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Shafi
March 8, 2004, 12:01 AM
What do you think?
1947 July 4th: Roswell, New Mexico

This case has had probably the most attention of any other case in the history of UFOLOGY.

However, the case remained buried for nearly 30 years before, slowly the code of silence was broken
which allowed researchers to start uncovering the truth. Obviously I can only give a fraction of the account,
on this Web Site but I hope it will contain enough info for both the experienced and the beginner.
People interested in this case should read some of the many great books, particularly the ones by Kevin Randle.

The data will be presented in timeline form:

Tuesday, July 1st 1947 A strange object is detected on the radar scopes at Roswell, White Sands and Alamogordo.
Its tremendous speed and erratic motion indicated that it is neither a plane or a meteorite.

Wednesday, July 2, 1947 An oval object is spotted by Mr. and Mrs. Dan Wilmot as it passes over their house
in Roswell.

Thursday, July 3, 1947 Radar operator Steve MacKenzie is sent to White Sands to track the object 24 hours a day.

Friday, July 4, 1947 Warrant Officer Robert Thomas and a team of men arrive from Washington to co-ordinate to
operation of tracking and possible retrieval. Mac Brazel as well as others report hearing a tremendous explosion.
William Woody and his father observe a flaming object fall to earth north of Roswell. Jim Ragsdale and Trudy Truelove
observe a bright light crash near to their campsite. The object which has been tracked on radar for 3 days suddenly
disappears. The retrieval team assemble and start heading for the calculated crash site.

Saturday, July 5, 1947 A sheepherder finds the remains of a crashed saucer but does not report this until many years later.
A group of Archaeologists also find the crashed object. The phone Sheriff George Wilcox thinking it is some from of
crashed aircraft. Wilcox then inform the local fire department who arrive at the scene shortly afterwards.
The special retrieval team locates the crashed craft, takes the names of all the civilians on site and the escorts them away.
The site is cleaned and secured within 6 hours and 5 bodies are removed. Mac Brazil finds strange debris in his field.
The debris consists of strange foil like substance, balsawood like beams and a strange sort of 'string'. None of Brazels sheep
will go anywhere near the debris. Lydia Sleppy a reporter for KSWS tries to send the first 'unconfirmed' reports of the crash
over the teletype. The message is intercepted by the FBI who order her to cease transmission.
Melvin Brown who was one of the guards in the truck transporting the bodies claims that they were small with large heads
and that their skin was an orange/yellow colour. Glenn Dennis is called by the Roswell mortuary officer and is asked
several questions relating to preserving bodies, making small caskets, and how to treat bodies that had been exposed to the sun.
Dennis is later summoned to the base to treat an injured pilot, while he is there is sees several ambulances and some wreckage.
Dennis is then threatened by two officers who warn him not to report anything he has witnessed.
Mac Brazel returns to the debris site and picks up some the stuff and takes it to his neighbours, Floyd and Loretta Proctor.
They suggest that he informs the Sheriff.

Sunday, July 6, 1947 Brazel drives 75 miles into Roswell and shows some of the debris
to Sheriff Wilcox who in turn informs the Military. Wilcox then also send two of his
deputies to the ranch. William Woody and his father try to get close to the site where
they saw the strange object crash.
However they are stopped by a heavy military presence who refuse them entry.
Colonel William Blanchard commanding officer of the 509th Bomb Group sends
Jesse A. Marcel out to the Sheriffs office to investigate the reported debris.
Marcel meets with Brazel and after seeing the debris decides to go out to the
debris field. He is accompanied by Captain Sheridan Cavitt and Mac Brazel.
Blanchard then orders that all debris at the Sheriffs office be sealed and flown to
Fort Worth Army Air field where it is given to Colonel Thomas DuBose.
Marcel and Cavitt arrive too late at night to see the debris field so they spend the
night with Brazel and his family.
They also get a chance to observe some of the debris that Brazel had brought back
with them. Neither of them had seen anything like it.
It would not burn or scratch, yet when held in the hand it felt weightless.
Several pieces of the foil like substance when crumpled in a ball would return
to its original shape when released.

Monday, July 7, 1947 Some of the debris and bodies from the main crash site are sent to Andrews AAF. Brazel, Marcel
and Cavitt arrive at the debris field. It is three-quarters of a mile long and three hundred feet wide.
They spend the day loading as much of the debris as possible into Marcel's car and then drive back to Roswell.
General Nathan Twining, Air Material Command commander suddenly changes his current engagements and flies
out to Alamogordo.
Rumours start spreading around the Roswell base that a flying saucer has been retrieved.

Tuesday, July 8, 1947 Marcel decides to show his family some of the debris that he has recovered before the debris
becomes classified. He tells his son that it is parts of a flying saucer. Marcel and Cavitt meet with Colonel Blanchard
to report what they have seen. As a result Blanchard orders that guards be placed around the debris field and to stop
anyone trying to obtain access.
Brazel who spent the previous night at Walt Whitmore's (KGFL radio) house, is interviewed by him and wire-recorded.
Whitmore is then informed from Washington not to air the interview with Brazel.
Brigadier General Roger Ramey orders Blanchard to send Marcel to Fort Worth. Mac Brazel is interviewed by military
personnel. This interview is to last several days. Lieutenant Walter Haut finishes the Press Release that Colonel Blanchard
had authorised. He gives copies to both radio and newspapers. The story is released, and claims that "The Army Air
Forces here today announced that a flying disc had been found".
Within a couple of hours the base is flooded with calls from around the world. Marcel arrives at Fort Worth and meets with
General Ramey. Marcel shows Ramey the debris, who then takes Marcel into the Map room so that he can show him the
location of the debris site.
When Marcel returns the debris that he had brought in was gone, it had been replaced by bits of an old weather balloon.
Ramey then orders that the real wreckage be sent to Wright Field, Dayton. The military clean the debris site back on Brazels
ranch and transport all the debris to Wright Field. A press conference is held in which Warrant Officer Irving Newton
identifies the debris as that of a balloon.
Marcel is ordered not to say anything and Ramey confirms that the men at Roswell had simply made a mistake. Marcel is then
ordered to be photographed with the balloon debris.
Interest in the story dies down due to the fact the debris has been identified as that of a weather balloon.

Wednesday, July 9, 1947 Brazel's field is completely cleaned of debris. The remaining debris is sent to Los Alamos via Kirtland AFB.
Brazel is seen by friends as he is escorted from the Air Force base into town.
They report that he looked very shocked and stressed. Brazel remarks to a friend, Frank Joyce, that he has had to change his story to
protect his family. Haut's press release is confiscated by military personnel. Many ground personnel at Wright Field claim to of seen
strange debris being unloaded from unmarked planes.
Others report seeing bodies at the Andrews AFB. Marcel meets up with Sheridan Cavitt, who now claims that he never went with
Marcel to the debris field on Brazel's ranch.

Thursday, July 10, 1947 Sheriff Wilcox calls on Glenn Dennis's father and informs him that his son is in trouble with the military and
advises him to talk to Glenn to make sure he remains silent. Further balloon explanations are reported in the local papers.

Friday, July 11, 1947 Glenn Dennis tries to contact a nurse who had told him that she had helped in one of the autopsies of the bodies.
However, when he phones the base he is informed that no-one knows where she is.
All military personnel involved in the retrieval and cleanup operation are debriefed and told to forgot that it ever happened.
Military Police start visiting the civilians who were on the site of the main crash, they are warned not to say anything or they and there
families would go missing.

Saturday, July 12, 1947 Mac Brazel's son Bill turns up at the ranch to help out while Mac Brazel is still being held under military guard.

Tuesday, July 15, 1947 Mac Brazel is finally released. All he says is that the military kept asking the same questions over and over again.
Brazel revealed that he had to take an oath never to saw what he saw.

Novemeber 1947 Arthur Exon, a pilot stationed at Wright Field claims that he flew over the crash site and he could still make out the
impact site.

Decemeber 1947 Dr W. Curry Holden and Dr C. Bertrand Schultz attend a meeting in Albuquerque.
They discuss the events in Roswell and Holden tells Schultz that he had seen a 'heel-shaped' craft and the bodies of the alien flight crew.

The Roswell incident remained buried for another 30 years until Jesse Marcel, allowed himself to be interviewed by several researchers
including Leonard Stringfield and Stanton Friedman. Charles Berlitz and William L. Moore release the book 'The Roswell Incident' in
1980 after interviewing more than 70 witnesses. Since the release of this book many other researcher have investigated the case and
many other books have been written.
There have been many hoaxes associated with this case such as the Majestic-12 documents and the now already infamous
'Alien Autopsy Video'. None of these hoaxes helps the serious study of the Roswell case.
The US Government after 40 plus years admitted that the 'weather balloon' story had indeed been a cover story.
However it was not a cover story for a crashed alien spacecraft but that of Project Mogul a secret project the Air Force were undertaking
and that the bodies were those of rhesus monkey's.


[Edited on 8-3-2004 by Shafi]

Mahmood
March 8, 2004, 10:10 AM
When it comes to Aliens, I am a non believer.

oracle
March 8, 2004, 11:07 AM
The creator also has the privelege to keep certain information hidden from Man. I will keep an open mind on this one.

Rubu
March 8, 2004, 05:01 PM
do aliens really exist? can they play test cricket? i'm desprately looking for a team to play against where we can win. bd doesn't seem to win against any test playing country in this earth. we better try the universe.

Piranha
March 8, 2004, 07:40 PM
Sorry mate, even if we did play aliens, ICC would not grant the match test status. Hard luck for us.

Orpheus
March 9, 2004, 06:30 AM
Have you not seen that Hindi Movie?

Damn, I always wanted to make my own food :(

Hasib
March 13, 2004, 04:04 PM
hmmm... try and become a chef;)

AsifTheManRahman
March 13, 2004, 04:13 PM
Of course they do...I am one myself...my parents are from a different solar system...I don't know whether you have heard of the planet Ytfgh...I, however, am a Bangladeshi citizen by birth...

Hasib
March 18, 2004, 03:09 AM
Originally posted by Rajputro
When it comes to Aliens, I am a non believer.

Mankind were Aliens when they landed on the moon... LOL!!!

Yeah yeah I know what you mean...

Electrequiem
March 27, 2009, 05:25 PM
Revamping an old, forgotten thread.

Do you believe in extraterrestrial life?

If you started ascending towards the skies at the speed of light (186,000 miles/second ... just think about that number for a second), it would take 12.5 billion light years (distance light travels in one year) to reach the furthest point in the Universe known to Man. There is more beyond.

In that celestial journey of yours, by the time you would reach the "end," you will have passed at least 500 billion galaxies, each containing trillions of stars (some extraordinarily bigger than our rather simple Sun), and each star having possible hundreds of thousands of planets in its gravitational system.

... and we are just THAT lucky?

I don't think so. There has to be other intelligent beings out there. And if you believe in evolution, some of these beings must have intelligence that we cannot even fathom.

So, in the grand scheme of things, ...
We are not very important. In fact, in the context of this vast, vast, vast Universe, we are shamefully irrelevant.

shaad
March 27, 2009, 07:17 PM
Extraterrestrial life is probably quite common; intelligent extraterrestrial life, probably far less so. Intelligence, after all, is just one of many possible evolutionary strategies for more efficient replication, and not necessarily the end-product/goal/pinnacle of evolution. A bacterium, slime mold or a fungus on earth, for instance, is just as evolved as us, and one can easily imagine planets where intelligence never evolved.

One World
March 27, 2009, 07:22 PM
Good dig Electre. Now the question is where is the seventh layer of the skies, and are not all different prophets supposed to be sitting in each of those layers while they greeted young Rasulullah during his Borak tour.

Religion cannot bind science really or its above science. Is that why Jins were mentioned which might have been an extraterrestrial with sudden appearance in front of a Kaliph in isolated desert deprived of fresh drinking water.

Electrequiem
March 27, 2009, 09:01 PM
One World ... I always thought Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) journey on Burak was not a physical journey, but a metaphysical one. And the point about the Jinns is very intriguing indeed. Its along the lines of the drawings of mysterious beings that appear in ancient drawings, going as far back as the Sumerian civilization.

Shaad bhai ... agreed. Evolution does not "promote" intelligence, but ushers it ifit's presence increases fitness. I also agree when you say the evolution of intelligence elsewhere in the universe is not necessarily a common occurence, but there is a high possibility of occurence nonetheless. With that being said, if life evolved on a different planet before it did on Earth (I am talking about hundreds of millions or billions of years before), and if evolution chose to promote a highly-developed brain in said planet, then that species' intelligence will be far greater than ours, as it would be more evolved. The chances are high that there are at least a handful of such species.

And even a "handful" in the universal context could be mindbogglingly enormous.

Neel Here
March 27, 2009, 09:27 PM
When it comes to Aliens, I am a non believer.

there's one on this board !

while the chances of intelligent self-aware life originating elsewhere are not insignificant, that happening in the same time slice as ours is very bleak indeed !

what are the chances that a space-faring civilization arises elsewhere in the same 100-200 years period the homo sapiens have managed to form a technology based civilization ?

not much, I'm afraid.

Electrequiem
March 27, 2009, 09:32 PM
there's one on this board !

while the chances of intelligent self-aware life originating elsewhere are not insignificant, that happening in the same time slice as ours is very bleak indeed !

what are the chances that a space-faring civilization arises elsewhere in the same 100-200 years period the homo sapiens have managed to form a technology based civilization ?

not much, I'm afraid.

Hmm, why would you say so?

ammark
March 27, 2009, 11:33 PM
in my worldview, Kurt Vonnegut has raised the bar for aliens. They gotta at least have a fourth (time) dimension in their lives to impress me man.

Zeeshan
March 28, 2009, 12:08 AM
botanically speaking, yes:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/Kang-Kodos.jpg

wiki:
Hydrothermal vents are able to support extremophile bacteria on Earth and may also support life in other parts of the cosmos.

ammark
March 28, 2009, 04:22 AM
Of course aliens exist!

Nibbler : http://www.hookandneedles.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/nibbler1.jpg and Lurr & the Aliens of Omicron Persei VIII http://futurama.yaia.com/imagenes/personajes/lrrr.jpg too!

and Whatabout Spaceman Spiff ???? Surely these aliens are TRUE!

http://www.rabittooth.com/13_calvin/spiff/spiff02.jpg

Zeeshan
March 28, 2009, 07:30 AM
haha^

electre: it all depends on the meaning of life. define life in this context. does life start at conception? is life other name for consciousness or awareness or God or Infinity or Information or..... If we are all in a Self-Evolving giant organism (I have to be careful what I write here...almost wrote the wrong word) or Computer.. and all the connections we make is a Conception then what will really be the distance between two points? Because space is relative matter too.

you see the problem with my explanation is because we are going to a world of Abstraction due to semantics where it all boils down to the mitochondrial level of the structure of a Thought.

And....my Thought is different than your Thought (Thoth).

*I am reading Emerald Tablet....hence all the New Age sTream*

shaad
March 28, 2009, 08:32 AM
Shaad bhai ... agreed. Evolution does not "promote" intelligence, but ushers it ifit's presence increases fitness. I also agree when you say the evolution of intelligence elsewhere in the universe is not necessarily a common occurence, but there is a high possibility of occurence nonetheless. With that being said, if life evolved on a different planet before it did on Earth (I am talking about hundreds of millions or billions of years before), and if evolution chose to promote a highly-developed brain in said planet, then that species' intelligence will be far greater than ours, as it would be more evolved. The chances are high that there are at least a handful of such species.

And even a "handful" in the universal context could be mindbogglingly enormous.

Personally, I think there are probably intelligent (as in self aware) aliens out there. The Drake Equation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation) is often used by SETI enthusiasts to estimate the number of intelligent species in our galaxy we could potentially communicate with, but note that we really have no idea of a number of the variables in the equation. And while I probably enjoy science fiction as much as the next BC member, given what we currently know about physics and biology, I think it's unlikely that any came to visit us.

On a tangential note, keep in mind that we evolved to fit a particular environment -- earth. This, despite our courageous and successful forays into nearby space, possibly hinders long term and long distance (as in other solar systems) crewed space exploration, crewed by human "meat bodies" -- we have bone density and pregnancy issues in zero-G, inability to take high G accelerations over long periods of time, hard radiation issues, even tiny meteorite impact issues at high velocities. Generation ships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_starship) are a possibility, but then you have to deal with cultural drift over the length of time involved.

Now, this is not to say that we won't go into space; but I don't think it will be of the form we see in most movies and TV shows. Indulging in pure speculation here, I think, with the advances in computing and neuroscience that are coming about, in the long run we will simply upload our consciousness, personality and memories (essentially a virtual copy of ourselves) into computers on board an interstellar ship, and send that off on its way. This said ship could be much smaller, even the size of a soda can (requiring less reaction mass), accelerate at higher Gs, and not face many of the problems associated with "meat bodies." If we have been visited by any aliens, I think it's more likely that they were of this form.

Finally, I think this focus on intelligent and self-aware extraterrestrials often distracts us from the presence of other intelligent and self-aware species on our own planet. Look for instance at elephants' grief (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5RiHTSXK2A), anguish (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/unforgettable/emotions.html), and concept of mortality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjtrdpSwEUY) or of them at play (http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/player/news/animals-news/botswana-elephant-wcvin.html), dolphins blowing bubble rings to amuse themselves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuVgXJ55G6Y), crows using tools (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtmLVP0HvDg), Santino the chimp's advance planning (http://yotamak.blogs.com/wrongbutfunnycom/2009/03/santino-the-chimp-can-plan-the-rewardcastration.html), the mischievous antics of Otto the octopus (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3328480/Otto-the-octopus-wrecks-havoc.html), and tell me that we don't already share the planet with other wonderful intelligent beings.

BANFAN
March 28, 2009, 08:40 AM
Atleast one creature with intelligence and free will like human beings are declared by the creator; JINN

They are said to be trying to to listen to the conversation of the angels up above & the crator drives them off by throwing asteriod or similar things- 72:08-09 (Missiles!) means they have much advanced scientific knowledge than us as well.

We haven't been able to locate them yet.

Rifat
March 28, 2009, 10:35 AM
BANFAN:

"they see us from where we see them not"

anyways, it is possible for Aliens to exist but in our own galaxy?

i do not think man can travel at the speed of light(only a particle can!) because we are susceptible to heat, energy and our body has limitations. it can travel however up to a certain point though(and that should be the MAximum velocity possible obtained by man...very interesting idea for a science experiment)!

ammark
March 28, 2009, 11:37 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7954001.stm from 22 March 2009

Neel Here
March 28, 2009, 11:56 AM
electrequiem, simple probability ! consider the time universe has been in existence, around 15 bn years.
earth itself has been around for about 4.5 bn years.
let us take that as a representative time required for intelligent life to develop on a habitable planet (this criterion alone disqualifies most planets )

human beings able to witness and understand ET phenomena have not been around for more than 5000 years, even that is a little bit of stretch since not all human civilizations were equally advanced 5000 years back.
5000 years in an universe of 15 billion years is an incredibly thin time slice, and THEN there is the huge magnitude of the universe to contemplate !

now, what is the probability that there is a habitable planet, in the same time slice as ours, with similar or more advanced levels of technology ??

true, no one can actually put a number to the factors in the drake equation(most of them at any rate) but the odds doesn't look good !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

Neel Here
March 28, 2009, 12:15 PM
i do not think man can travel at the speed of light(only a particle can!) because we are susceptible to heat, energy and our body has limitations. it can travel however up to a certain point though(and that should be the MAximum velocity possible obtained by man...very interesting idea for a science experiment)!

correction ! only light particles (and other massless particles can) !

actually the human body would have no problem surviving even (completely theoretical) infinite speed.
the notion that speed imposes some limit on the human body is not quite true, the thing that you feel in a moving car is actually due to acceleration.
if the car was really moving at uniform velocity(without bumps vibrations etc) and the windows were sealed, you wouldn't be able to detect by *any way* (not even by gadgets) whether you were moving ! :cool:
the max acceleration human body is already well known from researches by air forces, it is around 9-10 g-forces with specially designed g-suits, although people have been known to survive 16-17 g's for limited periods of time.
the limit is imposed by einsteinian relativity which says that NO physical object can attain the speed of light. it may be very close but it can't be equal, and you require ENORMOUS amounts of energy for that.

BD-Shardul
March 28, 2009, 01:08 PM
Originally Posted by BANFAN
Atleast one creature with intelligence and free will like human beings are declared by the creator; JINN

They are said to be trying to to listen to the conversation of the angels up above & the crator drives them off by throwing asteriod or similar things (Missiles!) means they have much advanced scientific knowledge than us as well.

We haven't been able to locate them yet.

BANFAN bhai:

It is true that Allah has blessed Jinns with will power. Although Jinns do possess a lot more than humans when it comes to physical ability (like they can travel from one end to other end of the world within a second), their intellectual ability is nowhere near the humans. About the jinns listening to the conversation of angels, they stand on top of one another to reach close the boundary of first heaven. However, Allah thwarts their evil attempt by attacking them with asteroids.

Before the arrival of our prophet, the heaven was not as heavily guarded as it has been after his arrival, and this is precisely the reason of astonishing accuracy of ancient astrologers. Those astrologers used to take help of Jinns for fortune telling.

More about jinns here (http://www.geocities.com/mutmainaa/belief/jinn.html).

Originally Posted by Electrquiem
One World ... I always thought Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) journey on Burak was not a physical journey, but a metaphysical one.

Electriquiem bhai:

According hadith explanation of Al-Miraz, the night journey seems a physical one. The scholars are divided on this issue, but most of them side with the 'physical journey'. Refer to the "Was Miraj Physical or a Dream?" section of this thread (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=27195).

Exiting this thread before Orphy catches me!

Rifat
March 28, 2009, 06:27 PM
^lol.


you might have wondered: is Orphy from this planet?
cannot disagree here... :-| except one point:

Shardul bhai please explain how did "Jinns" know the future? yes, the journey was indeed physical and such a thing is indeed possible!

Tigers_eye
March 29, 2009, 09:00 AM
I always thought which universe Michael Jordan came from. Now I think Tiger Woods is also from the same race. Why don't they reveal their identity? Or they can just go home and pick on someone of their own size.

thebest
March 29, 2009, 10:49 AM
How many of you read Chariots of God by Erik Von Daniken? After reading the book as teenager I became an atheist and believed in ET. But now a days I don't. One of the thing as a believer I belive is I am one of the ashraful makhlukath - the greatest creation of Allah. If really intelligent ET exist why they did not show up like the cute ET in the Spielberg movie in UN

shaad
March 29, 2009, 11:41 AM
How many of you read Chariots of God by Erik Von Daniken? After reading the book as teenager I became an atheist and believed in ET. But now a days I don't. One of the thing as a belier I belive is I am one of the ashraful makhlukath - the greatest creation of Allah. If really intelligent ET exist why they did not show up like the cute ET in the Spielberg movie in UN

http://www.myapologetics.com/images/von11.JPG

Oh, I have fond memories of Daniken's book from my childhood. My favourite is his so-called Mayan astronaut (see image) based on the bas-relief on the lid of a sarcophagus. Daniken's interpretation:

In the center of that frame is a man sitting, bending forward. He has a mask on his nose, he uses his two hands to manipulate some controls, and the heel of his left foot is on a kind of pedal with different adjustments. The rear portion is separated from him; he is sitting on a complicated chair, and outside of this whole frame, you see a little flame like an exhaust.

In reality, "the widely accepted interpretation of the sarcophagus lid is that Pakal (the person in the figure, a ruler of the Mayan polity of Palenque) is descending into Xibalba, the Maya underworld. Around the edges of the lid are glyphs representing the Sun, the Moon, Venus, and various constellations, locating this event in the nighttime sky. Below him is the Maya water god, who guards the underworld. Beneath Pakal are the 'unfolded' jaws of a dragon or serpent, into whose mouth Pakal descends. This is a common iconographic representation of the entrance to the underworld. Other examples of this imagery are found in sculpture on Monument 1 "El Rey" and Monument 9 at the Olmec site of Chalcatzingo, Morelos, on Altar 4 at the Olmec site of La Venta, Tabasco, and in recently discovered murals at the Late Preclassic Maya site of San Bartolo, Guatemala" (from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacal_the_Great)).

BTW, thebest, even if really intelligent ETs exist, probability, the distances involved, and the speed of light limit (see earlier discussion) make it unlikely that they would come to visit us. Also isn't it rather arrogant and self-centred of us to imagine that really intelligent ETs who could traverse thousands of light-years efficiently have nothing better to do that to come down and visit a backwater locale like us (and if the stories are to believed, make crop circles, and kidnap people to stick anal probes into them :doh:)?

Neel Here
March 29, 2009, 11:58 AM
It might surprise the two of you to know that biologists routinely do create new living things, primarily viruses and bacteria, and that it doesn't require any such unexplained "X-factor". We generally don't make them completely from scratch (the basic molecules themselves), because the expense involved is exorbitant (and because our research is directed towards improving the human condition, not proving points to people who can't be bothered to look up the research). However, just as an example, the tobacco mosaic virus, to name one, can be be synthesized from basic molecules by just about anyone with a decent lab. On a more complex level, artificial, intentionally non-replicating cells have been made from constituent molecules by several scientists (see independent work by Keating, Libchaber, and Noireaux) and several groups are currently working to create replicating cells (see for instance, Ventner's Mycoplsama laboratorium).


whoa !
thanks for that bit of knowledge. is there some source on net that a layman can read up and understand this process ?
or if you could give us an entry level primer to this it would be great !
it's a privilege talking with you.

Zeeshan
March 29, 2009, 01:23 PM
How many of you read Chariots of God by Erik Von Daniken? After reading the book as teenager I became an atheist and believed in ET. But now a days I don't. One of the thing as a believer I belive is I am one of the ashraful makhlukath - the greatest creation of Allah. If really intelligent ET exist why they did not show up like the cute ET in the Spielberg movie in UN

Robert temple in his book maintains that Alien contacted Dogon 5000 years ago. Plant whose botanical name is Digitaria exilis (or as Dogon calls fonio) was chosen by the Dogon as the symbol for Sirius B.

which being a white dwarf star is he smallest type of star that exists, due to the fact that its matter is 'superdense'.

Dogon believe that Digitaria is the source of everything and it correlates with the fact that the Universe is "ejected by exploding supernovae which leave white dwarfs like Sirius B behind as remnant of the original star."

Temple, Robert. The Sirius Mystery. p43. Destiny Books. 1998

Edit: that was a dangerous post by Shaad bhai about Mayans...

goru
March 29, 2009, 03:05 PM
Forget extra-terrestrials... what about inter-dimensional beings (as seen in the latest Indiana Jones movie)? Far more interesting topic, I say...

Rifat
March 29, 2009, 03:18 PM
goru, what are inter-dimensional beings? please inform... :)

Electrequiem
March 30, 2009, 12:30 AM
On topic:

NASA launched the Kepler Mission last month with the goal of locating habitable planets in our solar system. I am very curious ... and, dare I say, hopeful.

http://kepler.nasa.gov/

nzfan
March 30, 2009, 02:08 AM
Of course they do, how else would you explain the existance of Michael Jackson?

http://traceyricksfoster.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/michael-jackson-neverland.jpg

Beamer
March 30, 2009, 11:37 AM
How many of you read Chariots of God by Erik Von Daniken? After reading the book as teenager I became an atheist and believed in ET. But now a days I don't. One of the thing as a believer I belive is I am one of the ashraful makhlukath - the greatest creation of Allah. If really intelligent ET exist why they did not show up like the cute ET in the Spielberg movie in UN

I read it as well . Another chap named Zacharia Sitchin has a series of books about aliens visiting Earth back in time. He goes overboard in trying to link the Sumerian Civilization to the visitors who came from the '12th Planet' in our solar system. Interesting nevertheless.

Great discussions here. However, anybody ever saw anything in their life looking up at the night ( or day ) sky that looked odd or out of of place? It will be interesting to hear. If you were drinking or smoking weeds, do not bother!

thebest
March 30, 2009, 11:46 AM
BTW, thebest, even if really intelligent ETs exist, probability, the distances involved, and the speed of light limit (see earlier discussion) make it unlikely that they would come to visit us. Also isn't it rather arrogant and self-centred of us to imagine that really intelligent ETs who could traverse thousands of light-years efficiently have nothing better to do that to come down and visit a backwater locale like us (and if the stories are to believed, make crop circles, and kidnap people to stick anal probes into them :doh:)?
I do agree. If I remember correctly (I read it at least 20 years ago. I do not have a copy of the book now), Daniken was suggesting we earthlings are actually a cross of ET and low quality earthling. I was actually trying to refute those you mentioned like make crop circles, and kidnap people to stick anal probes into them :saint:
BTW, I believe in ET but the reason you mentioned, the distances involved, and the speed of light limit (see earlier discussion) make it unlikely that we could get any proof of their existence

BD-Shardul
March 30, 2009, 06:44 PM
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Zeeshan
March 31, 2009, 10:55 AM
I personally think this thread is a decoy and a small part of a grander conspiracy scheme. By writing here back and forth, both Orphy and goru are working in tandem and diverting mod's attenion while the REAL messages are being put elsewhere ....by the time they are finished reading these posts, the REAL messages would be deleted from other section. Kella! Perfect heist.

this thread is like jalap...drugging the mods wih tautological logic et al.

One World
April 1, 2009, 09:08 PM
Adam was extra terrestrial to Satan.
Yeah they exist.

Zunaid
April 1, 2009, 09:15 PM
Adam was extra terrestrial to Satan.
Yeah they exist.

And so is God. Extraterrestrial.

One World
April 1, 2009, 09:27 PM
And so is God. Extraterrestrial.

I did not say that. :)
But the Adam-Satan relationship can be justified.