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James90
February 24, 2004, 07:20 AM
After Zimbabwe test-Batting
Bashar drops 5 places to 32
Sarker drops 7 places to 65
Rajin climbs 13 places to 66 (Career Best)
Ashraful climbs 13 places to 73
Mashud climbs 6 places to 87 (Career best)
Mushfiqur climbs 10 places to 107 (Career Best)

James90
February 24, 2004, 07:23 AM
Rafique jumps 2 places to 23!!! (Career best)
Tapash jumps 7 places to 62 (Career best)
Manjural drops 2 places to 68
Mushfiqur jumps 10 places to 90 (Career best)

James90
February 24, 2004, 07:33 AM
22nd in the bowlers ratings is Raymond Price - 3 points ahead of Rafique

If the Bangladeshis get after his then Rafique could be regarded as the best left arm spinner in the world! He's ranked higher than Giles and Vettori.

fy288
February 24, 2004, 07:42 AM
Rafique is Bangladeshis best player who consistently performs, i personally wanted him tp be captain, but it was obvious Watmore and the others wanted Bashar, hopefull his form picks up.

Bangladesh should try to not over use Rafique otherwise he becomes ineffective.

Bangladesh batsmen should target Price!! I agree with that.

fwullah
February 24, 2004, 10:16 AM
who consistently performs


He doesn't perform consistently, only when he is in form, like now.

Rubu
February 24, 2004, 10:30 AM
Did any tiger before went that up? i believe 23 is the hightest rating any bangladeshi ever had. in batting and in bowling. true?

Zunaid
February 24, 2004, 10:33 AM
I would see Rafique has been remarkably consistent. I am only looking at his Test record, where he fits best.


(6 ball overs) Mat O R W BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10

overall 9 467.5 1180 42 6/77 7/116 28.09 2.52 66.8 3 0

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O M R W Econ I R Match

51 12 117 3 2.29 2 L Only Test v Ind in BD 2000/01 at Dhaka [1512]
2 0 3 0 1.50 4
23 2 85 0 3.70 1 L 1st Test v SA in SA 2002/03 at East London [1619]
37.2 7 77 6 2.06 1 L 2nd Test v SA in BD 2003 at Dhaka [1642]
32 9 76 3 2.38 2 L 1st Test v Pak in Pak 2003 at Karachi [1655]
26 6 61 2 2.35 4
45 13 118 5 2.62 2 L 2nd Test v Pak in Pak 2003 at Peshawar [1657]
12 2 34 0 2.83 4
17.4 7 36 5 2.04 2 L 3rd Test v Pak in Pak 2003 at Multan [1658]
30 6 80 2 2.67 4
35.3 9 84 3 2.37 2 L 1st Test v Eng in BD 2003/04 at Dhaka [1665]
13.2 0 57 2 4.28 4
37 15 63 2 1.70 1 L 2nd Test v Eng in BD 2003/04 at Chittagong [1667]
29 3 106 3 3.66 3
57 11 121 4 2.12 1 L 1st Test v Zim in Zim 2003/04 at Harare [1683]
20 3 62 2 3.10 3

Ahmed_B
February 24, 2004, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by James90
Rafique jumps 2 places to 23!!! (Career best)

in the Harare Match Rafiq was being rated(in the career record shown by Espn) as "world ranking:6"
n here it shows 23. wht r the sources for these two?

[Edited on 24-2-2004 by crickethorizon]

Rubu
February 24, 2004, 12:02 PM
in prothom ali, few days ago, there was some lines like, rafiq, the closed match of kapil dev, from the opposite way, in terms of spinning balls............
i'm a bit lost here. if rafiq can't spin ball. what makes him so good? what is his speciallity? i'm feeling nieve about this. can anyone explain?

rafiq
February 24, 2004, 12:16 PM
lost you on the last post. who says rafique cannot spin? he does use an arm ball occasionally, which is a straighter delivery

Rubu
February 24, 2004, 12:51 PM
i missed the name, but that doesn't change anything. check out this article on protom alo.

http://www.prothom-alo.net/newhtmlnews1/category.php?CategoryID=1&Date=2004-02-20&filename=20h4

was the reporter high on something then?
if case the link doesnot work its on feb 20th, "dui spinner-er lorai hobay ati"

rafiq
February 24, 2004, 01:11 PM
the reporter wasn't high on anything. he wrote that the wicket might turn at the end and it will come down to the two left handed spinners - price vs rafique. He also called out Kumble and Rafique as the leading turners of the ball, one is right handed and the other left handed (from opposite ends) - and early indications are that the ball will turn a lot so with bashar losing the toss this could pose a problem in BD's second innings.

adnan
February 24, 2004, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by fwullah

who consistently performs


He doesn't perform consistently, only when he is in form, like now.

Rafiq is the best and most consistent player ever in BD cricket history.

Zephaniah
February 24, 2004, 02:25 PM
I would say Rafiq is inconsistent, only if i'm blind. I'd love to know with his limited capability how he managed to take so many wickets consistantly (only in 9 tests!).

[Edited on 24-2-2004 by Zephaniah]

billah
February 24, 2004, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by AgentSmith
in prothom ali, few days ago, there was some lines like, rafiq, the closed match of kapil dev, from the opposite way, in terms of spinning balls............
i'm a bit lost here. if rafiq can't spin ball. what makes him so good? what is his speciallity? i'm feeling nieve about this. can anyone explain?

Agent Smith: It is well-known that Rafique gets most of his wickets using the arm-ball. His specialty is in mixing the straighter one among the spin ones. It's a little faster, straighter, at times with flight. A pleasure to watch. By the way, his record against India's top notch batsmen is better than that of Shane Warne's, as surprising as it may be.

Rubu
February 24, 2004, 03:10 PM
once again, thanks billah. it was useful. i think that the right explanation. and confused about the report. what he really meant by opposite? right, left...do'nt know. anyway. its nice to see someone standing tall in our team.

Zobair
February 24, 2004, 03:48 PM
only if Rafique manages to rip through Zim attack (taking an average of 4 wickets an innings, assuming Zim needs both innings). Go Rafique! GO TIGER! you can do it.

billah
February 24, 2004, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by AgentSmith
once again, thanks billah. it was useful. i think that the right explanation. and confused about the report. what he really meant by opposite? right, left...do'nt know. anyway. its nice to see someone standing tall in our team.

Agentsmith: A "Leg Break Googly" thrown by right hand bowler (Kumble) acts very much like an offspin. It's effective, because the good leg spinner can hide it well. The pitch comes directly at your middle stump, where the batsman expects the ball to move away from him.

A left-arm-orthodox from a left-hander (Rafiq) pitches like the above, but actually moves away from the batsman. Both these deliveries can be made to look like regular offspins. They move away in opposite directions in this case.

Now, bowl against Rafique. You are a right handed batsman, for example. Deliveries 1 to 4 pitch on the off, they move away from you. Now, the 5th one, pitches at the same spot, then comes to you much straighter, considerably faster. Rifiq manages to do this without changing his bowling stance. You may be caught, bowled or lbw defending this one unexpectedly. If you are anticipating this delivery from the beginning of his over, you won't get runs easily. I think, that is why he is very economical, even when he does not get wickets.

I don't think this bowling works very well in ODIs for him. You see, you are willing to take a lot more risks here. So, you swing at these otherwise "leg spins" falling at the wrong spot all day. Rafiq is not as good in ODIs. This may surprise you, but,even Khaled Mahmud's stats are better than Rafiq's in ODIs. They both have the same number of ODI wickets, but his come at a substantially higher cost. Cheers.;)

WIFAN
February 25, 2004, 08:21 PM
Bangladesh's attack is better then ours, even if it hurts me to say it.

Thank goodness are batting is still excellent, or you would be a better test nation than us. Your fielding is also better than ours too!

AsifTheManRahman
February 25, 2004, 08:30 PM
Wifan where are u from?

WIFAN
February 26, 2004, 12:43 PM
Trinidad, West Indies, but am now living in the UK.

FaltuRidwanBhai
February 27, 2004, 12:57 AM
shobcheye kintu mojar bishoy sheta hochhe jai cricket board kintu bolechilo je rafiq akjon one day plaer. test khelar manoshikota kintu tar moddhe nai. kintu sheti kintu shompurno bhool proman korlen shai rafiq. borong test a tar performance kintu bolar moton ebong dekhar moton. asha korbo porobortite board ebhabe kono playerke rule out kore dibe na. dannabad.

billah
February 27, 2004, 01:18 AM
You said it, Falturidwanbhai. The board regularly played Enamul instead of Rafiq. Although, Rafiq went through a self-defining period for a while. They used to cut him after every bad performance. There was a time, when it was hard to find him in any two back to back games. Someone there may not have liked him very much.

[Edited on 27-2-2004 by billah]