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rafiq
February 26, 2004, 02:27 PM
Is there any news on whether Sujon will join the Zim tour for the one dayers? With all due respect to Arafat Rahman and the other visionaries crowding Bangladeshi cricket, bringing Sujon back is unnecessary in this squad. Who would you drop to make room - Rana or Mushfiq? I hope the coach and selectors put their foot down.

[Edited on 26-2-2004 by rafiq]

Mahmood
February 26, 2004, 02:29 PM
Yes, Sujon will join the team right after the test. He is going through Dubai to Zimbabue. I dont remmember where, but I read all about it in last 2 days.

reverse_swing
February 26, 2004, 02:31 PM
Sujon left Dhaka yesterday

Optimist
February 26, 2004, 08:55 PM
Only if Mushfique needs a rest, then we can give him a match!

sheshprohor
February 26, 2004, 09:01 PM
hee hee :lol:

That's the another way to give gift of retirement, a free zim trip for one.


Prohor

Rubu
February 26, 2004, 09:29 PM
really, are we just flying him to zim to make him 12th man? i mean who else we can replace to give him a match?
still, i think we should give him at least one match just so that after the match he can formally retire. have can have a news conference before saying 'this is my last match'.
his form is no good, but we can't deny his contrubution to rebuild a damaged team after WC.

Pundit
February 26, 2004, 10:50 PM
Sujon is back in the team ??? OMG !!

Let the world stop spinning, and oooh oooh lets all call a hartal in Dhaka ?? At least then I'll have something better to do while rain still dominates the 2nd test !!

Beamer
February 26, 2004, 10:58 PM
WHY!!
Does he have no shame! Nobody wants you dude! take a f.....hike. This shujon character ..I am getting tired of hearing his name.

rafiq
February 26, 2004, 11:20 PM
Agent Smith: you make a good suggestion. I hope Sujon takes that exit. But it seems that he may not and this charade will continue. And of course with politicians taking an interest in him, he may have no choice but keep on playing!!

I guess they will send back Monir, maybe Monju to make room. Is anyone else coming over as well?

fwullah
February 26, 2004, 11:36 PM
I don't see why Rokon went with the team. I also can't get it why all Australians (Chappell, and now Whatmore) likes Rokon.

May be Rokon is the 2nd man to be sent back? If not, then he will probably be the 12th man in all the 5 ODI games, that is, if the One Day games are played at all.

inspyr9
February 27, 2004, 12:03 AM
shujon is not that bad. at least he takes wickets and I think he knows when to bring which bowler. I am just saying there are some good things about him

FaltuRidwanBhai
February 27, 2004, 12:15 AM
jaihok,
shujon hoito ai muhurte kharap form a ache. eta kintu ami oshhikar korbo na. but sumon is definitely a good player. i dont think we should forget his performance in the last one day that we won against pakistan. sujon has good captaincy skills. most of all he has a very good and healthy relationship with all the players in the team. so i dont think why people should have to be so surprised about his come back. there is certainly some positive side to him. if not then why was he in the team for so long? he is a attacking middle order batsman who is able to boost the run rate. well unfortunately he was out of form for the last couple of months and he was under intense pressure which is one of the reasons why i think he performed even badly. i think as supporters that is not a good approach. we should always encourage our players and not move back from them when they are lost.

Rubu
February 27, 2004, 01:02 AM
welcomeback falturidwan vai, anyway, i think people has problem with sujon because he is out of form now and its costly to keep someone in team without form (as bad as sujons form). personally, i'm a fan of sujon but still don't like him to play in the team now, because it will be just a waste of the position. if he can prove himself, he can certainly come back. but considering his age, i don't think thats possible. and thats why i want him to retire now. see, if he keeps playing he'll loose the remnant of sympathy he gets. bangladeshi cricket owe him, no doubt, but every good player has to retire somedays. and he has to accept that.

[Edited on 27-2-2004 by AgentSmith]

billah
February 27, 2004, 01:23 AM
Specially the bad players have to retire now. Mahmud already blew his first chance to bow out gracefully.

tensionEaachi
February 27, 2004, 01:45 AM
I like this guy... Give him a break! one of the few players who tries to give out all they have! Name one player in the team gives more than their abilities!! I think that where Sujon stands out. anyway...

We might have a diff. scenario in our team now but we shouldn't demolish him like that!

reinausagi
February 27, 2004, 02:02 AM
I have no idea what it will take to close the chapter on Al Shariar Rokon and Khaled Mahmud's representative careers. The latter, has definately engineered the greatest comeback since Lazurus.

What is the point of flying Khaled Mahmud in to Zimbabwe? Can't we get someone else to bring tea and drinks out to the field?

Mushfique, Kapali and Rana are all better suited to fill in the spot Mahmud would arguably 'take up' in the ODI squad.

fy288
February 27, 2004, 07:30 AM
Bangladesh should not select Mahmud, he brings nothing to the team apart from the drinks if he is chosen as 12th in ODI in Zimbabwe.

There must be at 50 better bangladeshi players in domestic league better than him, they should be found, coz they r there.:info:

SS
February 27, 2004, 07:40 AM
it's better to choose alok than Mahmud..and who knows i think one day will also wash away due to rain...if it does it might be limited over match and we need pintch hitter and an effective bowler who can ball atleast 5 overs very nicely!!

fy288
February 27, 2004, 07:46 AM
Even though Alok is out of form, i would chose him ahead of Mahmud. I bet Mahmud thinks just coz he reversed his decision to quit international cricket, he will probably get a game.

He may play 1 of the 5 ODIs, weather permitting, but then Watmore will see he is rubbish and drop him again.

oracle
February 27, 2004, 07:50 AM
Curious to know if he will improve as the burden of captaincy has been removed. I don't know the statistics for ex BD captains but why do some recover form while for others there is no difference.

rafiq
February 27, 2004, 07:50 AM
those of you who think sujon has been out of form for 2 months, please pore through scorecards- you will find the last time he was "in form" was before he became captain. he has had one or two good bowling performances in pakistan, but mostly his good performances were pre-world cup. he has not had a good score in a couple of years, maybe one score in the 40s in both versions?

He did well with the team and bowler rotation (although that is always relative), and he is not a quitter. But he takes up a position on the team that could be filled with a better allrounder or a genuine bowler. Until he was removed, bangladesh were playing with 10 players and a captain.

Nobody hates sujon, everyone wants every player to do well. While the rest can be dropped if needed, you can't drop the captain (now the same problem with Sumon?). As a player, there are 11 other bangladeshis who are more capable.

fy288
February 27, 2004, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by oracle
Curious to know if he will improve as the burden of captaincy has been removed. I don't know the statistics for ex BD captains but why do some recover form while for others there is no difference.

THE ONLY burden mahmud has is that excess weight, u got to admit ihe is kinda chubby!!!:P

FaltuRidwanBhai
February 27, 2004, 12:54 PM
jaihok,
weight oboshhoi akta factor ami bolbo. but i dont think that is his main reason why he is doing bad. if weight was the main criteria for cricket then i dont think that inzamam would have been able to go this far. fitness is the main problem. and maybe that might be mahmuds problem although he claims that he is more fit than ever now than he was before.

Beamer
February 27, 2004, 01:15 PM
Weight is not a factor at all. He doesn't have the ability. Pure and simple. Alok on the other hand , even during this badpatch, reamins one of our better one day players. His avg, strike rate are all pretty decent compared to other players in the team. Plus, he bats at number 5 or 6 in ODI, a very very crucial spot. We have to find a way to put Alok in the one day team. If that means dropping hannan and opening with Ashraful, so be it. Mahmud will only upset the best possible team. If he truely believes that he wants the best for the country, he should retire and make the decision easier for everybody. kintu na..he believes he still is good player. someone hit him up the head and wake him up..

fais
February 27, 2004, 02:03 PM
sujon is most definitely a good player and I believe his captaincy is the main cause that he achieved so bad during the past few months just like sumon has been starting to achieve so bad after getting captaincy. sujon is a respectable player and before we all start throwing eggs at him we should at least give him one more chance to redeem himself as a good player by giving him a chance to play at least 1 or even 2 ODIs out of the 5

Rubu
February 27, 2004, 02:15 PM
I don't have problem with giving him a odi, but the biggest problem is who that could be? In a team, right now, where a player like alok is out of squad (probably for odi too) whom do u wanna cut off to give sujon a chance?

fais
February 27, 2004, 03:56 PM
how about mushfiq

Optimist
February 27, 2004, 04:06 PM
Why would you drop Mushfique if he had not played badly?

fais
February 27, 2004, 04:09 PM
well he has done all that brilliantly either. good but not brilliant. so we might give our former all-rounder captain a chance. he might just prove himself to be useful

Mahmood
February 27, 2004, 04:25 PM
Ash
Bidyut
Sumon
Rajin
Sujon
Mushfiq
Rana
Pilot
Rafiq
Taposh
Tarek

However, this mean Alok will be dropped which I am totally against. Alok is our best ODI batsman.

[Edited on 27-2-2004 by Rajputro]

FaltuRidwanBhai
February 27, 2004, 04:27 PM
jaihok,
akta kotha kintu ami bolte chai je experiment korte gele kintu bhalo na hoye ulta aro beshi kharap hote pare. shujon ke amaro bhalo lage. but the thing is there is no one in the team right now with whom he can be replaced unfortunately. thus mushfiqke khamakha bad dewar kintu ami akhono kono karon dekhina. karon mushfiq kintu khub akta kharap khelche na. after all ami kintu bolbo je mushfiq is pretty consistant comparing to other players in the team.

fais
February 27, 2004, 05:44 PM
without sounding too pessimistic... we are going to lose most of the ODIs if not all of them so why not experiment and see somehow ( and i dont know how) if we can win with different combinations of our best players and i do believe that sujon is one of them

Piranha
February 27, 2004, 06:02 PM
I have a feeling he wont be picked even after he joins the squad.

If he is picked that will be a disaster! Droping alok for him makes no sense. Dropping Mushfique seems to be the least terrible option.

I too liked Mahmud for his spirit and I was hoping they would keep him around for just a while longer hoping that his performances might turn around. But after the antics after his axing from the squad I have lost all respect for him. I hope he gets no where near that final 11.

In any case, its a waste of a ticket to Zimbabwe

Optimist
February 27, 2004, 10:05 PM
well he has done all that brilliantly either. good but not brilliant. so we might give our former all-rounder captain a chance. he might just prove himself to be useful

What a logic!

[Edited on 28-2-2004 by Optimist]

rafiq
February 28, 2004, 01:09 AM
Sujon's remaining usefulness seems to be to generate useless posts from all of us. Since he is going to Zim, I am sure he will get in a match or two later in the series. It doesn't even matter who gets dropped, more than likely it will have to be rana or mushfiq from the odi team - maybe alok and sujon can replace them for the odis and that will satify the budding scientists among us who want experiments.

fais, it seems that all the arguments repeated countless times have no bearing on your belief that Sujon is one of the best players around (paraphrasing you loosely) - it seems that you have either not watched him play much in the last couple of years or simply refuse to believe what most people think is obvious.

chinaman
February 28, 2004, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by rafiq
Sujon's remaining usefulness seems to be to generate useless posts from all of us.

Doesn't go any better than this. Rafiq, you go boy.

Ahmed_B
February 28, 2004, 10:24 AM
now here's a better option for everyone to think about:

we got 5 ODI's ahead
alok, sujon, mushfiq & rana just might be altered through the series for experiments.
even with that.. sujon doesnt get more than 2 ODIs to play!
wonder wht's in DAV's mind !

fais
February 28, 2004, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by Optimist
well he has done all that brilliantly either. good but not brilliant. so we might give our former all-rounder captain a chance. he might just prove himself to be useful

What a logic!

[Edited on 28-2-2004 by Optimist]

Dear Optimist,

There seems to be one too many typing mistakes in that. I meant, "well he hasn't done all that brilliantly either. he might have done good in parts here and there but not brilliant so it is worth throwing him out to experiment with sujon who has proven through his career can be a match winner.

fais
February 28, 2004, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by rafiq
fais, it seems that all the arguments repeated countless times have no bearing on your belief that Sujon is one of the best players around (paraphrasing you loosely) - it seems that you have either not watched him play much in the last couple of years or simply refuse to believe what most people think is obvious.

I just believe that he deserves one more chance before we discard him

babon
February 28, 2004, 11:17 AM
even 40 ta match pore sujon ekta bhalo match khellao take team e rakha dorkar.amader last time one day victory er man of the match chilo sujon jeta 4 yrs age, er moddhay to onek bhalo bhalo player(so called) khello, performance koi tader????amader sobcheye close test match er bhalo pefomer o kintu sujon chilo???bd ai team er koto jon bowler er(specialist) bowling avg sujon er theke kom?? specialist batsmander o avg ki khub bhalo? consistancy er obostha nai bollam, at least sujon thakle sumon consistant thakto, ekhon to mone hoy tao gelo!!!!!!!!!comments!!!!!

Navarene
February 28, 2004, 11:34 AM
Babon, khub bhalo jukti!

Even though I'm against the inclusion of Sujon, but the question is whether any player of Sujon's slot would do something better than him. They seem to be all the same.

Carte Blanche
February 28, 2004, 04:44 PM
Yeah, some very good points there. But I guess at the end, it all boils down to "who would be deprived of a spot for us to include sujon". What type of cricketer Sujon brands himself as? Allrounder. Alright. Lets look at the other allrounders in the current team.

Rana: He has shown excellent temperament and poise in the 1st test match, averaging 66 with the bat. He has originally been included as a bowler who can bat a bit. So we can expect him to shine with the cherry soon too. He also helped spare our blushes against Zim 'A' and Namibia. He is having heck of a tour. It'd be very very unfair to drop him. Besides it was Dav who wanted him in the squad in both the tests, although media reports suggest Athar and some other selector were in favour of Alok.

Mushfiq: Another good all-rounder in the making. Very tidy one-day bowler. I used to think he is more of an ODI material, but he has had a few good knocks in the test arena to prove me wrong. I recall many of you fantasy gamers regretting not having Mushfiq in the team in the recent past. As the ODIs await us, it'd be simply stupid to drop him off. Those of you who watched our ODIs against PAK last fall, you all should remember Mushfiq's tidy line and length restricting the Pakistani batsmen, including the likes of Inzi and Youhana who happen to be much better batters than the Zimbo line-up altogether. As a reward for his containing bowling, he picked up a good couple of wickets here and there too. He also had a better series against the pommies compared to the other allrounders in the team, which includes Mr. Mahmud too.

Kapali: Alok's having a real bad patch. He showed us some sparkles of good batting in the 1st innings against England where he whacked a few boundaries, only to irresponsibly throw it away. But then again its the hallmark of our batsmen, so one might forgive him for that innings given his immense potential and skills. Sadly, his bat has remained alarmingly quiet ever since. He is one of the few big hitting batsmen we've ever had. Someone with the ability to smash big sixes, and up the run-rate when we need it. His 70 odd (if I remember correctly) knock against PAK in the 5th ODI back in last fall was a very good innings. He had an invaluable partnership with Rajin Saleh which harboured us to a respectable total in reply to Pakistan's mammoth 300+ score. Sujon's days are almost over. He did pick up a few wickets against PAK in the ODIs. But he shouldn't brag about wickets he gets in the penultimate over of the innings where the batsmen try to hit him out of the ground for every ball, and eventually miss-hit one, and hole out in the boundary. On the other hand, Alok's legbreaks are underused, and under-rated. He has had a hattrick. My jaws dropped in amazement when I read the newspaper which reported his last 2 hatrick delilveries to be flippers. I kept wondering, since when do Bangladeshi bowlers bowl flippers? Anyway, he is no Shane Warne, but with more match experiences he will be a handy trump in future.

These three are all good prospects for our future. All very young, and extremely talented. Letting Sujon play will only deprive one of these youngsters of a well deserved spot from the team which they rightfully earned.

As rafiq mentioned, babbling about this Sujon issue is very pointless, and useless. Since boredom has had the better of me on a lousy, snowy saturday afternoon, I had to do write a few anti-sujon lines. :)

Cheers everybody!

Navarene
February 28, 2004, 04:53 PM
Carte Blanche, a well put thoughts, very analytical. With a bit of edition it can easily be on the front page.

Yes, I also don't find anyone to replace for Sujon.

Carte Blanche
February 28, 2004, 05:10 PM
Thank you Nav. I didn't try to write an article or something, I was busy playing that game I posted in another thread, and wrote a few lines in between. :)

Rubu
February 28, 2004, 05:22 PM
:umm:
I'd agree to take sujon in team with only one condition. he'll formally declear to retire. he did a good job in the past in serving the team. and i'd like to remember him with honor. but truly, there is no position for him in the team now.

Optimist
February 28, 2004, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by babon
even 40 ta match pore sujon ekta bhalo match khellao take team e rakha dorkar.amader last time one day victory er man of the match chilo sujon jeta 4 yrs age, er moddhay to onek bhalo bhalo player(so called) khello, performance koi tader????amader sobcheye close test match er bhalo pefomer o kintu sujon chilo???bd ai team er koto jon bowler er(specialist) bowling avg sujon er theke kom?? specialist batsmander o avg ki khub bhalo? consistancy er obostha nai bollam, at least sujon thakle sumon consistant thakto, ekhon to mone hoy tao gelo!!!!!!!!!comments!!!!!

Why don't we bring back Minhazul Abedin? He was the man of the match against Scotland! Why don't we open the batting with Rafique every match? He opened and scored those quick 77 which won us the match against Kenya! Why not make Durjoy the captain again? Manjurul Islam took 6 wickets in an innings under him,now he appers to struggle to take even a single wicket!

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