifices made to the Cricket Gods.

Something for everyone to feast upon.

[Baundule]

Night_wolf, share your feeling. Good post.

[amar11432]

They should relax. Go to parties. Eat as much as they can.

well not tamim or else we will all learn the true meaning of the word Plus-Size

[Raynman]

I think the following should be our ODI team in the post-Siddons era:

Tamim
Imrul (the one from the 3rd ODI, if 2nd ODI guy comes back then bring back Zunaed)
Nafees
Mahmadullah (This is a good spot for him)
Shakib
Kapali / Hom
Dhiman (mushfiq as backup)
+ 3 pacers
2 from (Mashrafe/Shafiul/Rubel)
1 from (Nazmul/Rasel)
Razzak/Shuvo (only one, not both)

Give Mashrafe, Nazmul and Shafiul time on the nets to become more handy with the bat.

With this you have 7 bowling options and all spin is not SLA, a compotent keeper, players that match the role and a batting line up that is deep.

[Night_wolf]

really????

yes really..and if you dis agree with that then plz discard 2011 and see 2009-2010 barring the asia cup

[Rubu]

Only Kayes and Ryad played well. This was a dreadful series does not matter how you look at it.

I don't understand why the question of relax is even in the horizon.

If someone opened a thread like "please don't shoot them all, right away" I would understand more.

[CricFreaky]

We lost again by 61+ runs ; Wow !!!!!!!! What a loss again ;

[Night_wolf]

Only Kayes and Ryad played well. This was a dreadful series does not matter how you look at it.

I don't understand why the question of relax is even in the horizon.

If someone opened a thread like "please don't shoot them all, right away" I would understand more.

may be my Thread title is distracting..should have written we should not praise them more than what they deserve after this(todays) batting performance...over time i have seen some people and our players forget all past smacking and start nachanachi after one good batting performance..i tried to explain in the OP

u r a moderator plz change the thread title if u think it needs more clarification:)

[Baundule]

I think the following should be our ODI team in the post-Siddons era:

Tamim
Imrul (the one from the 3rd ODI, if 2nd ODI guy comes back then bring back Zunaed)
Nafees
Mahmadullah (This is a good spot for him)
Shakib
Kapali / Hom
Dhiman (mushfiq as backup)
+ 3 pacers
2 from (Mashrafe/Shafiul/Rubel)
1 from (Nazmul/Rasel)
Razzak/Shuvo (only one, not both)

Give Mashrafe, Nazmul and Shafiul time on the nets to become more handy with the bat.

With this you have 7 bowling options and all spin is not SLA, a compotent keeper, players that match the role and a batting line up that is deep.
I was thinking the same. If SN does not perform, I will take Hom or any in form batsman who can bowl(not Junaed or Aftab) with Shakib/Riyadh/Alok batting at 3-5. Shakib and Razzak can be the two spinners with Riyadh and Alok as other options. 3 pacers and Hom are pace options. Any out of form player should be replaced by an in form one able to play the same role from the A team or NCL or Academy or things like that.

[Shaan]

ok, at last we broke the shackle of continuous nightmares which continues from WC to even 2nd ODI of this series which at some moment put us rethink that are we again going backwards, are we really a weak team, crap like any other associates, but today's performance brought back a sigh of relief. And I guess Night Wolf was pointing that, if i'm correct. I'm feeling relaxed too, that doesn't mean that our players should get carried away, they should work hard on physical fitness and more on temperament..

[revolver]

So much irony on the title thread
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[Ashfaq]

While agreeing with OP, I'd like to add that a performance such as today's is exactly what was needed for our team to come out of the shadows of a failed World Cup.

In this series, the part that disappointed me most is a lack of courage and fire in the belly of our tigers. In any way they are looked at, our performance in the first two matches were entirely limp. From what I saw, I felt that our cricketers were being fearful, tentative. But today, the Watsons blitz has finally shocked them in action. The moment Tamim's flick off Johnson reached the boundary, one could feel the metaphorical shackles crumbling.

We may have lost, but hopefully we have regained our character, which is the most vital part of our cricket.

[Ashfaq]

Only Kayes and Ryad played well. This was a dreadful series does not matter how you look at it.

I don't understand why the question of relax is even in the horizon.

If someone opened a thread like "please don't shoot them all, right away" I would understand more.

How can you forget Mushfiq? Until today, he was the Loincloth protecting our modesty while the Australian Gale took away everything else.

[M.H.Rubel]

Yes it was a very good show.Riyad played really well.So our opening problem solved my tamim imrul.SN solved the #3.Riyad new edition for #4.Mushy trying hard to fill up the #6.Now if Kapali can fill up the #7 then it will be my dream team.
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[Rifat]

for some reason i am not that satisfied with Shahriar Nafees, despite the fact that he has two back to back fifties. for some reason he doesn't look that class of a batsmen he once used to be. again, I might be proven wrong. He looks a bit shaky these days.

same goes for Kapali. I guess these guys are still very nervous coming back to the team after such a long time.

:sigh:

[M.H.Rubel]

for some reason i am not that satisfied with Shahriar Nafees, despite the fact that he has two back to back fifties. for some reason he doesn't look that class of a batsmen he once used to be. again, I might be proven wrong. He looks a bit shaky these days.

same goes for Kapali. I guess these guys are still very nervous coming back to the team after such a long time.

:sigh:

Yes SN is still a bit rusty.There are lot of players in the world who have poor technique and they look ugly when they bat.Imrul is a good example.Lot of people here said Imrul is a junk its not possible for him to become an opener but Imrul proving everybody wrong.Same goes for SN.His technique is not good at all with poor footwork.But he is a smart cricketer very hardworking fighter.He knows his limitations he tries to fight within his limitation.He have good reflex and timing.A good spin player.Whenever he is in the crease he ll not look good during shots but he ll give you runs.That i care most.
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[cricket_king]

Man some of you guys are nuts. This Dhiman guy should NOT be replacing Mushy in the top order. That is a HUGE step backward. If Dhiman comes in, he should take over one of our pathetic left-arm "spinner's" spots. Because in all honesty, his batting is equivalent to Mushy's keeping. Simply put, Dhiman sucks.

[Tiger444]

^I gotta say man, you are 1 blunt person haha. It's good though. Anyways, I believe that Dhiman should first be tried out in the A team before being tried out in the national team. To be honest, he should have been there over Saghir.

[tiger_army]

Good batting performance but still long way to go...
things we need to do now-
Determine the weak points- such as

ROK (he had enough chance, so he need to go for a while) bring back Junaid or Juhurl and keep trying with them for a longer period.

No 7 batsman, I am not positive about kapali, but then give him more chance at least for next 2 series to prove himself. if he can prove himself that will solve our no 7 issue.

Fast bowling. I think our Fast bowling is not upto standard. Mash is the best but he is not always fit. Give Shafi and Rubel more chance but we need should keep swapping them around with nazmul, Rasel or any new bowlers to find the perfect ones.

[BANFAN]

1st of all Our Batsmen Played well today so kudos to them:applause:...because of them this match looks like a fighting one but sadly in reality still we lost by 66 runs..But hay that can happen..it was a huge score to chase and we could have bundled out to a lower score..many team can!..we didn't and fought and tried..so kudos again!

But Now look at this game in prospective of this..We are a test playing country and playing for 10 years now..So every match we play we should look for a win..here a defeat is a defeat for us...there is no Honor in defeat for Us cause of our test playing status..Plz dont tell that we r #9 and they are #1..thats siddons talk..do u really want to keep ur level this low?..and relax and admire this 66 run defeat?...

plz dont get me wrong..i am not totally happy with this match but i am not disappointed with this match either given our team condition..i am just pointing out that this is a defeat in the end of 66 runs which is a big margin and we should not be satisfied with this..let not keep our level to "somman jonok porajoy" any more...we came out of that era and lets not get back to that...

That sums up, the feelings of most of the fans of "JS Era" of "somman jonok porajoy" - We decided mostly by team's rankings before the series/match, wheather we should play to win or "somman jonok porajoy"

[Baundule]

for some reason i am not that satisfied with Shahriar Nafees, despite the fact that he has two back to back fifties. for some reason he doesn't look that class of a batsmen he once used to be. again, I might be proven wrong. He looks a bit shaky these days.

same goes for Kapali. I guess these guys are still very nervous coming back to the team after such a long time.

:sigh:
I am not happy either with SN's batting. I think, he is afraid of his place in the team and so played for himself.

Man some of you guys are nuts. This Dhiman guy should NOT be replacing Mushy in the top order. That is a HUGE step backward. If Dhiman comes in, he should take over one of our pathetic left-arm "spinner's" spots. Because in all honesty, his batting is equivalent to Mushy's keeping. Simply put, Dhiman sucks.
That's interesting. Some guy named Dhiman Ghosh is scoring centuries in the on-going national league.

[PoorFan]

In 2011 WC against India, we were heading to a 320+ innings, but ended up 290+, and in this game against Aus we did the same. And while bowling ... we are also having same mistake [bowling wideish, Legish, shortish, no yorkers etc.] over and over again. There are lots of mini/micro mistakes in every game, every player making, which is painful to watch those happening repeatedly.

For example, Shakib the captain, the most responsible ... plays pre-determined/totally uncontrolled scoop/paddle shot in every series [at least more than once] to get out in a wrong moment, making wrong calculation/judgement, just for couple easy runs instead of working hard and wait for right moment, leaving the team in despair. Same old Ash like disease which is painful to watch in every series. Undoubtly, in other big cricket nations, those repeated mistakes would be suicidal, but our morons are so lucky always to get away with it.

A coach can train/advise in net, but those players must have to work on and master those skill/technique while playing in local games. But yet we see same old mistakes in every series, means those idiots are not actually learning, or does not know what learning actually means.

[Only1raz]

I was thinking the same. If SN does not perform, I will take Hom or any in form batsman who can bowl(not Junaed or Aftab) with Shakib/Riyadh/Alok batting at 3-5. Shakib and Razzak can be the two spinners with Riyadh and Alok as other options. 3 pacers and Hom are pace options. Any out of form player should be replaced by an in form one able to play the same role from the A team or NCL or Academy or things like that.


The line up we had yesterday was probably our best but I would make one change

1. Tamim Iqbal
2. Imrul Kayes (from yesterday)
3. Shahriar Nafees
4. Mahmudullah Riyad (the best person for this position)
5. Shakib Al Hasan ( c )
6. Mushfiqur Rahim
7. Farhad Reza (power hitter for power play he can strike the ball really well, decent bowler and deserves another chance)
8. Mashrafe Mortaza
9. Shafiul Islam
10. Abdur Razzak
11. ? Rubel & Shuvo really need to improve their bowling for a spot in the team. My ideal candidate would be Nasir Hossain

[shakibrulz]

Agree with Reza, but he should replace Shafiul in ODIs. Rubel should be a regular imo, he has great potential to be a good ODI bowler. Shafiul should only play if Mash is not fully fit imo.

[zainab]

BCB should hire a fast bowling coach as soon as possible. Why should Shafiul be dropped? He has potential and should be trained and groomed well and should not be dropped by the wayside. He is hardworking and I am sure with the proper guidance, he can overtake Mash as the leading bowler one day.

[simon]

The way Mushy & SN btted in this series don't know how Jahurul & Junaid will get back,
but I'd rather drop ALok for Junaid if not Jahurul.
Alok will hardly get a chance to bowl,so no need of him.

[bd fan]

we need to look for replacements for mushfiqur and mahmudullah for the T20 team. I was a bit dissapointed with mahmudullah. I thought he had muscles and would be able to hit from the first few balls, but it seems that he has to settle in and then he can accelerate a little against the spinners in the powerplay and then end up with a SR of 100ish

when i was watching him play in the 3rd Odi i actually wanted him to get out because i thought shafiul and mortaza would be more able to find the boundary and we'd have a higher chance of coming close to winning.

[t@req]

I would like to see this line-up now :)

Tamim Iqbal - Imrul Kayes
S Nafees
M Riyad
Sakib Al Hasan
Alok Kapali
Dhiman Ghosh / M Rahim
Farhad Reza (Pace All-rounder)
Mashrafee Mortaza
Shafiul Islam / Rubel Hossain
Abdur Razzaq / S Shuvo

12th Man: Naim Islam / Junaid Siddique

No more Roqibul please.

[max410]

BD does have powerful hitters and they don't have the physical strength's the Aussies which was the difference here .. and the height as well , and obviously Aussies are a better side they won the world cup 4 times their record says they are better players they have better domestic cricket structure than anyone else..

[Fazal]

A coach can train/advise in net, but those players must have to work on and master those skill/technique while playing in local games. But yet we see same old mistakes in every series, means those idiots are not actually learning, or does not know what learning actually means.

Here is my two cents...

A strong willed and disciplinary coach can also discipline a player by different ways (i.e. excluding him for the next game). These players are no different than us, if we have weak boss and get an indication that we can get away with something, we will try to get away with anything knowing that there will be no punishment for repeated offenders.

So yes these players are professional, they should not make same mistake repeatedly... but if they does, the coach has a role to play so that the message is sent to the team that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated. There's where I see coach as part of the problem, not enforcing his power and playing like an innocent victim.

[lamisa]

they should relax for a week or so and then get back in the ncl and wait till the new coach comes. tarpor abaar full on training.