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Banglaguy
June 28, 2011, 05:22 PM
lol,Bangladesh er cheye England er muslimra beshi namazi,Sakib tader chape poira.....:-D

just kidding but it's true,if u go to Eng or SA u will see how religious they r.

Bangladesh isn't a very religious country, and has interpreted a lot of it wrong.

Tiger Manc
June 29, 2011, 07:10 AM
Bangladesh isn't a very religious country, and has interpreted a lot of it wrong.

ditto

akabir77
June 29, 2011, 07:36 AM
Bangladesh isn't a very religious country, and has interpreted a lot of it wrong.

please don't portrait wrong picture of bangladesh by looking at bunch of people from dhaka. You could say we are not ex-trim like people from London but don't say we are not religious...

Banglaguy
June 29, 2011, 07:37 AM
please don't portrait wrong picture of bangladesh by looking at bunch of people from dhaka. You could say we are not ex-trim like people from London but don't say we are not religious...

Have you heard of this thing called Shob e borat? It is complete nonsense.

nakedzero
June 29, 2011, 08:01 AM
Have you heard of this thing called Shob e borat? It is complete nonsense.


This is not nonsense but BD te jebhabe celebrate kora hoy, most probably it's wrong. Allah knows the best.

Banglaguy
June 29, 2011, 08:04 AM
This is not nonsense but BD te jebhabe celebrate kora hoy, most probably it's wrong. Allah knows the best.

Can I explain NZB (lol).

Shab-e-Barat’ is observed with due solemnity and religious fervor in different parts of the world. Specially in this subcontinent, the night is observed as an age old celebration. Although the references as to observance of ‘Shab-e-Barat’ in the Holy Hadith are regarded as weak injunctions, but the night draws a large number of devotees to salat, fasting, ziarat, poor feeding, sweet distribution and more!

Devoted Muslims of only Bangladesh, India, Pakistan and Afghanistan celebrate the ‘Shab-e-Barat’ on the 15th day of Shaban (the eighth month of the Islamic lunar calendar). Although this night is not celebrated in any other Muslim land. ‘Shab-e-Barat’, also known as ‘Laylatul Barat’ or ‘Laylatul Nusfmin Shaban’, is a traditional Islamic day of festival and worship in the South Asia. According to the ascetic Muslims, this is the day of divine benediction. Offering prayers and fasting in this particular day is said to have greater acceptance from God.

But if one traces back the root of this prestigious night, one might come up with the fact that “No” verse of the Holy Quran has any indication pointing to the existence of any such an occasion called ‘Shab-e-Barat’. The result is same if one goes through the authentic ‘Ahadeeth’ (plural of Hadeeth), which is the sayings or doings of our great Prophet Muhammad. Nothing firm and reliable has been established on the authority of the Prophet that he held nigh vigil prayer and fasted during the day of the 15th of ‘Shaban’. So, the night of the 15th of ‘Shaban’ is like any other night, and if someone regularly observes acts of worship during other nights, then he may hold night vigil prayer on this night without assuming anything special.

It should be noted that an Islamic celebration must have its evidences in the two penultimate sources of Islam, the Quran and the Hadeeth. According to the Islamic creed, none has the right to innovate a way of worship. Only the God and his messenger, our great Prophet, hold the right to set such an occasion.

In Islam, if there is no authentic proof in an act then the act is regarded as an innovation and all innovations are misguidance. So, what we can finally tell is that, though this celebration will be observed with utmost respect by the contemporary Muslim society here in the subcontinent, but one should really think seriously about what it is all about.

roman
June 29, 2011, 08:10 AM
Brother Shafi, whats your stance on Milad? and Eid-e-miladunnabi?

Banglaguy
June 29, 2011, 08:15 AM
It is wrong, as you should not be celebrating the birthday of the Prophet, as he himself did not celebrate it.

We praise and thank Him for having blessed us with the light of certainty, and for having granted us strength and courage to continuously hold fast to His strong rope. These favours are all out of His Bounty and Grace. We testify that there is no deity besides Almighty Allah, Who is alone, and has no partner or associates, and that, without doubt, our Beloved Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the Servant and Messenger of Allah, the Leader of those who are first and those who are last. May Allah send His Salaams and Blessings upon him, his Household and Progeny, his Companions and those who follow their path until the Day of Judgement (ridwanullahi ta'ala ajma'in).

Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala says in the Holy Qur'an: "O ye who believe! Fear Allah, and (always) say a word directed to the Right".

Allah's Messenger (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Whoever believes in Allah and the Hereafter should either say what is good, or otherwise remain silent".

It is every Muslim's duty to show people the truth in anticipation that they would follow it clearly and evidently and certainly not blindly. For truth is as clear as the sun in broad daylight. This brief introduction is due to what we have been hearing recently, as far as the celebration of the birthday of our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is concerned. Falsehood is regretabally attributed to such a noble event and mischief is stated as to the illegitimacy of celebrating such an esteemed occasion. Thus leaving ordinary people in a state of confusion not knowing whether they should partake in celebrating the event or otherwise. This is so, since the people who raise objection to the Meelad feel that they are at liberty to fabricate events in Islamic history and the traditions of our Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam).

Therefore, we felt that it is incumbent upon us, and upon those who possess knowledge of Shari'ah, to clearly explain to the Muslim masses the truth about Meelad.

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Whoever brings forth an innovation into our religion which is not part of it, it is rejected".

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) also said: "Beware of inventive matters for every invention is an innovation and every innovation is evil".

Those who quote these two Ahadith claim that the word "Kul" which means "EVERY" or "ALL" which is mentioned in the above two Ahadith is used to include everything, i.e. all kinds of innovations or "Bid'ah" without any exception. They conclude therefore, that all innovations are "evil".

By stating such an ill-fated statement, they have in fact accused the scholars (Ulema) of the Muslim World of committing "evil" innovations, particularly Hadrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu). However, they quickly respond and say: No, we did not mean the Companions (Sahaba Ikraam). In reply to that we say, yes, indeed you did so, because you said "every" or "all" innovations are "evil".

And you have rejected what the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) himself approved, i.e."Tarawih Prayers".

We will now quote before you many actions which were not carried out during the life of Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) but were in fact done following his demise by his Companions (ridwanullahi ta'ala ajma'in).

MohammedC
June 29, 2011, 08:19 AM
^^^ guys you need to discuss this in fc section.

Just a word of advice. Religion is our weakness and sometime it's better to keep it away from Internet discussion as some people will have views that you don't want to hear. That's why you normally don't see me in religious discussion
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Night_wolf
June 29, 2011, 08:32 AM
^^^ guys you need to discuss this in fc section.

Just a word of advice. Religion is our weakness and sometime it's better to keep it away from Internet discussion as some people will have views that you don't want to hear. That's why you normally don't see me in religious discussion
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:up:

firstlane
June 29, 2011, 08:33 AM
It is wrong, as you should not be celebrating the birthday of the Prophet, as he himself did not celebrate it.


Should we not watch cricket as well?

MarufH
June 29, 2011, 09:48 AM
^^^ guys you need to discuss this in fc section.

Just a word of advice. Religion is our weakness and sometime it's better to keep it away from Internet discussion as some people will have views that you don't want to hear. That's why you normally don't see me in religious discussion
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Religion is NOT our weakness. Our "iman" is weak, hence we are scared to talk about religion. I'm not gonna get into the details as I do agree, this is a cricket forum and we should not talk about religion here.

roman
June 29, 2011, 10:03 AM
Religion is NOT our weakness. Our "iman" is weak, hence we are scared to talk about religion. I'm not gonna get into the details as I do agree, this is a cricket forum and we should not talk about religion here.
This is not about the strength of our Iman. Its about our knowledge. We do not have enough knowledge about Islam or any religion to begin with and thats why we are scared to get into any kind of discussions.

RazabQ
June 29, 2011, 04:20 PM
Moved here from the TIK thread.

Zunaid
June 29, 2011, 04:26 PM
Good job, Razab.

Ridiculous amount of religious xenophobia these days.

Banglaguy
June 29, 2011, 05:39 PM
Good job, Razab.

Ridiculous amount of religious xenophobia these days.

:( I'm not xenophobic

RazabQ
June 29, 2011, 06:03 PM
@Banglaguy - then why make that Kapali comment???

Banglaguy
June 29, 2011, 06:07 PM
@Banglaguy - then why make that Kapali comment???

Sorry bro, that was rude, and a spur of the moment thing. Please accept my humble apologies, as I now am feeling bad for my comment.

Alien
June 29, 2011, 10:27 PM
Banglaguy raised some valid point. But it must be noted that not all "inventions" are necesarily bad. The excessive celebration during Shob-e-barat" is something I personally don't like. Others like Milads are ok, I can't find fault with it. There is worse distortions going on with our religion these days then nitpick on little things like Milad and Shob-e-Barat.

But we should take steps to eradicate some practices/beliefs that are prevalent only in South Asian muslim community and have no place in Quran/Hadith and wider Islamic community. Such as:

1) Must not sleep with feet facing west
2) must face west when reciting Quran
...

Zeeshan
June 29, 2011, 10:29 PM
ammii bhalo asi...

kafer hoisi...karo sathe pache nai...nijer life nijei lead kori

Isnaad
June 30, 2011, 12:42 AM
And Allah knows best. It is always better to avoid 'Bidaah' (Innovation) and stick to the Quran and Sunnah. In Bangladesh, so many ill practices exist. Some of note-
1. The Sense of 'Mazar' in Bangladesh and people worshipping the 'so-called' Pirs in a Mazar (Nawuzubillah).
2. Lighting Graveyards.
3. The 'Orosh shommelon' and ' Ashek-e Rasul'.
And there are many other major sins that we must eradicate from the societies. Honestly speaking, many people in our country don't avail the straight path to Jannah but are always busy with activities that are highly controversial in the light of 'Islamic Shariah'.
Let Allah bless us all and show us the true path. Ameen.

Zeeshan
June 30, 2011, 12:45 AM
isnaad ki new york-er recent legislation pash korar por obhotor ta dila naki....

j/k....guessing you are the red one.

Isnaad
June 30, 2011, 01:03 AM
isnaad ki new york-er recent legislation pash korar por obhotor ta dila naki....

j/k....guessing you are the red one.

obhotor? Lol you meant avatar I assume..! And apparently both the boys in my avy are red so you need to be more specific. :-P And no it was given way before that legalization and has nothing to do with New York.
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asdfjkl
June 30, 2011, 01:25 AM
seems it is a good place to ask the question:

source: http://alaska.org/when-to-visit.jsp

June 21 is the longest day of the year, with 19 hours of daylight in Anchorage, 22 in Fairbanks, and 18 in Southeast. But from early May through September, days are considerably longer than at lower latitudes.
Alaska's sky is light nearly all night long from late May to late July (unless you're out and about at 3am). And it's light past 10pm for another month on either side of that.

During ramadan (when coincide with this period), muslims has to fast 18 to 22 hours for 30 days in a row

Is there any exception(like during travel) for the muslim want to live in alaska or anywhere in the world with similar latitude range?

Alien
June 30, 2011, 07:19 AM
And Allah knows best. It is always better to avoid 'Bidaah' (Innovation) and stick to the Quran and Sunnah. In Bangladesh, so many ill practices exist. Some of note-
1. The Sense of 'Mazar' in Bangladesh and people worshipping the 'so-called' Pirs in a Mazar (Nawuzubillah).
2. Lighting Graveyards.
3. The 'Orosh shommelon' and ' Ashek-e Rasul'.
And there are many other major sins that we must eradicate from the societies. Honestly speaking, many people in our country don't avail the straight path to Jannah but are always busy with activities that are highly controversial in the light of 'Islamic Shariah'.
Let Allah bless us all and show us the true path. Ameen.

Every innovation needs to be looked at on a case by case basis. Mazar worships are definitely bad and is another product of rural areas. One cant tag all innovations with same brush.
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Banglaguy
June 30, 2011, 07:21 AM
Banglaguy raised some valid point. But it must be noted that not all "inventions" are necesarily bad.
...

Seriously? It is haram, and it goes against the pure principles of Islam.

Banglaguy
June 30, 2011, 07:23 AM
seems it is a good place to ask the question:

source: http://alaska.org/when-to-visit.jsp

June 21 is the longest day of the year, with 19 hours of daylight in Anchorage, 22 in Fairbanks, and 18 in Southeast. But from early May through September, days are considerably longer than at lower latitudes.
Alaska's sky is light nearly all night long from late May to late July (unless you're out and about at 3am). And it's light past 10pm for another month on either side of that.

During ramadan (when coincide with this period), muslims has to fast 18 to 22 hours for 30 days in a row

Is there any exception(like during travel) for the muslim want to live in alaska or anywhere in the world with similar latitude range?

During travel, it is haram to fast during ones travel.


According to Islamic sharia, a traveler is normally a person who travels from his home to another town or place with the intention of staying there for less than 10 days.
Fasting by a traveler during the month of Ramadan is haram.
If you start your journey after Zawal time (Islamic mid-day) in Ramadan, then it is wajib to complete fasting for that day.
If you start your journey before Zawal time in Ramadan, then it is wajib to start fast on that day, and then your fast will automatically break after you have traveled a certain distance from your home town.
If you were traveling, and you return to your home (or arrive at a place where you are going to stay for 10 days or more) after Zawal time (Islamic mid-day) in Ramadan, then you can not fast on that day, but it is Mustahab to respect fasting on that day. You have to do Qaza fast for that day and all fasts missed during traveling.
If you were traveling, and you return to your home (or arrive at a place where you are going to stay for10 days or more) before Zawal time (Islamic mid-day) in Ramadan, and if you have not done anything which breaks fast, then it is wajib to keep fast for that day. However if you have
done anything which breaks fast, then you can not fast on that day, but it is Mustahab to respect fasting on that day, and you have to do Qaza fast for that day afterwards.
If you are a traveler during the month of Ramadan, and staying somewhere for less than 10 days, then you can not keep even any other fast (Mustahab fast or Qaza fast of previous Ramadan) during those days.

Isnaad
June 30, 2011, 08:01 AM
Every innovation needs to be looked at on a case by case basis. Mazar worships are definitely bad and is another product of rural areas. One cant tag all innovations with same brush.
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Regarding Shab e Barat and Shab e Meraj, on these days people in our country do cross limits at times. But the sense of Shab e Barat and Shab e Meraj is not haram at all. Many activities carried out by the ppl during these days are Bidaah. So, directly tagging Shab e Barat and Shab e Meraaj as Bidaah will be inappropriate. But there is no doubt, all Bidaah activities are Haraam.
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roman
June 30, 2011, 08:24 AM
Shab e meraj is not an innovation Insaad. Its the night when our prophet went to visit our lord. He spoke to Allah and their exchange of words is what we receite at our prayers (Atta hiyatu).

Isnaad
June 30, 2011, 08:47 AM
Shab e meraj is not an innovation Insaad. Its the night when our prophet went to visit our lord. He spoke to Allah and their exchange of words is what we receite at our prayers (Atta hiyatu).

Yes exactly! And that is the point I tried to make if you read my post you'd understand. My point was, Banglaguy needs to assess things before making observations. In the end, Allah knows best.
Btw, roman bro, its Isnaad not Insaad :)
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roman
June 30, 2011, 08:51 AM
Yes exactly! And that is the point I tried to make if you read my post you'd understand. My point was, Banglaguy needs to assess things before making observations. In the end, Allah knows best.
Btw, roman bro, its Isnaad not Insaad :)

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sorry Isnaad it was a typo :)

My understanding was Shab e barat is innovation..

Zunaid
June 30, 2011, 09:38 AM
Why are so many people getting so hung-up about rites and rituals instead adhering to the essence of most faiths - be good, do good?
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lamisa
June 30, 2011, 10:42 AM
5 waqt namaz porle, haram kajer theke biroto thakle (having pig meat, alcohol, committing adultery, murder, etc etc), Quran sharif porle, thik moto rija rakle, zakat dile ar parle Hajj korlei toh chole. why make life so complicated?

shaad
June 30, 2011, 02:05 PM
Why are so many people getting so hung-up about rites and rituals instead adhering to the essence of most faiths - be good, do good?

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You know why, Z -- how else can they feel superior to others?

Banglaguy
June 30, 2011, 02:25 PM
5 waqt namaz porle, haram kajer theke biroto thakle (having pig meat, alcohol, committing adultery, murder, etc etc), Quran sharif porle, thik moto rija rakle, zakat dile ar parle Hajj korlei toh chole. why make life so complicated?

Forgot covering ones hair, lowering the Gaze, giving sadaqah, aiding the disabled. Even smiling is a part of Islam.

RazabQ
June 30, 2011, 05:45 PM
Doing some of the above just makes you a good human being (not committing crimes, aiding disabled, smiling, etc.)
@Shaad bhai - nailed it!

Banglaguy
June 30, 2011, 06:04 PM
Doing some of the above just makes you a good human being (not committing crimes, aiding disabled, smiling, etc.)
@Shaad bhai - nailed it!

"Your smile for your brother is charity." - Fiqh-us-Sunnah, Volume 3, Number 98

Zunaid
June 30, 2011, 06:14 PM
"Your smile for your brother is charity." - Fiqh-us-Sunnah, Volume 3, Number 98

What defines a brother? Muslims only? Male Muslims only? Would a smile for a Wicca neighbor be considered charity?

Banglaguy
June 30, 2011, 06:22 PM
What defines a brother? Muslims only? Male Muslims only? Would a smile for a Wicca neighbor be considered charity?

A brother is someone who is a descendant of Adam (as), so it is mankind.
A smile to anyone is considered a charity.

Zunaid
June 30, 2011, 06:37 PM
A brother is someone who is a descendant of Adam (as), so it is mankind.
A smile to anyone is considered a charity.

:up:

Banglaguy
June 30, 2011, 06:44 PM
:up:

Have I earned your forgiveness bro? I didn't mean to offend anyone, and I'm truly sorry for my actions.

Alien
June 30, 2011, 08:36 PM
Nothing wrong discussing difference in rites and rituals. Its significant part of our faith. The way I see it, religion has two aspects of it.

1) Spiritual - Be good, do good etc. the usual. Common in every religion.
2) Rites and rituals - Differs between every religion and in major religions like Christianity or Islam it differs within itself.

Here we were discussing how it differs within Islam on geographical basis. Its not implying someone has moral highground, but rather educating the certain "rogue" practices that crept up in our region over period of time, some of which like "mazar worships" heavily contradicts the basic principles of Islam. Of course those people are free to do what they feel like. Its a free country.

asdfjkl
June 30, 2011, 11:09 PM
During travel, it is haram to fast during ones travel.


According to Islamic sharia, a traveler is normally a person who travels from his home to another town or place with the intention of staying there for less than 10 days.
Fasting by a traveler during the month of Ramadan is haram.
If you start your journey after Zawal time (Islamic mid-day) in Ramadan, then it is wajib to complete fasting for that day.
If you start your journey before Zawal time in Ramadan, then it is wajib to start fast on that day, and then your fast will automatically break after you have traveled a certain distance from your home town.
If you were traveling, and you return to your home (or arrive at a place where you are going to stay for 10 days or more) after Zawal time (Islamic mid-day) in Ramadan, then you can not fast on that day, but it is Mustahab to respect fasting on that day. You have to do Qaza fast for that day and all fasts missed during traveling.
If you were traveling, and you return to your home (or arrive at a place where you are going to stay for10 days or more) before Zawal time (Islamic mid-day) in Ramadan, and if you have not done anything which breaks fast, then it is wajib to keep fast for that day. However if you have
done anything which breaks fast, then you can not fast on that day, but it is Mustahab to respect fasting on that day, and you have to do Qaza fast for that day afterwards.
If you are a traveler during the month of Ramadan, and staying somewhere for less than 10 days, then you can not keep even any other fast (Mustahab fast or Qaza fast of previous Ramadan) during those days.

Sometimes you have to fast 22 hours if you live in some place in Alaska. Is there any leniency for long hour fasting?

asdfjkl
June 30, 2011, 11:28 PM
Forgot covering ones hair, lowering the Gaze, giving sadaqah, aiding the disabled. Even smiling is a part of Islam.

also not paying or charging interest

Isnaad
July 1, 2011, 03:46 AM
also not paying or charging interest

Just to add to that, did you people know, the sin for paying and charging interests is equal to the sin of committing 'Zinah' with parents.

asdfjkl
July 1, 2011, 04:03 AM
Just to add to that, did you people know, the sin for paying and charging interests is equal to the sin of committing 'Zinah' with parents.
i pay interest, i guess i am gonna rot in hell

asdfjkl
July 1, 2011, 04:07 AM
Just to add to that, did you people know, the sin for paying and charging interests is equal to the sin of committing 'Zinah' with parents.
what is your source? Koran/Hadis ?

Isnaad
July 1, 2011, 04:29 AM
what is your source? Koran/Hadis ?

I actually heard it in a radio programme when I was on my car last year during Ramadan. They said that it is according to a Hadith. So, as you can see I don't have the source with me now. If I can find it, I will definitely let you know :) And there is always scope of repentance in Islam :)

ammark
July 1, 2011, 04:45 AM
I'll go have my kosher bacon now! Deep fried with Eggs!

Banglaguy
July 1, 2011, 05:03 AM
Sometimes you have to fast 22 hours if you live in some place in Alaska. Is there any leniency for long hour fasting?

I'm sorry bro, there is no leniency. I myself this year in London will have to fast 19 hours. But just think of the reward you will earn, and how happy you will make Allah Subhana wa ta'ala.

also not paying or charging interest
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.829 Narrated by Abu Juhaifa The Prophet forbade the use of the price of blood and the price of a dog, the one who takes (eats) usury the one who gives usury, the woman who practises tattooing and the woman who gets herself tattooed.

Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2828 Narrated byAbuHurayrah Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "On the night when I was taken up to Heaven I came upon people whose bellies were like houses and contained snakes which could be seen from outside their bellies. I asked Gabriel who they were and he told me that they were people who had practised usury." Ahmad and Ibn Majah transmitted it.

Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2826 Narrated byAbuHurayrah Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "Usury has seventy parts, the least important being that a man should marry his mother." Ibn Majah and Bayhaqi, transmitted it in Shu'ab al-Iman.

Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2825 Narrated byAbdullah ibn Hanzalah ; Abdullah ibn Abbas Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "A dirham which a man knowingly receives in usury is more serious than thirty-six acts of fornication." Ibn Abbas's version adds that he said, "Hell is more fitting for him whose flesh is nourished by what is unlawful." Ahmad and Daraqutni transmitted it. Bayhaqi transmitted in Shu'ab al-Iman on the authority of Ibn Abbas.

Al-Muwatta Hadith 31.95 What Is Not Permitted of Free Loans Malik related to me that he had heard that Abdullah ibn Masud used to say, "If someone makes a loan, they should not stipulate better than it. Even if it is a handful of grass, it is usury." Malik said, "The generally agreed on way of doing things among us is that there is no harm in borrowing any animals with a set description and itemisation, and one must return the like of them. This is not done in the case of female slaves. It is feared about that that it will lead to making halal what is not halal, so it is not good. The explanation of what is disapproved of in that, is that a man borrow a slave-girl and have intercourse with her as seems proper to him. Then he returns her to her owner. That is not good and it is not halal. The people of knowledge still forbid it and do not give an indulgence to any one in it."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.259 Narrated byAbu Juhaifa The Prophet cursed the lady who practices tattooing and the one who gets herself tattooed, and one who eats (takes) Riba' (usury) and the one who gives it. And he prohibited taking the price of a dog, and the money earned by prostitution, and cursed the makers of pictures.

Here's a few Hadith's to back that statement up :).

i pay interest, i guess i am gonna rot in hell

“Hazrat Abu Huraira Radhiallaho Anhu has reported the saying of the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wassallam that during his ascension (Mi'raaj), he noticed a group of men whose stomachs were bloated to the size of big rooms and their wanting to move from their positions was impossible. They would be crushed in a stampede by the friends of Fir'awn. The Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wassallam seeing their condition asked Hazrat Jibra'eel Alayhis Salaam about their identity. He was informed that they were the people who indulged in dealings of usury and interest.”

That's the punishment, although I am not 100% sure of the source, it is more or less authentic.

I'll go have my kosher bacon now! Deep fried with Eggs!

Often times Muslim consumers tend to assume 'Kosher' is similar to 'Halal'. Although the slaughtering rituals of Jewish people resemble those of Muslims; kosher and halal are two different entities carrying a different meaning and spirit. Muslims, therefore, are provided with the following basic information about Kosher so they can exercise care in distinguishing halal from kosher.

Kashrut (in Hebrew) is the system of Jewish dietary laws. Kosher (kashur in Hebrew) means 'fit, or proper for use' according to Jewish law. Examples of kosher are: the meat of the 'fore quarter*' of the cattle slaughtered ritually, fruits, vegetables, all fish that have fins, Kosher wines, Kosher cheeses, Kosher gelatin.

The opposite of Kosher, as applied to food in Treif (in Yiddish), or trefah (in Hebrew) meaning 'not suitable for use', or 'forbidden'. Trefah literally means 'torn by a wild beast' (Exodus 22:30). Examples of Trefah are: blood, swine, rabbit, all shell fish, wild birds such as wild hen, wild duck, and the birds of prey.

These food items exhibit a marked difference between kosher and Halal as well as trefah and haram. The differences are explained elsewhere in this section.

Halal is a comprehensive Islamic term encompassing not only the matters of food and drink, but all other matters of daily life. Islam being the final and perfect way of life for humanity, it supersedes all the previously revealed religions including Christianity and Judaism. The rituals in all matters were perfected by God (al-Quran 5:3)

According to Islamic Jurisprudence, no one except God can change forbidden (Haram) things into lawful (halal) for vice-versa. It is forbidden for people to change the lawful (Halal) things into unlawful (Haram), or vice-versa.

Halal is a unique Islamic concept and eating zabiha (Islamically slaughtered) meat is a distinguishing part of a Muslim's identity as expressed by Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him.

Islam prohibits all intoxicating alcohols, liquors, wines and drugs. kashrut regards their wines kosher. Hence food items and drinks showing the kosher symbol containing alcohol are not halal.

Gelatin is considered Kosher by many Jews regardless of its source of origin. If the gelatin is prepared from non-zabiha, Muslims consider it haram (prohibited). Hence foods items such as marshmallows, yogurt, etc., showing kosher symbols are not always halal.

Enzymes (irrespective of their sources even from non-kosher animals) in cheese making are considered mere secretion (pirsah b'almah) according to some kashrut organizations, hence all cheeses are considered kosher by many Jews. Muslims look for the source of the enzyme in cheese making. If it is coming from the swine, it is considered haram(forbidden). Hence cheeses showing kosher symbols may not be halal.

Jews do not pronounce the name of God on each animal while slaughtering. They feel that uttering the name of God, out of context, is wasteful. Muslims on the other hand pronounce the name of Allah on all animals while slaughtering.

The salient differences between kosher and halal have been illustrated so that Muslim consumers can distinguish halal from kosher.

Muslims in non-Muslim countries should strive to follow the Islamic injunctions in their diet (as well as in every walk of life) and establish their own businesses and institutions to cater to the needs of the Muslim Ummah. By doing so, not only the identity of the Muslims will be preserved, but they will be recognized and respected for their beliefs and practices.

There are different sects within Judaism and there are several hundred Jewish Kosher authorities in the US who certify Kosher based on extremely liberal to extremely conservative rules. Therefore it is difficult to come up with one uniform opinion regarding Kosher practices. A symbols "k" for kosher is not governed by any authority. Any manufacturer can use it at will. A website guiding Jews about Kosher states "it may take a great deal of detective work to ascertain the standard that a particular rabbi is using." For this reason many Muslims when buying anything kosher look for "u" in a circle which are more conservative Kosher symbol.

mac
July 1, 2011, 05:43 AM
Why are you guys after the delicious halua-ruti???

Banglaguy
July 1, 2011, 05:44 AM
Why are you guys after the delicious halua-ruti???

What's that?

Isnaad
July 1, 2011, 06:36 AM
Why are you guys after the delicious halua-ruti???

Because this is one ritual which is bidaah
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Banglaguy
July 1, 2011, 06:40 AM
Because this is one ritual which is bidaah
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What is Halua ritah bro?

Alien
July 1, 2011, 07:02 AM
One of the thing all religious muslim do and it annoys me is thowing arabic word in every sentence. "this is not bidaah", "not attaining taqwa"...why cant we have everything in english/bangla?
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Banglaguy
July 1, 2011, 07:07 AM
One of the thing all religious muslim do and it annoys me is thowing arabic word in every sentence. "this is not bidaah", "not attaining taqwa"...why cant we have everything in english/bangla?
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Because our holy book is not written in Bangla, nor is it English (although there are translations). The Propehet (SAW) spoke Arabic, and Arabic is the language we will speak after we die.

al-Sagar
July 1, 2011, 07:56 AM
i will be back in this thread 1st week of this Ramadan with my specific query

Banglaguy
July 1, 2011, 08:37 AM
i will be back in this thread 1st week of this Ramadan with my specific query

Just give it now bro :)

Tiger Manc
July 1, 2011, 09:16 AM
Why are so many people getting so hung-up about rites and rituals instead adhering to the essence of most faiths - be good, do good?
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How do you define what is good and what is bad?

Tiger Manc
July 1, 2011, 09:24 AM
Anything that is concerned with the deen i.e. religion is Haraam unless proven Halal.

Anything that is concerned with the dunya i.e. worldly affairs is Halal unless proven Haraam.

Praying, fasting, giving money to charity are all legislated in the Quran and Sunnah. Similarly acts such as Smoking and Drinking have been specifically prohibited.

Anything that is considered an act of worship has to be proven that it's permissible using the Quran and Sunnah as understood by the first 3 generations. These rites and rituals that are considered acts of worship need legislation.

On the other hand if one were to say playing the playstation is haraam, then one needs evidence to prove it is, because it is not an act of worship, it is something that relates to the worldly affairs.

And Allah knows best.

roman
July 1, 2011, 09:32 AM
I have a question..As far as I know we can eat meat slaughtered by the people of the book. Quran says :
"Made lawful to you this day are At-Tayyibat [all kinds of Halal (lawful) foods, which Allah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, etc. milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits, etc..). The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals, etc.) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. Al-Maidah 5:5

so whats wrong if we eat kosher or any meat from the market...

Banglaguy
July 1, 2011, 09:51 AM
I have a question..As far as I know we can eat meat slaughtered by the people of the book. Quran says :
"Made lawful to you this day are At-Tayyibat [all kinds of Halal (lawful) foods, which Allah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, etc. milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits, etc..). The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals, etc.) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. Al-Maidah 5:5

so whats wrong if we eat kosher or any meat from the market...

Because in todays modern times, Kosher is different to what the Quran and the Torah has stated.

Isnaad
July 1, 2011, 09:54 AM
What is Halua ritah bro?

I assume he meant the ritual of sending Halua and ruti to others' houses on the night of Shab-e-barat.

lamisa
July 1, 2011, 10:09 AM
Forgot covering ones hair, lowering the Gaze, giving sadaqah, aiding the disabled. Even smiling is a part of Islam.

i don't cover my hair. so i left it out because or else i will sound like a hypocrite

Banglaguy
July 1, 2011, 10:16 AM
I assume he meant the ritual of sending Halua and ruti to others' houses on the night of Shab-e-barat.
Oh, thanks bhai.
i don't cover my hair. so i left it out because or else i will sound like a hypocrite

And you should, but I'm not going to judge.

bujhee kom
July 1, 2011, 10:21 AM
Arrey bhais and apus, along with Jorda, Halooa, Chauler Rooti, etc. we played with fire crackers on Shobe-Borat...it's a local regional (Old Dhaka) cultural heritage and tradition...see religions spread over a long period of time and over vast areas will always have this kinds of colorful elements that varry from people to people and from land to land. It is not about who is superior to who or nor about who is a better moslem (muslim), Some Muslims sing songs, some meditates and does yoga with a hijab on, it's each individual's very deep personal understanding, feelings, relationship with their Creator and their spirituality. My dear bhais, Mod bhais are very serious about certain things in BC...please don't get into trouble.

Banglaguy
July 1, 2011, 10:31 AM
Arrey bhais and apus, along with Jorda, Halooa, Chauler Rooti, etc. we played with fire crackers on Shobe-Borat...it's a local regional (Old Dhaka) cultural heritage and tradition...see religions spread over a long period of time and over vast areas will always have this kinds of colorful elements that varry from people to people and from land to land. It is not about who is superior to who or nor about who is a better moslem (muslim), Some Muslims sing songs, some meditates and does yoga with a hijab on, it's each individual's very deep personal understanding, feelings, relationship with their Creator and their spirituality. My dear bhais, Mod bhais are very serious about certain things in BC...please don't get into trouble.

Although surely religion changes, it is natural. Allah has said he will protect the Quran himself, and anything you make up or change will grant you nothing but hell. Islam cannot be interpreted in any way apart from ''Submission''. In Islam, men have to grow beards, women have to cover their hairs and these western acts are corrupting religions.
These innovations are wrong, and I really do not understand why south asian muslims in general decide that they can change their faith to their liking.

Banglaguy
July 1, 2011, 10:34 AM
A few Hadith on Hijab:

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 368: Narrated 'Aisha:

Allah's Apostle used to offer the Fajr prayer and some believing women covered with their veiling sheets used to attend the Fajr prayer with him and then they would return to their homes unrecognized.

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 395: Narrated 'Umar (bin Al-Khattab):

My Lord agreed with me in three things:
1. I said,"O Allah's Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g. two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka'ba)". (2.125)
2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.
3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5).

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 552: Narrated 'Aisha:

The believing women covered with their veiling sheets used to attend the Fajr prayer with Allah's Apostle, and after finishing the prayer they would return to their home and nobody could recognize them because of darkness.

Volume 3, Book 48, Number 829: Narrated Aisha:

(the wife of the Prophet) "Whenever Allah's Apostle intended to go on a journey, he would draw lots amongst his wives and would take with him the one upon whom the lot fell. During a Ghazwa of his, he drew lots amongst us and the lot fell upon me, and I proceeded with him after Allah had decreed the use of the veil by women. I was carried in a Howdah (on the camel) and dismounted while still in it. When Allah's Apostle was through with his Ghazwa and returned home, and we approached the city of Medina, Allah's Apostle ordered us to proceed at night. When the order of setting off was given, I walked till I was past the army to answer the call of nature. After finishing I returned (to the camp) to depart (with the others) and suddenly realized that my necklace over my chest was missing. So, I returned to look for it and was delayed because of that. The people who used to carry me on the camel, came to my Howdah and put it on the back of the camel, thinking that I was in it, as, at that time, women were light in weight, and thin and lean, and did not use to eat much. So, those people did not feel the difference in the heaviness of the Howdah while lifting it, and they put it over the camel. At that time I was a young lady. They set the camel moving and proceeded on. I found my necklace after the army had gone, and came to their camp to find nobody. So, I went to the place where I used to stay, thinking that they would discover my absence and come back in my search. While in that state, I felt sleepy and slept.
Safwan bin Mu'attal As-Sulami Adh-Dhakwani was behind the army and reached my abode in the morning. When he saw a sleeping person, he came to me, and he used to see me before veiling. So, I got up when I heard him saying, "Inna lil-lah-wa inn a ilaihi rajiun (We are for Allah, and we will return to Him)." He made his camel knell down. He got down from his camel, and put his leg on the front legs of the camel and then I rode and sat over it. Safwan set out walking, leading the camel by the rope till we reached the army who had halted to take rest at midday. Then whoever was meant for destruction, fell into destruction, (some people accused me falsely) and the leader of the false accusers was 'Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul. After that we returned to Medina, and I became ill for one month while the people were spreading the forged statements of the false accusers. I was feeling during my ailment as if I were not receiving the usual kindness from the Prophet which I used to receive from him when I got sick. But he would come, greet and say, 'How is that (girl)?' I did not know anything of what was going on till I recovered from my ailment and went out with Um Mistah to the Manasi where we used to answer the call of nature, and we used not to go to answer the call of nature except from night to night and that was before we had lavatories near to our houses. And this habit of ours was similar to the habit of the old 'Arabs in the open country (or away from houses). So. I and Um Mistah bint Ruhm went out walking. Um Mistah stumbled because of her long dress and on that she said, 'Let Mistah be ruined.' I said, 'You are saying a bad word. Why are you abusing a man who took part in (the battle of) Badr?' She said, 'O Hanata (you there) didn't you hear what they said?' Then she told me the rumors of the false accusers.
My sickness was aggravated, and when I returned home, Allah's Apostle came to me, and after greeting he said, 'How is that (girl)?' I requested him to allow me to go to my parents. I wanted then to be sure of the news through them I Allah's Apostle allowed me, and I went to my parents and asked my mother, 'What are the people talking about?' She said, 'O my daughter! Don't worry much about this matter. By Allah, never is there a charming woman loved by her husband who has other wives, but the women would forge false news about her.' I said, 'Glorified be Allah! Are the people really taking of this matter?' That night I kept on weeping and could not sleep till morning. In the morning Allah's Apostle called Ali bin Abu Talib and Usama bin Zaid when he saw the Divine Inspiration delayed, to consul them about divorcing his wife (i.e. 'Aisha). Usama bin Zaid said what he knew of the good reputation of his wives and added, 'O Allah's Apostle! Keep you wife, for, by Allah, we know nothing about her but good.' 'Ali bin Abu Talib said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Allah has no imposed restrictions on you, and there are many women other than she, yet you may ask the woman-servant who will tell you the truth.' On that Allah's Apostle called Buraira and said, 'O Burair. Did you ever see anything which roused your suspicions about her?' Buraira said, 'No, by Allah Who has sent you with the Truth, I have never seen in her anything faulty except that she is a girl of immature age, who sometimes sleeps and leaves the dough for the goats to eat.' On that day Allah's Apostle ascended the pulpit and requested that somebody support him in punishing 'Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul. Allah's Apostle said, 'Who will support me to punish that person ('Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul) who has hurt me by slandering the reputation of my family? By Allah, I know nothing about my family but good, and they have accused a person about whom I know nothing except good, and he never entered my house except in my company.'
Sad bin Mu'adh got up and said, 'O Allah's Apostle! by Allah, I will relieve you from him. If that man is from the tribe of the Aus, then we will chop his head off, and if he is from our brothers, the Khazraj, then order us, and we will fulfill your order.' On that Sad bin 'Ubada, the chief of the Khazraj and before this incident, he had been a pious man, got up, motivated by his zeal for his tribe and said, 'By Allah, you have told a lie; you cannot kill him, and you will never be able to kill him.' On that Usaid bin Al-Hadir got up and said (to Sad bin 'Ubada), 'By Allah! you are a liar. By Allah, we will kill him; and you are a hypocrite, defending the hypocrites.' On this the two tribes of Aus and Khazraj got excited and were about to fight each other, while Allah's Apostle was standing on the pulpit. He got down and quietened them till they became silent and he kept quiet. On that day I kept on weeping so much so that neither did my tears stop, nor could I sleep.
In the morning my parents were with me and I had wept for two nights and a day, till I thought my liver would burst from weeping. While they were sitting with me and I was weeping, an Ansari woman asked my permission to enter, and I allowed her to come in. She sat down and started weeping with me. While we were in this state, Allah's Apostle came and sat down and he had never sat with me since the day they forged the accusation. No revelation regarding my case came to him for a month. He recited Tashah-hud (i.e. None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is His Apostle) and then said, 'O 'Aisha! I have been informed such-and-such about you; if you are innocent, then Allah will soon reveal your innocence, and if you have committed a sin, then repent to Allah and ask Him to forgive you, for when a person confesses his sin and asks Allah for forgiveness, Allah accepts his repentance.' When Allah's Apostle finished his speech my tears ceased completely and there remained not even a single drop of it. I requested my father to reply to Allah's Apostle on my behalf. My father said, By Allah, I do not know what to say to Allah's Apostle.' I said to my mother, 'Talk to Allah's Apostle on my behalf.' She said, 'By Allah, I do not know what to say to Allah's Apostle.
I was a young girl and did not have much knowledge of the Quran. I said. 'I know, by Allah, that you have listened to what people are saying and that has been planted in your minds and you have taken it as a truth. Now, if I told you that I am innocent and Allah knows that I am innocent, you would not believe me and if I confessed to you falsely that I am guilty, and Allah knows that I am innocent you would believe me. By Allah, I don't compare my situation with you except to the situation of Joseph's father (i.e. Jacob) who said, 'So (for me) patience is most fitting against that which you assert and it is Allah (Alone) whose help can be sought.' Then I turned to the other side of my bed hoping that Allah would prove my innocence. By Allah I never thought that Allah would reveal Divine Inspiration in my case, as I considered myself too inferior to be talked of in the Holy Qur'an. I had hoped that Allah's Apostle might have a dream in which Allah would prove my innocence. By Allah, Allah's Apostle had not got up and nobody had left the house before the Divine Inspiration came to Allah's Apostle. So, there overtook him the same state which used to overtake him, (when he used to have, on being inspired divinely). He was sweating so much so that the drops of the sweat were dropping like pearls though it was a (cold) wintry day. When that state of Allah's Apostle was over, he was smiling and the first word he said, 'Aisha! Thank Allah, for Allah has declared your innocence.' My mother told me to go to Allah's Apostle . I replied, 'By Allah I will not go to him and will not thank but Allah.' So Allah revealed: "Verily! They who spread the slander are a gang among you . . ." (24.11)
When Allah gave the declaration of my Innocence, Abu Bakr, who used to provide for Mistah bin Uthatha for he was his relative, said, 'By Allah, I will never provide Mistah with anything because of what he said about Aisha.' But Allah later revealed: --
"And let not those who are good and wealthy among you swear not to help their kinsmen, those in need and those who left their homes in Allah's Cause. Let them forgive and overlook. Do you not wish that Allah should forgive you? Verily! Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." (24.22) After that Abu Bakr said, 'Yes ! By Allah! I like that Allah should forgive me,' and resumed helping Mistah whom he used to help before.
Allah's Apostle also asked Zainab bint Jahsh (i.e. the Prophet's wife about me saying, 'What do you know and what did you see?' She replied, 'O Allah's Apostle! I refrain to claim hearing or seeing what I have not heard or seen. By Allah, I know nothing except goodness about Aisha." Aisha further added "Zainab was competing with me (in her beauty and the Prophet's love), yet Allah protected her (from being malicious), for she had piety."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 130: Narrated 'Aisha:

Whenever the Prophet intended to proceed on a journey, he used to draw lots amongst his wives and would take the one upon whom the lot fell. Once, before setting out for Jihad, he drew lots amongst us and the lot came to me; so I went with the Prophet; and that happened after the revelation of the Verse Hijab (i.e. veiling).

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 462: Narrated 'Aisha:

Whenever Allah's Apostle intended to go on a journey, he used to draw lots amongst his wives, and Allah's Apostle used to take with him the one on whom lot fell. He drew lots amongst us during one of the Ghazwat which he fought. The lot fell on me and so I proceeded with Allah's Apostle after Allah's order of veiling (the women) had been revealed. I was carried (on the back of a camel) in my howdah and carried down while still in it (when we came to a halt). So we went on till Allah's Apostle had finished from that Ghazwa of his and returned.
When we approached the city of Medina he announced at night that it was time for departure. So when they announced the news of departure, I got up and went away from the army camps, and after finishing from the call of nature, I came back to my riding animal. I touched my chest to find that my necklace which was made of Zifar beads (i.e. Yemenite beads partly black and partly white) was missing. So I returned to look for my necklace and my search for it detained me. (In the meanwhile) the people who used to carry me on my camel, came and took my howdah and put it on the back of my camel on which I used to ride, as they considered that I was in it. In those days women were light in weight for they did not get fat, and flesh did not cover their bodies in abundance as they used to eat only a little food. Those people therefore, disregarded the lightness of the howdah while lifting and carrying it; and at that time I was still a young girl. They made the camel rise and all of them left (along with it). I found my necklace after the army had gone.
Then I came to their camping place to find no call maker of them, nor one who would respond to the call. So I intended to go to the place where I used to stay, thinking that they would miss me and come back to me (in my search). While I was sitting in my resting place, I was overwhelmed by sleep and slept. Safwan bin Al-Muattal As-Sulami Adh-Dhakwani was behind the army. When he reached my place in the morning, he saw the figure of a sleeping person and he recognized me on seeing me as he had seen me before the order of compulsory veiling (was prescribed). So I woke up when he recited Istirja' (i.e. "Inna lillahi wa inna llaihi raji'un") as soon as he recognized me. I veiled my face with my head cover at once, and by Allah, we did not speak a single word, and I did not hear him saying any word besides his Istirja'. He dismounted from his camel and made it kneel down, putting his leg on its front legs and then I got up and rode on it. Then he set out leading the camel that was carrying me till we overtook the army in the extreme heat of midday while they were at a halt (taking a rest). (Because of the event) some people brought destruction upon themselves and the one who spread the Ifk (i.e. slander) more, was 'Abdullah bin Ubai Ibn Salul."
(Urwa said, "The people propagated the slander and talked about it in his (i.e. 'Abdullah's) presence and he confirmed it and listened to it and asked about it to let it prevail." Urwa also added, "None was mentioned as members of the slanderous group besides ('Abdullah) except Hassan bin Thabit and Mistah bin Uthatha and Hamna bint Jahsh along with others about whom I have no knowledge, but they were a group as Allah said. It is said that the one who carried most of the slander was 'Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul." Urwa added, "'Aisha disliked to have Hassan abused in her presence and she used to say, 'It was he who said: My father and his (i.e. my father's) father and my honor are all for the protection of Muhammad's honor from you.").
'Aisha added, "After we returned to Medina, I became ill for a month. The people were propagating the forged statements of the slanderers while I was unaware of anything of all that, but I felt that in my present ailment, I was not receiving the same kindness from Allah's Apostle as I used to receive when I got sick. (But now) Allah's Apostle would only come, greet me and say,' How is that (lady)?' and leave. That roused my doubts, but I did not discover the evil (i.e. slander) till I went out after my convalescence, I went out with Um Mistah to Al-Manasi' where we used to answer the call of nature and we used not to go out (to answer the call of nature) except at night, and that was before we had latrines near our houses. And this habit of our concerning evacuating the bowels, was similar to the habits of the old 'Arabs living in the deserts, for it would be troublesome for us to take latrines near our houses. So I and Um Mistah who was the daughter of Abu Ruhm bin Al-Muttalib bin Abd Manaf, whose mother was the daughter of Sakhr bin 'Amir and the aunt of Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and whose son was Mistah bin Uthatha bin 'Abbas bin Al-Muttalib, went out. I and Um Mistah returned to my house after we finished answering the call of nature. Um Mistah stumbled by getting her foot entangled in her covering sheet and on that she said, 'Let Mistah be ruined!' I said, 'What a hard word you have said. Do you abuse a man who took part in the battle of Badr?' On that she said, 'O you Hantah! Didn't you hear what he (i.e. Mistah) said? 'I said, 'What did he say?'
Then she told me the slander of the people of Ifk. So my ailment was aggravated, and when I reached my home, Allah's Apostle came to me, and after greeting me, said, 'How is that (lady)?' I said, 'Will you allow me to go to my parents?' as I wanted to be sure about the news through them. Allah's Apostle allowed me (and I went to my parents) and asked my mother, 'O mother! What are the people talking about?' She said, 'O my daughter! Don't worry, for scarcely is there a charming woman who is loved by her husband and whose husband has other wives besides herself that they (i.e. women) would find faults with her.' I said, 'Subhan-Allah! (I testify the uniqueness of Allah). Are the people really talking in this way?' I kept on weeping that night till dawn I could neither stop weeping nor sleep then in the morning again, I kept on weeping. When the Divine Inspiration was delayed.
Allah's Apostle called 'Ali bin Abi Talib and Usama bin Zaid to ask and consult them about divorcing me. Usama bin Zaid said what he knew of my innocence, and the respect he preserved in himself for me. Usama said, '(O Allah's Apostle!) She is your wife and we do not know anything except good about her.' 'Ali bin Abi Talib said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Allah does not put you in difficulty and there are plenty of women other than she, yet, ask the maid-servant who will tell you the truth.' On that Allah's Apostle called Barira (i.e. the maid-servant) and said, 'O Barira! Did you ever see anything which aroused your suspicion?' Barira said to him, 'By Him Who has sent you with the Truth. I have never seen anything in her (i.e. Aisha) which I would conceal, except that she is a young girl who sleeps leaving the dough of her family exposed so that the domestic goats come and eat it.'
So, on that day, Allah's Apostle got up on the pulpit and complained about 'Abdullah bin Ubai (bin Salul) before his companions, saying, 'O you Muslims! Who will relieve me from that man who has hurt me with his evil statement about my family? By Allah, I know nothing except good about my family and they have blamed a man about whom I know nothing except good and he used never to enter my home except with me.' Sad bin Mu'adh the brother of Banu 'Abd Al-Ashhal got up and said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I will relieve you from him; if he is from the tribe of Al-Aus, then I will chop his head off, and if he is from our brothers, i.e. Al-Khazraj, then order us, and we will fulfill your order.' On that, a man from Al-Khazraj got up. Um Hassan, his cousin, was from his branch tribe, and he was Sad bin Ubada, chief of Al-Khazraj. Before this incident, he was a pious man, but his love for his tribe goaded him into saying to Sad (bin Mu'adh). 'By Allah, you have told a lie; you shall not and cannot kill him. If he belonged to your people, you would not wish him to be killed.'
On that, Usaid bin Hudair who was the cousin of Sad (bin Mu'adh) got up and said to Sad bin 'Ubada, 'By Allah! You are a liar! We will surely kill him, and you are a hypocrite arguing on the behalf of hypocrites.' On this, the two tribes of Al-Aus and Al Khazraj got so much excited that they were about to fight while Allah's Apostle was standing on the pulpit. Allah's Apostle kept on quietening them till they became silent and so did he. All that day I kept on weeping with my tears never ceasing, and I could never sleep.
In the morning my parents were with me and I wept for two nights and a day with my tears never ceasing and I could never sleep till I thought that my liver would burst from weeping. So, while my parents were sitting with me and I was weeping, an Ansari woman asked me to grant her admittance. I allowed her to come in, and when she came in, she sat down and started weeping with me. While we were in this state, Allah's Apostle came, greeted us and sat down. He had never sat with me since that day of the slander. A month had elapsed and no Divine Inspiration came to him about my case. Allah's Apostle then recited Tashah-hud and then said, 'Amma Badu, O 'Aisha! I have been informed so-and-so about you; if you are innocent, then soon Allah will reveal your innocence, and if you have committed a sin, then repent to Allah and ask Him for forgiveness for when a slave confesses his sins and asks Allah for forgiveness, Allah accepts his repentance.'
When Allah's Apostle finished his speech, my tears ceased flowing completely that I no longer felt a single drop of tear flowing. I said to my father, 'Reply to Allah's Apostle on my behalf concerning what he has said.' My father said, 'By Allah, I do not know what to say to Allah's Apostle .' Then I said to my mother, 'Reply to Allah's Apostle on my behalf concerning what he has said.' She said, 'By Allah, I do not know what to say to Allah's Apostle.' In spite of the fact that I was a young girl and had a little knowledge of Quran, I said, 'By Allah, no doubt I know that you heard this (slanderous) speech so that it has been planted in your hearts (i.e. minds) and you have taken it as a truth. Now if I tell you that I am innocent, you will not believe me, and if confess to you about it, and Allah knows that I am innocent, you will surely believe me. By Allah, I find no similitude for me and you except that of Joseph's father when he said, '(For me) patience in the most fitting against that which you assert; it is Allah (Alone) Whose Help can be sought.' Then I turned to the other side and lay on my bed; and Allah knew then that I was innocent and hoped that Allah would reveal my innocence. But, by Allah, I never thought that Allah would reveal about my case, Divine Inspiration, that would be recited (forever) as I considered myself too unworthy to be talked of by Allah with something of my concern, but I hoped that Allah's Apostle might have a dream in which Allah would prove my innocence. But, by Allah, before Allah's Apostle left his seat and before any of the household left, the Divine inspiration came to Allah's Apostle.
So there overtook him the same hard condition which used to overtake him, (when he used to be inspired Divinely). The sweat was dropping from his body like pearls though it was a wintry day and that was because of the weighty statement which was being revealed to him. When that state of Allah's Apostle was over, he got up smiling, and the first word he said was, 'O 'Aisha! Allah has declared your innocence!' Then my Mother said to me, 'Get up and go to him (i.e. Allah's Apostle). I replied, 'By Allah, I will not go to him, and I praise none but Allah. So Allah revealed the ten Verses:-- "Verily! They who spread the slander Are a gang, among you............." (24.11-20)
Allah revealed those Quranic Verses to declare my innocence. Abu Bakr As-Siddiq who used to disburse money for Mistah bin Uthatha because of his relationship to him and his poverty, said, 'By Allah, I will never give to Mistah bin Uthatha anything after what he has said about Aisha.' Then Allah revealed:--
"And let not those among you who are good and wealthy swear not to give (any sort of help) to their kinsmen, those in need, and those who have left their homes for Allah's cause, let them pardon and forgive. Do you not love that Allah should forgive you? And Allah is oft-Forgiving Most Merciful." (24.22)
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq said, 'Yes, by Allah, I would like that Allah forgive me.' and went on giving Mistah the money he used to give him before. He also added, 'By Allah, I will never deprive him of it at all.'
Aisha further said:." Allah's Apostle also asked Zainab bint Jahsh (i.e. his wife) about my case. He said to Zainab, 'What do you know and what did you see?" She replied, "O Allah's Apostle! I refrain from claiming falsely that I have heard or seen anything. By Allah, I know nothing except good (about 'Aisha).' From amongst the wives of the Prophet Zainab was my peer (in beauty and in the love she received from the Prophet) but Allah saved her from that evil because of her piety. Her sister Hamna, started struggling on her behalf and she was destroyed along with those who were destroyed. The man who was blamed said, 'Subhan-Allah! By Him in Whose Hand my soul is, I have never uncovered the cover (i.e. veil) of any female.' Later on the man was martyred in Allah's Cause."

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 10: Narrated Anas:

Umar said, "I agreed with Allah in three things," or said, "My Lord agreed with me in three things. I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Would that you took the station of Abraham as a place of prayer.' I also said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Good and bad persons visit you! Would that you ordered the Mothers of the believers to cover themselves with veils.' So the Divine Verses of Al-Hijab (i.e. veiling of the women) were revealed. I came to know that the Prophet had blamed some of his wives so I entered upon them and said, 'You should either stop (troubling the Prophet ) or else Allah will give His Apostle better wives than you.' When I came to one of his wives, she said to me, 'O 'Umar! Does Allah's Apostle haven't what he could advise his wives with, that you try to advise them?' " Thereupon Allah revealed:--
"It may be, if he divorced you (all) his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you Muslims (who submit to Allah).." (66.5)

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 274: Narrated Aisha:

(The wife of the Prophet) Whenever Allah's Apostle intended to go on a journey, he used to draw lots among his wives and would take with him the one on whom the lot had fallen. Once he drew lots when he wanted to carry out a Ghazwa, and the lot came upon me. So I proceeded with Allah's Apostle after Allah's order of veiling (the women) had been revealed and thus I was carried in my howdah (on a camel) and dismounted while still in it. We carried on our journey, and when Allah's Apostle had finished his Ghazwa and returned and we approached Medina, Allah's Apostle ordered to proceed at night. When the army was ordered to resume the homeward journey, I got up and walked on till I left the army (camp) behind. When I had answered the call of nature, I went towards my howdah, but behold ! A necklace of mine made of Jaz Azfar (a kind of black bead) was broken and I looked for it and my search for it detained me. The group of people who used to carry me, came and carried my howdah on to the back of my camel on which I was riding, considering that I was therein. At that time women were light in weight and were not fleshy for they used to eat little (food), so those people did not feel the lightness of the howdah while raising it up, and I was still a young lady. They drove away the camel and proceeded. Then I found my necklace after the army had gone. I came to their camp but found nobody therein so I went to the place where I used to stay, thinking that they would miss me and come back in my search. While I was sitting at my place, I felt sleepy and slept. Safwan bin Al-Mu'attil As-Sulami Adh-Dhakw-ani was behind the army. He had started in the last part of the night and reached my stationing place in the morning and saw the figure of a sleeping person. He came to me and recognized me on seeing me for he used to see me before veiling. I got up because of his saying: "Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajiun," which he uttered on recognizing me. I covered my face with my garment, and by Allah, he did not say to me a single word except, "Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajiun," till he made his she-camel kneel down whereupon he trod on its forelegs and I mounted it. Then Safwan set out, leading the she-camel that was carrying me, till we met the army while they were resting during the hot midday. Then whoever was meant for destruction, fell in destruction, and the leader of the Ifk (forged statement) was 'Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul. After this we arrived at Medina and I became ill for one month while the people were spreading the forged statements of the people of the Ifk, and I was not aware of anything thereof. But what aroused my doubt while I was sick, was that I was no longer receiving from Allah's Apostle the same kindness as I used to receive when I fell sick. Allah's Apostle would enter upon me, say a greeting and add, "How is that (lady)?" and then depart.
That aroused my suspicion but I was not aware of the propagated evil till I recovered from my ailment. I went out with Um Mistah to answer the call of nature towards Al-Manasi, the place where we used to relieve ourselves, and used not to go out for this purpose except from night to night, and that was before we had lavatories close to our houses. And this habit of ours was similar to the habit of the old 'Arabs (in the deserts or in the tents) concerning the evacuation of the bowels, for we considered it troublesome and harmful to take lavatories in the houses. So I went out with Um Mistah who was the daughter of Abi Ruhm bin Abd Manaf, and her mother was daughter of Sakhr bin Amir who was the aunt of Abi Bakr As-Siddiq, and her son was Mistah bin Uthatha. When we had finished our affair, Um Mistah and I came back towards my house. Um Mistah stumbled over her robe whereupon she said, "Let Mistah be ruined ! " I said to her, "What a bad word you have said! Do you abuse a man who has taken part in the Battle of Badr?' She said, "O you there! Didn't you hear what he has said?" I said, "And what did he say?" She then told me the statement of the people of the Ifk (forged statement) which added to my ailment. When I returned home, Allah's Apostle came to me, and after greeting, he said, "How is that (lady)?" I said, "Will you allow me to go to my parents?" At that time I intended to be sure of the news through them. Allah's Apostle allowed me and I went to my parents and asked my mother, "O my mother! What are the people talking about?" My mother said, "O my daughter! Take it easy, for by Allah, there is no charming lady who is loved by her husband who has other wives as well, but that those wives would find fault with her." I said, "Subhan Allah! Did the people really talk about that?"
That night I kept on weeping the whole night till the morning. My tears never stopped, nor did I sleep, and morning broke while I was still weeping, Allah's Apostle called 'Ali bin Abi Talib and Usama bin Zaid when the Divine Inspiration delayed, in order to consult them as to the idea of divorcing his wife. Usama bin Zaid told Allah's Apostle of what he knew about the innocence of his wife and of his affection he kept for her. He said, "O Allah's Apostle! She is your wife, and we do not know anything about her except good." But 'Ali bin Abi Talib said, "O Allah's Apostle! Allah does not impose restrictions on you; and there are plenty of women other than her. If you however, ask (her) slave girl, she will tell you the truth." 'Aisha added: So Allah's Apostle called for Barira and said, "O Barira! Did you ever see anything which might have aroused your suspicion? (as regards Aisha). Barira said, "By Allah Who has sent you with the truth, I have never seen anything regarding Aisha which I would blame her for except that she is a girl of immature age who sometimes sleeps and leaves the dough of her family unprotected so that the domestic goats come and eat it." So Allah's Apostle got up (and addressed) the people an asked for somebody who would take revenge on 'Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul then. Allah's Apostle, while on the pulpit, said, "O Muslims! Who will help me against a man who has hurt me by slandering my family? By Allah, I know nothing except good about my family, and people have blamed a man of whom I know nothing except good, and he never used to visit my family except with me," Sad bin Muadh Al-Ansari got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! By Allah, I will relieve you from him. If he be from the tribe of (Bani) Al-Aus, then I will chop his head off; and if he be from our brethren, the Khazraj, then you give us your order and we will obey it." On that, Sad bin 'Ubada got up, and he was the chief of the Khazraj, and before this incident he had been a pious man but he was incited by his zeal for his tribe. He said to Sad (bin Muadh), "By Allah the Eternal, you have told a lie! You shall not kill him and you will never be able to kill him!" On that, Usaid bin Hudair, the cousin of Sad (bin Muadh) got up and said to Sad bin 'Ubada, "You are a liar! By Allah the Eternal, we will surely kill him; and you are a hypocrite defending the hypocrites!" So the two tribes of Al-Aus and Al-Khazraj got excited till they were on the point of fighting with each other while Allah's Apostle was standing on the pulpit. Allah's Apostle continued quietening them till they became silent whereupon he became silent too. On that day I kept on weeping so much that neither did my tears stop, nor could I sleep. In the morning my parents were with me, and I had wept for two nights and a day without sleeping and with incessant tears till they thought that my liver would burst with weeping. While they were with me and I was weeping, an Ansari woman asked permission to see me. I admitted her and she sat and started weeping with me. While I was in that state, Allah's Apostle came to us, greeted, and sat down,. He had never sat with me since the day what was said, was said. He had stayed a month without receiving any Divine Inspiration concerning my case. Allah's Apostle recited the Tashahhud after he had sat down, and then said, "Thereafter, O 'Aisha! I have been informed such and-such a thing about you; and if you are innocent, Allah will reveal your innocence, and if you have committed a sin, then ask for Allah's forgiveness and repent to Him, for when a slave confesses his sin and then repents to Allah, Allah accepts his repentance." When Allah's Apostle had finished his speech, my tears ceased completely so that I no longer felt even a drop thereof. Then I said to my father, "Reply to Allah's Apostle on my behalf as to what he said." He said, "By Allah, I do not know what to say to Allah's Apostle." Then I said to my mother, "Reply to Allah's Apostle."
She said, "I do not know what to say to Allah's Apostle." Still a young girl as I was and though I had little knowledge of Quran, I said, "By Allah, I know that you heard this story (of the Ifk) so much so that it has been planted in your minds and you have believed it. So now, if I tell you that I am innocent, and Allah knows that I am innocent, you will not believe me; and if I confess something, and Allah knows that I am innocent of it, you will believe me. By Allah, I cannot find of you an example except that of Joseph's father: "So (for me) patience is most fitting against that which you assert and it is Allah (Alone) Whose help can be sought. Then I turned away and lay on my bed, and at that time I knew that I was innocent and that Allah would reveal my innocence. But by Allah, I never thought that Allah would sent down about my affair, Divine Inspiration that would be recited (forever), as I considered myself too unworthy to be talked of by Allah with something that was to be recited: but I hoped that Allah's Apostle might have a vision in which Allah would prove my innocence. By Allah, Allah's Apostle had not left his seat and nobody had left the house when the Divine Inspiration came to Allah's Apostle . So there overtook him the same hard condition which used to overtake him (when he was Divinely Inspired) so that the drops of his sweat were running down, like pearls, though it was a (cold) winter day, and that was because of the heaviness of the Statement which was revealed to him. When that state of Allah's Apostle was over, and he was smiling when he was relieved, the first word he said was, "Aisha, Allah has declared your innocence." My mother said to me, "Get up and go to him." I said, "By Allah, I will not go to him and I will not thank anybody but Allah." So Allah revealed: "Verily! They who spread the Slander are a gang among you. Think it not...." (24.11-20).
When Allah revealed this to confirm my innocence, Abu Bakr As-Siddiq who used to provide for Mistah bin Uthatha because of the latter's kinship to him and his poverty, said, "By Allah, I will never provide for Mistah anything after what he has said about Aisha". So Allah revealed:
"Let not those among you who are good and are wealthy swear not to give (help) to their kinsmen, those in need, and those who have left their homes for Allah's Cause. Let them Pardon and forgive (i.e. do not punish them). Do you not love that should forgive you? Verily Allah is Oft-forgiving. Most Merciful." (24.22)
Abu Bakr said, "Yes, by Allah, I wish that Allah should forgive me." So he resumed giving Mistah the aid he used to give him before and said, "By Allah, I will never withold it from him at all." Aisha further said: Allah's Apostle also asked Zainab bint Jahsh about my case. He said, "O Zainab! What have you seen?" She replied, "O Allah's Apostle! I protect my hearing and my sight (by refraining from telling lies). I know nothing but good (about Aisha)." Of all the wives of Allah's Apostle, it was Zainab who aspired to receive from him the same favor as I used to receive, yet, Allah saved her (from telling lies) because of her piety. But her sister, Hamna, kept on fighting on her behalf so she was destroyed as were those who invented and spread the slander.

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 95: Narrated Anas bin Malik:

I was ten years old when Allah's Apostle arrived at Medina. My mother and aunts used to urge me to serve the Prophet regularly, and I served him for ten years. When the Prophet died I was twenty years old, and I knew about the order of Al-Hijab (veiling of ladies) more than any other person when it was revealed. It was revealed for the first time when Allah's Apostle had consummated his marriage with Zainab bint Jahsh. When the day dawned, the Prophet was a bridegroom and he invited the people to a banquet, so they came, ate, and then all left except a few who remained with the Prophet for a long time. The Prophet got up and went out, and I too went out with him so that those people might leave too. The Prophet proceeded and so did I, till he came to the threshold of 'Aisha's dwelling place. Then thinking that these people have left by then, he returned and so did I along with him till he entered upon Zainab and behold, they were still sitting and had not gone. So the Prophet again went away and I went away along with him. When we reached the threshold of 'Aisha's dwelling place, he thought that they had left, and so he returned and I too, returned along with him and found those people had left. Then the Prophet drew a curtain between me and him, and the Verses of Al-Hijab were revealed.

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 166: Narrated 'Aisha:

My foster uncle came and asked permission (to enter) but I refused to admit him till I asked Allah's Apostle about that. He said, "He is your uncle, so allow him to come in." I said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have been suckled by a woman and not by a man." Allah's Apostle said, "He is your uncle, so let him enter upon you." And that happened after the order of Al-Hijab (compulsory veiling) was revealed. All things which become unlawful because of blood relations are unlawful because of the corresponding foster suckling relations.

Volume 7, Book 65, Number 375: Narrated Anas:

I know (about) the Hijab (the order of veiling of women) more than anybody else. Ubai bin Ka'b used to ask me about it. Allah's Apostle became the bridegroom of Zainab bint Jahsh whom he married at Medina. After the sun had risen high in the sky, the Prophet invited the people to a meal. Allah's Apostle remained sitting and some people remained sitting with him after the other guests had left. Then Allah's Apostle got up and went away, and I too, followed him till he reached the door of 'Aisha's room. Then he thought that the people must have left the place by then, so he returned and I also returned with him. Behold, the people were still sitting at their places. So he went back again for the second time, and I went along with him too. When we reached the door of 'Aisha's room, he returned and I also returned with him to see that the people had left. Thereupon the Prophet hung a curtain between me and him and the Verse regarding the order for (veiling of women) Hijab was revealed.

Volume 8, Book 73, Number 177: Narrated 'Aisha:

Allah, the brother of Abu Al-Qu'ais asked my permission to enter after the verses of Al-Hijab (veiling the ladies) was revealed, and I said, "By Allah, I will not admit him unless I take permission of Allah's Apostle for it was not the brother of Al-Qu'ais who had suckled me, but it was the wife of Al-Qu'ais, who had suckled me." Then Allah's Apostle entered upon me, and I said, "O Allah's Apostle! The man has not nursed me but his wife has nursed me." He said, "Admit him because he is your uncle (not from blood relation, but because you have been nursed by his wife), Taribat Yaminuki." 'Urwa said, "Because of this reason, ' Aisha used to say: Foster suckling relations render all those things (marriages etc.) illegal which are illegal because of the corresponding blood relations." (See Hadith No. 36, Vol. 7)

Volume 8, Book 74, Number 257: Narrated 'Aisha:

(the wife of the Prophet) 'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to say to Allah's Apostle "Let your wives be veiled" But he did not do so. The wives of the Prophet used to go out to answer the call of nature at night only at Al-Manasi.' Once Sauda, the daughter of Zam'a went out and she was a tall woman. 'Umar bin Al-Khattab saw her while he was in a gathering, and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda!" He ('Umar) said so as he was anxious for some Divine orders regarding the veil (the veiling of women.) So Allah revealed the Verse of veiling. (Al-Hijab; a complete body cover excluding the eyes). (See Hadith No. 148, Vol. 1)

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 517: Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Verse of Al-Hijab (veiling of women) was revealed in connection with Zainab bint Jahsh. (On the day of her marriage with him) the Prophet gave a wedding banquet with bread and meat; and she used to boast before other wives of the Prophet and used to say, "Allah married me (to the Prophet in the Heavens."

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All the great scholars of Islam unanimously agree on this issue that to grow a beard no less than the length of a fist is compulsory upon all Muslim men as it is a distinctive sign of Islam, and it is haram (forbidden) for a mature stable Muslim to shave his beard.

This verdict was reached on the grounds that there are numerous ahaadith where the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam is explicitly commanding the Muslims to grow a beard. In this respect a few ahaadith from Bukhari and Muslim are quoted below.

Translation: Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhu quotes the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam as saying, "Cut short the moustache and lengthen the beard."

(Bukhari and Muslim)
Translation: Abu Huraira radiyallahu anhu quotes the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam as saying, "Shorten the moustache and lengthen the beard."
(Muslim)
Translation: Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhu quotes the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam as saying, "Grow (lengthen) the beard."
(Muslim)
Translation: Yahya ibn Kathir says that, once a person from Ajam (external province) who had grown a moustache and shaved off the beard entered the mosque. The Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam asked him, "What motivated you to do this act? He replied that his Lord had ordered him to do so. The Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam said, "Allah has ordered me to shorten my moustache and lengthen my beard." Besides these ahaadith, there are other ahaadith which support the necessity of growing the beard. Therefore, to shave, or trim one’s beard less than the length of a fist is haram (forbidden) and anyone contradicting this ruling will be committing a major sin and regarded as a fasiq (immoral person).
The above mentioned ruling applies to all Muslims as a general rule, as for an Imaam or a Hafiz it becomes all the more important to grow a beard as he will have to lead the prayers and the Imamat (leadership) of a person who shaves or trims his beard is makrooh-e-tahrimi (severely disliked), although the prayer behind such a person will be valid. It is stated in a hadith of Ibn Majah that (page 77), ‘Let not a sinful and immoral person lead in a prayer of a true believer.’ It is also stated in Raddul Mukhtar (page 560, vol. 1), ‘It is makrooh-e-tahrimi for a fasiq (immoral person) to lead the prayers. An Imaam is the best person in the community worthy of leading the people in their prayers, he should be pious and apparently free from sin and immorality.’ In a hadith of the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam it is stated, "If you wish that your prayers are accepted, than the most pious amongst should act as your Imaam, for he is a messenger between you and your Lord."

It is apparent from these ahaadith that an Imaam must grow a beard in order to lead the prayers. According to all four schools of thought (Madhabs), it is compulsory upon a Muslim man to grow a beard and refrain from shaving it, or trimming it to less than the length of a fist. Given below are fatawas (religious verdicts) issued by the four Madhabs and it’s leading scholars on the issue of growing the beard.

Hanafi madhab:

To trim the beard when it is less than a fist’s length, as done by some modern people and hermaphrodites is not permissible in the opinion of all the jurists. To shave the beard as done by unorthodox Jews, Hindus and others is also not permissible.

(Durre Mukhtar)
Maliki madhab:
To shave the beard is haram and to trim it in such a manner that it changes one’s natural and normal facial features is also haram. It is also quoted in Kitabul Ib’daa’, that without doubt the four Madhabs are agreed that the beard should be lengthened and that shaving it is haram.

Shafe’ee madhab:

It is quoted in Al Ibaab’, that Imaam ibn Ar’rifaah says that Imaam Shafe’ee, in his book, Kitabul Umm, has categorically stated that shaving the beard is haram.

Al Azraiy says that the correct position in the Shafe’ee madhab is that to shave the beard without a valid medical reason is haram. Similar verdict of prohibition has been issued by Zarakhshi, Baihaqi in his book, Shu’ab Al Iman, and by his teacher Qa’ffal Shashi in Muhasin As Shar’iyyah.

Hanbali madhab:

It is narrated in Shar’hul Muntahaa’ and Shar’hul Manzoomatul Adaab, the most accepted view is that it is haram to shave the beard. Some Ulama like the author of ‘Insaf’, have categorically stated that it is haram. There is no report from anyone to the contrary.

Sheikhul Islam ibn Taymiyyah says, "Shaving the beard is haram."

Ibn Hazm has narrated Ijma (consensus of the Muslims) regarding the obligation of trimming the moustache and keeping the beard, he brings the following ahaadith in support of this Ijma:

Translation: "Oppose the Mushrikeen polytheists), trim the moustache and lengthen the beard."

(Muslim)
Translation: "Whosoever does not trim his moustache, he is not from amongst us."
(Ahmed Tirmidhi and Nasai)
The following are some fatawas given, issued by some prominent Muftis of the Arab world, in recent time regarding the necessity of keeping the beard.
Sheikh ibn Abdur Rahman Al Banna writes in Fathur Rabbani, "Shaving the beard is strictly haram. This is the madhab of Hanbalis and Zahiriyyah. Sheikh Nasir Uddin Albani writes, "Due to the above references, it is wajib to lengthen the beard and to shave is haram."

Sheikh Abu Bakr Al Jazari writes, "One should leave his beard until it fills his face, because the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam has ordered, shorten your moustaches and lengthen your beards."

We can conclude from what has been said that to keep a beard is compulsory and to trim it or shave it is haram.

Keeping the beard has been the practice of the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam, as it has also been the practice of the earlier Prophets before him.

When Musa alaihis salaam returned from his journey of Mount Tur and found the Israelites engrossed in idolatry, he became furious and in severe anger he pulled the beard of his deputy (and brother) Haroon alaihis salaam who said:

Translation: "O son of my mother, seize me not by my beard nor my hair." In the books of ahaadith, numerous hadith describe the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam as having a copious beard.

Translation: Umm Ma’bad radiyallahu anhu says that the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam had a copious beard.

At an age when moral and spiritual decline is at its peak, acting upon a single prophetic tradition could insure success in the hereafter. It is narrated in a hadith,

Translation: "One who is steadfast upon my Sunnah at the decline of my Ummah, for him there is the reward of a hundred martyrs."



One Maulana has said, "Within a body there is nothing which we can imitate the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam. Our hands, feet, chest, eyes, ears, nose etc. cannot imitate the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam. There is only one thing and that is the beard, in which we can imitate the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam. He had a full, dense beard. We should try to imitate him in this matter.

Acting upon the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam brings the pleasure of Allah and in turn great rewards in the hereafter. Similarly, opposing the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam brings the displeasure of Allah. It is stated in a hadith,

Translation: The messenger of Allah sallallahu alaihe wasallam has cursed those men who imitate women and those women who imitate men.

The beard is a distinctive sign of a man and removing it is like imitating a woman and anyone who commits this crime earns himself the displeasure of the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam and to displease the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam is to displease Allah. May Allah save us all from Allah’s displeasure and wrath. Ameen.

Modern scientists and doctors have realised the benefits of keeping a beard.

One doctor writes, that by continually shaving, the veins of the sight are affected, resulting in failing eyesight. Another doctor writes that a lengthy beard stops harmful germs from reaching the throat and chest. Another goes so far as to say, "If men shaved for seven generations, the men in the eighth generation will have no beards. This means that the sperm gets weaker in every generation, until in the eighth this quality is completely destroyed."

Keeping the beard is the right of every individual. Therefore, even parents cannot order their children to shave the beard. The Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam said,

Translation: "There is no obedience to any creation when the creator is being disobeyed."

In such situations where children are forced to shave their beard by their parents, the children must oppose them, for there is no obedience to anyone when the rules of Shari’ah are asked to be violated.

A Muslim should strive hard to imitate the blessed Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam in all aspects of their life and refrain from imitating the non-Muslims.

There are numerous ahaadith in many books of hadith which describe the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam as having a full beard. Given below are some ahaadith regarding this:

Translation: Ali radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam was neither too tall nor too short. He had long hair and beard.

Translation: Bukhari and Abu Dawood narrate from Abu Ma’mar, who says, "We asked Khabbab radiyallahu anhu, did the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam recite the Qur’an in Zuhr and Asar prayers?" He replied, "Yes." We asked him how he knew this. He said, "From the movement of his beard."

Translation: Muslim narrates from Jabir ibn Samura radiyallahu anhu, who says, "The front part of the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam’s hair and beard had become grey. When he used to apply oil, it was not apparent but when the hair was unkempt it use to become apparent. The Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam had a dense beard."

Translation: At’a ibn Yasir radiyallahu anhu says, "The Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam was in the mosque, when a man entered who’s hair and beard were unkempt. The Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam indicated towards him with his hand as though he was ordering him to adjust his hair and beard. The Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam said, ‘Is this not better than coming with unkempt hair like shaitan.’"

Translation: Aisha radiyallahu anha relates that the Messenger of Allah sallallahu alaihe wasallam said, "Ten things are of nature in which shortening the moustache and growing a full beard are mentioned."

Translation: Amongst the fitraat (Deen) of Islam is the cutting of the moustache and the lengthening of the beard, for surely the Majoos (Fire worshippers) lengthen their moustaches and cut their beards. In these two hadith, it has been mentioned that the beard is the natural beauty of a man. To shave it is a unnatural act. Also, shaving the beard is imitating the Kuffar, which is forbidden in Islam.

Translation: Ibn Al Jawzy narrates in Al Wafa Bi Ahwal Al Mustafa from Ali ibn Abi Talib that the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam had a full beard.

Translation: Tirmidhi narrates in his Shamaail from Abu Hala, who used to describe the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam. He says that the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam had a copious beard.

Translation: Muslim narrates from Ibn Umar that the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam said, "Oppose the Mushrikeen (polytheists), shorten the moustache and lengthen the beard."

In another hadith, the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam warns the Muslims not to imitate the Kuffar. It is stated in the hadith:

Translation: The Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam said, "One who imitates another nation, he is from amongst them." This is a severe warning to those Muslims who wish to imitate the non Muslims in their dress and appearance.

Translation: Anas radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam, most of the time used to oil his hair and comb his beard.

The Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam used to take care of his beard and hair. In one of the hadith that has been previously mentioned, the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam told a man to comb his hair and beard. He also given the similarity of a man who has unkempt hair and beard with the devil.

To conclude, the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam has emphatically commanded the Muslims to grow a beard. He also gave a severe warning to those who oppose this command, especially those people who openly oppose it. In a hadith it is mentioned:

Translation: "All the sinners of my Ummah are forgiven except those who commit sins openly."

This is a warning to those people who openly shave their beards and have no shame in doing this act. May Allah give us all the ability to act upon the commands of the Shari’ah. Ameen.

Nafi
July 1, 2011, 12:19 PM
Everything taught by mainstream 'muslim' scholars\mullahs is likely to be an innovation EXCEPT al-Quran.
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Banglaguy
July 1, 2011, 12:20 PM
Everything taught by mainstream 'muslim' scholars\mullahs is an innovation BUT al-Quran.
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Sorry bro, but you just gave a contradicting post. Everything is innovation, but then how is it Quran then?

Nafi
July 1, 2011, 12:30 PM
I don't understand your post, I edited mine for clarification.
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Isnaad
July 1, 2011, 12:42 PM
Honestly speaking, many of us may feel bad reading these posts of Banglaguy i.e Shafi regarding Hijaab, Interest etc. But if we think deeply, these are all true. No hiding, I commit a lot of sins knowingly even. But I am ashamed of my bad deeds. Repentance is what Allah expects from us. He knows very well that we aren't perfect as He created us.
Thanks Shafi. I did find your previous posts to be really helpful.
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Banglaguy
July 1, 2011, 12:46 PM
Honestly speaking, many of us may feel bad reading these posts of Banglaguy i.e Shafi regarding Hijaab, Interest etc. But if we think deeply, these are all true. No hiding, I commit a lot of sins knowingly even. But I am ashamed of my bad deeds. Repentance is what Allah expects from us. He knows very well that we aren't perfect as He created us.
Thanks Shafi. I did find your previous posts to be really helpful.
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Your welcome bro. It's natural for humans to sin, we are all prone to mistakes. No one is perfect, actually, we can't be. But what we can do is try, try and imitate the light that was given to us. Follow the sunnah, and build your deen on 5 pillars. But remember, those pillars won't raise themselves. No one has done enough to enter Jannah, not even alim's, but the thing that will inshallah take us their is the forgivness of our lord.

firstlane
July 2, 2011, 09:47 AM
A few Hadith on Hijab:

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 368: Narrated 'Aisha:

Allah's Apostle used to offer the Fajr prayer and some believing women covered with their veiling sheets used to attend the Fajr prayer with him and then they would return to their homes unrecognized.

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 395: Narrated 'Umar (bin Al-Khattab):

My Lord agreed with me in three things:
1. I said,"O Allah's Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g. two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka'ba)". (2.125)
2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.
3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5).

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 552: Narrated 'Aisha:

The believing women covered with their veiling sheets used to attend the Fajr prayer with Allah's Apostle, and after finishing the prayer they would return to their home and nobody could recognize them because of darkness.

Volume 3, Book 48, Number 829: Narrated Aisha:

(the wife of the Prophet) "Whenever Allah's Apostle intended to go on a journey, he would draw lots amongst his wives and would take with him the one upon whom the lot fell. During a Ghazwa of his, he drew lots amongst us and the lot fell upon me, and I proceeded with him after Allah had decreed the use of the veil by women. I was carried in a Howdah (on the camel) and dismounted while still in it. When Allah's Apostle was through with his Ghazwa and returned home, and we approached the city of Medina, Allah's Apostle ordered us to proceed at night. When the order of setting off was given, I walked till I was past the army to answer the call of nature. After finishing I returned (to the camp) to depart (with the others) and suddenly realized that my necklace over my chest was missing. So, I returned to look for it and was delayed because of that. The people who used to carry me on the camel, came to my Howdah and put it on the back of the camel, thinking that I was in it, as, at that time, women were light in weight, and thin and lean, and did not use to eat much. So, those people did not feel the difference in the heaviness of the Howdah while lifting it, and they put it over the camel. At that time I was a young lady. They set the camel moving and proceeded on. I found my necklace after the army had gone, and came to their camp to find nobody. So, I went to the place where I used to stay, thinking that they would discover my absence and come back in my search. While in that state, I felt sleepy and slept.
Safwan bin Mu'attal As-Sulami Adh-Dhakwani was behind the army and reached my abode in the morning. When he saw a sleeping person, he came to me, and he used to see me before veiling. So, I got up when I heard him saying, "Inna lil-lah-wa inn a ilaihi rajiun (We are for Allah, and we will return to Him)." He made his camel knell down. He got down from his camel, and put his leg on the front legs of the camel and then I rode and sat over it. Safwan set out walking, leading the camel by the rope till we reached the army who had halted to take rest at midday. Then whoever was meant for destruction, fell into destruction, (some people accused me falsely) and the leader of the false accusers was 'Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul. After that we returned to Medina, and I became ill for one month while the people were spreading the forged statements of the false accusers. I was feeling during my ailment as if I were not receiving the usual kindness from the Prophet which I used to receive from him when I got sick. But he would come, greet and say, 'How is that (girl)?' I did not know anything of what was going on till I recovered from my ailment and went out with Um Mistah to the Manasi where we used to answer the call of nature, and we used not to go to answer the call of nature except from night to night and that was before we had lavatories near to our houses. And this habit of ours was similar to the habit of the old 'Arabs in the open country (or away from houses). So. I and Um Mistah bint Ruhm went out walking. Um Mistah stumbled because of her long dress and on that she said, 'Let Mistah be ruined.' I said, 'You are saying a bad word. Why are you abusing a man who took part in (the battle of) Badr?' She said, 'O Hanata (you there) didn't you hear what they said?' Then she told me the rumors of the false accusers.
My sickness was aggravated, and when I returned home, Allah's Apostle came to me, and after greeting he said, 'How is that (girl)?' I requested him to allow me to go to my parents. I wanted then to be sure of the news through them I Allah's Apostle allowed me, and I went to my parents and asked my mother, 'What are the people talking about?' She said, 'O my daughter! Don't worry much about this matter. By Allah, never is there a charming woman loved by her husband who has other wives, but the women would forge false news about her.' I said, 'Glorified be Allah! Are the people really taking of this matter?' That night I kept on weeping and could not sleep till morning. In the morning Allah's Apostle called Ali bin Abu Talib and Usama bin Zaid when he saw the Divine Inspiration delayed, to consul them about divorcing his wife (i.e. 'Aisha). Usama bin Zaid said what he knew of the good reputation of his wives and added, 'O Allah's Apostle! Keep you wife, for, by Allah, we know nothing about her but good.' 'Ali bin Abu Talib said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Allah has no imposed restrictions on you, and there are many women other than she, yet you may ask the woman-servant who will tell you the truth.' On that Allah's Apostle called Buraira and said, 'O Burair. Did you ever see anything which roused your suspicions about her?' Buraira said, 'No, by Allah Who has sent you with the Truth, I have never seen in her anything faulty except that she is a girl of immature age, who sometimes sleeps and leaves the dough for the goats to eat.' On that day Allah's Apostle ascended the pulpit and requested that somebody support him in punishing 'Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul. Allah's Apostle said, 'Who will support me to punish that person ('Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul) who has hurt me by slandering the reputation of my family? By Allah, I know nothing about my family but good, and they have accused a person about whom I know nothing except good, and he never entered my house except in my company.'
Sad bin Mu'adh got up and said, 'O Allah's Apostle! by Allah, I will relieve you from him. If that man is from the tribe of the Aus, then we will chop his head off, and if he is from our brothers, the Khazraj, then order us, and we will fulfill your order.' On that Sad bin 'Ubada, the chief of the Khazraj and before this incident, he had been a pious man, got up, motivated by his zeal for his tribe and said, 'By Allah, you have told a lie; you cannot kill him, and you will never be able to kill him.' On that Usaid bin Al-Hadir got up and said (to Sad bin 'Ubada), 'By Allah! you are a liar. By Allah, we will kill him; and you are a hypocrite, defending the hypocrites.' On this the two tribes of Aus and Khazraj got excited and were about to fight each other, while Allah's Apostle was standing on the pulpit. He got down and quietened them till they became silent and he kept quiet. On that day I kept on weeping so much so that neither did my tears stop, nor could I sleep.
In the morning my parents were with me and I had wept for two nights and a day, till I thought my liver would burst from weeping. While they were sitting with me and I was weeping, an Ansari woman asked my permission to enter, and I allowed her to come in. She sat down and started weeping with me. While we were in this state, Allah's Apostle came and sat down and he had never sat with me since the day they forged the accusation. No revelation regarding my case came to him for a month. He recited Tashah-hud (i.e. None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is His Apostle) and then said, 'O 'Aisha! I have been informed such-and-such about you; if you are innocent, then Allah will soon reveal your innocence, and if you have committed a sin, then repent to Allah and ask Him to forgive you, for when a person confesses his sin and asks Allah for forgiveness, Allah accepts his repentance.' When Allah's Apostle finished his speech my tears ceased completely and there remained not even a single drop of it. I requested my father to reply to Allah's Apostle on my behalf. My father said, By Allah, I do not know what to say to Allah's Apostle.' I said to my mother, 'Talk to Allah's Apostle on my behalf.' She said, 'By Allah, I do not know what to say to Allah's Apostle.
I was a young girl and did not have much knowledge of the Quran. I said. 'I know, by Allah, that you have listened to what people are saying and that has been planted in your minds and you have taken it as a truth. Now, if I told you that I am innocent and Allah knows that I am innocent, you would not believe me and if I confessed to you falsely that I am guilty, and Allah knows that I am innocent you would believe me. By Allah, I don't compare my situation with you except to the situation of Joseph's father (i.e. Jacob) who said, 'So (for me) patience is most fitting against that which you assert and it is Allah (Alone) whose help can be sought.' Then I turned to the other side of my bed hoping that Allah would prove my innocence. By Allah I never thought that Allah would reveal Divine Inspiration in my case, as I considered myself too inferior to be talked of in the Holy Qur'an. I had hoped that Allah's Apostle might have a dream in which Allah would prove my innocence. By Allah, Allah's Apostle had not got up and nobody had left the house before the Divine Inspiration came to Allah's Apostle. So, there overtook him the same state which used to overtake him, (when he used to have, on being inspired divinely). He was sweating so much so that the drops of the sweat were dropping like pearls though it was a (cold) wintry day. When that state of Allah's Apostle was over, he was smiling and the first word he said, 'Aisha! Thank Allah, for Allah has declared your innocence.' My mother told me to go to Allah's Apostle . I replied, 'By Allah I will not go to him and will not thank but Allah.' So Allah revealed: "Verily! They who spread the slander are a gang among you . . ." (24.11)
When Allah gave the declaration of my Innocence, Abu Bakr, who used to provide for Mistah bin Uthatha for he was his relative, said, 'By Allah, I will never provide Mistah with anything because of what he said about Aisha.' But Allah later revealed: --
"And let not those who are good and wealthy among you swear not to help their kinsmen, those in need and those who left their homes in Allah's Cause. Let them forgive and overlook. Do you not wish that Allah should forgive you? Verily! Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." (24.22) After that Abu Bakr said, 'Yes ! By Allah! I like that Allah should forgive me,' and resumed helping Mistah whom he used to help before.
Allah's Apostle also asked Zainab bint Jahsh (i.e. the Prophet's wife about me saying, 'What do you know and what did you see?' She replied, 'O Allah's Apostle! I refrain to claim hearing or seeing what I have not heard or seen. By Allah, I know nothing except goodness about Aisha." Aisha further added "Zainab was competing with me (in her beauty and the Prophet's love), yet Allah protected her (from being malicious), for she had piety."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 130: Narrated 'Aisha:

Whenever the Prophet intended to proceed on a journey, he used to draw lots amongst his wives and would take the one upon whom the lot fell. Once, before setting out for Jihad, he drew lots amongst us and the lot came to me; so I went with the Prophet; and that happened after the revelation of the Verse Hijab (i.e. veiling).

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 462: Narrated 'Aisha:

Whenever Allah's Apostle intended to go on a journey, he used to draw lots amongst his wives, and Allah's Apostle used to take with him the one on whom lot fell. He drew lots amongst us during one of the Ghazwat which he fought. The lot fell on me and so I proceeded with Allah's Apostle after Allah's order of veiling (the women) had been revealed. I was carried (on the back of a camel) in my howdah and carried down while still in it (when we came to a halt). So we went on till Allah's Apostle had finished from that Ghazwa of his and returned.
When we approached the city of Medina he announced at night that it was time for departure. So when they announced the news of departure, I got up and went away from the army camps, and after finishing from the call of nature, I came back to my riding animal. I touched my chest to find that my necklace which was made of Zifar beads (i.e. Yemenite beads partly black and partly white) was missing. So I returned to look for my necklace and my search for it detained me. (In the meanwhile) the people who used to carry me on my camel, came and took my howdah and put it on the back of my camel on which I used to ride, as they considered that I was in it. In those days women were light in weight for they did not get fat, and flesh did not cover their bodies in abundance as they used to eat only a little food. Those people therefore, disregarded the lightness of the howdah while lifting and carrying it; and at that time I was still a young girl. They made the camel rise and all of them left (along with it). I found my necklace after the army had gone.
Then I came to their camping place to find no call maker of them, nor one who would respond to the call. So I intended to go to the place where I used to stay, thinking that they would miss me and come back to me (in my search). While I was sitting in my resting place, I was overwhelmed by sleep and slept. Safwan bin Al-Muattal As-Sulami Adh-Dhakwani was behind the army. When he reached my place in the morning, he saw the figure of a sleeping person and he recognized me on seeing me as he had seen me before the order of compulsory veiling (was prescribed). So I woke up when he recited Istirja' (i.e. "Inna lillahi wa inna llaihi raji'un") as soon as he recognized me. I veiled my face with my head cover at once, and by Allah, we did not speak a single word, and I did not hear him saying any word besides his Istirja'. He dismounted from his camel and made it kneel down, putting his leg on its front legs and then I got up and rode on it. Then he set out leading the camel that was carrying me till we overtook the army in the extreme heat of midday while they were at a halt (taking a rest). (Because of the event) some people brought destruction upon themselves and the one who spread the Ifk (i.e. slander) more, was 'Abdullah bin Ubai Ibn Salul."
(Urwa said, "The people propagated the slander and talked about it in his (i.e. 'Abdullah's) presence and he confirmed it and listened to it and asked about it to let it prevail." Urwa also added, "None was mentioned as members of the slanderous group besides ('Abdullah) except Hassan bin Thabit and Mistah bin Uthatha and Hamna bint Jahsh along with others about whom I have no knowledge, but they were a group as Allah said. It is said that the one who carried most of the slander was 'Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul." Urwa added, "'Aisha disliked to have Hassan abused in her presence and she used to say, 'It was he who said: My father and his (i.e. my father's) father and my honor are all for the protection of Muhammad's honor from you.").
'Aisha added, "After we returned to Medina, I became ill for a month. The people were propagating the forged statements of the slanderers while I was unaware of anything of all that, but I felt that in my present ailment, I was not receiving the same kindness from Allah's Apostle as I used to receive when I got sick. (But now) Allah's Apostle would only come, greet me and say,' How is that (lady)?' and leave. That roused my doubts, but I did not discover the evil (i.e. slander) till I went out after my convalescence, I went out with Um Mistah to Al-Manasi' where we used to answer the call of nature and we used not to go out (to answer the call of nature) except at night, and that was before we had latrines near our houses. And this habit of our concerning evacuating the bowels, was similar to the habits of the old 'Arabs living in the deserts, for it would be troublesome for us to take latrines near our houses. So I and Um Mistah who was the daughter of Abu Ruhm bin Al-Muttalib bin Abd Manaf, whose mother was the daughter of Sakhr bin 'Amir and the aunt of Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and whose son was Mistah bin Uthatha bin 'Abbas bin Al-Muttalib, went out. I and Um Mistah returned to my house after we finished answering the call of nature. Um Mistah stumbled by getting her foot entangled in her covering sheet and on that she said, 'Let Mistah be ruined!' I said, 'What a hard word you have said. Do you abuse a man who took part in the battle of Badr?' On that she said, 'O you Hantah! Didn't you hear what he (i.e. Mistah) said? 'I said, 'What did he say?'
Then she told me the slander of the people of Ifk. So my ailment was aggravated, and when I reached my home, Allah's Apostle came to me, and after greeting me, said, 'How is that (lady)?' I said, 'Will you allow me to go to my parents?' as I wanted to be sure about the news through them. Allah's Apostle allowed me (and I went to my parents) and asked my mother, 'O mother! What are the people talking about?' She said, 'O my daughter! Don't worry, for scarcely is there a charming woman who is loved by her husband and whose husband has other wives besides herself that they (i.e. women) would find faults with her.' I said, 'Subhan-Allah! (I testify the uniqueness of Allah). Are the people really talking in this way?' I kept on weeping that night till dawn I could neither stop weeping nor sleep then in the morning again, I kept on weeping. When the Divine Inspiration was delayed.
Allah's Apostle called 'Ali bin Abi Talib and Usama bin Zaid to ask and consult them about divorcing me. Usama bin Zaid said what he knew of my innocence, and the respect he preserved in himself for me. Usama said, '(O Allah's Apostle!) She is your wife and we do not know anything except good about her.' 'Ali bin Abi Talib said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Allah does not put you in difficulty and there are plenty of women other than she, yet, ask the maid-servant who will tell you the truth.' On that Allah's Apostle called Barira (i.e. the maid-servant) and said, 'O Barira! Did you ever see anything which aroused your suspicion?' Barira said to him, 'By Him Who has sent you with the Truth. I have never seen anything in her (i.e. Aisha) which I would conceal, except that she is a young girl who sleeps leaving the dough of her family exposed so that the domestic goats come and eat it.'
So, on that day, Allah's Apostle got up on the pulpit and complained about 'Abdullah bin Ubai (bin Salul) before his companions, saying, 'O you Muslims! Who will relieve me from that man who has hurt me with his evil statement about my family? By Allah, I know nothing except good about my family and they have blamed a man about whom I know nothing except good and he used never to enter my home except with me.' Sad bin Mu'adh the brother of Banu 'Abd Al-Ashhal got up and said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I will relieve you from him; if he is from the tribe of Al-Aus, then I will chop his head off, and if he is from our brothers, i.e. Al-Khazraj, then order us, and we will fulfill your order.' On that, a man from Al-Khazraj got up. Um Hassan, his cousin, was from his branch tribe, and he was Sad bin Ubada, chief of Al-Khazraj. Before this incident, he was a pious man, but his love for his tribe goaded him into saying to Sad (bin Mu'adh). 'By Allah, you have told a lie; you shall not and cannot kill him. If he belonged to your people, you would not wish him to be killed.'
On that, Usaid bin Hudair who was the cousin of Sad (bin Mu'adh) got up and said to Sad bin 'Ubada, 'By Allah! You are a liar! We will surely kill him, and you are a hypocrite arguing on the behalf of hypocrites.' On this, the two tribes of Al-Aus and Al Khazraj got so much excited that they were about to fight while Allah's Apostle was standing on the pulpit. Allah's Apostle kept on quietening them till they became silent and so did he. All that day I kept on weeping with my tears never ceasing, and I could never sleep.
In the morning my parents were with me and I wept for two nights and a day with my tears never ceasing and I could never sleep till I thought that my liver would burst from weeping. So, while my parents were sitting with me and I was weeping, an Ansari woman asked me to grant her admittance. I allowed her to come in, and when she came in, she sat down and started weeping with me. While we were in this state, Allah's Apostle came, greeted us and sat down. He had never sat with me since that day of the slander. A month had elapsed and no Divine Inspiration came to him about my case. Allah's Apostle then recited Tashah-hud and then said, 'Amma Badu, O 'Aisha! I have been informed so-and-so about you; if you are innocent, then soon Allah will reveal your innocence, and if you have committed a sin, then repent to Allah and ask Him for forgiveness for when a slave confesses his sins and asks Allah for forgiveness, Allah accepts his repentance.'
When Allah's Apostle finished his speech, my tears ceased flowing completely that I no longer felt a single drop of tear flowing. I said to my father, 'Reply to Allah's Apostle on my behalf concerning what he has said.' My father said, 'By Allah, I do not know what to say to Allah's Apostle .' Then I said to my mother, 'Reply to Allah's Apostle on my behalf concerning what he has said.' She said, 'By Allah, I do not know what to say to Allah's Apostle.' In spite of the fact that I was a young girl and had a little knowledge of Quran, I said, 'By Allah, no doubt I know that you heard this (slanderous) speech so that it has been planted in your hearts (i.e. minds) and you have taken it as a truth. Now if I tell you that I am innocent, you will not believe me, and if confess to you about it, and Allah knows that I am innocent, you will surely believe me. By Allah, I find no similitude for me and you except that of Joseph's father when he said, '(For me) patience in the most fitting against that which you assert; it is Allah (Alone) Whose Help can be sought.' Then I turned to the other side and lay on my bed; and Allah knew then that I was innocent and hoped that Allah would reveal my innocence. But, by Allah, I never thought that Allah would reveal about my case, Divine Inspiration, that would be recited (forever) as I considered myself too unworthy to be talked of by Allah with something of my concern, but I hoped that Allah's Apostle might have a dream in which Allah would prove my innocence. But, by Allah, before Allah's Apostle left his seat and before any of the household left, the Divine inspiration came to Allah's Apostle.
So there overtook him the same hard condition which used to overtake him, (when he used to be inspired Divinely). The sweat was dropping from his body like pearls though it was a wintry day and that was because of the weighty statement which was being revealed to him. When that state of Allah's Apostle was over, he got up smiling, and the first word he said was, 'O 'Aisha! Allah has declared your innocence!' Then my Mother said to me, 'Get up and go to him (i.e. Allah's Apostle). I replied, 'By Allah, I will not go to him, and I praise none but Allah. So Allah revealed the ten Verses:-- "Verily! They who spread the slander Are a gang, among you............." (24.11-20)
Allah revealed those Quranic Verses to declare my innocence. Abu Bakr As-Siddiq who used to disburse money for Mistah bin Uthatha because of his relationship to him and his poverty, said, 'By Allah, I will never give to Mistah bin Uthatha anything after what he has said about Aisha.' Then Allah revealed:--
"And let not those among you who are good and wealthy swear not to give (any sort of help) to their kinsmen, those in need, and those who have left their homes for Allah's cause, let them pardon and forgive. Do you not love that Allah should forgive you? And Allah is oft-Forgiving Most Merciful." (24.22)
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq said, 'Yes, by Allah, I would like that Allah forgive me.' and went on giving Mistah the money he used to give him before. He also added, 'By Allah, I will never deprive him of it at all.'
Aisha further said:." Allah's Apostle also asked Zainab bint Jahsh (i.e. his wife) about my case. He said to Zainab, 'What do you know and what did you see?" She replied, "O Allah's Apostle! I refrain from claiming falsely that I have heard or seen anything. By Allah, I know nothing except good (about 'Aisha).' From amongst the wives of the Prophet Zainab was my peer (in beauty and in the love she received from the Prophet) but Allah saved her from that evil because of her piety. Her sister Hamna, started struggling on her behalf and she was destroyed along with those who were destroyed. The man who was blamed said, 'Subhan-Allah! By Him in Whose Hand my soul is, I have never uncovered the cover (i.e. veil) of any female.' Later on the man was martyred in Allah's Cause."

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 10: Narrated Anas:

Umar said, "I agreed with Allah in three things," or said, "My Lord agreed with me in three things. I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Would that you took the station of Abraham as a place of prayer.' I also said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Good and bad persons visit you! Would that you ordered the Mothers of the believers to cover themselves with veils.' So the Divine Verses of Al-Hijab (i.e. veiling of the women) were revealed. I came to know that the Prophet had blamed some of his wives so I entered upon them and said, 'You should either stop (troubling the Prophet ) or else Allah will give His Apostle better wives than you.' When I came to one of his wives, she said to me, 'O 'Umar! Does Allah's Apostle haven't what he could advise his wives with, that you try to advise them?' " Thereupon Allah revealed:--
"It may be, if he divorced you (all) his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you Muslims (who submit to Allah).." (66.5)

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 274: Narrated Aisha:

(The wife of the Prophet) Whenever Allah's Apostle intended to go on a journey, he used to draw lots among his wives and would take with him the one on whom the lot had fallen. Once he drew lots when he wanted to carry out a Ghazwa, and the lot came upon me. So I proceeded with Allah's Apostle after Allah's order of veiling (the women) had been revealed and thus I was carried in my howdah (on a camel) and dismounted while still in it. We carried on our journey, and when Allah's Apostle had finished his Ghazwa and returned and we approached Medina, Allah's Apostle ordered to proceed at night. When the army was ordered to resume the homeward journey, I got up and walked on till I left the army (camp) behind. When I had answered the call of nature, I went towards my howdah, but behold ! A necklace of mine made of Jaz Azfar (a kind of black bead) was broken and I looked for it and my search for it detained me. The group of people who used to carry me, came and carried my howdah on to the back of my camel on which I was riding, considering that I was therein. At that time women were light in weight and were not fleshy for they used to eat little (food), so those people did not feel the lightness of the howdah while raising it up, and I was still a young lady. They drove away the camel and proceeded. Then I found my necklace after the army had gone. I came to their camp but found nobody therein so I went to the place where I used to stay, thinking that they would miss me and come back in my search. While I was sitting at my place, I felt sleepy and slept. Safwan bin Al-Mu'attil As-Sulami Adh-Dhakw-ani was behind the army. He had started in the last part of the night and reached my stationing place in the morning and saw the figure of a sleeping person. He came to me and recognized me on seeing me for he used to see me before veiling. I got up because of his saying: "Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajiun," which he uttered on recognizing me. I covered my face with my garment, and by Allah, he did not say to me a single word except, "Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajiun," till he made his she-camel kneel down whereupon he trod on its forelegs and I mounted it. Then Safwan set out, leading the she-camel that was carrying me, till we met the army while they were resting during the hot midday. Then whoever was meant for destruction, fell in destruction, and the leader of the Ifk (forged statement) was 'Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul. After this we arrived at Medina and I became ill for one month while the people were spreading the forged statements of the people of the Ifk, and I was not aware of anything thereof. But what aroused my doubt while I was sick, was that I was no longer receiving from Allah's Apostle the same kindness as I used to receive when I fell sick. Allah's Apostle would enter upon me, say a greeting and add, "How is that (lady)?" and then depart.
That aroused my suspicion but I was not aware of the propagated evil till I recovered from my ailment. I went out with Um Mistah to answer the call of nature towards Al-Manasi, the place where we used to relieve ourselves, and used not to go out for this purpose except from night to night, and that was before we had lavatories close to our houses. And this habit of ours was similar to the habit of the old 'Arabs (in the deserts or in the tents) concerning the evacuation of the bowels, for we considered it troublesome and harmful to take lavatories in the houses. So I went out with Um Mistah who was the daughter of Abi Ruhm bin Abd Manaf, and her mother was daughter of Sakhr bin Amir who was the aunt of Abi Bakr As-Siddiq, and her son was Mistah bin Uthatha. When we had finished our affair, Um Mistah and I came back towards my house. Um Mistah stumbled over her robe whereupon she said, "Let Mistah be ruined ! " I said to her, "What a bad word you have said! Do you abuse a man who has taken part in the Battle of Badr?' She said, "O you there! Didn't you hear what he has said?" I said, "And what did he say?" She then told me the statement of the people of the Ifk (forged statement) which added to my ailment. When I returned home, Allah's Apostle came to me, and after greeting, he said, "How is that (lady)?" I said, "Will you allow me to go to my parents?" At that time I intended to be sure of the news through them. Allah's Apostle allowed me and I went to my parents and asked my mother, "O my mother! What are the people talking about?" My mother said, "O my daughter! Take it easy, for by Allah, there is no charming lady who is loved by her husband who has other wives as well, but that those wives would find fault with her." I said, "Subhan Allah! Did the people really talk about that?"
That night I kept on weeping the whole night till the morning. My tears never stopped, nor did I sleep, and morning broke while I was still weeping, Allah's Apostle called 'Ali bin Abi Talib and Usama bin Zaid when the Divine Inspiration delayed, in order to consult them as to the idea of divorcing his wife. Usama bin Zaid told Allah's Apostle of what he knew about the innocence of his wife and of his affection he kept for her. He said, "O Allah's Apostle! She is your wife, and we do not know anything about her except good." But 'Ali bin Abi Talib said, "O Allah's Apostle! Allah does not impose restrictions on you; and there are plenty of women other than her. If you however, ask (her) slave girl, she will tell you the truth." 'Aisha added: So Allah's Apostle called for Barira and said, "O Barira! Did you ever see anything which might have aroused your suspicion? (as regards Aisha). Barira said, "By Allah Who has sent you with the truth, I have never seen anything regarding Aisha which I would blame her for except that she is a girl of immature age who sometimes sleeps and leaves the dough of her family unprotected so that the domestic goats come and eat it." So Allah's Apostle got up (and addressed) the people an asked for somebody who would take revenge on 'Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul then. Allah's Apostle, while on the pulpit, said, "O Muslims! Who will help me against a man who has hurt me by slandering my family? By Allah, I know nothing except good about my family, and people have blamed a man of whom I know nothing except good, and he never used to visit my family except with me," Sad bin Muadh Al-Ansari got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! By Allah, I will relieve you from him. If he be from the tribe of (Bani) Al-Aus, then I will chop his head off; and if he be from our brethren, the Khazraj, then you give us your order and we will obey it." On that, Sad bin 'Ubada got up, and he was the chief of the Khazraj, and before this incident he had been a pious man but he was incited by his zeal for his tribe. He said to Sad (bin Muadh), "By Allah the Eternal, you have told a lie! You shall not kill him and you will never be able to kill him!" On that, Usaid bin Hudair, the cousin of Sad (bin Muadh) got up and said to Sad bin 'Ubada, "You are a liar! By Allah the Eternal, we will surely kill him; and you are a hypocrite defending the hypocrites!" So the two tribes of Al-Aus and Al-Khazraj got excited till they were on the point of fighting with each other while Allah's Apostle was standing on the pulpit. Allah's Apostle continued quietening them till they became silent whereupon he became silent too. On that day I kept on weeping so much that neither did my tears stop, nor could I sleep. In the morning my parents were with me, and I had wept for two nights and a day without sleeping and with incessant tears till they thought that my liver would burst with weeping. While they were with me and I was weeping, an Ansari woman asked permission to see me. I admitted her and she sat and started weeping with me. While I was in that state, Allah's Apostle came to us, greeted, and sat down,. He had never sat with me since the day what was said, was said. He had stayed a month without receiving any Divine Inspiration concerning my case. Allah's Apostle recited the Tashahhud after he had sat down, and then said, "Thereafter, O 'Aisha! I have been informed such and-such a thing about you; and if you are innocent, Allah will reveal your innocence, and if you have committed a sin, then ask for Allah's forgiveness and repent to Him, for when a slave confesses his sin and then repents to Allah, Allah accepts his repentance." When Allah's Apostle had finished his speech, my tears ceased completely so that I no longer felt even a drop thereof. Then I said to my father, "Reply to Allah's Apostle on my behalf as to what he said." He said, "By Allah, I do not know what to say to Allah's Apostle." Then I said to my mother, "Reply to Allah's Apostle."
She said, "I do not know what to say to Allah's Apostle." Still a young girl as I was and though I had little knowledge of Quran, I said, "By Allah, I know that you heard this story (of the Ifk) so much so that it has been planted in your minds and you have believed it. So now, if I tell you that I am innocent, and Allah knows that I am innocent, you will not believe me; and if I confess something, and Allah knows that I am innocent of it, you will believe me. By Allah, I cannot find of you an example except that of Joseph's father: "So (for me) patience is most fitting against that which you assert and it is Allah (Alone) Whose help can be sought. Then I turned away and lay on my bed, and at that time I knew that I was innocent and that Allah would reveal my innocence. But by Allah, I never thought that Allah would sent down about my affair, Divine Inspiration that would be recited (forever), as I considered myself too unworthy to be talked of by Allah with something that was to be recited: but I hoped that Allah's Apostle might have a vision in which Allah would prove my innocence. By Allah, Allah's Apostle had not left his seat and nobody had left the house when the Divine Inspiration came to Allah's Apostle . So there overtook him the same hard condition which used to overtake him (when he was Divinely Inspired) so that the drops of his sweat were running down, like pearls, though it was a (cold) winter day, and that was because of the heaviness of the Statement which was revealed to him. When that state of Allah's Apostle was over, and he was smiling when he was relieved, the first word he said was, "Aisha, Allah has declared your innocence." My mother said to me, "Get up and go to him." I said, "By Allah, I will not go to him and I will not thank anybody but Allah." So Allah revealed: "Verily! They who spread the Slander are a gang among you. Think it not...." (24.11-20).
When Allah revealed this to confirm my innocence, Abu Bakr As-Siddiq who used to provide for Mistah bin Uthatha because of the latter's kinship to him and his poverty, said, "By Allah, I will never provide for Mistah anything after what he has said about Aisha". So Allah revealed:
"Let not those among you who are good and are wealthy swear not to give (help) to their kinsmen, those in need, and those who have left their homes for Allah's Cause. Let them Pardon and forgive (i.e. do not punish them). Do you not love that should forgive you? Verily Allah is Oft-forgiving. Most Merciful." (24.22)
Abu Bakr said, "Yes, by Allah, I wish that Allah should forgive me." So he resumed giving Mistah the aid he used to give him before and said, "By Allah, I will never withold it from him at all." Aisha further said: Allah's Apostle also asked Zainab bint Jahsh about my case. He said, "O Zainab! What have you seen?" She replied, "O Allah's Apostle! I protect my hearing and my sight (by refraining from telling lies). I know nothing but good (about Aisha)." Of all the wives of Allah's Apostle, it was Zainab who aspired to receive from him the same favor as I used to receive, yet, Allah saved her (from telling lies) because of her piety. But her sister, Hamna, kept on fighting on her behalf so she was destroyed as were those who invented and spread the slander.

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 95: Narrated Anas bin Malik:

I was ten years old when Allah's Apostle arrived at Medina. My mother and aunts used to urge me to serve the Prophet regularly, and I served him for ten years. When the Prophet died I was twenty years old, and I knew about the order of Al-Hijab (veiling of ladies) more than any other person when it was revealed. It was revealed for the first time when Allah's Apostle had consummated his marriage with Zainab bint Jahsh. When the day dawned, the Prophet was a bridegroom and he invited the people to a banquet, so they came, ate, and then all left except a few who remained with the Prophet for a long time. The Prophet got up and went out, and I too went out with him so that those people might leave too. The Prophet proceeded and so did I, till he came to the threshold of 'Aisha's dwelling place. Then thinking that these people have left by then, he returned and so did I along with him till he entered upon Zainab and behold, they were still sitting and had not gone. So the Prophet again went away and I went away along with him. When we reached the threshold of 'Aisha's dwelling place, he thought that they had left, and so he returned and I too, returned along with him and found those people had left. Then the Prophet drew a curtain between me and him, and the Verses of Al-Hijab were revealed.

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 166: Narrated 'Aisha:

My foster uncle came and asked permission (to enter) but I refused to admit him till I asked Allah's Apostle about that. He said, "He is your uncle, so allow him to come in." I said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have been suckled by a woman and not by a man." Allah's Apostle said, "He is your uncle, so let him enter upon you." And that happened after the order of Al-Hijab (compulsory veiling) was revealed. All things which become unlawful because of blood relations are unlawful because of the corresponding foster suckling relations.

Volume 7, Book 65, Number 375: Narrated Anas:

I know (about) the Hijab (the order of veiling of women) more than anybody else. Ubai bin Ka'b used to ask me about it. Allah's Apostle became the bridegroom of Zainab bint Jahsh whom he married at Medina. After the sun had risen high in the sky, the Prophet invited the people to a meal. Allah's Apostle remained sitting and some people remained sitting with him after the other guests had left. Then Allah's Apostle got up and went away, and I too, followed him till he reached the door of 'Aisha's room. Then he thought that the people must have left the place by then, so he returned and I also returned with him. Behold, the people were still sitting at their places. So he went back again for the second time, and I went along with him too. When we reached the door of 'Aisha's room, he returned and I also returned with him to see that the people had left. Thereupon the Prophet hung a curtain between me and him and the Verse regarding the order for (veiling of women) Hijab was revealed.

Volume 8, Book 73, Number 177: Narrated 'Aisha:

Allah, the brother of Abu Al-Qu'ais asked my permission to enter after the verses of Al-Hijab (veiling the ladies) was revealed, and I said, "By Allah, I will not admit him unless I take permission of Allah's Apostle for it was not the brother of Al-Qu'ais who had suckled me, but it was the wife of Al-Qu'ais, who had suckled me." Then Allah's Apostle entered upon me, and I said, "O Allah's Apostle! The man has not nursed me but his wife has nursed me." He said, "Admit him because he is your uncle (not from blood relation, but because you have been nursed by his wife), Taribat Yaminuki." 'Urwa said, "Because of this reason, ' Aisha used to say: Foster suckling relations render all those things (marriages etc.) illegal which are illegal because of the corresponding blood relations." (See Hadith No. 36, Vol. 7)

Volume 8, Book 74, Number 257: Narrated 'Aisha:

(the wife of the Prophet) 'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to say to Allah's Apostle "Let your wives be veiled" But he did not do so. The wives of the Prophet used to go out to answer the call of nature at night only at Al-Manasi.' Once Sauda, the daughter of Zam'a went out and she was a tall woman. 'Umar bin Al-Khattab saw her while he was in a gathering, and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda!" He ('Umar) said so as he was anxious for some Divine orders regarding the veil (the veiling of women.) So Allah revealed the Verse of veiling. (Al-Hijab; a complete body cover excluding the eyes). (See Hadith No. 148, Vol. 1)

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 517: Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Verse of Al-Hijab (veiling of women) was revealed in connection with Zainab bint Jahsh. (On the day of her marriage with him) the Prophet gave a wedding banquet with bread and meat; and she used to boast before other wives of the Prophet and used to say, "Allah married me (to the Prophet in the Heavens."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_KIzbktgJk

What an waste of webspace.

firstlane
July 2, 2011, 09:52 AM
Banglaguy, spend some of your time for hungry kids in Africa as well, if you can help in any way.

lamisa
July 2, 2011, 10:15 AM
i know that i am not doing the right thing but i just am not prepared to pull on a hijab.

Zunaid
July 2, 2011, 10:22 AM
i know that i am not doing the right thing but i just am not prepared to pull on a hijab.

Why is not doing the hijab NOT the right thing? Don't be so swayed by misogynist misinterpretation of ancient texts. Be good and do good. We will all be fine.
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Banglaguy
July 2, 2011, 10:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_KIzbktgJk

What an waste of webspace.

First of all. If you don't like what I'm posting, don't post on this thread. Secondly, how is it a waste? It gives an insight into the requirements of Muslims. It took me ages to type this up, and it's a waste? Don't make me laugh.

Banglaguy, spend some of your time for hungry kids in Africa as well, if you can help in any way.

Are serious? I do charity work, and I give Charity. I work for East london mosque during holidays, and I go to classes in my Alim course. Jog on mate, please, I beg you.

i know that i am not doing the right thing but i just am not prepared to pull on a hijab.

Well, only Allah is in charge of what will and won't happen. Inshallah, you will see the light one day. But just one peace of advice:
Don't leave it to late. Allah can take us whenever he wills, and nothing on this earth will be able to prevent it.

Banglaguy
July 2, 2011, 10:29 AM
Why is not doing the hijab NOT the right thing? Don't be so swayed by misogynist misinterpretation of ancient texts. Be good and do good. We will all be fine.
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Sorry, but the Hijab is compulsory. In Islam, although it does not stop one from being muslim, certain things are a must. Hijab is the preservation of a women's beauty. Even in Masjid al Haram you are not forced you are not forced to wear Hijab. Islam is the religion of tolerance, and it does not and will not force anything, I mean Anything on you. But you must remember, on the day of judgement, your deeds will be presented before your Raab.

firstlane
July 2, 2011, 10:44 AM
Don't make me laugh.
Don't laugh if you don't want to.

I work for East london mosque during holidays, and I go to classes in my Alim course.

You are helping mankind immensely.

Zunaid
July 2, 2011, 11:07 AM
Sorry, but the Hijab is compulsory. In Islam, although it does not stop one from being muslim, certain things are a must. Hijab is the preservation of a women's beauty. Even in Masjid al Haram you are not forced you are not forced to wear Hijab. Islam is the religion of tolerance, and it does not and will not force anything, I mean Anything on you. But you must remember, on the day of judgement, your deeds will be presented before your Raab.

I disagree wholeheartedly but this will be my only response in this thread. There is not much give in matters of faith and beliefs and Internet posts and discussions in a forum not dedicated to matters of faith is nothing more than fodder for annoyances and interminable arguments and the forum could do a lot better if we moved such discussions elsewhere.

- as myself
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Banglaguy
July 2, 2011, 11:33 AM
Don't laugh if you don't want to.


You are helping mankind immensely.

No man can change the world, but we all must try.

I disagree wholeheartedly but this will be my only response in this thread. There is not much give in matters of faith and beliefs and Internet posts and discussions in a forum not dedicated to matters of faith is nothing more than fodder for annoyances and interminable arguments and the forum could do a lot better if we moved such discussions elsewhere.

- as myself
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Fine. I'll stop.

Zunaid
July 2, 2011, 12:08 PM
Fine. I'll stop.

I am neither asking nor telling you to stop. That was just my personal opinion. The rest may disagree with me. And it's all good.
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BanCricFan
July 2, 2011, 12:11 PM
Why is not doing the hijab NOT the right thing? Don't be so swayed by misogynist misinterpretation of ancient texts. Be good and do good. We will all be fine.

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BC is becoming an "open mic night" for Islam bashing which until now was the specialization of Fox, CNN, BBC and Sky. BC has gone under hostile takeover?!

How is the requirement of observing Hijab a "misogynist misinterpretation of ancient texts"? Could you please forward a CORRECT and non-misogynist interpretation according to the consensus of the four Schools of Islamic Jurisprudence of this "ancient" texts? And I thought Qur'an was quite a modern text, certainly, compared to Rig, Sama, Yajur Veda or Iliad of Homer!

"Be good and do good" sounds good but -although not disagreeing totally -a huge generalisation. WHAT is good and HOW does one do good?

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Lamisa,
The fact that you are showing anushuchona about not observing Hijab is a great sign of your faith and love in Allah. There is no compulsion in religion and Allah doesn't overburden a soul more than it can bear. So, you don't have to do anything you are not comfortable with. It has to come naturally from within to do anything for the pleasure of Allah (Most High) alone. None of us are perfect. But there has to be a healthy desire for becoming or doing better. May Allah increase us ALL in knowledge, good deeds and Taufiq!

BanCricFan
July 2, 2011, 12:47 PM
The validity of Lalatul Bar'aah or 15th of Sha'ban has been discussed here at length:

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=23495

Isnaad
July 2, 2011, 01:52 PM
The validity of Lalatul Bar'aah or 15th of Sha'ban has been discussed here at length:

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=23495

Thanks bro.
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Banglaguy
July 2, 2011, 04:05 PM
The one thing that worries me is muslims almost criticizing Islam.
And we are not only talking about Shob e Borat, more, the innovations brought Islam in South Asia.

Zeeshan
July 2, 2011, 05:17 PM
BC is becoming an "open mic night" for Islam bashing which until now was the specialization of Fox, CNN, BBC and Sky. BC has gone under hostile takeover?!


Well I find nothing wrong with Islam bashing if every other thread you or anyone opens has to do with Islamic topics blithely assuming just because majority of the Bangladeshi population are muslims then de facto this cricket forum should be proselytized into one. This _is_ after all banglacricektdot com not banglamuslimsdotcom. While mods and admins are pretty lenient and welcoming to any threads that are opened as long as they abide by forum rules, how irritating would it be if I were to open threads on Hindu goddesses or Rabbinic parables every day?

Equinox
July 2, 2011, 05:25 PM
^So there is an unwritten quota on how many threads on a certain topic in a given timeframe may be opened?

Banglaguy
July 2, 2011, 05:58 PM
how irritating would it be if I were to open threads on Hindu goddesses or Rabbinic parables every day?

Go ahead, after all Islam is an accepting religion. It does not target any religion, and it embraces them. Let them be, and they will leave you be. In fact, Islam forbids anyone from hating non-muslims. Go ahead.

(P.S I don't open one every day, it's just the one).

Zeeshan
July 2, 2011, 06:02 PM
^So there is an unwritten quota on how many threads on a certain topic in a given timeframe may be opened?

idk- ask mods/admins.

My point being if I or anyone else started a binge thread opening on a specific topic everyday- like Russian revolution or succulents of Arizona- you cannot pretend that it wouldn't be irksome and the person should be vulnerable to being "bashed". You expect that you will open up avenues for something yet when people "bash" or criticize the topic in an online forum then you complaint then it is double standard.

Equinox
July 2, 2011, 06:16 PM
idk- ask mods/admins.

My point being if I or anyone else started a binge thread opening on a specific topic everyday- like Russian revolution or succulents of Arizona- you cannot pretend that it wouldn't be irksome and the person should be vulnerable to being "bashed". You expect that you will open up avenues for something yet when people "bash" or criticize the topic in an online forum then you complaint then it is double standard.
Well if you opened them with the intention of irritating people then yes it'd be irksome. But to my knowledge there aren't Islamic threads opened everyday and those that do exist are not opened with the intention of pissing people off. These threads are well visited and many members participate in the discussions. I may not but I do read through them and find them beneficial. May I suggest you avoid these threads instead of "bashing" them simply because they irritate you? Wouldn't that lead to a better forum environment?

Zeeshan
July 2, 2011, 06:32 PM
May I suggest you avoid these threads instead of "bashing" them simply because they irritate you? Wouldn't that lead to a better forum environment?

No you may not. As Dr Zunaid once said this is not an open forum. You are taking half of my thoughts from one context and freely adding it to another context. Did I say those topics irritate me? No I said if I were to do so the same THEN many would find it irritating. They are not the same.

In fact, I have a reputation for being trigger happy with new threads. But at least I can take the peer pressure and the criticism that comes from my actions. So by the same token, why can't I criticize others actions?

And it has nothing do with safeguarding the sanctity of online environment. "Bashing" was implicitly used in lieu of "debating." To reiterate, if you or anyone open up a topic in an internet forum, then you should be able to accept the heat that comes against it.

Anyways this is hopefully my last response. I felt compelled to reply because my thoughts/intentions were being twisted around.

Equinox
July 2, 2011, 07:02 PM
So we should just "take the heat" and keep our mouths shut and not respond? Is that some sort of a penalty for opening threads? Where did BCF say above that criticism of his thread and Islam in general is not welcome? You blame me for decontextualising your post when you did the same above with BCF's.

Banglaguy
July 2, 2011, 07:10 PM
Okay guys, I think both of you should just leave it be. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Rifat
July 2, 2011, 07:18 PM
It is very easy to talk big but once Azrail(A'laihis salam) takes your soul, (once death which for certain every soul will taste death becomes inevitable), then we will come to know, how much paddy make how much rice....

Allah has made the truth clear from falsehood, if people chose falsehood, then by all means I am not a guardian over these people, nor am i responsible for them.


once the Quran was revealed they ask what has your lord revealed, they say, Tales of the ancient people, indeed they speak nothing but pure conjecture. one day they will come to know, and once they come to know, it will be indeed too late.

Who sends the rain from the sky? Who puts mercy on the hearts of the mother once a newborn baby is born and the baby knows nothing? verily it is ALLAH, the all knowing, the all wise! whatever Allah has said is truth, Allah has not created the heavens and the earth except in truth, so that he may see which one of us is more righteous in conduct.

Therefore, the one who has supreme control over the heavens and the earth faster than the twinkling of an eye, resurrection is indeed far easier for him since the first time he created us! Allah issues a command, "BE" and life becomes a reality.

therefore, I take the words of the Quran to very very high regard, I have my reward with my lord if he accepts my worship, what about you?

Banglaguy
July 2, 2011, 07:20 PM
Allah the Almighty stated:



"Verily, you (O Muhammad) guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He knows best those who are the guided."

(28:56)

Zeeshan
July 2, 2011, 07:42 PM
Absolutely equinox bhai, absolutely. You are right indeed. I am very sorry....apologies. It won't happen again......

Rifat
July 2, 2011, 08:09 PM
I have a question..As far as I know we can eat meat slaughtered by the people of the book. Quran says :
"Made lawful to you this day are At-Tayyibat [all kinds of Halal (lawful) foods, which Allah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, etc. milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits, etc..). The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals, etc.) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. Al-Maidah 5:5

so whats wrong if we eat kosher or any meat from the market...

I eat kosher meat, Alhamdulillah! the real reason is that those Jews who sell kosher meat actually follow the rules from the old testament when they prepare/slaughter the animal to prepare the meat; since they are the people of the book, it is permissible for us Muslims to eat from that which Allah has made lawful for us. if you also notice that Jews do not eat pork because they follow the commandment from Allah from the old testament (i think in the book of Leviticus). the non kosher meat however, nobody follows the new or the old testament to slaughter it, so therefore that meat cannot fall under the category of "from the people of the book"...the other thing is meat from the market, since i have high doubts over it being permissible for me, I avoid it. most likely and about 99% of the time in Western countries the meat from the market was not slaughtered the Islamic way, and therefore it is not halal.(well, as far as i know, there is a difference in opinion amongst scholars but the general ruling is that if you have doubts over something you avoid it :)

Roman bro, I have to cite my evidence, please give me more time :)

I like Kosher hotdog(it is always beef DUH ;)) Alhamdulillah! it tastes pretty good!

Zeeshan
July 2, 2011, 10:48 PM
Shob e borat was one of my favorite days when I was a kid. I still remember gathering with the local kids with tarabati, light them along with some elder bhais who would 'potka futato' during evening. Then we would come home, perform ablution and pray. They used to make haluas, ruti.. I would target praying 100 rakahs nafl namaz as 'they' used to say that whatever you wished for you would get it on that night...after all it was a night of 'borat' or luck[?]...but most of the times I'd get sleepy after like 30 or fewer rakahs. I'd wish for such silly things like getting all the Betal comics, or video game (it was Atari time then) or be 'first' in class. It was a peaceful night and the 'boma potka futano' was a festive thing.

Alas! As soon as I went abroad, it was apparently revealed that in fact it's 'haram'. Holier than thou muslims in South Africa (mind you the same country that harbored Pagads) would snicker and say that they never heard of it. Oh well...now at an adult age, no longer following any 'official' religion, I don't care but this special day surely some great childhood memories especially it was kinda like 'genie of the lamp' because whatever you wished for you could get it.

Thought would share the memories. Do not want to get into debate of rights or wrongs of the celebration. In fact far better thread would Borat and other Sasha Baron Cohen's "innovations". :-|

bujhee kom
July 2, 2011, 11:28 PM
Oi Rifat doura re dosto...Kala Alkhalla poira Azrail (Respect for the Holy angel) ailo...Gola Chipa dia dhorlo rey Rifaat...doura!!!

Ekhon ami ter paitechi re bhaiuo how many rice are in how many paddys.

Banglaguy
July 3, 2011, 03:45 AM
Oi Rifat doura re dosto...Kala Alkhalla poira Azrail (Respect for the Holy angel) ailo...Gola Chipa dia dhorlo rey Rifaat...doura!!!

Ekhon ami ter paitechi re bhaiuo how many rice are in how many paddys.

I went to a speech recently on angels and Jinns, and I found out that ''Malikil Maut (the Angel of death) has no name mentioned in either strong Hadith, nor Quran. Azrail comes from the torah, and thus, Muslim's adopted it. But the right term would be malikil Maut.

BanCricFan
July 3, 2011, 07:33 AM
...This _is_ after all banglacricektdot com not banglamuslimsdotcom. While mods and admins are pretty lenient and welcoming to any threads that are opened as long as they abide by forum rules, how irritating would it be if I were to open threads on Hindu goddesses or Rabbinic parables every day?

Dear Zeeshan,

Bhairey, why so much rage and hate? What grave crime any muslim comitted against you or any loved ones? Must we muslims ALL suffer a collective punishment because of being guilty by association?

Have you seen anybody posting any "annoying" "irritating" Islamic threads in the CRICKET sectiom of this forum? What is FORGET CRICKET sections for....only "Yo Momma" threads? You dont find me or others there complaining or moaning about how silly, base and repulsive the whole notion of making imbecilic jokes about ones MOTHER. I think you know about the Islamic saying about " Paradise lies beneath the feet of your mothers". You pick the worst aspect of a culture out of all the good available then make it your own by embracing it like there is no tomorrow and then push it on to the forumers in BC. BUT do you see me showing my annoyance or irritation there or other equally suspect threads opened in extremely poor taste? Have I not adopted "live and let live" here?

So, go ahead, youngman! Open as many Hindu Goddesses or Rabanical Parables threads as to your heart's fill. Infact, that would be a notable departure from Yo Momma threads and their likes. We could, perhaps, actually learn something. We might even take part and contribute in YOUR threads. If offensive or in poor taste you won't simply find us there. Shalom :)

Alien
July 3, 2011, 07:40 AM
Agree with BCF. Why on God's wonderful earth would anyone be offended by Hindu God/Godess thread? If need be I'll open one for ZM.

BanCricFan
July 3, 2011, 07:43 AM
...Alas! As soon as I went abroad, it was apparently revealed that in fact it's 'haram'. Holier than thou muslims in South Africa (mind you the same country that harbored Pagads) would snicker and say that they never heard of it. Oh well...now at an adult age, no longer following any 'official' religion, I don't care but this special day surely some great childhood memories especially it was kinda like 'genie of the lamp' because whatever you wished for you could get it.



Aww....that was a cute tale, indeed.

Zeeshan, how about a thread on your leaving Islam i.e becoming a Murtad al-Deen? Just a thought. Might be interesting!

BanCricFan
July 3, 2011, 08:05 AM
I went to a speech recently on angels and Jinns, and I found out that ''Malikil Maut (the Angel of death) has no name mentioned in either strong Hadith, nor Quran. Azrail comes from the torah, and thus, Muslim's adopted it. But the right term would be malikil Maut.

Bangla bhai,

You work for "Thought Police" by any chance? What's wrong with adopting names from Torah? Isn't Torah revealed by God and a Heaveny scripture? I'm sure you have learned our basic creed which goes like "amantu billahi wa malakaatihi wa KUTUBIHI wa rusulihi..."!

Banglaguy
July 3, 2011, 08:34 AM
Bangla bhai,

You work for "Thought Police" by any chance? What's wrong with adopting names from Torah? Isn't Torah revealed by God and a Heaveny scripture? I'm sure you have learned our basic creed which goes like "amantu billahi wa malakaatihi wa KUTUBIHI wa rusulihi..."!

The Torah, although a book of God, and amongst the 5 holy books, we must follow the Quran, the one thing that Allah has promised to never corrupt, never change.

And whatever the though police are, I'm with them.

Isnaad
July 3, 2011, 09:30 AM
Agree with BCF bro. And Banglaguy, there is actually no problem at all if we use a word from Torah because Torah being a Heavenly scripture, all the things it contains are right (Provided nobody changes things). So, you also go on and use 'Azrail'. There is no problem at all in using this word. Peace.

deshimon
July 3, 2011, 11:24 AM
^^^ guys you need to discuss this in fc section.

Just a word of advice. Religion is our weakness and sometime it's better to keep it away from Internet discussion as some people will have views that you don't want to hear. That's why you normally don't see me in religious discussion
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Islam kono mon gora dharmo noy. kintu online discussion a keu keu tader mon gora kotha bolte pare . Tai ei dhoroner discussion na korai better & keu kisu bolte chaile shothik uddhriti die bolle valo hoy.

Zeeshan
July 3, 2011, 12:09 PM
I love how some people who represents Islam, a religion apparently of peace and serenity, oozes with biting sarcasm and tones of bitterness.

Bravo! :applause:

RazabQ
July 3, 2011, 01:12 PM
Tsk tsk, such angst. Most of the pro-literal-interpreters here have been civil. I ask that those who are not so religious or not so strict in their adherence to their religions to adopt a similar tone.

At the end of the day, using a noble cause as a means to feel holier than thou accomplishes nothing!

- As myself.

As mod:

Please let us figure out what is a right thread or wrong thread and what posts are good or not.

asdfjkl
July 3, 2011, 08:32 PM
Allah suddenly favoured 'Arabic' over 'Hebrew'.
He sent quite a few texts before in Hebrew.
He decided to pollute all the previous Hebrew texts and send a new one in Arabic.
And decided to give full protection.

Now the whole mankind has to learn Arabic, because that gonna be the only language available after death (behesto or dojok). I guess I have to learn this one pretty quickly.

asdfjkl
July 3, 2011, 08:36 PM
I wish slavery exists.
I could free a slave for not fasting one day in ramadan.
perfectly legit in islam.

Tiger Manc
July 4, 2011, 08:23 AM
Why is not doing the hijab NOT the right thing? Don't be so swayed by misogynist misinterpretation of ancient texts. <br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition (iPhone)

Can you elaborate on that

Tiger Manc
July 4, 2011, 08:26 AM
Be good and do good. We will all be fine.
<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition (iPhone)

Why don't you share with us how you define what is good and what is bad?

Zunaid
July 4, 2011, 10:41 AM
Why don't you share with us how you define what is good and what is bad?

Bad: annoying me.
Good: not annoying me.

Do no harm.
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Zunaid
July 4, 2011, 10:46 AM
I wish slavery exists.
I could free a slave for not fasting one day in ramadan.
perfectly legit in islam.

asdfjkl: your responses are crossing over into unwanted territory. Please step back.

- as admin.
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Electrequiem
July 4, 2011, 03:20 PM
BC is becoming an "open mic night" for Islam bashing which until now was the specialization of Fox, CNN, BBC and Sky. BC has gone under hostile takeover?!

There has been no overwhelming "bashing" of Islam - mostly statements that you have disagreed with. The "homosexual" thread misses you, by the way. I thought we had quite a discussion going...

BD_2015
July 4, 2011, 06:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoX0ntFGe5o&feature=related

bujhee kom
July 4, 2011, 11:24 PM
I wish slavery exists.
I could free a slave for not fasting one day in ramadan.
perfectly legit in islam.

asdfjkl....this is outragious! What are you thinking man? This sorts of complete blind, STUPID and thoughtless comments give the non-Islamc world the wrong, violent, heartless, savage impression about Al-Islam and the social concept that Islam gave birth to. If it was during the middle ages and during the crusade after the fall of Damascas and Spain and all the recently freed christian slaves from the christian fortresses/citadels would more often convert to their new rescuers path, Al-Islam as a free soul....I am not denying the fact that the Arabs historically always traded and sold and used slaves and took part in this crime against humanity untill probably just a hundred years ago!

asdfjkl, as a moslem, you want to free all/any slaves if you can as it is morally WRONG to enslave another human being or even another living being for the All forgiving Allah's sake. Somehting He the Almighty created just like you and me and you want to enslave that creation of Allah and claim that you own him/her??? Are you out of your mind? You said, "I could free a slave for not fasting one day in ramadan." Waht does it mean? It is said in reference to that time, the time when Islam was founded by the Great prophet (PBUH), the concept you are talking about was refering to freeing slaves of that time, during the infancy age of Al-Islam, if you skiped a day's fasting in the holy month of Ramadan then you must free a slave of yours...it does not or Islam does not permit enslaving anything, let along another human being TODAY, NOW, capiche??>.....

asdfjkl, With age, Islam evolves, it evolves because it teaches us to evolve, because it is indeed like following a scientific research/study....it talks about the truth about humanity and compassion, understanding, respect of all living being, the nature and total submission of YOUR self to Allah. You have to undertand in order to understand.

Please do not say such things about slaves and all agian in the forum...it makes us, this forum, BC and Al-Islam look bad and portray us wrongly. Something we have been fighting since the British and Pakistan invasion/occupation of Bangladesh and in my current country USA we have been fighting slavery since Columbus came here!


I am so dissapointed at a lot of you...I thought of all of you all to be broader and grander...not bickering like this, over things that you do not even know of but you are quoting and refering the Creator and the Prophet (PBUH) left right and center and totally totally degrading the environment of this great Forum.

bujhee kom
July 4, 2011, 11:58 PM
Oh another thing....what is this constantly comparing and self-superiority/inferiority complex and this constant desire to criticise people across the board at this super young age guys? How do you or I know what the sub-continental Moslems doing, what the British moslems doing and the North Afrikan Moslems or the Detroit Moslems doing? Huhh? Who are you or I to judge who is doing what wrong or right?

Some of you talk about Sharia Law, without even knowing the definite meaning of Sharia or what it means when it is applied to law....None of your country that all of you represent have the Sharia law....what do you know about Sharia law? Have you taken a good look at Afghanishthan last 25-30 years?

Let everyone practice their religion in a peaceful, friendly and understanding manner and respect the next guy here. Religion is a very personal spiritual matter...treat it like it.

Bancan
July 5, 2011, 12:03 AM
Oh another thing....what is this constantly comparing and self-superiority/inferiority complex and this constant desire to criticise people across the board at this super young age guys? How do you or I know what the sub-continental Moslems doing, what the British moslems doing and the North Afrikan Moslems or the Detroit Moslems doing? Huhh? Who are you or I to judge who is doing what wrong or right?

Some of you talk about Sharia Law, without even knowing the definite meaning of Sharia or what it means when it is applied to law....None of your country that all of you represent have the Sharia law....what do you know about Sharia law? Have you taken a good look at Afghanishthan last 25-30 years?

Let everyone practice their religion in a peaceful, friendly and understanding manner and respect the next guy here. Releigion is a very personal spiritual matter...treat it like it.

I love you. :notworthy:

roman
July 5, 2011, 12:41 AM
Thank you BK vai. Its people lile you that make me want to come back to this forum over and over and over again......May Allah bless you my big brother....

Naimul_Hd
July 5, 2011, 01:21 AM
Oh another thing....what is this constantly comparing and self-superiority/inferiority complex and this constant desire to criticise people across the board at this super young age guys? How do you or I know what the sub-continental Moslems doing, what the British moslems doing and the North Afrikan Moslems or the Detroit Moslems doing? Huhh? Who are you or I to judge who is doing what wrong or right?

Some of you talk about Sharia Law, without even knowing the definite meaning of Sharia or what it means when it is applied to law....None of your country that all of you represent have the Sharia law....what do you know about Sharia law? Have you taken a good look at Afghanishthan last 25-30 years?

Let everyone practice their religion in a peaceful, friendly and understanding manner and respect the next guy here. Religion is a very personal spiritual matter...treat it like it.

What a post BK bhai !!! This should go to BC HALL OF FAME !!! emni emni ki ami apnakey respect kori :big_hug:

:notworthy::notworthy::notworthy:

Isnaad
July 5, 2011, 05:04 AM
BK bhaijaan...! You are a Legend...! :up:

asdfjkl
July 5, 2011, 05:08 AM
Oh another thing....what is this constantly comparing and self-superiority/inferiority complex and this constant desire to criticise people across the board at this super young age guys? How do you or I know what the sub-continental Moslems doing, what the British moslems doing and the North Afrikan Moslems or the Detroit Moslems doing? Huhh? Who are you or I to judge who is doing what wrong or right?

Some of you talk about Sharia Law, without even knowing the definite meaning of Sharia or what it means when it is applied to law....None of your country that all of you represent have the Sharia law....what do you know about Sharia law? Have you taken a good look at Afghanishthan last 25-30 years?

Let everyone practice their religion in a peaceful, friendly and understanding manner and respect the next guy here. Religion is a very personal spiritual matter...treat it like it.
agreed

Banglaguy
July 5, 2011, 05:18 AM
Religion isn't bent on annoying people...

Beamer
July 5, 2011, 10:33 AM
Bangla bhai,

You work for "Thought Police" by any chance? What's wrong with adopting names from Torah? Isn't Torah revealed by God and a Heaveny scripture? I'm sure you have learned our basic creed which goes like "amantu billahi wa malakaatihi wa KUTUBIHI wa rusulihi..."!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangla_Bhai :shh::shh:

Ajfar
July 5, 2011, 03:35 PM
BK bhai to the rescue, as usual. Respect!!
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BanCricFan
July 7, 2011, 12:01 PM
And whatever the though police are, I'm with them.

:) Thought Police is a concept from George Orwell's classic 'Nineteen Eighty-Four'. You might wanna read it beside your school works. A must-read book!

BanCricFan
July 7, 2011, 12:30 PM
I love how some people who represents Islam, a religion apparently of peace and serenity, oozes with biting sarcasm and tones of bitterness.

Bravo! :applause:

Take that and internalize it well. Reflect and meditate on this seriously. Perhaps, this will lead to the root of all your angst, fear or suppressed rage which I sincerely believe you're being tormented with. This comes across very clearly when you lash out violently (unprovoked) against Islam, its Prophet, Burqa and LONG BEARDS! These are but symptoms what is eating you away. No Oedipus or Bijlee complex there.

You have made Islam and muslims your punching bag to relieve some of your pain but is it working? Are you being honest with yourself? Are you totally at peace with life without faith in God? Seriously speaking, talk to us, Zeeshan!

RazabQ
July 7, 2011, 01:10 PM
Seriously speaking, talk to us, Zeeshan!Heaven forbid, you want him to spew more?????? -- strictly as myself :smh:

BanCricFan
July 7, 2011, 11:37 PM
Heaven forbid, you want him to spew more?????? -- strictly as myself :smh:

We are the ones suppose to be "taking heat" -remember! :) And we ARE taking it. I suppose its just part of the occupational hazard of being who we are. Now, Zee might be a rebel with/out a cause (angry youngman) but, nonetheless, he comes across as a reasonable and an intelligent geezer, too. Surely, we could assume that he would take my observations sportingly. Otherwise, at least, he would exercise self-restraint and discretion. Once again, I must reiterate, my previous post was in good faith and intention. Therefore, musn't be taken as a malicious gibe. I AM trying to initiate some sort of PEACE accord here! :)

Zeeshan
July 7, 2011, 11:40 PM
Just curious...who is this "we" in your book?

Electrequiem
July 7, 2011, 11:45 PM
Just curious...who is this "we" in your book?

Ooooh, let's not go there. Sensitive jinish.

BanCricFan
July 7, 2011, 11:49 PM
...what do you know about Sharia law? Have you taken a good look at Afghanishthan last 25-30 years?


But, surely, Afghanistan cannot be cited as a serious example for or against Shari'ah given her post-WW2 history! :)

Perhaps, a new thread on this. :D

BanCricFan
July 7, 2011, 11:52 PM
Just curious...who is this "we" in your book?

This an ontological question?

Okay. Let me break it down..."we" could be I, YOU or this Bijlee...it all depends and in relation to exactly which side of the fench WE find ourselves. We could be religious nutjobs, fanatics, zealots or simply Hizbullah (PARTY/SOLDIERS OF ALLAH). ;)

Muttaqi (God conscious individuals) might also be applicable. Matter of PERSPECTIVE.

Alchemist
July 8, 2011, 12:50 AM
asdfjkl....this is outragious! What are you thinking man? This sorts of complete blind, STUPID and thoughtless comments give the non-Islamc world the wrong, violent, heartless, savage impression about Al-Islam and the social concept that Islam gave birth to. If it was during the middle ages and during the crusade after the fall of Damascas and Spain and all the recently freed christian slaves from the christian fortresses/citadels would more often convert to their new rescuers path, Al-Islam as a free soul....I am not denying the fact that the Arabs historically always traded and sold and used slaves and took part in this crime against humanity untill probably just a hundred years ago!

asdfjkl, as a moslem, you want to free all/any slaves if you can as it is morally WRONG to enslave another human being or even another living being for the All forgiving Allah's sake. Somehting He the Almighty created just like you and me and you want to enslave that creation of Allah and claim that you own him/her??? Are you out of your mind? You said, "I could free a slave for not fasting one day in ramadan." Waht does it mean? It is said in reference to that time, the time when Islam was founded by the Great prophet (PBUH), the concept you are talking about was refering to freeing slaves of that time, during the infancy age of Al-Islam, if you skiped a day's fasting in the holy month of Ramadan then you must free a slave of yours...it does not or Islam does not permit enslaving anything, let along another human being TODAY, NOW, capiche??>.....

asdfjkl, With age, Islam evolves, it evolves because it teaches us to evolve, because it is indeed like following a scientific research/study....it talks about the truth about humanity and compassion, understanding, respect of all living being, the nature and total submission of YOUR self to Allah. You have to undertand in order to understand.

Please do not say such things about slaves and all agian in the forum...it makes us, this forum, BC and Al-Islam look bad and portray us wrongly. Something we have been fighting since the British and Pakistan invasion/occupation of Bangladesh and in my current country USA we have been fighting slavery since Columbus came here!


I am so dissapointed at a lot of you...I thought of all of you all to be broader and grander...not bickering like this, over things that you do not even know of but you are quoting and refering the Creator and the Prophet (PBUH) left right and center and totally totally degrading the environment of this great Forum.

:up::up::up:

Great post Javed Bhai. Thanks for bringing sanity (normally you do the opposite :smug:) in this thread. Very matured post.

banfan2
July 8, 2011, 01:13 AM
I love this thread!!! from today i'm a fan of banglaguy. bk da is superb as usual. :applause:

PoorFan
July 8, 2011, 04:23 AM
But, surely, Afghanistan cannot be cited as a serious example for or against Shari'ah given her post-WW2 history! :)

Perhaps, a new thread on this. :D
As long as Afghanistan and her Ex Taliban govt. claim/ed to rule by Sharia law ... pure or not doesnt matter really, as long as they believed and executed as heavenly system to their understanding ... it is serious example, Saudi is another serious example to its own merit, Iran and gong could be other type as such. Someday Pakistan would may find her own purified type, at the end? none is pure but own as world history says.

Afghanistan, most importantly the destructive sufferings of the nation, and her millions of people, and still to continue for coming decades ... can not be brush aside saying pure or not, though I can smell some counter argument in her 'post WW2 history'. Threads on this regard or such pops up every year I thought, someone should dig out if interested.

bujhee kom
July 8, 2011, 11:56 AM
I sincerely apologize for this comment
This doesn’t do any good to anybody, except perhaps a false sense of self pride about me.

My dear asdf bhai, it is so good to have you back...I am so sorry to have said a lot of big mouthed talk, I am really sorry...I know you from your other posts, I know and everyone else does too, you are a very gentle, polite and kind person, I know you didn't mean all those thing about slaves and all, it was a just an expression out of excitement of the moment. I am really sorry to have been so rude to you.

Love and peace brother! :big_hug:

bujhee kom
July 8, 2011, 12:09 PM
Guys there are a lot to learn from BCF (Akhi) da and Zeeshan, although they may seem to have been on each others case, but notice, they still maintain a civil and engage in polite manner. They are great examples fo proper respectful engagement/interaction/exchange of views, also like Sadi/Warwolf, Auntu, Tigers_eye bhai, MohammedC bhai..these are some great individuals when it comes to showing other respects. Look at BCF/Akhi, he discuss Al-Islam but he also accepts all's view, feelings with an open arms, he is understanding and that is the massage he sends to all, his kind politeness, humbleness provide an instant sense of comfort for us, we must soak this from him. Learn compassion from BanCricFan bro.


Ooo Akhi, Zeeshaan-er kotha bola jai naa miah, dekhba mookhey koi ek kotha, aar bhitorey bhitorey arek bepaar...Or Bashai gele hoito dekha jabey shara raat Allah-er Ibaadot Bondegi kortese...Jai namajey Shejda dia porey achey,,,,Allah'r naam zhikkiir kortese aare Allah-er kachey Kantese..but here he pretends to be very mr. hot dog. Maybe he is like our President Obama...who we hear secretly prays on an old jai-namaz to Allah in the Oval Office!

Banglaguy
July 10, 2011, 09:46 AM
So, can anyone summarise what has happened since I left?

Banglaguy
July 24, 2011, 05:03 PM
I feel like Bumping this thread... Ramadan is coming, and with it, Allah accepts our prayers.

mar umpire
April 6, 2012, 07:41 PM
I feel like Bumping this thread... Ramadan is coming, and with it, Allah accepts our prayers.

I'll bump it for you

When coming to making comments or stating rulings regarding religious matters which are quite important it's good to have evidence

Most of us don't have a complete understanding of the rulings of sharia, so it is wrong to claim certain countries are ruled by sharia like the westerners or claim we are the only ones who have the right meaning.

We have to give up the rigidity regarding madhab (as in fighting betwen the madhabs) when rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wassalam did things differently. But in saying that we can't use the "variation" in islam as a means of bringing in bi'daah.

Regarding shob-e-barat, as far as I know there are no strong hadeeth backing up its celebration, allah knows best. When it comes to grey areas in islam which there will be and we have been told about these areas, it is better to stay away from the grey areas. If you approach the boundaries you are more likely to cross it. We tend to clap our hands and support the things we like but at the end of the day, as muslims we accept what was revealed and we do not go about choosing one thing over the other just because "we feel like" it.

Hold fast to the Qur'an and sunnah (say this as a reminder for me before anyone else). It's pretty straight forward. And stay away from things you're doubtful about.

I hear Shob-e-barat has historically been the time, well in my town of birth anyway, where they had the dodgiest activities taking p lace

ammark
April 6, 2012, 07:55 PM
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