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imna
July 15, 2011, 09:27 AM
I was wondering if any members here are atheist and if so why?
(or if anyone thinks why atheism makes sense to them)

So why I am I posting here when there are various other religious/atheism sites etc?
-- I am interested in finding out why someone one who was was indoctrined with the socio-cultural-religious background of Bangladesh no longer believes in Islam.
The argument for religion I often see is from this cohort and would like to hear your views on how it all did not make sense to you.
This forum is probably a very good if not the best representation of such members rather than any other forums that I have seen and hence the post here.


I would like to hear 'your' reasoning and thoughtful explanation.
There are various other religious post/thread in the "Forget cricket" section and therefore am posting here to look at "the other side" of the story.

Since religion is sometimes deeply rooted personal belief to some, in the interest of healthy discussion and keeping this thread open "Please" try not to bash or be disrespectful of other's religious views, even when you disagree strongly.

And again if you are a theist, muslim or any other religion where there might be a moral or religious obligation to display/convey your view, would appreciate if you not do so here, and please do it in the other threads.


Thanks,

Banglaguy
July 15, 2011, 09:29 AM
Although not athiest my self, I understand why people have turned away from religion once they move out of Bangladesh. I have a few non-muslim friends who used to be athiest as well.

samircreep
July 15, 2011, 09:31 AM
you spelt it wrong.

banfan2
July 15, 2011, 09:36 AM
where is zeeshan munshi?

imna
July 15, 2011, 09:46 AM
you spelt it wrong.
nice cathc. ( the spelling mistake was unintentional ).
As for the other post if you understand or know the reason as to why your friends have turned away from religion, feel free to share.

samircreep
July 15, 2011, 09:47 AM
you spelt catch wrong too

roman
July 15, 2011, 09:51 AM
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=34375&highlight=god+exist

You might want to check out this thread brother....

imna
July 15, 2011, 10:12 AM
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=34375&highlight=god+exist

You might want to check out this thread brother....
Thank you for the thread. This thread was questioning if God exists of not? I am aware of the various explanation.
I am not interested in finding the answer or proof if God exists or not.

My question however as stated above was
"I was wondering if you are an atheist and if so why? "

i.e I am assuming you have looked at the pros and cons and validity of logic and reasoning and now think atheism has more weight than theism or Islam and therefore "would like to hear 'your' reasoning and thoughtful explanation."
--obviously if you thought any of the existing explanation, observation used by others that helped you decide as well, you can include that.

samircreep
July 15, 2011, 10:40 AM
I always thought people should question theism rather than atheism?

I think that partly answers your question. Religions to me never made sense. They all advocate mutually exclusive truth claims . Islam, Christanity, etc cannot all be right.

The burden of proof should be on the convincer rather than the convincee :)

Banglaguy
July 15, 2011, 10:49 AM
I always thought people should question theism rather than atheism?

I think that partly answers your question. Religions to me never made sense. They all advocate mutually exclusive truth claims . Islam, Christanity, etc cannot all be right.

The burden of proof should be on the convincer rather than the convincee :)

The convincer in the Abrahamic faiths are the books which god has given.

Isnaad
July 15, 2011, 10:56 AM
Religions to me never made sense.

Religions never made sense? How many religions have you studied?

samircreep
July 15, 2011, 10:58 AM
Religions never made sense? How many religions have you studied?

Probably more than you.

The dude asked for my explanation, I gave it. If we want to discuss my credentials, open a different thread.

Isnaad
July 15, 2011, 11:20 AM
Probably more than you.

Well, if that is the case, it seems, I gathered more sense from Religion(Din) than you can ever gather. No need to go to a new thread. This thread co-relates to your ideas. Well, if you don't feel like answering, that is another thing. Peace.

Banglaguy
July 15, 2011, 11:26 AM
It's not how many you have studied, it is how far you have studies one.

imna
July 15, 2011, 11:32 AM
I always thought people should question theism rather than atheism?
I think that partly answers your question. Religions to me never made sense. They all advocate mutually exclusive truth claims . Islam, Christanity, etc cannot all be right.
The burden of proof should be on the convincer rather than the convincee :)

The above is an "example" of what I was looking for, although I don't fully agree with you.

Does mutually exclusive truth claims "prevent" any one instance (religion) by itself to be true? i.e. A, B, C, D may be mutually exclusive, but does it make A or B or C or D by itself and only itself to be untrue or 'not exclusive"? i.e. Doesn't that still keep open the possibility that any one of them "could be" true?

It seems that you were convinced of atheism not because of the mutually exclusive truth claims but because of the "false claims" given that the collectively exhaustive events(/religion) that you are are aware of did not make sense to you.

Also, I don't see why the rejection of a belief (i.e. atheism) should not be questioned. ----You already gave your answer, religion never made sense to you. I think that by itself was enough.

samircreep
July 15, 2011, 01:03 PM
No, I needed to explain WHY it never made sense to me, otherwise it's half an answer.

The essence of Christanity--monotheism, and jesus being the son of god---clashes with the hindu polytheism essence. Hence i never understood why one religion trumps the other. What makes christians think their version of divinity is right and hindus believing in multiple gods to be wrong.

Also, i never said atheism shoulnd't be questioned, where did you read that. Everything and anything should be questioned.

What I did say was why is theism the 'default' stance of any belief system? If you said you saw a ghost in the next room, the burden of proof is on you to prove to me that there is a ghost next door. People should be skeptical of the guy who saw the ghost, not the guy who's finds his claim highly doubtful

imna
July 15, 2011, 01:31 PM
The essence of Christanity--monotheism, and jesus being the son of god---clashes with the hindu polytheism essence. Hence i never understood why one religion trumps the other. What makes christians think their version of divinity is right and hindus believing in multiple gods to be wrong.

--I don't know. Given they are mutually exclusive, one or the other might be right or wrong. How do you know "both" as in your example are wrong ?
I am trying to figure out why one ( any one of the views/religion) can't be right. I am not saying you can know or should know or do know, but implying that just because two or three or multiple ideas are different from each other does not make them ALL wrong. Does it?


Also, i never said atheism shoulnd't be questioned, where did you read that. Everything and anything should be questioned.
-- I might have misinterpreted the below:
Originally Posted by samircreep
I always thought people should question theism rather than atheism?


What I did say was why is theism the 'default' stance of any belief system? If you said you saw a ghost in the next room, the burden of proof is on you to prove to me that there is a ghost next door. People should be skeptical of the guy who saw the ghost, not the guy who's finds his claim highly doubtful

If theism is the 'default' stance of any belief system, isn't then the burden of proof on the person who goes against that?
i.e.the 'default' says we do not expect to see a ghost in the next room, the burden of proof falls on the person who goes against the default to explain that 'he saw the ghost'.

Ashfaq
July 15, 2011, 05:03 PM
Not this can of worm again.

imna, if you want answers, read books written by wise men, and many wise men have written books about why people move towards atheism despite a religious upbringing. The reasonings / explanations are diverse.

I'm afraid internet forums won't help you in a journey of spiritual self-actualization. However, you may just have started another debate where every body goes around in circles and nothing makes sense.

imna
July 15, 2011, 05:28 PM
Not this can of worm again.

imna, if you want answers, read books written by wise men, and many wise men have written books about why people move towards atheism despite a religious upbringing. The reasonings / explanations are diverse.

I'm afraid internet forums won't help you in a journey of spiritual self-actualization. However, you may just have started another debate where every body goes around in circles and nothing makes sense.

So why I am I posting here when there are various other religious/atheism sites etc?
-- I am interested in finding out why someone one who was was indoctrined with the socio-cultural-religious background of Bangladesh no longer believes in Islam.
The argument for religion I often see is from this cohort and would like to hear your views on how it all did not make sense to you.
This forum is probably a very good if not the best representation of such members rather than any other forums that I have seen and hence the post here.

As for the going around in circles this is obviously expected else everyone would be theist or atheist if this was such a clear cut case. I absolutely would encourage a debate where I can hear your ideas. As for books by other wise man, please feel free to any you would recommend written by someone of the above background and I will read it if I can.

Thank you.

Zeeshan
July 15, 2011, 05:48 PM
I don't believe in atheism.

Zeeshan
July 15, 2011, 05:52 PM
btw...imna stands for international mon news agency...thou art a burmese spy aintcha?

bujhee kom
July 15, 2011, 09:57 PM
btw...imna stands for international mon news agency...thou art a burmese spy aintcha?

Yeah bhai, also Independent Mon News Agency serving Mon and Burma!
Also a little chance could be Isphahan Metro News Agency of Iran.

So hello imna, how are you, can you please tell us something about yourself? Are you a Burmese brother? How are things over there. I would really like to know.

Thank you.

imna
July 15, 2011, 11:10 PM
Yeah bhai, also Independent Mon News Agency serving Mon and Burma!
Also a little chance could be Isphahan Metro News Agency of Iran.

So hello imna, how are you, can you please tell us something about yourself? Are you a Burmese brother? How are things over there. I would really like to know.

Thank you.

nah bhai burmese o na iranian o na.
something about me... 1992 tey jokhon babri mosque niye tensioner karoney dhakai saarc cricket shesh holo nah, shetai bangladesh cricketer earliest sriti.

bujhee kom
July 15, 2011, 11:38 PM
nah bhai burmese o na iranian o na.
something about me... 1992 tey jokhon babri mosque niye tensioner karoney dhakai saarc cricket shesh holo nah, shetai bangladesh cricketer earliest sriti.

Ooohhh sorry bhai, ami tow bhai Gopaler post gula porey ektu nervous hoye gesilaam...Hahhahah...very sorry bhai! Yes yes we have Athiests amongst us...here I will give you the names and list...like Goru & Blah....khub smart + super intelligent athiast kintoo! Ederke apni contact kporun..orai apnakey shob information diey dibey!

Oh arekjon achen Electriquiem...

Electrequiem
July 16, 2011, 12:49 PM
BK bhaiya, I'm not an atheist. I'm a reformed Muslim.
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goru
July 16, 2011, 02:13 PM
I don't believe in atheism.

Well, there is obviously no evidence that atheism exists...

BD_2015
July 16, 2011, 04:13 PM
BK bhaiya, I'm not an atheist. I'm a reformed Muslim.
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Just wonder what do you mean by reformed Muslim?
Can you explain please. Thanks

goru
July 16, 2011, 04:21 PM
Just wonder what do you mean by reformed Muslim?
Can you explain please. Thanks

Reformed muslim = "I'm not really a muslim, but I pretend to be one IRL to avoid disturbing my social life/status. I also try my best to distance myself from atheism. Sometimes I'll get really angry about something a muslim said and start questioning him, but then, just to keep my cover intact, I'll also argue against atheists / defend muslims at other times and make it kind of obvious that I'm just trolling them."


Got it?

Electrequiem
July 16, 2011, 04:30 PM
Just wonder what do you mean by reformed Muslim?
Can you explain please. Thanks

I will give you the very bare bones of the concept. I basically ask myself "What would the Prophet (PBUH) do if he received his prophet-hood today?" I also believe concepts like love, humanity, and humility are more valued by Allah than most of the belligerent issues we deal with today. Live and let live!

Zeeshan
July 16, 2011, 05:55 PM
Prophet T-ziddy?

Banglaguy
July 16, 2011, 06:23 PM
Prophet T-ziddy?

I'm sorry bro, but I find that quite rude. I know it wasn't meant to be, but come on. Don't mock the prophet (saw) to which whom he is referring to. Please bro.

Alien
July 16, 2011, 06:35 PM
I will give you the very bare bones of the concept. I basically ask myself "What would the Prophet (PBUH) do if he received his prophet-hood today?" I also believe concepts like love, humanity, and humility are more valued by Allah than most of the belligerent issues we deal with today. Live and let live!

It is this spiritual aspect of Islam that is as much important as praying, fasting and other rituals.

Yet its the rare in people as well even the most supposedly "devout" ones.
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Alien
July 16, 2011, 06:37 PM
Prophet T-ziddy?

Why dont you take your Islamophobia elsewhere?
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Zeeshan
July 16, 2011, 06:43 PM
I'm sorry bro, but I find that quite rude. I know it wasn't meant to be, but come on. Don't mock the prophet (saw) to which whom he is referring to. Please bro.

Why dont you take your Islamophobia elsewhere?

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If you guys don't get something then it's better you two sthu instead of acting on bare bones of assumptions.

BD_2015
July 16, 2011, 07:52 PM
Prophet T-ziddy?

What do you mean by that and which prophet?

Bancan
July 16, 2011, 11:30 PM
I will give you the very bare bones of the concept. I basically ask myself "What would the Prophet (PBUH) do if he received his prophet-hood today?" I also believe concepts like love, humanity, and humility are more valued by Allah than most of the belligerent issues we deal with today. Live and let live!

:applause:

Alien
July 17, 2011, 04:57 AM
If you guys don't get something then it's better you two sthu instead of acting on bare bones of assumptions.

How about you explain instead expecting people to get your nonsensical crap? You talk rubbish and then accuse others of making "bare bones of assumption". Nice.

Rabz
July 17, 2011, 05:05 AM
Is Atheism a non-prophet organisation ???

BanCricFan
July 17, 2011, 08:10 AM
I will give you the very bare bones of the concept. I basically ask myself "What would the Prophet (PBUH) do if he received his prophet-hood today?" I also believe concepts like love, humanity, and humility are more valued by Allah than most of the belligerent issues we deal with today. Live and let live!

That was a very strange definition of "reformed muslim", to say the least. How would you know what the Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would have done. The Prophet was constantly guided by the Divine Revelations and the Qur'an affirms this by "...and he (Muhammad) doesn't speak from his desire except Divine Wahi is revealed". The Companions of the Prophet used to ask the Prophet about different matters and, most usually, he (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would guide them through Qur'anic revelations.

On the assumption that archangel Jibril ('alaihi salam) doesn't bring any new Heavenly revelations to YOU -how does it make you reformed and special from the normal everyday muslims? Perhaps, you are capable of Independent Reasoning (Ijtihad)?

Most muslims I know are guided by love, humanity and HUMILITY. Perhaps, you're claiming these qualities UNIQUE to YOU? If not then where is the "reformation"?

Alien
July 17, 2011, 08:32 AM
@BanCricFan

There is a bit of guess work involved when you pose the question "How would Prophet (Peace be upon him) act in this and that scenario?", and yes its impossible to predict.

However, time has changed the world we Muslims live ten times over. A reformed Muslim is one that tries to adapt Quranic guidance in 20th century world by factoring in things like technology, globalisation, massive geographical and population diversity of Islamic community and all that didn't exist 600-700AD.

Also placing greater influence on the spiritual aspect of Islam which is Faith, doing the good deeds, and having a positive influence in the community. It gets preached a lot in Khutbah, but seldom gets practiced in Islamic community (my generalised view).

Thats how I would define a reformed muslim.

BanCricFan
July 17, 2011, 09:34 AM
@BanCricFan

However, time has changed the world we Muslims live ten times over. A reformed Muslim is one that tries to adapt Quranic guidance in 20th century world by factoring in things like technology, globalisation, massive geographical and population diversity of Islamic community and all that didn't exist 600-700AD.



Dear Alien,

But this has always been the methodology of the muslims over the last 1400 years! I do encourage young muslims to undertake seriously the study of The Methodology of Islamic Jurisprudence (Usul al Fiqh) and The Objectives of Shari'ah (Maqaasid al Shari'ah).

Muslims have always applied the following COMPREHENSIVE Usuli principles dealing with "new" matters (and new principles are added or refined when required):

Qur'an
Sunnah
Opinions of the Companions
Qiyas (Analogy)
Independent Scholarly Reasoning (Ijtihad)
Council of Specialist Scholars
Council of Legal Verdicts

These mechanisms keep the Shari'ah always fine-tuned and up-to-date. So, Islamic Law will never require a "reformation" but what is required is Tajdeed or "renewel" or "revivification". And the Quran commands us to constantly purify our spiritual conditions or qualities ('Ilm al Ihsan).

Instead of riding a camel we are riding a 4-wheeler or boarding a jet-plane. Only the mode of transports have changed- for example. Despite the globalisation human beings have not evolved into space monkeys...yet! Instead of going to wars over cattles, we are going to wars for oil and other resources. :)

Isnaad
July 17, 2011, 09:45 AM
If Hazrat Muhammad (Sm.) was given the duty of spreading Islam in the 21st century, the 5 times a prayer would still exist. So would the other 4 main pillars of Islam. So, Mr. Electriqueim, as a reformed Muslim, do you abide by all these? Personal question? Yeah I know that. These questions have been asked to you so that you can ask yourself. Need not let us know.
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BD_2015
July 17, 2011, 10:49 AM
Dear Alien,

But this has always been the methodology of the muslims over the last 1400 years! I do encourage young muslims to undertake seriously the study of The Methodology of Islamic Jurisprudence (Usul al Fiqh) and The Objectives of Shari'ah (Maqaasid al Shari'ah).

Muslims have always applied the following COMPREHENSIVE Usuli principles dealing with "new" matters (and new principles are added or refined when required):

Qur'an
Sunnah
Opinions of the Companions
Qiyas (Analogy)
Independent Scholarly Reasoning (Ijtihad)
Council of Specialist Scholars
Council of Legal Verdicts

These mechanisms keep the Shari'ah always fine-tuned and up-to-date. So, Islamic Law will never require a "reformation" but what is required is Tajdeed or "renewel" or "revivification". And the Quran commands us to constantly purify our spiritual conditions or qualities ('Ilm al Ihsan).

Instead of riding a camel we are riding a 4-wheeler or boarding a jet-plane. Only the mode of transports have changed- for example. Despite the globalisation human beings have not evolved into space monkeys...yet! Instead of going to wars over cattles, we are going to wars for oil and other resources. :)


This is a really great answer when question arise by Non-Muslims or even by Muslims Does Islam still compatable in 21st century?
When modern technology,wealth,luxury,new world order new laws and sexual provocation reached it's high peak compare to 1400 years ago outdated(to some peoples) Islamic rules and regulation.

Ahmed_B
July 17, 2011, 11:56 AM
- I am interested in finding out why someone one who was was indoctrined with the socio-cultural-religious background of Bangladesh no longer believes in Islam.
To the thread opener (and to others participating):
-Firstly, the spellings are 'Atheist' & 'Indoctrinated'.
-Secondly, it took me several long looks at the introductory lines to figure out the actual question asked to the members. But, to be honest, I still am not sure what is being asked here. Let me elaborate my concerns first...by separating each part of your question and then trying to relate them back:
A. 'someone who was indoctrinated'
B. 'socio-cultural' & 'religious' background of BD
C. ‘Non-believer in Islam’
D. ‘Atheist’

Lets just be frank about the above concepts so you can realize why I found it very difficult to co-relate these concepts and find a clear meaning of your question.
A. 'someone who was indoctrinated'
First of all, Religious (especially Islamic) training in Bangladesh is not anywhere near what a true training should be. It is rather full of shockingly misleading practices taught by ill-trained and almost scientifically non-enlightened priests who teach intolerance rather than brotherhood of tolerance and knowledge. One can hardly call it ‘indoctrinate’.. rather should be called ‘gojamil-therapy’.
Secondly, majority of the Muslim families in BD actually trains their children a softer and moderate version of practices, again not indoctrinate them.
B. 'socio-cultural' & 'religious' background of BD
The thing I would like to say about this part of the question, is that both BD’s socio-cultural & religious background consists of several religious beliefs..and not just Islamic. I feel it is worth mentioning, because the cultural and lifestyle practices in BD are not derived from purely Islamic norms & values. There are many social and cultural practices in this community (pohela boishakh and so on..) which came from other religions and lifestyles as well.
C. ‘No longer believer in Islam’
Now this is where I got stuck too bad. Firstly because of the assumption that anyone grown up in BD culture ‘must have been’ a believer in Islam in the first place...which is definitely not the situation in reality. Even if I discard the non-Muslim community from this discussion...I still cant see the relation of your implication to actual reality around us. While I put these dilemmas of my mind on the table for everyone...I am genuinely surrounded by all the buzz in the market around decorated ‘Ruti’ & ‘Haluas’ or even ‘Kabaabs’ and ‘Chiken Tikkas’ and massive explosion ‘Potkas’ celebrating (!!) Shab-E-Barat! I dare say...most of us around are only ‘ill-trained half-believers’ rather than focused practitioners.
My question to you is... why it surprises you that these half-beliefs fade away with age, context & stages of life?
D. ‘Atheist’
Finally, about the thread-title itself...which is, to be honest, confusing enough! You actually related ‘no longer a believer in Islam’ directly to ‘Atheists’ by jumping several steps altogether. Why?
- Because there are people who no longer practice Islam because some of them converted to or got attracted to other religions or beliefs.
-Because there are people who no longer believe in Islam but still believe in supernatural spiritual existences.
-Because there are people who no longer practice Islam because they don’t believe in the form of Islam that they’ve been taught by the BD mullahs.
-Because there are people who have been taught Islamic ways throughout their lives...but never actually believed in them!

These group of people I mentioned above ARE all from BD’s socio-cultural context and are not a very minor part of the community...they are a significant proportion of the whole!

Atheists, on the other hand, do not necessarily have to be a believer in Islam (or any other religion for that matter) at first. Many of them might never have believed in any religion in the first place. Many of them might have come from other belief-systems.

So I would be eager to know which of the following is your actual question?

1. What thoughts make a focused believer in Islam lose his strength of Iman and convert to any other belief?
2. What thoughts make a ‘half-trained fake believer’ in Islam do the same?
3. What thoughts encourage a believer (of any religious faith) to convert to a non-believer.
4. What thoughts encourage an individual to put faith in Atheism, in particular, as a practicing lifestyle?

In short, my dilemma is: Are you discussing why people veer away from Islam? Or are you discussing why people become Atheists?

Because these are not synonymous my friend...and by trying to make them look so, you can hurt people of both groups provoking them to ugly mud-slinging very quickly!

-As Myself

RazabQ
July 17, 2011, 12:20 PM
Ahmed - what a post! Wonderful breakdown!

RazabQ
July 17, 2011, 12:21 PM
BTW my trolly-sense has been tingling from day one on this thread - as Mod

Electrequiem
July 17, 2011, 12:23 PM
If Hazrat Muhammad (Sm.) was given the duty of spreading Islam in the 21st century, the 5 times a prayer would still exist. So would the other 4 main pillars of Islam. So, Mr. Electriqueim, as a reformed Muslim, do you abide by all these? Personal question? Yeah I know that. These questions have been asked to you so that you can ask yourself. Need not let us know.
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Stupid question. The view is great once you get off the high horse, I promise.
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Electrequiem
July 17, 2011, 12:24 PM
I'll get back to the rest of you, soon (BCF, Alien, Zee). Gotta run some errands first.
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shaad
July 17, 2011, 01:01 PM
BTW my trolly-sense has been tingling from day one on this thread - as Mod

Not only yours. You don't generally expect someone's first posts to try to stir up such a hornet's nest, do you?

Zeeshan
July 17, 2011, 03:30 PM
How about you explain instead expecting people to get your nonsensical crap? You talk rubbish and then accuse others of making "bare bones of assumption". Nice.

I don't have to explain anything- at least not to you. It wasn't a reply at your post not was it directed to you. Take your hate elsewhere and stop responding to me.

Rifat
July 17, 2011, 03:43 PM
muahahahahahahahaha,

two of the most interesting topics to talk about in BanglaCricket:

1. Islam/Religion
2. Mohammad Ashraful

these two topics will never die! Ashraful will probably have children who will make it to the national team and muahahahahaa...:D

after that...
3. Threads opened by ZeeshanM

viva BanglaCricket :BCFlag:

Ashfaq
July 17, 2011, 04:19 PM
Stupid question. The view is great once you get off the high horse, I promise.
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Cut him some slack, he's just a kid.

Ashfaq
July 17, 2011, 04:20 PM
I don't have to explain anything- at least not to you. It wasn't a reply at your post not was it directed to you. Take your hate elsewhere and stop responding to me.

Such petulance is unbecoming of you, Zeeshan.

goru
July 17, 2011, 06:37 PM
muahahahahahahahaha,

two of the most interesting topics to talk about in BanglaCricket:

1. Islam/Religion
2. Mohammad Ashraful

these two topics will never die! Ashraful will probably have children who will make it to the national team and muahahahahaa...:D

after that...
3. Threads opened by ZeeshanM

viva BanglaCricket :BCFlag:

So, the ultimate epic thread on BC would be about Ashraful's practice of Islam and be opened by GB? *shudder*

Zeeshan
July 18, 2011, 12:31 AM
Exactly, so since you can't be bothered explaining it, you should expect to face some backlash (within forum rules of course). Its one or the other.

In case you didn't know, Muslims are rather sensitive about Prophets, Quran and all that are central to Islam. Google "Danish Cartoon" for some examples. So when you either mock or write BS like "T-Ziddy", people get offended, and when they get offended, don't expect them to be any more affectionate.

Not to mention that post didn't didn't add to the discussion in any constructive manner.
It was just a mockery (yes since you didn't bothered to disprove my "assumptions").

So maybe you can practice what you preach for starters which is not spewing hate and derailing thread. Its a good skill for a wannabe-Mod such as yourself.

And yes, case closed.

Alien do you have a problem with me? You can complaint to the admins if that is the case. Or you better not let your personal hatred of me get better of you.

A. Muslims don't have some copyright written over the word Prophet.
B. Nothing was directed at you so don't try to stir a s+++ when there isn't.
C. Stop assuming like a fool that what I wrote is "BS" or must be mocking the prophet.

Lastly, I am acting on my full rights as a member with the latitude of forum rules. So give some thought before you attack me with your 'wanna be' comments.

Agree to disagree but don't think just because I am some faceless person behind the screen at least behind my handle of my own name you can spew your bigotry towards me.

And @Ashfaq, I live for yet another day when I don't have to hear some constructive criticism BS from you.

Have a good night gentlemen.... Don't mistake my kindness for weakness.

bujhee kom
July 18, 2011, 12:49 AM
nah bhai burmese o na iranian o na.
something about me... 1992 tey jokhon babri mosque niye tensioner karoney dhakai saarc cricket shesh holo nah, shetai bangladesh cricketer earliest sriti.

So imna bhai, are you looking to be an athiest or thinking of it as a possibility? Are you doing a research? Where do you live and are you a Bangladeshi, where are you from? Imna bhai, are you from Kolkata, West Bengal? I am just curious.

bujhee kom
July 18, 2011, 12:50 AM
Top post by our dear Ahmed Bashir bhai! Really good post!

Isnaad
July 18, 2011, 02:22 AM
Stupid question. The view is great once you get off the high horse, I promise.
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I asked-'Do you abide by the 5 main pillars of Islam?' and you consider it as a 'stupid question'. You consider yourself as a reformed muslim and consider the 5 main pillars of Islam to be 'stupid'. Wonderful! Bravo!
So what does your religious mindset comprise of? Live, let live and consider the commands of the Heavenly Scripture as 'stupid'? Thats not Islam. That is your own invented religion.
@ashfaq bro, Yes I am a kid and I have common sense, love for my creator and a sense of what is right and what is wrong thank you.
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auntu
July 18, 2011, 02:34 AM
Dear Alien,

But this has always been the methodology of the muslims over the last 1400 years! I do encourage young muslims to undertake seriously the study of The Methodology of Islamic Jurisprudence (Usul al Fiqh) and The Objectives of Shari'ah (Maqaasid al Shari'ah).

Muslims have always applied the following COMPREHENSIVE Usuli principles dealing with "new" matters (and new principles are added or refined when required):

Qur'an
Sunnah
Opinions of the Companions
Qiyas (Analogy)
Independent Scholarly Reasoning (Ijtihad)
Council of Specialist Scholars
Council of Legal Verdicts

These mechanisms keep the Shari'ah always fine-tuned and up-to-date. So, Islamic Law will never require a "reformation" but what is required is Tajdeed or "renewel" or "revivification". And the Quran commands us to constantly purify our spiritual conditions or qualities ('Ilm al Ihsan).

Instead of riding a camel we are riding a 4-wheeler or boarding a jet-plane. Only the mode of transports have changed- for example. Despite the globalisation human beings have not evolved into space monkeys...yet! Instead of going to wars over cattles, we are going to wars for oil and other resources. :)
Jazakallah BCF. Super post.

bujhee kom
July 18, 2011, 02:49 AM
Dear imna bhai, apni tow kotha theke urey eshey jurey boshlen aar ei threadta khullen aar Khela kintoo besh fatafati jomiye dilen dada!!'

Ki miah bhai, ekhon lookaiye asen keno table/Khaat er nichey? Bair hon taratari!!

Ashfaq
July 18, 2011, 05:55 AM
I asked-'Do you abide by the 5 main pillars of Islam?' and you consider it as a 'stupid question'. You consider yourself as a reformed muslim and consider the 5 main pillars of Islam to be 'stupid'. Wonderful! Bravo!
So what does your religious mindset comprise of? Live, let live and consider the commands of the Heavenly Scripture as 'stupid'? Thats not Islam. That is your own invented religion.
@ashfaq bro, Yes I am a kid and I have common sense, love for my creator and a sense of what is right and what is wrong thank you.
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Isnaad, you're in NDC, aren't you? You'll learn many important life lesson there, including the place of religion in one's spiritual life. Once you do, you'll realize why I called you a kid. It's good that you have common sense & Love for Allah. Try to hold onto them as you grow up.

Alien
July 18, 2011, 07:00 AM
Dear Alien,

But this has always been the methodology of the muslims over the last 1400 years! I do encourage young muslims to undertake seriously the study of The Methodology of Islamic Jurisprudence (Usul al Fiqh) and The Objectives of Shari'ah (Maqaasid al Shari'ah).

Muslims have always applied the following COMPREHENSIVE Usuli principles dealing with "new" matters (and new principles are added or refined when required):

Qur'an
Sunnah
Opinions of the Companions
Qiyas (Analogy)
Independent Scholarly Reasoning (Ijtihad)
Council of Specialist Scholars
Council of Legal Verdicts

These mechanisms keep the Shari'ah always fine-tuned and up-to-date. So, Islamic Law will never require a "reformation" but what is required is Tajdeed or "renewel" or "revivification". And the Quran commands us to constantly purify our spiritual conditions or qualities ('Ilm al Ihsan).

Instead of riding a camel we are riding a 4-wheeler or boarding a jet-plane. Only the mode of transports have changed- for example. Despite the globalisation human beings have not evolved into space monkeys...yet! Instead of going to wars over cattles, we are going to wars for oil and other resources. :)

I think you misunderstood my post. Let me clarify.

Firstly we Muslims need to go back to our spiritual roots. A lot of emphasis is placed on rites and rituals. People gets judged a lot on how many Surahs they memorised, how many times they pray etc. Even when pray, we barely understand a word we are uttering and not only that we are killing the Arabic language. Even when we give Salam its not the "Assalamualaikum..."..but rather "slamulaikum......"

Another thing is, there is a strong emphasis on learning Arabic. True Quran should be appreciated in the language it was revealed, but we will never appreciate it if we just learn the alphabets and then move directly to Surahs. I used to have a Hujur who taught me alphabets and right after I got the hang of it, it was straight onto Surah. What I really wanted was to learn Arabic like a native Arab so when I read the Quran, it could understand it just like reading a book in English or Bangla. So that didn't go according to plan. In Madrassas, this is how it is.

Above all, there is a zero focus on core teachings of our Prophet (PBUH) and Quran which is of love, compassion and humbleness. Indeed, if all devout Muslims focused on these values more (as well as rites and rituals), the state of our country would have been a lot better as people would be more conscious and law abiding.

Mind you they do get preached but its more the case of going through one ear and coming out of other.

Away from BD, and you look at Pakistan and Afghanistan, you come across the violent bandits like Al-Qaeda and Taliban and their large group of sympathizers. I don't need to elaborate on how these 2 distorted Islam just like a black hole distorts space-time.

Then come across Mid-East where Muslims are the most disunited, power hungry, repressive regimes. While Palestinians suffer, Arab sheikhs dump their billions on the next sky-scraper. Its surprising to think this region the centre of the once mighty Ummayad Empire.

Mind you most from Indonesia to Bosnia are consistent in how they pray, how long they fast (30 days), etc what not but each have lost the very core values that existed in the old golden days which are - fear of God, love, compassion, respect for law and environment, unity and looking after the needy.

As reformed Muslim, you tend to go back to these humanistic values of Islam without compromising on prayers and rituals.

Electrequiem
July 18, 2011, 07:08 AM
I asked-'Do you abide by the 5 main pillars of Islam?' and you consider it as a 'stupid question'. You consider yourself as a reformed muslim and consider the 5 main pillars of Islam to be 'stupid'. Wonderful! Bravo!
So what does your religious mindset comprise of? Live, let live and consider the commands of the Heavenly Scripture as 'stupid'? Thats not Islam. That is your own invented religion.
@ashfaq bro, Yes I am a kid and I have common sense, love for my creator and a sense of what is right and what is wrong thank you.
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Hmm. That's a nice assumption you made there. I called the question stupid - and unless your question is part of a heavenly scripture, I never said that the 5 pillars or other tenets were stupid. Do not put words in my mouth.

Yeah, I guess Ashfaq was right: you are a kid. I hope NDC doesn't mean "Newbie Day Care."

@Alien: the whole T-Ziddy affair is very silly ... I can assure you Zeeshan meant no disrespect towards Islam's Prophet. Perhaps before jumping the gun on him, a simple question like "What did you mean by T-Ziddy?" would have cleared things up.
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Alien
July 18, 2011, 07:12 AM
@Alien: the whole T-Ziddy affair is very silly ... I can assure you Zeeshan meant no disrespect towards Islam's Prophet. Perhaps before jumping the gun on him, a simple question like "What did you mean by T-Ziddy?" would have cleared things up.
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Well he knew he was treading on muddy waters and should have cleared it up straight away just like last time when he said something about Prophet (PBUH) marriage to Aisha (RA) and apologised after that.

I would have been more than happy to accept his explanation and delete my post. In fact I'll do it now as I take your assurance that he meant no disrespect.

PS: Couldn't delete the first two since it was posted from phone. The vBulletin doesn't allow for some reason.

mona
July 18, 2011, 07:41 AM
Haha this thread has some good examples of why I became atheist.

Naimul_Hd
July 18, 2011, 07:56 AM
Haha this thread has some good examples of why I became atheist.

I feel bad for you.

Ashfaq
July 18, 2011, 08:18 AM
I think you misunderstood my post. Let me clarify.

Firstly we Muslims need to go back to our spiritual roots. A lot of emphasis is placed on rites and rituals. People gets judged a lot on how many Surahs they memorised, how many times they pray etc. Even when pray, we barely understand a word we are uttering and not only that we are killing the Arabic language. Even when we give Salam its not the "Assalamualaikum..."..but rather "slamulaikum......"

Another thing is, there is a strong emphasis on learning Arabic. True Quran should be appreciated in the language it was revealed, but we will never appreciate it if we just learn the alphabets and then move directly to Surahs. I used to have a Hujur who taught me alphabets and right after I got the hang of it, it was straight onto Surah. What I really wanted was to learn Arabic like a native Arab so when I read the Quran, it could understand it just like reading a book in English or Bangla. So that didn't go according to plan. In Madrassas, this is how it is.

Above all, there is a zero focus on core teachings of our Prophet (PBUH) and Quran which is of love, compassion and humbleness. Indeed, if all devout Muslims focused on these values more (as well as rites and rituals), the state of our country would have been a lot better as people would be more conscious and law abiding.

Mind you they do get preached but its more the case of going through one ear and coming out of other.

Away from BD, and you look at Pakistan and Afghanistan, you come across the violent bandits like Al-Qaeda and Taliban and their large group of sympathizers. I don't need to elaborate on how these 2 distorted Islam just like a black hole distorts space-time.

Then come across Mid-East where Muslims are the most disunited, power hungry, repressive regimes. While Palestinians suffer, Arab sheikhs dump their billions on the next sky-scraper. Its surprising to think this region the centre of the once mighty Ummayad Empire.

Mind you most from Indonesia to Bosnia are consistent in how they pray, how long they fast (30 days), etc what not but each have lost the very core values that existed in the old golden days which are - fear of God, love, compassion, respect for law and environment, unity and looking after the needy.

As reformed Muslim, you tend to go back to these humanistic values of Islam without compromising on prayers and rituals.
:up::up:
What you described is exactly what religion should be. I.e., not a bunch of rituals but a guideline for spiritual and mundane life.

imna
July 18, 2011, 12:27 PM
Can’t edit the first post but this is getting way more complicated than it needs to be. I’ll try to me make it simpler.

Let’s say you are person X having at least some sort of understanding with the Islamic/non-Islamic tradition, culture, rituals, stories, saying whatever that is relevant in Bangladesh. You ‘were’ a Muslim with conservative, practicing, moderate, half baked, spiritual or however you define yourself.
Now you, person X, is an ‘atheist’- i.e. you reject the belief in the existence of deities.
I would like to hear 'your' reasoning and thoughtful explanation as to why this is the case.
--If you are consider yourself a theist, and/or a muslim or of any other faith/religion, then you are Not person X and therefore the question is not pointed at you.

Also, I am sure you all understand that personal attacks and stuff thrown at others’ religious beliefs probably doesn’t help either side, as well as a little bit of thick skin and ignoring some stuff is needed for sharing ideas in an open forum.

And lastly please,once again, specifically in this thread "I am not interested in knowing the true meaning of Islam or any other religion, its pros/cons,'what is' versions and 'what if' scenario etc" and only would like to discuss the question posed above.
Thanks,

banfan2
July 18, 2011, 01:18 PM
Prophet T-ziddy?

what is t-dizzy? what did you mean by that?

Blah
July 18, 2011, 01:24 PM
Let’s say you are person X having at least some sort of understanding with the Islamic/non-Islamic tradition, culture, rituals, stories, saying whatever that is relevant in Bangladesh. You ‘were’ a Muslim with conservative, practicing, moderate, half baked, spiritual or however you define yourself.
Now you, person X, is an ‘atheist’- i.e. you reject the belief in the existence of deities.
I would like to hear 'your' reasoning and thoughtful explanation as to why this is the case.


The story of a bengali religious muslim who became an atheist, is not much different from a christian american or an israeli jewish or an indian hindu who went to the dark side and rejected the existence of deities.

As someone who is an atheist and have read and heard (first hand) many similar transformation stories, its very easy to highlight major patterns in most of these stories. These stories usually boil down to skeptic individuals who somehow slipped out of the stranglehold of their religious parents, families, friends and culture. They come to this realization that people from other religions are not monsters and are just as loving, caring and normal, on average, as they are. Their skeptic mind starts to question other indoctrinated beliefs that has been shoved down their throat and slowly over weeks, months or years comes to the realization that religion is bunk.

I am curious to know why you are interested in these stories? For what its worth there are not a lot of vocal atheist in this form. Probably 0.002% of members here are atheist. So I don't agree with your view that this forum is a very good representation of such members or even a half decent place to discuss these views.

goru
July 18, 2011, 01:55 PM
And lastly please,once again, specifically in this thread "I am not interested in knowing the true meaning of Islam or any other religion, its pros/cons,'what is' versions and 'what if' scenario etc" and only would like to discuss the question posed above.


Yeah... good luck with that... :up:

bujhee kom
July 18, 2011, 01:56 PM
Something tells me imna bhai is from Poshchim Bongo! Hehehehehe ami kintoo unar Bangla lekhar style deikha buijha gesi bhais!

goru
July 18, 2011, 02:00 PM
Something tells me imna bhai is from Poshchim Bongo! Hehehehehe ami kintoo unar Bangla lekhar style deikha buijha gesi bhais!

Eto beshi bujhar dorkar nai... nick paltaite hoibo tahole.

Zeeshan
July 18, 2011, 02:35 PM
Imna....imna...imna....wait...it's anagrammed is Iman! Also Illuminati somehow abbreviated is imna...

You are illuminati huh?

BD_2015
July 18, 2011, 04:00 PM
At Imna are you Muslim?
What did you mean by someone,x etc?
Did you mean by this Zeeshan?

His answer is :

I don't believe in atheism.

imna
July 18, 2011, 04:34 PM
As someone who is an atheist and have read and heard (first hand) many similar transformation stories, its very easy to highlight major patterns in most of these stories....
I am curious to know why you are interested in these stories? ....

Unlike you I do not know anyone or get to hear the other side of the story.

As for why I am interested in these stories, I would like to know what were the driving forces that led them to their conclusion.

So far I have heard (3) relevant comments from members here:
( feel free to comment if you do not agree with my summary of your comments)

-- religion doesn't make sense. All religion say they are the 'truth' so why take one over the other or any; hence atheist
--this thread has some good examples of why he/she became atheist ( not completely clear what was meant )
-- people get detached & come to this realization that people from another religions are also just 'people'; they eventually get skeptic of religious teaching & beliefs and finally realize its bunk.

I am sure there are many other lines of thought and would like to hear it.
--Also thanks to the mods for 'deleting' a couple of off-topic comments that were made.

If you have any specific questions feel free to pm and would like to continue the 'on-topic' conversation here.

BD_2015
July 18, 2011, 04:40 PM
Imna asnwer my question man ?it's not off topic.Simple and clear question?

imna
July 18, 2011, 04:41 PM
At Imna are you Muslim?
What did you mean by someone,x etc?
Did you mean by this Zeeshan?
His answer is :

At Imna are you Muslim?
The more relevant question is will Ash bat at third down or forth down.

What did you mean by someone,x etc?
I mean 'X' as in anyone. algebra tey jemon, suppose 'x'....

Did you mean by this Zeeshan?
No, I do not know how this member/comment or is even relevant here ?

Zeeshan
July 18, 2011, 05:04 PM
Habib might be a closet atheist.

@imna...Try doing search on blah. Many of his threads have been derailed to similar topics. :-)

m
July 18, 2011, 05:20 PM
Instead of answering to your question I will try to understand the problem of your question. Even though the problem I am going to present is no way limited to your one.

By the way, on-line forums are like goru rochona cases on steroid. Everyone will try to somehow steer it to a discussion of his/her own interest. Not that this doesn't happen elsewhere, but the on-line environment is just too favorable. Nothing to snicker about it, since "title" is in the eye of the reader. Everyone is entitled to his/her interpretation. The wise will sift through it to scour out the substance that matters to him. The wiser will glean enjoyment and bonus wisdoms in and from all these distractions and digressions, as well. It's all fun.

Anyway, I think the discussion of issues such as this becomes problematic because of a moving epistemological position of the participants. What I mean is, every current stance of an individual on any issue usually entails a construct of justification(obviously that justification consists deficiencies, real or perceived, which is why the concerned individual's position on that issue may move). When someone moves from that position to another, his epistemological position moves too and then difficulty arises in communicating with other individuals that are still sticking to that old position.

For example, say an individual A, with his current epistemological position P, holds a stance S on a certain issue I. The hypothesis is, P is a function of S. Now, through deliberation, A moves from stance S to stance S1 on the issue I. But with that his epistemological position also moves to, say, P1.

Now suppose, another individual B holds the stance S on I. This is possible with B's epistemological position being at P or something else. But let's assume that it IS P. Now if A somehow encounters B, and feels impelled to lead him towards the stance S1, it is not always a simple task, since their epistemological positions P and P1 may not be compatible. Unless A possesses the aptitude to remember the history of his own stances, e.g. P, P1, P2 etc.

From my observation, it is quite a non-trivial attribute to possess. Which is why we see cynicisms galore. Some of that may be more justified than others (not speaking from moral point of view), but often the superiority of one's discursive position is judged by attributes external to the discourse, such as cynicism, leading the discourse to degenerate swiftly.

Anyway, I think it is this history of metamorphoses of one's epistemological position is what you are calling at. If not, then it is my own digression from your goru rochona :).

imna
July 18, 2011, 06:25 PM
Now if A somehow encounters B, and feels impelled to lead him towards the stance S1, it is not always a simple task, since their epistemological positions P and P1 may not be compatible. Unless A possesses the aptitude to remember the history of his own stances, e.g. P, P1, P2 etc.
From my observation, it is quite a non-trivial attribute to possess.

Yes, hence I am not attempting, at least in this forum here, to lead B to agree with A but rather interested in knowing, what you called metamorphosis of, what led A to change his/her stance on issue I from P to P1.
Feel free to share more....

Rabz
July 19, 2011, 12:17 AM
Taoism
Sh!t happens.

Buddhism
If Sh!t happens, it's not really Sh!t.

Islam
If Sh!t happens, it's the will of Allah.

Protestantism
Sh!t happens because you don't work hard enough.

Judaism
Why does this Sh!t always happen to us?

Hinduism
This Sh!t happened before.

Catholicism
Sh!t happens because you're bad.

Hare Krishna
Sh!t happens rama rama. :-D

T.V. Evangelism
Send more Sh!t.

Atheism
No Sh!t.

Jehova's Witness
Knock knock, Sh!t happens.

Hedonism
There's nothing like a good Sh!t happening.

Christian Science
Sh!t happens in your mind.

Agnosticism
Maybe Sh!t happens, maybe it doesn't.

Rastafarianism
Let's smoke this Sh!t. :-D

Existentialism
What is Sh!t anyway?

Stoicism
This Sh!t doesn't bother me.

Take it easy guys. Dont go so hard on God.

Alien
July 19, 2011, 01:04 AM
Taoism
Sh!t happens.

Buddhism
If Sh!t happens, it's not really Sh!t.

Islam
If Sh!t happens, it's the will of Allah.

Protestantism
Sh!t happens because you don't work hard enough.

Judaism
Why does this Sh!t always happen to us?

Hinduism
This Sh!t happened before.

Catholicism
Sh!t happens because you're bad.

Hare Krishna
Sh!t happens rama rama. :-D

T.V. Evangelism
Send more Sh!t.

Atheism
No Sh!t.

Jehova's Witness
Knock knock, Sh!t happens.

Hedonism
There's nothing like a good Sh!t happening.

Christian Science
Sh!t happens in your mind.

Agnosticism
Maybe Sh!t happens, maybe it doesn't.

Rastafarianism
Let's smoke this Sh!t. :-D

Existentialism
What is Sh!t anyway?

Stoicism
This Sh!t doesn't bother me.

Take it easy guys. Dont go so hard on God.

Top stuff man. :up::up:

Couldn't stop laughing for good 5 minutes.

Isnaad
July 19, 2011, 04:46 AM
Hmm. That's a nice assumption you made there. I called the question stupid - and unless your question is part of a heavenly scripture, I never said that the 5 pillars or other tenets were stupid. Do not put words in my mouth.

Yeah, I guess Ashfaq was right: you are a kid. I hope NDC doesn't mean "Newbie Day Care."

@Alien: the whole T-Ziddy affair is very silly ... I can assure you Zeeshan meant no disrespect towards Islam's Prophet. Perhaps before jumping the gun on him, a simple question like "What did you mean by T-Ziddy?" would have cleared things up.
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Yes, it is part of the Heavenly scripture. The only difference was- My sentence was interrogative and the sentences the Heavenly scripture carries is Imperative. Anyways, with due respect to the forum rules, my piece of advice for you is, you should rethink and re-analyze your views regarding Islam. Its for your own good, not mine. Then again, its just a piece of advice. Following or not following is totally upto you.
Suppose NDC stands for Newbie Day Care. Then what is the problem?

Electrequiem
July 19, 2011, 07:44 AM
Yes, it is part of the Heavenly scripture. The only difference was- My sentence was interrogative and the sentences the Heavenly scripture carries is Imperative. Anyways, with due respect to the forum rules, my piece of advice for you is, you should rethink and re-analyze your views regarding Islam. Its for your own good, not mine. Then again, its just a piece of advice. Following or not following is totally upto you.
Suppose NDC stands for Newbie Day Care. Then what is the problem?

You're a funny dude.
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imna
July 20, 2011, 08:19 AM
Is that all ? I thought there would get a few more coherent arguments rather than:
Islam - If Sh!t happens, it's the will of Allah
Atheism - No Sh!t.

PaperTiger
July 20, 2011, 08:41 AM
imna, dude r you doing post-doc research on this subject? just curious
may be you add something this (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=6983) forum.

you have opened a can of worm

may be this (http://www.facebook.com/groups/atheistbangladesh) will help

Alien
July 20, 2011, 09:14 AM
Is that all ? I thought there would get a few more coherent arguments rather than:
Islam - If Sh!t happens, it's the will of Allah
Atheism - No Sh!t.

It was a joke. Take it easy.

imna
July 20, 2011, 09:17 AM
imna, dude r you doing post-doc research on this subject? just curious
may be this (http://www.facebook.com/groups/atheistbangladesh) will help
-Unfortunately no;I've limited academic training & knowledge to do research on this subject
-Sorry, I was not able to access the link as I do not have a username or password

imna
July 20, 2011, 09:18 AM
It was a joke. Take it easy.
No worries, I did take it as a joke.

Ahmed_B
July 20, 2011, 11:54 AM
@imna...
I must say its quite interesting that you signed in to a Cricket forum with an impression that it is a VERY GOOD place for such a sensitive research! Its probably a far better idea to find someone of your description in REAL LIFE and have a one-on-one chat with him..if you actually want to know what you seek for. No? :)

imna
July 20, 2011, 12:25 PM
@imna...
I must say its quite interesting that you signed in to a Cricket forum with an impression that it is a VERY GOOD place for such a sensitive research! Its probably a far better idea to find someone of your description in REAL LIFE and have a one-on-one chat with him..if you actually want to know what you seek for. No? :)

Thanks once again (and your thoughtful post earlier).
You are correct. Looking at the responses so far it seems I understated the amount of info I was expecting; but finding someone are you mentioned is rather difficult. I do know anyone & even if I did, they are unlikely to present themselves due to the social/cultural backlash.

Difference of ideas /opinions somehow triggers Very undesirable situation, as some of these 'discussions' are considered 'sensitive' by most I am know; hence thought of pinging BC forum where it seemed to have a collection of diverse members more or less from similar "socio-cultural/religious(/non)" with whom I thought would have a reasonable discussion.

Rabz
July 21, 2011, 01:24 AM
Is that all ? I thought there would get a few more coherent arguments rather than:
Islam - If Sh!t happens, it's the will of Allah
Atheism - No Sh!t.

Cuz as per Hinduism, this Sh!t happened before :-D

zman
July 21, 2011, 07:41 AM
@imna--

don't take sh!t lightly...if you stopped sh!tting today, do you think you'd give a sh!t about atheism say 4/5 days from now?

banfan2
July 21, 2011, 11:43 AM
imna u have to be more patient

imna
July 21, 2011, 12:38 PM
imna u have to be more patient

I think this thread can now be closed.
I've come across a sample of testimonies, posts etc of from ex-muslims bangladeshis which is enough for now.
Thank you all for your comments. Hope we have a wonderful series in Zimbabwe.

BD_2015
July 21, 2011, 12:58 PM
@ Imna you will remain a mysterios person in Bc history or atleast to me like Mr Obama bin Laden.
Don't just use and leave us.Hope to see you in bd cricket discussion.

Rabz
July 23, 2011, 06:55 AM
I think this thread can now be closed.

Agnosticism -
Maybe Sh!t happens, maybe it doesn't.