Bangladesh have talent, need self-belief - Stuart Law

[Murad]

Mohammad Isam
July 18, 2011

Stuart Law, the new Bangladesh coach, has said his aim is to build a self-reliant Bangladesh team that can help each other and rely less on the natural talent of individuals. Having arrived in Dhaka on Monday morning, along with new fielding coach Jason Swift, Law told his first press conference as coach that he needed to work with the team before identifying areas where they needed improvement, but felt a little more professionalism would help.

"I've seen Bangladesh play a lot of good cricket. They're very talented," Law said at the Shere Bangla National Stadium in Dhaka on Monday. "The captain [Shakib Al Hasan] was rated No. 1 all-rounder in the world not long ago; Tamim Iqbal is a destructive top-order batsman. Maybe there are areas away from cricket in which they need to improve. A little bit more professionalism maybe, but I haven't seen them up close to see what makes them tick.

"Maybe it's not about natural talent but a bit more mental toughness, self-belief. That's what I can impart. The bigger you are the harder you fall. We are a minnow which is a good thing because we go into every game as an underdog and there's nothing to lose."

Law has played against both Shakib and Tamim; he represented Lancashire and MCC against Bangladesh A in 2008. He will start work on July 20 when Bangladesh play a practice game in Mirpur and his first assignment will be to prepare the team for their tour of Zimbabwe which starts with a tour game on July 30. He said his approach to the side would be to initially observe and see what made the players tick.

"I like to observe rather than sit down and tell them what to do. I have a 9-year-old son and he doesn't like to do what I tell him either. I've learnt over my time, the more the players want to do it, the better for the team. It's not about what I want, it's about what they want. The tour of Zimbabwe should be a good one, in conditions that we are comfortable playing on. It should be a good way to get into the role.

"In the first weeks, the job will be to put names to faces. Once we get into that, we want to make Bangladesh cricket team a team they think they should be. It's about what they expect from themselves. If they believe they should be the seventh, sixth or fifth best team in the world, that's where we should aim at first. If they all perform at their optimum, the sky could be the limit for this team."

Law played the role of interim coach for Sri Lanka on their recent tour of England but chose to join Bangladesh after the ODI series ended as they were offering him a permanent job. "Sri Lanka were not in a position to offer an extension in the contract. So there was no job on the table from them. Bangladesh had contacted my management company to seek the possibility of joining. Having been here and knowing the passion that Bangladesh people have for cricket and their team, I saw it as a great opportunity for me while I'm still young as a coach.

"Hopefully I can impart the knowledge that I've gathered from my 31 seasons of cricket and make the players as good as they can be."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/current/story/523729.html

Welcome thread a post korte partam but thought this needs a new thread. Mods if you think this should be merged with the other thread, please do so. :)

[al Furqaan]

i like this "self-motivational" approach. lets see how things unfold. wishing the new coach and his boys the best of luck!

[roman]

Lets revisit this thread after 2 years..

[MohammedC]

I am beginning to hate the word talent. Ei ek shobddo aar kothodin shunthe hobe.

[roman]

I am beginning to hate the word talent. Ei ek shobddo aar kothodin shunthe hobe.
jotodin notun coach ashbe :). Keu to ar eshe bolbe na je tomader desh e talent nai..

[nadim 98]

amar moddeo o talent ache...

[samlove0]

What are your View on Current Bangladesh COaches.. Like Staurt Law and Fielding Coach Jason Swift..

[simon]

amar moddeo o talent ache...

amaro asey.:-D

[deshimon]

Sokol coach er ek e buli. Tarpor o dekha jak ki korte paren tnini.

[Banglaguy]

He called us minnows...

[nadim 98]

Staff Correspondent
Australian Stuart Law arrived in Dhaka on Monday to take up the coaching job of the Bangladesh national cricket team for the next two years. Law appeared for his first formal press conference as Bangladesh coach in the evening on the same day. During the press conference at the Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium the new coach shared his vision for the team and his coaching philosophy. Excerpts:  
Q: What made you take up the Bangladesh job?
Stuart Law: A fact of a few things. Sri Lanka weren’t in a position to offer an extension of contract so there was no job on the table from their respect. Bangladesh contacted my management to seek the possibility of joining. Having been here and knowing the passion Bangladeshi people have for cricket I saw it as a great opportunity for me. I am still very young as a coach and it is a great opportunity for me to learn with some of the most talented cricketers on the planet. Hopefully the knowledge that I have gained from 31 seasons in first-class cricket I can impart a bit of that knowledge to the players so that they can become as good as they can be.
Q: What is your idea about Bangladesh and Bangladesh’s cricket?
Law: I only had been here once before with the Sri Lanka team for a one-day series. I know a bit about the cricket team because I have seen them playing in England, Australia and obviously here in Bangladesh. And just knowing its huge population and that 90 per cent of the population loves cricket makes it all the more exciting. I love interacting with people who have the same passion that I have about the sport. I don’t know a lot about the culture at this stage but I am willing to learn and willing to live here and willing to respect and enjoy.
Q: What are the challenges that you expect to face? 
Law: I think when you do have a new coach or change of management it is always a challenge. The challenge for us is to put names into faces for the first couple of weeks. Once we get into that the next challenge for us is to make Bangladesh cricket the team they think they should be. It’s not about what I think they should be but what they expect from themselves. If they think they should be up in the sixth, seventh or fifth best team in the world I think that is where we should aim at.  At first to get up around there the boys should realise it’s a little bit of hard work. Natural talent can take you that far. But the work they had been doing might not be good enough so they might have to do a bit more to climb that ladder. I am sure the boys want to play for Bangladesh as long as they can and not just be in the team but perform as well as they can. If they can perform to the optimum level then sky is the limit for them.
Q: Have you set any goal for yourself as Bangladesh coach?
Law: I don’t want to sit here and make predictions.  I have got to know the players before I can start pushing them in different areas. That’s the way I do things. I didn’t come here to make big statements saying this is going to happen. I want to get in and get the feelings of the players, understand what makes them peak, what drives them on and what passions they have and once I know the player in that sort of capacity then you can start telling that this team can go this far or that far. At this stage I don’t want to make statements or too many big predictions. But we are not here for holiday, we are here to work. We want to bring Bangladesh team reward and knowledge and hopefully that knowledge will help them become a better Test playing nation.
Q: Do you think there is enough time for you to prepare the team for the Zimbabwe tour? 
Law: I think the best way to know a player is during the game of cricket. Practice is one thing it is something different to hone skill and work on technical difficulties. During a game you get to know how a player is reacting to different pressure situation.  It’s good that in a couple of day’s time they play a two-day game.  I like to get a feel for what the boys are doing, get to talk to them during the game and that’s the way I like to do things.   I have learnt over the period that the more the players want to do the better it is for the team. It’s not about what I want. It’s about what they want. I am looking forward to the tour of Zimbabwe. I should be a tour we should play good cricket in condition that is not similar to the sub continent. 
Q: The performance graph of Bangladesh cricket team is not stable. How confident are you about instilling stability?
Law: We want to have consistency and stability and that is what we strive for. The main reason why you are not consistent is because you are not sure of your role in the team. If I can have great relationship with the selectors the captain and the cricket board than I am sure we can have consistent things happening. It’s been proven the most stable relationship at the top generally provides the best environment and so the players play better cricket.
Q: Do you want to focus on individual improvement or do you do want to emphasis on performing as a unit? 
Law: I have been involved with a few cricket teams that were not as talented as the next team. But we played for each other and we won games for each other.  My philosophy is to play as team because it is a team sport. I know a lot depends on individuals in the game of cricket but if everyone is working on the same goal it makes everyone’s trouble a lot easy.
Q: In a team like Bangladesh, the coach calls most of the shots. Do you think this should be changed?
Law: I think the captain has a tough job once he gets into the field because he is the man in charge. We can only sit, observe and offer him advice at the right time. It is a tough job being a captain of a cricket team. The selectors are there to pick the team and they will have a massive influence on the final eleven. The captain should also have his input to that team because he is the one who gets out there with that team. If I can have a say than its better as there will be different opinions from different areas. But ultimately selectors will pick the team and we will be there to provide knowledge to make them achieve what they can achieve.

Source: Newagebd
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[LBW103]

Mohammad Isam
July 18, 2011

Stuart Law, the new Bangladesh coach, has said his aim is to build a self-reliant Bangladesh team that can help each other and rely less on the natural talent of individuals. Having arrived in Dhaka on Monday morning, along with new fielding coach Jason Swift, Law told his first press conference as coach that he needed to work with the team before identifying areas where they needed improvement, but felt a little more professionalism would help.

"I've seen Bangladesh play a lot of good cricket. They're very talented," Law said at the Shere Bangla National Stadium in Dhaka on Monday. "The captain [Shakib Al Hasan] was rated No. 1 all-rounder in the world not long ago; Tamim Iqbal is a destructive top-order batsman. Maybe there are areas away from cricket in which they need to improve. A little bit more professionalism maybe, but I haven't seen them up close to see what makes them tick.

"Maybe it's not about natural talent but a bit more mental toughness, self-belief. That's what I can impart. The bigger you are the harder you fall. We are a minnow which is a good thing because we go into every game as an underdog and there's nothing to lose."

Law has played against both Shakib and Tamim; he represented Lancashire and MCC against Bangladesh A in 2008. He will start work on July 20 when Bangladesh play a practice game in Mirpur and his first assignment will be to prepare the team for their tour of Zimbabwe which starts with a tour game on July 30. He said his approach to the side would be to initially observe and see what made the players tick.

"I like to observe rather than sit down and tell them what to do. I have a 9-year-old son and he doesn't like to do what I tell him either. I've learnt over my time, the more the players want to do it, the better for the team. It's not about what I want, it's about what they want. The tour of Zimbabwe should be a good one, in conditions that we are comfortable playing on. It should be a good way to get into the role.

"In the first weeks, the job will be to put names to faces. Once we get into that, we want to make Bangladesh cricket team a team they think they should be. It's about what they expect from themselves. If they believe they should be the seventh, sixth or fifth best team in the world, that's where we should aim at first. If they all perform at their optimum, the sky could be the limit for this team."

Law played the role of interim coach for Sri Lanka on their recent tour of England but chose to join Bangladesh after the ODI series ended as they were offering him a permanent job. "Sri Lanka were not in a position to offer an extension in the contract. So there was no job on the table from them. Bangladesh had contacted my management company to seek the possibility of joining. Having been here and knowing the passion that Bangladesh people have for cricket and their team, I saw it as a great opportunity for me while I'm still young as a coach.

"Hopefully I can impart the knowledge that I've gathered from my 31 seasons of cricket and make the players as good as they can be."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/current/story/523729.html

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What a SHOCKING START!!!!!!!!!

First he calls Bangladesh 'MINNOWS' and basically says they are the same as Ireland and Netherlands, Canada and Kenya, then he likens the team mentality to a NINE YEAR OLD!!!!

Oh no, no no... this is simply a shocking start.

Also he doesn''t even know the names of the players and who the main people are in the team?

Then on top of that he claims he doesn't like to coach much, but just watch..... Is THIS SERIOUSLY WHAT THE BCB HAVE HELD OUT FOR? This is the main target of their wish list and their US$225,000?

[edit] A coach who has not done any homework on the players or team and who has no passion for the role? This already has disaster written all over it.

[Murad]

^^^ Yeah I also didn't like it. We have nothing to lose? What did he mean by that? We are not Minnow like Ireland or Kenya. We have everything to lose. Our Test status will be questioned once again if the team perform bad. None of the top nations will tour/invite us.

Anyways its still the first day. At least he didn't promise anything like Siddons. Hope he will do much better than Dav and Siddons. And also hoping not to see him in the medias like Kristen and unlike Siddons.

[Jadukor]

Stuart Law is a cricketer from a golden era of Australian cricket. As his first class records show he probably would have played a lot more international cricket if he didn't need to compete with batting greats like Hayden, Langer, Gilchrist,Waugh, Ponting etc... That aussie side would have been phenomenally tough to get into for anyone and hence its no surprise he played so few.

But since he is from that era and has seen how cricket is played by a champion side, what I expect from him is to instill that attacking mindset, never say die attitude and self belief into our team.

In our immediate future there is a lot of work to be done
-we need to get back the attacking Ashraful of old. Siddons totally ruined him.
-We need to get Mash's confidence back and have him fully fit winning us games.
-We need to give opportunities (at least 3 consecutive games) to Alok to shine with the bat as well as with his leg spin
-Find us a suitable no. 3 and 4
-explore other wicket keeper batsman like Johirul
-He needs to develop Nasir, Noor and Hom as players for the future
-we need to get rid of the sissy players who doens't have courage to play shots even during the powerplays
-Most important of all Stuart Law needs to get the best out of Shakib and Tamim just like Siddons did

[kalpurush]

It's way too early to judge Law. Give him time - the two years he got, then judge.
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[WarWolf]

It's way too early to judge Law. Give him time - the two years he got, then judge.
[বাংলা]বৃক্ষ তোমার নাম কি, ফলে পরিচয়![/বাংলা]
Top post. :up:

[godzilla]

He called us minnows...

I know right? What a morality booster ... LOL

When the coach himself calls the team a minnow then how else are the players suppose to think like? I hope we don't get a bumpy ride once again

[BANFAN]

He called us minnows...

Jamie called us even worse than that. New coaches always down play the current status of a team when they take over, so that they can keep the expectations low. But Jamie reduced the level so low & was so brutal in treating the team as such, that it almost broke the confidence we earned in the WC 07. We took a lot of time to recover from that, if we at all recovered yet.

Who ever comes and whatever they say, hardly matters now. We have a track record and we can compare the achievements of any coach against that. And none can go as low as JS went, so no worries about being tagged a minnow.

[Naimul_Hd]

I hope he does not turn out to be our "Indian version of Greg Chappel" ! Allah Bless us.

[Night_wolf]

I hope he does not turn out to be our "Indian version of Greg Chappel" ! Allah Bless us.

for that we need a [বাংলা]দাদা[/বাংলা]

[Banglaguy]

I know right? What a morality booster ... LOL

When the coach himself calls the team a minnow then how else are the players suppose to think like? I hope we don't get a bumpy ride once again
Lol, they have talent... But they're still minnows... At least he's being a bit realistic rather than ''oh, we're going to Zimbabwe by an innings & 214 runs and then white wash everyone for the next five years''.

Jamie called us even worse than that. New coaches always down play the current status of a team when they take over, so that they can keep the expectations low. But Jamie reduced the level so low & was so brutal in treating the team as such, that it almost broke the confidence we earned in the WC 07. We took a lot of time to recover from that, if we at all recovered yet.

Who ever comes and whatever they say, hardly matters now. We have a track record and we can compare the achievements of any coach against that. And none can go as low as JS went, so no worries about being tagged a minnow.

What is it that Jamie said?

[LBW103]

Listen guys. A head coach just in the country should not be calling the team he is about to coach 'Minnows". Minnows is the tag used for Scotland, Ireland and Canada. Even if some people on here think BD is a useless team, you do not start your first day saying the team are basically no hopers.

To liken the mentality to his 9 year old child is also an error of judgement.

Yes of course let's give him 2 years (he has signed the contract now) and we will see how those two years have gone, but I do not think BD cricket can afford to wait that long and see if he is taking us backwards.

My original point about these comments is it shows a lack of judgement on his part to say things this way. My worry is therefore he will have a flawed way of looking at the team, who he admits to not even knowing their names. If he couldn't have even been bothered to find out something about the players before he arrived then that shows he is not in BD for much more than a job, in my view. There are only NINE head coaches in international test cricket, so this is an extremely important post, and one that deserves the respect that the fans give the person who holds it.

I know people here don't care about small things like this, but it is the small things that make a big difference and if BD is to climb, it will not be on a coach that doesn't understand the BD fans, media or players.

[Tigers_eye]

...

In our immediate future there is a lot of work to be done
-we need to get back the attacking Ashraful of old. Siddons totally ruined him. How so? His average is still 23. That is what he had all his career. Why only blame Siddons? All the coaches who have worked with him should then be blamed. Ash has talent no doubt. It is his mind that needs a fix (shot selection). That can not be done in international cricket. Too much pressure. It has to come from domestic cricket. Getting his head straight.
-We need to get Mash's confidence back and have him fully fit winning us games.The sooner you get over Mash the better it is. The lad had four/five operations in his knees. The fact he is still motivated to play is big. Expecting him coming back to form is expecting a Tendu coming up through our current domestic setup.
-We need to give opportunities (at least 3 consecutive games) to Alok to shine with the bat as well as with his leg spinYou can't help someone who does not want to help himself.
-Find us a suitable no. 3 and 4Already have. Only if the selectors choose them and team management play them. Z and SN.
-explore other wicket keeper batsman like Johirul This is something we can agree with.
-He needs to develop Nasir, Noor and Hom as players for the futureHe is the coach. That is what he is suppose to do.
-we need to get rid of the sissy players who doens't have courage to play shots even during the powerplays Put names and we will discuss them.
-Most important of all Stuart Law needs to get the best out of Shakib and Tamim just like Siddons did The tick comment, you must have missed it.

[Banglaguy]

^^^ Wow, your the answer man.

[MarufH]

It's way too early to judge Law. Give him time - the two years he got, then judge.
[বাংলা]বৃক্ষ তোমার নাম কি, ফলে পরিচয়![/বাংলা]

Agreed. :up:

Look guys, all these talk about watching and not making them do anything comes from Gary and his outstanding success. More and more coaches are realizing this is the way to go!

The fact that he is a young coach, and if he screw up here, he won't get a job anywhere else makes him a good candidate to try that much harder.

However, he needs to understand BD culture. From the vibe from different posts by Ian and Julien here, I figured BD players are kinda lazy. If you don't push them.. they don't do much...

Give him some time guys... he will get his act together.

[MarufH]

The context he called minnow sounded more like underdog... so don't hold him to it.

[LBW103]

The vibe on here is quite clear then: give Law two years THEN decide.

It's great that the fans are happy for the team to be called 9 year olds and minnows by the Head Coach, who hasn't got any plans or goals... and then be called 'lazy' by the fielding coach who has had experience of sub continental players before.

I will take it that everyone here is allowing a honeymoon period therefore and not being critical of these comments, that if made by SIDHU, PRASAD or CHAPPELL, you would be shouting about from the rooftops as disgraceful.

I fully understand that 'Gary', a world class head coach with a world class psychologist in Paddy Upton, took a hands off approach with the world's best team that includes Sehwag, Dhoni, Tendulkar, Laxman, Yuvrag, Kholi, Zaheer, Ishant, Harbashan, Munaf etc... as they are world class cricketers and already know what to do. For Law, a rookie coach with no goals or plans, to take that approach with Hom, Rocky, Junaid, Rubel, Razzak etc etc, doesn't seem the right way to go.

We have to be careful here of missing the point that BD requires special handling and some fully laid out and thought through planning. Weak leadership is exactly that. To disguise it as letting players do what they want will not work with THIS team at THIS time. It is when the players get as good as the Indian players that they can then realise how to behave, train and handle pressure. Without guidance to do that and the correct coaching, BD could be just about to be heading for a disaster.

The way to change being an underdog is to train harder and work on skills. Leadership is what is required at this point I feel and not wishy washy ideals that will get blown away the first time the team is 75 all out again. On that note I expect this new regime to bring an easy Test win and a 5-0 Zimbo-wash of the opposition. Either that or Law is sleep walking the players into an embarrassment.

[Banglaguy]

It's great that the fans are happy for the team to be called 9 year olds and minnows by the Head Coach, who hasn't got any plans or goals..

He has got plans, he says that the team has to believe where they want to be before he can try get them there.

[lamisa]

shobai ekii kotha bole. let's see what happens in 2 years

[simon]

damn,it sounds like a talent hunt reality show.:-P

[LBW103]

He has got plans, he says that the team has to believe where they want to be before he can try get them there.

So what plan is that? "It's not up to me" plan? "I can't help the players" plan?

I wanted a Head Coach with balls, drive, motivation, ideas, a big plan and someone prepared to come in on Day One with with at least some research on what to do. Not someone who is already saying it is up to the players and deflecting from himself as it appears he has no idea and is by his own admission, not experienced in coaching.

I cannot be the only one who thinks this???????

[Banglaguy]

So what plan is that? "It's not up to me" plan? "I can't help the players" plan?

I wanted a Head Coach with balls, drive, motivation, ideas, a big plan and someone prepared to come in on day with with at least some research on what to do. Not someone who is already saying it is up to the players and deflecting from himself.

I cannot be the only one who thinks this???????

He isn't saying this, he is saying that once he learns what motivates the players, and where they want to be, he will push them to that. He's not saying ''All right lads, we're playing India here, so don't try win, just try lose by less than 100 runs''. He is a motivator, and will try his level best I would hope.

[LBW103]

He isn't saying this, he is saying that once he learns what motivates the players, and where they want to be, he will push them to that. He's not saying ''All right lads, we're playing India here, so don't try win, just try lose by less than 100 runs''. He is a motivator, and will try his level best I would hope.

Where is the evidence he is a motivator...????

And of course he isn't saying what you said about losing. He IS saying instead that he doesn't want to tell the players what to do. My point is that this will not work in BD because they need guidance. He has already likened the team to 9 year olds. If so, would you let a 9 year just do what he wanted to do? What kind of parenting is that?

When Siddons left the consensus on here was we needed a tough coach with great ideas and plans. Someone to coach technique. A coach who can LEAD, not follow.

Seriously dude, if Law takes this approach to BD cricket we will be sliding down the rankings faster than anything. Discipline, guidance and ground rules are a starting point. Not this wishy washy "do what you want" approach from someone who admits he prefers to observe than coach, and will follow the players rather than lead them. These are the words of another player, not a coach.

Arrrggggghhhhh!

[Banglaguy]

I'm leaving this discussion my friend, you seriously don't know what your talking about.
And for the record, we aren't 9 year olds, we are 10 year olds in the test arena :D

[LBW103]

I'm leaving this discussion my friend, you seriously don't know what your talking about.
And for the record, we aren't 9 year olds, we are 10 year olds in the test arena :D

Please don't leave because you cannot back up what you have said.

If you don't think my hopes and aims for BD above are me 'not knowing what I am talking about' then that's cool.

Just pick out the comments yourself from Law's statement then. I am not making this up. I am trying to establish what he is ACTUALLY saying. And it shouts of a man with no real idea on Day One, other than to leave it up to the players and follow what they want to do.

[WarWolf]

Where is the evidence he is a motivator...????


Where is the evidence that he is not a motivator? A few words in media just after arriving for the first time?

I don't know whether he is a motivator or not. I will judge with enough evidence after giving him some time span to work with his team. But I remember one thing. He has been very successful as the captain of his county team for a long period of time which clearly shows his leading capabilities.

[LBW103]

Where is the evidence that he is not a motivator? A few words in media just after arriving for the first time?

I don't know whether he is a motivator or not. I will judge with enough evidence after giving him some time span to work with his team. But I remember one thing. He has been very successful as the captain of his county team for a long period of time which clearly shows his leading capabilities.

Captain on the field yep agreed. No problem with that. Coaching though is not being a captain. We have Shakib for captain. A Head Coach runs the show and calls the shots. He is the MAN. He has to balance everything, know everyone, have a plan, implement change, develop talent and above all, bring improved performances to the team and involve everyone. Captain on the field is field placing, bowler changes and stuff.

I didn't say he isn't a motivator.. BANGLAGUY did.. I was asking where the evidence for that is given the Sri Lankan outfit hasn't been massively motivated in England. Law himself became disillusioned so hardly motivational when the interim coach loses interest.

Let's judge him over time I agree. My original comment was that I am surprised he said what he said and appeared to have little idea what needs to happen in BD. If you start out being boss of any organization you usually have some sort of concept of that.

We will see how the fans react to the results :)

[RazabQ]

As myself:

I agree with LBW. That whole comment about not knowing the players names rankled me. For a 250K, top 9 jobs in the world position, I would want my guy to have done his homework. Heck part of the interview process _should_ have been Law coming to BCB with a dossier on each of the 20-25 "pool" players and highlighting what was his grand plan for bringing them to greater success.

No doubt he will work at his job, but already Mr. Law has given me a vibe that he has NOT worked hard enough on his first impression.

[nahaz]

Hey, here's my interpretation of a few things he said that might have stuck out:

Calling us minnows: In the sense that we are one of the weaker nations. Long as he thinks West Indies are minnows, I have no problem with his statement. Notice the context of the word. Its not really offensive. Though it is the eyesore of the article.

Getting to know the players: It is one thing to look at videos of players and learning their faces, and another completely to know who the individual players are, what makes them tick, what their weaknesses and strengths are, what makes them sad, happy...

Talent: Everyone has talent. He's saying "let's not just rely on talent. Let's work hard and make use of talent". Otherwise, talent's like the Zimbabwean dollar in our cricket economy.

Get them to tell him what position we want to be: There's no point in the coach saying we'll be no.3 if that's not what the players believe. The players need to think where they want to be individually and as a team, and the coach can then help them this way. Being Shahriar Nafees and saying I want to be the No.1 batsman in the world won't help. Similarly, being Sakib and saying I want to be in the top 5 for the next 2 years isn't good enough. For him, it should be I want to lead my team to victory in just about every match and in the process be no.1 for as far as I can see. Of course, if Sakib does not believe that then there's no point telling the coach, as at this level it really comes down to belief. So what happens if a batsman's target is to score 30 runs every match? Show him the door. No room for targettting mediocrity. Just make sure we get a replacement ready before that.

[Zeeshan]

Wait...at first I thought LBW was being sarcastic. I mean I recall him posting in the past something on the line of coach shouldn't be afraid to call spade a spade and Bangladesh need some stern coach to tell them they are clearly not the best...

Did you have a change of heart man?

All in all, KP topped the thread with his post. What I think is being starved of cricket for a while, hardcore fans are prone to do hassidic pilpul and split hair analysis on the slightest outbreak of news. Not a bad thing; it's a fan site after all- but...

HE JUST FRIKKIN ARRIVED FOR CHRIST'S SAKES!!! :hairpull:

wth is wrong with you ppl....

[Shartaz]

I have to agree with LBW, Stuart law basically said that his primary motivation for taking up the bd job was because of job security and that the Sri Lanka cricket board couldn't and wouldn't guarantee a contract extension. On top of this remember his IPL window antics?, which thankfully the BCB didn't allow.

This guy has no genuine interest in BD cricket. He is just here for the job. On the other hand Jamie Siddons was genuinely interested in BD cricket but didn't have the vision. Stuart Law has neither.

And it doesn't matter if he's just arrived or whatever, when you get paid somewhere in the region of 225K+, you should always be in the game.

Would you tolerate a newly elected president of a country saying something like "Yeah, this country is pretty sh**y, I like to think of the people of this country like I think of my 9-year old son."

[Zeeshan]

Would you tolerate a newly elected president of a country saying something like "Yeah, this country is pretty sh**y, I like to think of the people of this country like I think of my 9-year old son."

For everyone who's getting all worked up for the 9 year old comment...it's a darned ana-lo-gy..... :facepalm:

If anything he complimented on the bright prospects of the team saying when you are at the bottom you can aim high while if you are at the top you are more likely to fall harder.

Heck I can spin it around and say that by comparing the team to his 9 year old son he is actually showing MORE care with a fatherly attitude. :-|

[22Yards]

Over analysis going on here. Guy just got here. Everyone has to say stuff to the media and sometimes the choices of words aren't at their best. We should hold our horses and wait for his actions to deliver not words.

[Jadukor]

How so? His average is still 23. That is what he had all his career. Why only blame Siddons? All the coaches that has worked with him should then blamed. Ash has talent no doubt. It is his mind that needs a fix (shot selection). That can not be done in international cricket. Too much pressure. It has to come from domestic cricket. Getting his head straight.
I blame Siddons for confusing his confused mind even further [although i never thought such a feat is possible]. He used to play like a talented but reckless idiot... and now he plays like he is suffering from a dual personality syndrome where one day he thinks he is Boycott and on another day he tries to play like Richards. All these are signs of a simple mind muddled by coaching mantras.

The sooner you get over Mash the better it is. The lad had four/five operations in his knees. The fact he is still motivated to play is big. Expecting him coming back to form is expecting a Tendu coming up through our current domestic setup.
I am sorry and maybe I am not a realist but I simply can't give up on Mash and Alok because I have been a huge fan of both of them. Mash's contribution to our cricket doesn't need to be retold so untill we discover pacers of the same quality I will keep hoping that he doesn't quit cricket [how old is he? 27-28?].

Already have. Only if the selectors choose them and team management play them. Z and SN.
I am sorry but if Junaid is the solution at no. 3 or 4 then I fear for the worst in terms of results. We must find someone who has much better technique, range of strokes and consistency if we hope to beat the stronger sides

He is the coach. That is what he is suppose to do..
Much too often in the past we have discarded players after bringing them up through the ranks too early. Hom and Nasir got their chance this series and I hope it will not be the end of them if they fail.

Put names and we will discuss them.
I will put two. Roqibul Hassan and Naeem Islam

[hassan .r]

rightly said by Stuart law ......... lets hope that Stuart Law brings a new life to Bangladesh Cricket ................ eagerly waiting for Pakistan vs Bangladesh series in december :):):)

[habfreak]

lol! culture shock right here for Mr. Law. I'm sure he never imagined that the 9 year old comment can be and will be taken so negatively. In our part of the world, being compared to a child is implying that you are stupid. What Law tried to say is that, he is a father and a teacher in his personal life as well, and understands how the real learning comes from within when there is self motivation rather than the teacher trying to force you to learn. someone get me a face palm picture. :p

[LBW103]

lol! culture shock right here for Mr. Law. I'm sure he never imagined that the 9 year old comment can be and will be taken so negatively. In our part of the world, being compared to a child is implying that you are stupid. What Law tried to say is that, he is a father and a teacher in his personal life as well, and understands how the real learning comes from within when there is self motivation rather than the teacher trying to force you to learn. someone get me a face palm picture. :p

"I like to observe (the players) rather than sit down and tell them what to do (coach them). I have a 9-year-old son and he doesn't like to do what I tell him either..... it's not about what I want, it's about what they want."

I don't know many 9 year olds who are allowed to do exactly what they want. They would certainly turn out to be a very spoilt child!

The second issue is he is here to coach them........that is his job. To say you are not going to explain to the players what they have to do to improve, is amazing.

Read the statement again. It gets worse each time. I thought we wanted a leader, not follower.

[BANFAN]

"I like to observe (the players) rather than sit down and tell them what to do (coach them). I have a 9-year-old son and he doesn't like to do what I tell him either..... it's not about what I want, it's about what they want."

I don't know many 9 year olds who are allowed to do exactly what they want. They would certainly turn out to be a very spoilt child!

The second issue is he is here to coach them........that is his job. To say you are not going to explain to the players what they have to do to improve, is amazing.

Read the statement again. It gets worse each time. I thought we wanted a leader, not follower.

That always happens with subjects that we don't know. You can assume any meaning that your mind wants.

You have to first know what is PEDAGOGY AND ANDRAGOGY. If you really want to understand what he said.

He defined his approach as a coach in his above statement, he means he will be following a learner focussed training system (Andragogy) as opposed to trainer focussed (pedagogy). Andragogy is for all ages, but specially advocated for adult learning.

My Friend, he has just given a outline of his coaching principles, using an analogy of his son (9 YO) for common people to understand. For God's sake, don't translate everything that you dont understand, to be negative.

He has been appointed, and we need to extend our support untill he proves himself to be worthless after a reasonable time.

[Isnaad]

I was expecting similiar sort of lines from him. Well, lets see what good he can do for our team now. All the best to him :)

[LBW103]

That always happens with subjects that we don't know. You can assume any meaning that your mind wants.

You have to first know what is PEDAGOGY AND ANDRAGOGY. If you really want to understand what he said.

He defined his approach as a coach in his above statement, he means he will be following a learner focussed training system (Andragogy) as opposed to trainer focussed (pedagogy). Andragogy is for all ages, but specially advocated for adult learning.

My Friend, he has just given a outline of his coaching principles, using an analogy of his son (9 YO) for common people to understand. For God's sake, don't translate everything that you dont understand, to be negative.

He has been appointed, and we need to extend our support untill he proves himself to be worthless after a reasonable time.

:floor: It appears to be you that is now over analysing.. hahahahahaha

We all get analogies. It's just he could have used a far better one than comparing the players to a simply minded child who gets his way because his dad cannot control him and just gives him what he wants.

Of course you can 'twist' anything to suit your view. BUT.... for the last time... using a 9 year old (Simple, childish, not developed, unable to grasp facts well, etc etc etc) as the EXAMPLE of teaching your new cricket players, is a little stupid. I think even you, as Stuart Law convert, will concede THAT.

We all KNOW what he was TRYING to say, but it was just not well thought through. Why couldn't he have just said: "Other coaches have found success by allowing the players to be involved in decision making. I feel this is the way forward for a developing cricket nation like Bangladesh"

Anyway, we have completely exhausted this 9 year old child subject save for one thing. For both new coaches to use phrases about BD players being lazy and treating them as they might a 9 year old, we have the first idea of how they think ABOUT the squad. Whilst that might be true to say in private, it is a strange thing to say in your first meeting with the media. Law probably doesn't realise what he has said as some here don't either. Yet often we reveal what we really think in the most innocent of comments - it's called 'verbal leakage' and often shows the genuine thoughts behind the sentiment.

Let's hope he makes a far better start with his actual coaching skills. I desperately want the coaching staff to grab the team and shake it up, not let it do what it wants. The players have had it too easy, so this 'do what you want' approach is not the way to coach the team that is ill-disciplined.

[BANFAN]

............
Let's hope he makes a far better start with his actual coaching skills. I desperately want the coaching staff to grab the team and shake it up, not let it do what it wants. The players have had it too easy, so this 'do what you want' approach is not the way to coach the team that is ill-disciplined.

It was not over analyzing, I thought it was necessary for you.

Letting the players what they want to do means, allowing the players to go by their natural abilities/instincts. His job is to perfect the natural abilities.

You know, when people can't find out what's the actual reason/cause/problem, they shake up everything and in the process also destroys the good things the team has. So.. NO, shake up doesnt work, it didnt work with Jamie as well. Coach needs to understand each players abilities and perfect them as much as possible. So... I think he is verymuch on track.

[LBW103]

It was not over analyzing, I thought it was necessary for you.

Letting the players what they want to do means, allowing the players to go by their natural abilities/instincts. His job is to perfect the natural abilities.

You know, when people can't find out what's the actual reason/cause/problem, they shake up everything and in the process also destroys the good things the team has. So.. NO, shake up doesnt work, it didnt work with Jamie as well. Coach needs to understand each players abilities and perfect them as much as possible. So... I think he is verymuch on track.

Well Siddons wasn't much of a disciplinarian as he let Shakib and Tamim run the show. Siddons was simply stuck on a formula that just didn't work. This doesn't make him a disciplinarian. He spent a huge amount of time coaching (Shak and Tam rate him as a great batting coach) and he wasn't simply an 'observer' as Law says he is and even admits he is an inexperienced coach.

Most people on here wanted a strong leader who could guide and mentor the players, many of whom would simply not do half the work they should if they are allowed to do what they want. Giving the 'keys to the candy store' to the players is a somewhat dangerous game because the assumption is the players know best. I think we ALL know on here that the players do not know best and their professionalism has been severely lacking at times.

If Law's approach of non-intervention, hands off, do what you want and I will follow STYLE of leadership(?) takes BD up the rankings then I will genuinely be the first person on here to say well done. I mean that. I hope I have to come back and say well done. If letting the guys arrive when they want, skip training, do as they please and not be coached because they don't want to be told what to do, actually WORKS, then it will be the most amazing thing.

The likes of Tom Moody, Mick Newell, David Nosworthy were thought to be a good choice for Head Coach because they were tough fellows who could whip the team into shape. That's because Siddons, for all his bluster, let SAH and TIK run the show and wasn't strong enough to drive through changes and lost the board because he just argued the whole time.

Law has arrived and made a statement of intent that has no intent. The analogy was just symptomatic of his thought processes about leaving the guys to do as they want. It wasn't about natural ability. He could have said just that, but he didn't. To suggest he used a 9 year old example so the media could 'understand' what he was saying is massively disingenuous and patronizing. Coaches who don't actually know how to coach or how to approach things always say, I am here just to look. They also say I am not here to tell people how to do their job... NEWS FLASH.... the coach is there to coach and tell people how to play the game like world class internationals. This is what is so galling. No mention of anything other than waffle about talent (again) and self belief... things you cannot measure.

Zimbabwe victory in the one-off Test and the 5 ODI's should be a minimum requirement against a team who genuinely can be called a minnow (rather than his own team) by Law.

Law's statement has left me stone cold and massively disappointed as I wanted a coach with guts and some idea of glory. First opportunity lost.

[Trigger_Tiger]

[edit] A coach who has not done any homework on the players or team and who has no passion for the role? This already has disaster written all over it.

It is always dark before dawn!

Give him some time. He knows the players who are worth knowing. And hey, don't be blaming him, take it out on BCB :)!

[thebest]

23 average does not indicate Ash has talent. That is pure B*********** that he has talent. He could play some extravagent shot and believe me if I have so many chance I could also. and regarding Bangladesh has talent I am hearing that since 2000. So I do not give a damn until it translated into result

[Banglaguy]

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[BANFAN]

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[Banglaguy]

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[lamisa]

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[Banglaguy]

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[AsifTheManRahman]

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[Banglaguy]

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[Night_wolf]

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[BANFAN]

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[Banglaguy]

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[lamisa]

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