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F6_Turbo
March 10, 2012, 02:00 AM
Not the most tantalizing series in the world, but it starts with 5 ODI matches, so we should get a bit of a contest, and then a couple of T20 matches, again where the WIndies should be able to compete.

The less said about the Tests the better :(

http://i.imgur.com/29mNp.jpg

Jadukor
March 10, 2012, 02:19 AM
Looks like australia is also playing non stop. Wonder how many of them will survive injuries after this tour

Dilscoop
March 10, 2012, 02:22 AM
Sri Lanka will start from Tus, and Aus already left for WI! A day after the CB series. 11 ODIs and 4 tests, 3 months of cricket and no rest in between series.

ICC should really look into their scheduling.

F6_Turbo
March 10, 2012, 02:24 AM
Remember when Australia and the WIndies used to play 5 tests, that's gone to 4, and now 3. Perfectly matching the decline of the West Indies :(

Dilscoop
March 10, 2012, 02:29 AM
This series shouldn't even start until the end of this month. While BD just sits there, laying around on their asses, these guys are being slaved! That's true cricket.

Jadukor
March 10, 2012, 10:15 AM
By the way we get our asses kicked by other teams, i think it's only fair to rest our asses for awhile betwwen series.

F6_Turbo
March 17, 2012, 01:39 AM
Well Australia won the 1st encounter

Australia 204/8
WI 140/10

Australia won by 64 runs

West Indies bowled well, Sammy, Narine, Samuels and Roach were very frugal, while Bravo picked up 3 wickets.

But their batting was a shambles -

33/3
97/4
104/9
140 all out

Embarrassing.

Nadim
March 18, 2012, 02:07 PM
The guy who was opening and was making alot of run, aus dropped him to number 8 :sick:

Aus struggling in big time.


Australia 154/9 (40.0/40 ov)


2.45 pm Australia have been restricted to 154 for 9 but West Indies will have to chase 158 according to the D-L method. They were dismissed for 140 in the first ODI on a similar pitch, but you'd have to say West Indies are favourites at this point. Only just. We'll be back for the second innings in a bit ...



And Aus is doesn't know how to play spin at all, they making Sunil Narine a Murali.

Tiger444
March 18, 2012, 03:20 PM
I like both teams a lot but have to pull for the Windies in this series since their the underdogs.

Navo
March 18, 2012, 04:55 PM
Ridiculously poor cricket. Are they playing on a minefield??!

Navo
March 18, 2012, 05:19 PM
Finally, wow, they stumbled across the line.

Tiger444
March 18, 2012, 05:37 PM
Not the prettiest of wins but hey a win is a win in the end. On top of that the 1st one against Australia since 2006. So Congrats to the West Indies. I watched the match and the pitch did look tough to bat on. The ball wasn't coming on to the bat. So it was tough work to get runs. This game just shows also how important Pollard is to the West Indies. He's a game changer and is needed in these types of situations. Lastly, it was great to see the fans. It was a packed house and their celebrations were great to watch. The West Indians are really passionate of their cricket team. So feel good for them.

Dilscoop
March 18, 2012, 06:05 PM
Hard earned. Now they can't get whitewashed.

More importantly, how HQ images are these!http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/image/557871.html?page=1 Why can't series involving Bdesh have any HQ images like that. I wish I could get a hold of AFP images from free.

zainab
March 19, 2012, 07:07 AM
Not the prettiest of wins but hey a win is a win in the end. On top of that the 1st one against Australia since 2006. So Congrats to the West Indies. I watched the match and the pitch did look tough to bat on. The ball wasn't coming on to the bat. So it was tough work to get runs. This game just shows also how important Pollard is to the West Indies. He's a game changer and is needed in these types of situations. Lastly, it was great to see the fans. It was a packed house and their celebrations were great to watch. The West Indians are really passionate of their cricket team. So feel good for them.

Indeed!! Whether the WI win or lose, their fans always support them, no harsh criticisms and name calling like what the BD fans do to their cricketers.

zinatf
March 19, 2012, 07:14 AM
Congratulations to West Indies :clap:

Tiger444
March 19, 2012, 10:03 AM
Indeed!! Whether the WI win or lose, their fans always support them, no harsh criticisms and name calling like what the BD fans do to their cricketers.

Ya they're not nearly as harsh on their players as we are with ours. Their very laid back people whereas we're really jumpy. It's not only the BD fans though, it's the subcontinental fans in general. In the end though we all love our players. We just show the love in a different way.

zsayeed
March 19, 2012, 12:18 PM
Ball-games Bad Boy to Bring Bad Blood with Board to a Boundary (http://www.espncricinfo.com/westindies/content/current/story/557964.html)

TigerEz
March 20, 2012, 07:30 PM
Damn west indies tied with Australia

zsayeed
March 21, 2012, 11:49 AM
This is what I was talking about for a Captain to be cool headed. A captain MUST set an example on and off the field.

CI agrees:

But there was also a cautionary note for the stand-in captain Shane Watson, who spoiled an otherwise admirable bowling stint with a no-ball that reprieved Andre Russell at a critical time. Watson fumed over the episode and may need to calm himself more rapidly on future captaincy assignments, not least on this tour.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-australia-2012/content/current/story/558064.html

Watson was the angriest man in St Vincent by the end of the over. Whereas a regular player might have been permitted a brief outfield sulk, the captain had to compose himself to lead his team in the tense final overs
http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-australia-2012/content/current/story/558138.html

Anger reduces focus, efficiency, intelligence; and yes, that goes even for Boxers.
And that counter-effects of anger are even more felt when you are the leader and your decisions may become clouded with personal feelings.
Anger cannot exists without the person, the ego being alive. Anger is a useless personal emotion. One cannot get angry if one is professional and thinking of the larger picture than oneself.

Nadim
March 23, 2012, 11:49 AM
Pollard gone crazy:

WI:231/5(45)

Pollard on 77 from 58.

Nadim
March 23, 2012, 12:15 PM
:bravo: Pollard.

WI have very dangerous middle and lower order batting:

Bravo Senior
Pollard
Russel
Sammi


~++++++

And if they can add Gayle and D.Smith at the top, they will surely be the favorite to win the next T20 WC can be in top 3 in ODI.

Sovik
March 23, 2012, 12:26 PM
Some hitting by the Windies batsmen

MohammedC
March 23, 2012, 12:26 PM
Here you go Nadim. Some cricket for you.

rakib08
March 23, 2012, 01:13 PM
watching live http://onlinewatchsport.com/live-cricket-tv-online/

Dilscoop
March 23, 2012, 01:27 PM
So Pollard finally becomes useful for WI.

Nadim
March 23, 2012, 02:22 PM
Well done WI :clap:

In test they should go with Bishho and Narina.

Dilscoop
March 23, 2012, 03:59 PM
40.6
Roach to Lee, SIX, he connects again with another almighty thrash, flat-batting a six over deep midwicket. Lee the gunslinger is going to go down in a blaze! That's 24 off the over!
40.5
Roach to Lee, no run, Roach hits back with a bouncer and Lee is forced to curtail his aggression
40.4
Roach to Lee, SIX, this time his picks up the ball and deposits it back over long-on! That was a ferocious hit, a huge windmilling swing of the arms and the ball flies over the boundary
40.3
Roach to Lee, FOUR, three in a row! Roach is striving for the yorker but it's not quite full enough and Lee spears it through cover. He's taking out his frustrations from Roach's last over
40.2
Roach to Lee, FOUR, shot! pitched up again and Lee steps back to blammo a four through extra-cover
40.1
Roach to Lee, FOUR, full, quick and Lee inside-edges to the fine leg rope for four

hellloo!!

Nadim
March 23, 2012, 04:11 PM
44.3
Russell to Lee, SIX, another one goes the distance! This time straight down the ground, rather than over long-on. Holy Moly
44.2
Russell to Lee, SIX, smashed down the ground and Lee goes to fifty with a six! Another piece of clean hitting that would make Kieron Pollard proud!

OMGGGGGGG!!! what is happening?? after going for 73 runs in 10, Lee is showing how to bat in this pitch :wow:

can he pull it off for Aus???

Nadim
March 23, 2012, 04:16 PM
I will only jodge Narine when i see him playing against sub continent team. aus sux at spin. maybe another Mendis?

Dilscoop
March 23, 2012, 04:17 PM
OMGGGGGGG!!! what is happening?? after going for 73 runs in 10, Lee is showing how to bat in this pitch :wow:

can he pull it off for Aus???

And Shahadat couldn't hit a 4 for his LIFE!

MohammedC
March 23, 2012, 04:18 PM
Australia lost by 42 runs

zsayeed
March 23, 2012, 04:46 PM
Wow what a performance by Pollard!

Ajfar
March 23, 2012, 10:20 PM
Damn Pollard killed Australia. Which commentator was it that said, Pollard is not even a real batsman?

zinatf
March 24, 2012, 12:05 AM
Isshire WI to fatai feltese...:up:

Sovik
March 24, 2012, 11:21 PM
Windies haven't won a series against Australia in 17 years

zinatf
March 24, 2012, 11:23 PM
Best of luck Windies...:up:
http://eprothomalo.com/contents/2012/2012_03_25/content_zoom/2012_03_25_18_3_b.jpg

Ajfar
March 25, 2012, 12:48 AM
I hope WI will pull this off. Plus if they win today they cross NZ in ODI ranking.

Equinox
March 25, 2012, 06:55 AM
Damn Pollard killed Australia. Which commentator was it that said, Pollard is not even a real batsman?
It was Michael Holding who said Pollard is not a real cricketer. But he is known to be a bit OTT with his criticisms. The way Pollard is going I see a Test career for him, he has even expressed his desire to play Tests for WI. WI should simply stop scheduling series' during the IPL that way they will stop losing players like Gayle, Pollard and now Narine.

Looking forward to today's match. Good luck WI.

Tiger444
March 25, 2012, 07:54 AM
Hoping West Indies end up winning the series. They have a good team in place now. Their so dangerous at the lower middle order.

Tiger444
March 25, 2012, 07:59 AM
It was Michael Holding who said Pollard is not a real cricketer. But he is known to be a bit OTT with his criticisms. The way Pollard is going I see a Test career for him, he has even expressed his desire to play Tests for WI. WI should simply stop scheduling series' during the IPL that way they will stop losing players like Gayle, Pollard and now Narine.

Looking forward to today's match. Good luck WI.

Pollard has really improved in recent times. His records were very poor before hitting only 3 half centuries and that was against Ireland and Netherlands. After the WC though he's been better hitting 2 centuries and a half century. Definitely is going in the right direction. Don't think he should be included in Tests though. Just have him as a T20I/ODI specialist.

Night_wolf
March 25, 2012, 12:10 PM
why isnt bisshu palying?..anybody know?

Leafs PWN
March 25, 2012, 12:30 PM
huge over from russel

this is will cut short at least 15 runs

Leafs PWN
March 25, 2012, 12:52 PM
lol the 50th over so far: 0 W 0 W

Tiger444
March 25, 2012, 02:32 PM
WI top order batting really needs to improve. They can't just depend on their lower middle order to bail them out all the time. Having Gayle will help them out big time. Barath is a very good young batsman and should be persisted with. Darren Bravo is also a great talent. Don't think Samuels should be in the shorter forms. Just keep him in for tests.

Dilscoop
March 25, 2012, 02:50 PM
230 runs to end the 17 years' drought

TIKBoss
March 25, 2012, 03:49 PM
17 year wait will continue for windies.. well done west indies. didnt expect them to even win 2 matches though. regardless of the injuries to clarke, pattinson and ponting retirement plus playing with new team/captain still expected them to beat west indies. But I am pretty sure Australia will thrash windies in tests.

Dilscoop
March 25, 2012, 04:24 PM
^ hold on to those thoughts.

SAMMY. Holy crap. I saw him at 30 from 15, and I post something, and now he is on 60!!! Either I type very slow (which I don't) or he is not bumping into any bowlers while running those 6 runs.

MohammedC
March 25, 2012, 04:43 PM
Windies 229/8

Sammy on 67*
Narine 5* (Gave our A Team hard times with the bat)

MohammedC
March 25, 2012, 05:05 PM
31 of 18

Come on Sammy 84*

TIKBoss
March 25, 2012, 05:08 PM
^ hold on to those thoughts.

SAMMY. Holy crap. I saw him at 30 from 15, and I post something, and now he is on 60!!! Either I type very slow (which I don't) or he is not bumping into any bowlers while running those 6 runs.

terrible bowling by australia in the last 15 overs today.. good try windies but not good enough.. 17 years.. damn that's a long time but no surprise since windies have been close to minnows for many years now.

firstlane
March 25, 2012, 06:49 PM
why isnt bisshu palying?..anybody know?

Sunil Narine seems to be the spinner on demand atm. he was very well in CL2, taking 10 wickets at an average of 10.50 and an economy rate of 4.37. He was sold for $700,000 to KKR in 2012 IPL auction. WI has produced some quality spinners in last couple of years ie. Benn, Bishoo. The competion has been good.

MohammedC
March 27, 2012, 01:56 PM
T20 International

Windies are batting ..... Pollard hits his first six

81/4 after 13

watching here http://www.hdfooty.com/channel5.html

MohammedC
March 27, 2012, 02:06 PM
Kieron is a beast. 31 of 13

make that 35 of 14

zsayeed
March 27, 2012, 02:07 PM
Soon..................................... Gayle be back for WI Nat'l Team? (http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-australia-2012/content/story/558784.html)

MohammedC
March 27, 2012, 02:10 PM
watching something special here

MohammedC
March 27, 2012, 02:11 PM
bowling dot ball to kieron is like diamond

zsayeed
March 27, 2012, 03:34 PM
Easy game for Australia.

zsayeed
March 27, 2012, 05:02 PM
West Indies captain Darren Sammy: "We were looking for about 170 but the Australians bowled well and maybe outplayed us today. We have one more game in Barbados and hope to change things there. We might try to add some firepower to the bowling for the next game."

Australia's Shane Watson is the man of the match: "It's nice, good to be able to put a complete performance together. I was thinking 160-170 was a par score, it's a beautiful wicket and a pretty small boundary as well, so we thought 150 would be good to chase. One of Pollard's big hits chopped up the ball a little, so that helped us with reverse swing, so thanks big man ... With the bat, it's getting there, I'm definitely hitting the ball better now."

cricheart
March 30, 2012, 06:51 PM
Both ODI & t20i series drawn. Its still all square. Australia may need to fight here to gain back #1 test spot.

zinatf
March 31, 2012, 03:10 AM
:clap: what a comeback WI!! Very good fight against the Aussies :D

Gowza
March 31, 2012, 07:56 PM
whose going to be in the WI test squad? jason holder and carlos brathwaite are great prospects! i hope they bring back darren bravo for the test team he should be there and wouldn't hurt them to have dwayne bravo and smith either. and will they have narine or bishoo or both in the squad?

Gowza
April 5, 2012, 11:10 PM
have to say i'm surprised russell didn't make the squad for the 1st test, he's a very promising allrounder, hits big as a lower order batsman but can bowl as good as any pacer really.

i wonder why holder didn't get many overs in the warm-up match, seems to have bowled ok just didn't get the ball too often.

Equinox
April 7, 2012, 01:15 PM
WI building steadily in Day 1 of the first Test. Kirk Edwards looks a very solid player to me. WI have been waiting for a batsman like him for a long time. And this Brathwaite guy has a bright future. Incredible concentration and discipline for a 19 year old. And as I'm writing this he has brought up his half-century. Very well played. With Gayle's return imminent there'll be some firepower added to the line-up as well. All in all good times ahead for WI again.

Nadim
April 7, 2012, 01:31 PM
Such a boring test match :sick:

Navo
April 7, 2012, 01:33 PM
Warner's bowling is not half bad!

Tiger444
April 7, 2012, 01:52 PM
WI building steadily in Day 1 of the first Test. Kirk Edwards looks a very solid player to me. WI have been waiting for a batsman like him for a long time. And this Brathwaite guy has a bright future. Incredible concentration and discipline for a 19 year old. And as I'm writing this he has brought up his half-century. Very well played. With Gayle's return imminent there'll be some firepower added to the line-up as well. All in all good times ahead for WI again.

Ya the Windies batsmen are doing really well here. I really like Kirk Edwards as well, he's definitely got a bright future ahead of him for Test cricket. Also our youngsters should learn from Brathwaite. The amount of patience he showed was phenomenal for such a young player. Definitely a star in the making.

They definitely are making positive strides. Sammy was saying that he wants to be a top 5 Test team in about 4 years. I believe that goal could be very much possible if they can continue to work hard and improve. It's always a positive to have the WI doing well. It's good for cricket.

Equinox
April 7, 2012, 02:05 PM
^The thing with Brathwaite is that he isn't that talented and doesn't have a lot of shots or power but he is prepared to labour with whatever he has got and that is very commendable. If our batsmen had 3/4th of that discipline and patience they would have so much more success when batting.

Tiger444
April 7, 2012, 02:12 PM
^The thing with Brathwaite is that he isn't that talented and doesn't have a lot of shots or power but he is prepared to labour with whatever he has got and that is very commendable. If our batsmen had 3/4th of that discipline and patience they would have so much more success when batting.

When the West Indies toured BD last time around, their batsmen showed a lot better temperament then our batsmen. I was actually really impressed with the way they batted. They also have very young batsmen but they show a whole lot more application then our boys. It's the way they make bowlers toil to get their wickets. If they continue the good work, they'll be a very tough team to beat.

Navo
April 7, 2012, 02:23 PM
Tiger444, it's similar to the way that some of the current Pakistani Test Batsmen bat - Misbah, Younis, Azhar Ali etc. (barring Umar Akmal of course) But the difference is, these WI batsmen excluding Chanderpaul and a couple others are really, really young.

It's also interesting to note that WI's spin bowling attack holds greater mystery/threat for foreign batsmen than their fast bowling! We're watching WI cricket transform in front of our eyes!

Tiger444
April 7, 2012, 02:31 PM
Tiger444, it's similar to the way that some of the current Pakistani Test Batsmen bat - Misbah, Younis, Azhar Ali etc. (barring Umar Akmal of course) But the difference is, these WI batsmen excluding Chanderpaul and a couple others are really, really young.

It's also interesting to note that WI's spin bowling attack holds greater mystery/threat for foreign batsmen than their fast bowling! We're watching WI cricket transform in front of our eyes!

Good point Navo. I was actually thinking the same thing. Pakistani batsmen also bat like the West Indies. Zimbabweans also bat like those 2 teams as well. I believe our batsmen need to follow these 3 teams as well. They should be extra defensive while batting. Weaker teams need to bat even slower then the stronger teams since their batting isn't as developed. Then slowly they should improve their run rates. So when we face Zimbabwe next time, I want our RR to hover around 2-2.5 for a good amount of the match and then we could work from there.

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 12:17 PM
http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff430/zsayeed/rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.jpg

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 12:22 PM
Now with that boundary Chanderpaul is the leading run scorer at Kensington Oval!
http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff430/zsayeed/rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.jpg

Navo
April 8, 2012, 12:32 PM
Good point Navo. I was actually thinking the same thing. Pakistani batsmen also bat like the West Indies. Zimbabweans also bat like those 2 teams as well. I believe our batsmen need to follow these 3 teams as well. They should be extra defensive while batting. Weaker teams need to bat even slower then the stronger teams since their batting isn't as developed. Then slowly they should improve their run rates. So when we face Zimbabwe next time, I want our RR to hover around 2-2.5 for a good amount of the match and then we could work from there.

I still think it depends on context. The Eng-SL match showed us that on a helpful pitch, a wicket will fall inevitably due to the rough patches and the uneven bounce. In those conditions you can't just stonewall and bat out maidens. On that pitch and against a good bowling attack, it's nigh impossible for any team to bat out 2.5 days. So it's important to play sensibly but to rotate regularly.

But yes, I do agree with the idea of including a few more solid, compact players in the top order. Tamim, Shakib and Nasir have all the flamboyance we need. In tests Mushy and Riyad look solid but often squander starts. Let's see who is in form close to the Zim series.

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 12:49 PM
Sammy seems to be on a mission! 24 from 22 balls - this is a TEST!

Watson hits him on the helmet - helmet gone! Bent out of shape, and then next ball -

Sammy

Hits a six off Watson!

Watson to Sammy, SIX, that's how they respond to bouncers in the West Indies. Watson bowls a gentle length ball, well slightly short of a length, and Sammy punches this on the up, going well over mid-off. What clean swing. And then stands and admires the shot with the elbow up. Photographers have got their photo of the day. Crowds love it too. Bye bye ball

Sammy still a little dizzy, though, after that hit in the head. The physio jogs out. Sammy is on the floor. Then he gets up about five seconds later. They are feeding him bananas. Meanwhile that old helmet is smashed out of shape. All right we have had about three minutes of delay, and umpire Tony Hill asks him to either hurry up or retire-hurt. Sammy sips more water. Wipes the face with a towel. And puts the new helmet on

Navo
April 8, 2012, 12:54 PM
Great stuff (http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-australia-2012/engine/current/match/540176.html):-

"120.4
Watson to Sammy, no run, got him in the helmet. Sammy has ducked straight into it. Dug into the middle of the pitch, just outside off, Sammy ducks, but the ball doesn't come up and hits him on the back of the helmet. he is on the floor. No verbals, though
120.5
Watson to Sammy, SIX, that's how they respond to bouncers in the West Indies. Watson bowls a gentle length ball, well slightly short of a length, and Sammy punches this on the up, going well over mid-off. What clean swing. And then stands and admires the shot with the elbow up. Photographers have got their photo of the day. Crowds love it too. Bye bye ball
Harris comes up and inspects the helmet. Shiv shows Sammy where it is damaged. Sammy asks for a new one"

Sammy still a little dizzy, though, after that hit in the head. The physio jogs out. Sammy is on the floor. Then he gets up about five seconds later. They are feeding him bananas. Meanwhile that old helmet is smashed out of shape

Cricket would not be the same without the West Indies.

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 12:57 PM
Watto to Sammy again....

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 12:58 PM
and sammy hits for four...

sammy on a point to make to watto

28 off 24 now

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 12:59 PM
and then a six for sammy off watto.....:) Love this

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 01:00 PM
wattor mukh shukna

Helter-skelter goes the field. One slip fewer. Mid-on and mid-off go deeper

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 01:01 PM
scathing yorker now from watto

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 01:05 PM
That day they were interviewing Sammy's son who is probably 5 years old. They asked him who is fave WI player was - and surprise surprise he goes : BISHOO!!!

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 01:07 PM
I think Sammy should play to carry on now. He has a superb start - but then again why change the rhythm.

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 01:14 PM
sammy 6 off hilfy now!

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 01:15 PM
and sammy gone!

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 01:18 PM
I wonder if Warner will be in one of his moods?

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 01:24 PM
random woman in audience got gibed by commentators - she for dhindhindi not crick!

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 02:36 PM
Oh please don't let Shiv be stranded! On 95, 9 wickets down now.

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 02:39 PM
Oh no, Shiv couldn't farm the strike. Bishoo on strike now.

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 02:42 PM
One more ball left for Bishoo to face in this Lyon over

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 02:42 PM
survived with 6 around the wicket!

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 02:44 PM
On 96 now, but Bishoo back on strike with 4 balls left in Warner over.

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 02:51 PM
Hilfy to Bishoo!

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 03:01 PM
Shiv on 99 and farmed the strike!

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 03:03 PM
Phew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 100 with a 2!

25th!

Navo
April 8, 2012, 03:04 PM
100!!!! Congrats Chanderpaul. One of the players I've been seeing in international cricket since I was in my diapers.

Navo
April 8, 2012, 03:36 PM
Now this is a team performance - No. 1 to 11 all getting into double digits!

Dilscoop
April 8, 2012, 05:29 PM
Well done Shiva
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Ajfar
April 8, 2012, 06:40 PM
Now this is a team performance - No. 1 to 11 all getting into double digits!

This is exactly what we need. We just need one player to score big and rest to do their fair share of work. I really like the approach these WI batsman took, very similar to the way the Pak team bat in test also. If we want to improve in test cricket we have to start doing what WI and Pak batsman did, just bat out sessions after session, learn to survive in the crease. First learn how to draw test matches than evetually win.

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 07:10 PM
Now only if we could practice that in our FC league!

zsayeed
April 8, 2012, 08:26 PM
http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/144400/144492.jpg

Tiger444
April 9, 2012, 10:37 AM
I still think it depends on context. The Eng-SL match showed us that on a helpful pitch, a wicket will fall inevitably due to the rough patches and the uneven bounce. In those conditions you can't just stonewall and bat out maidens. On that pitch and against a good bowling attack, it's nigh impossible for any team to bat out 2.5 days. So it's important to play sensibly but to rotate regularly.

But yes, I do agree with the idea of including a few more solid, compact players in the top order. Tamim, Shakib and Nasir have all the flamboyance we need. In tests Mushy and Riyad look solid but often squander starts. Let's see who is in form close to the Zim series.

Ya I agree with this. Bottom line is that you have to bat sensibly. You can bat anyway you like but you have to put up the big scores at the end of the day.

I really liked the way we batted in the 1st Test match against the West Indies last year.

http://http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-west-indies-2011/engine/match/531986.html

Of course all the batsmen needed to kick on to big scores, but as we saw here, everyone took their time and focused on building their innings rather then just accelerating. Unfortunately we couldn't replicate this type of batting performance again. If we can bat like this more often, we can start to see more improvement in our Test match batting.

zsayeed
April 9, 2012, 10:48 AM
Same situation Clarke reprieved of a caught, and Dilshan was not. ONField gave out!

Bishoo getting some ominous turn and bounce.

Tiger444
April 9, 2012, 11:00 AM
The WI bowling definitely needs to improve but they still have a pretty threatening bowling lineup. If we want to win Test matches, we're going to have to get more Test match caliber bowlers. We can't just rely on Shakib to get us wickets. Elias Sunny has been a good find and I see him being Shakib's partner in Tests for a long time but our pacers are really weak. Hopefully Rubel, Shafiul, Robiul, and Nazmul continue to improve their test match bowling so that we can take 20 wickets.

zsayeed
April 9, 2012, 09:33 PM
Height of ICC Inconsistency - both tests without Hotspot, both on-field umpiring calls OUT - Caught.
(In fact both events at ball number 35.1)

SL v ENG test 2
35.1 53.5 mph, Appeal for a catch at slip, given but Dilshan reviews it, turning in from outside off, gets forward and tries to defend, replays are not conclusive, the bat hits the ground and the ball goes off the pads towards slip, there is no definite evidence of an inside edge, Dilshan reviewed it immediately, was there a slight contact with the bat after the ball struck the pad? The replays can't prove anything. There's no Hot Spot. You just can't be definite. England were confident, they went up spontaneously. In the absence of Hot Spot, it's really hard to tell. The third umpire is trying every possible angle. The original decision is upheld. But since the on-field umpire had given it out, the third umpire didn't have conclusive evidence that he didn't hit it! There was no conclusive evidence that he did either! Tricky situation, but a decision's been made and Dilshan has to walk back 104/3

WI v AUS
35.1
Bishoo to Clarke, no run, That's a shooter, Clarke is given out caught at the wicket, and he has reviewed it immediately. This ball is a long hop but hardly leaves the ground. This is pitched off. Clarke goes for the cut, Baugh does really well to catch it. Tony Hill thinks and thinks before raising the finger. Clarke immediately makes the T sign. Replays show no deviation, but is that enough under the DRS? I don't think he has edged it, but I don't see enough conclusive evidence to overturn the call. No Hot Spot or Snicko in place. This is where DRS is a bit impotent. Long discussion on. And they have reversed it. West Indies don't like it. They don't see enough evidence to conclusively say the on-field umpire was wrong

Navo
April 9, 2012, 09:39 PM
The WI bowling definitely needs to improve but they still have a pretty threatening bowling lineup. If we want to win Test matches, we're going to have to get more Test match caliber bowlers. We can't just rely on Shakib to get us wickets. Elias Sunny has been a good find and I see him being Shakib's partner in Tests for a long time but our pacers are really weak. Hopefully Rubel, Shafiul, Robiul, and Nazmul continue to improve their test match bowling so that we can take 20 wickets.

Rubel and Shafiul's injuries might have just set us back a few years - at least in terms of experience and pace. In another thread I saw that Rubel may be laid off for up to 6 months. Which might mean that he misses the Zimbabwe tour :hairpull:

We desperately need replacements....

Tiger444
April 9, 2012, 10:24 PM
Rubel and Shafiul's injuries might have just set us back a few years - at least in terms of experience and pace. In another thread I saw that Rubel may be laid off for up to 6 months. Which might mean that he misses the Zimbabwe tour :hairpull:

We desperately need replacements....

Yup, there's a chance Rubel will be out for a very long time. So that means we've only got Mash, Nazmul, Shafiul, and Robiul as our pacers. On top of that, Mash is playing only the shorter versions for now and Robiul plays only Tests.

That's why we need to develop the likes of Abul Hasan, Alauddi Babu, Al-Amin Hossain, and Kamrul Islam Rabbi. Have Jurgenson work with them so that when they're needed, they can come in and be as ready as possible. Ideally, they need more time but we really don't have much choice. Abu Jayed and Taskin Ahmed could be looked at as long term options.

Navo
April 10, 2012, 01:11 AM
I read in another thread that the selectors are busy scouting out talent at the moment. Would be great to get a piece from Shane Jurgensen about working with Bangladeshi bowlers at the present time. What he thinks of the latest prospects he's seen, etc.

On a general note, seeing this WI v Aus series and the recently concluded SL vs Eng series, has been great as a cricket viewer. When I first started watching cricket, during the 1996 WC, Australia had just started becoming a dominant force and for many years afterward they would win everything, home and abroad. India would win most matches at home.

Nowadays, even if the quality of the cricket isn't always the highest (going from seeing Walsh & Ambrose clear out top orders to seeing Sammy do that is quite a change!), the result of no match is pre-ordained. It's quite gripping.

Gowza
April 10, 2012, 01:43 AM
I read in another thread that the selectors are busy scouting out talent at the moment. Would be great to get a piece from Shane Jurgensen about working with Bangladeshi bowlers at the present time. What he thinks of the latest prospects he's seen, etc.

On a general note, seeing this WI v Aus series and the recently concluded SL vs Eng series, has been great as a cricket viewer. When I first started watching cricket, during the 1996 WC, Australia had just started becoming a dominant force and for many years afterward they would win everything, home and abroad. India would win most matches at home.

Nowadays, even if the quality of the cricket isn't always the highest (going from seeing Walsh & Ambrose clear out top orders to seeing Sammy do that is quite a change!), the result of no match is pre-ordained. It's quite gripping.

yes well i think alot of BD pacer talent gets lost as well. like emon ahmed, i know he hasn't had great results but he got selected for higher honours, even mash said he's the next big thing i believe, and where is he now? doesn't even get a match domestically. guys like al-amin need to be developed and they need to keep track with guys like emon ahmed also. don't forget guys like dolar mahmud etc. decent enough talent just got to hone it.

now as far as WI pacers go, even after walsh/ambrose they have had talent. guys like reon king and franklyn rose had a good amount of talent, jermaine lawson had a good amount of talent, jerome taylor and fidel edards have a good amount of talent. not to mention kemar roach their current spearhead and the youngsters coming through in jason holder, carlos brathwaite and andre russell.

WI at one time were soo good at developing their fast bowling talent. now they have the same problem as most test nations. BD, india, sri lanka, NZ, zimbabwe are all struggling to develop their pacer talent. WI has the same issue, however i believe WI has a lot more fast bowling talent within their country than most of the test nations that are struggling.

Ajfar
April 10, 2012, 10:50 AM
I hope WI will get 100 runs lead. Extend the lead to 300 and declare early on tomorrow, see if they make a game out of it.

zsayeed
April 10, 2012, 11:05 AM
Harris is just annoying me now. I know I know - a hero to some, but I want him out!

Navo
April 10, 2012, 02:56 PM
What is going on here?!? Windies 17/4?!? :facepalm:

zsayeed
April 10, 2012, 04:02 PM
In tatters. Steadying now.

Nocturnal
April 11, 2012, 04:00 PM
Aus lost their 5th wicket. Come on WI

West Indies 449/9d & 148
Australia 406/9d & 143/5 (38.2 ov)
Australia require another 49 runs with 5 wickets remaining
Min overs remaining 24.4

Nocturnal
April 11, 2012, 04:04 PM
CI: down to paddle sweep and given out lbw!! Wade refers the call straight away...

6th may be?

Nocturnal
April 11, 2012, 04:04 PM
9.2
Deonarine to Wade, no run, down to paddle sweep and given out lbw!! Wade refers the call straight away...has he hit this...yes I think he might have but is there enough evidence!?! Does that matter...apparently there is evidence and the decision is overturned

Nocturnal
April 11, 2012, 04:18 PM
Australia require another 27 runs with 5 wickets remaining

zsayeed
April 11, 2012, 04:46 PM
Feel very bad for WI! Worked so hard except that half hour before tea yesterday. Clarky took total advantage of a tired team out all day.

Just that half hour killed them. What a test though. All good beyond that half hour.

firstlane
April 11, 2012, 05:04 PM
Aussies were lucky to get away with this test. Everything went to their favour.

Naimul_Hd
April 11, 2012, 08:03 PM
what a series it has been so far ! The Aussies are clearly suffering from fatigue after such a long summer in home and then going to WI straightway.

Dilscoop
April 11, 2012, 08:11 PM
No amount of ipl bbl bpl ppl epl cpl jpl xpl can provide this. Well fought Windies. Go hard next test.

Gowza
April 14, 2012, 12:44 AM
Windies are buidling a solid team. chanderpaul is still around for now and everyone knows his quality, darren bravo is a quality batsman and edwards is a solid bat so is barath and kraigg brathwaite may not have the flare but is young and already has incredible mental fortitude. they've got a good spearhead in kemar roach and some strong up and comers in jason holder carlos brathwaite etc but they also have a solid pacer in fidel and taylor if he comes back.

as far as allrounders go andre russell is great and k cooper is making a name for himself and they still have the 2 dwaynes (bravo and smith) and pollard.

in terms of spinners they've got bishoo, narine and miller who are all solid and talented, and shillingford has been at the top of the wickets lists for the last few years so he should be a solid bowler as well.

WI have some really good talent coming through they should trust their youngsters i think. i reckon standouts will be be darren bravo, kirk edwards, andre russell and kemar roach but i think holder and c brathwaite will do quite well to. k cooper is hyped but i think he's more in the mold of dwayne bravo.....medium pacer, it's tough unless the pitch is in your favour and that would mean there is more pressure for him to perform as a batsman.

Tiger444
April 16, 2012, 10:41 AM
Watching Baugh struggling this much makes me so grateful that we have Mushy. Baugh can't keep and his stats as a batsman is as bad as a tailender. At least Mushy can bat. I still believe that he should given up the gloves for Tests and play as a batsman while Dhiman should keep. That's the way they do it when they play for Rajshahi. Don't understand why they can't do it for Tests. Dhiman is also the 3rd highest scorer in this year's NCL. The 2nd year in a row where he has been 1 of the highest scorers in the NCL. I'm fine with Mushy in ODI's and T20I's as a keeper though.

Gowza
April 16, 2012, 08:59 PM
barath in dire straits, think it will be hard for him to retain his position after this test match unless his pulls out something great in the 2nd innings.

Gowza
April 17, 2012, 08:16 PM
i'm a fan of fidel but his inconsistency basically means any youngster who steps up and looks promising should be given a run, sad to say because i think fidel has all the tools to be a great fast bowler but he's had years to improve his consistency and line and length and perfect everything but he's the same bowler.

so i reckon carlos brathwaite could be a possible selection for them in their next match, jason holder is another possible but i think he needs more development than carlos at this point in their careers.

Tiger444
April 17, 2012, 09:02 PM
barath in dire straits, think it will be hard for him to retain his position after this test match unless his pulls out something great in the 2nd innings.

The kid has talent for sure. I mean he hit a century against Australia the Gabba. I think what's hindered him is all the injuries he had to endure. It's messed up his development as a batsman. It's sad because he and Bravo started out at the same time and look at both of them now. Bravo has become 1 of the best young Test batsman in the world while Barath is struggling. I believe he should be kept around and be developed along with K Brathwaite and Kieran Powell. They all have potential and will come good in Test cricket with time. It'll really help having Gayle back who could take the pressure off of these 3.

i'm a fan of fidel but his inconsistency basically means any youngster who steps up and looks promising should be given a run, sad to say because i think fidel has all the tools to be a great fast bowler but he's had years to improve his consistency and line and length and perfect everything but he's the same bowler.

so i reckon carlos brathwaite could be a possible selection for them in their next match, jason holder is another possible but i think he needs more development than carlos at this point in their careers.

I believe injuries have hit Fidel badly as well. In this Test match, he had to bowl really short spells. That's how careful they are about him. I believe it's better he just focuses on T20I's and ODIs and just quits Tests. He can still be a real asset as a shorter version bowler. Also Roach has developed really nicely so the WI wouldn't miss Fidel much in Tests. I would put Rampaul back in because he did really well last time he was in.

Gowza
April 17, 2012, 09:23 PM
The kid has talent for sure. I mean he hit a century against Australia the Gabba. I think what's hindered him is all the injuries he had to endure. It's messed up his development as a batsman. It's sad because he and Bravo started out at the same time and look at both of them now. Bravo has become 1 of the best young Test batsman in the world while Barath is struggling. I believe he should be kept around and be developed along with K Brathwaite and Kieran Powell. They all have potential and will come good in Test cricket with time. It'll really help having Gayle back who could take the pressure off of these 3.



I believe injuries have hit Fidel badly as well. In this Test match, he had to bowl really short spells. That's how careful they are about him. I believe it's better he just focuses on T20I's and ODIs and just quits Tests. He can still be a real asset as a shorter version bowler. Also Roach has developed really nicely so the WI wouldn't miss Fidel much in Tests. I would put Rampaul back in because he did really well last time he was in.

i've heard a lot about barath as a talent, but from what i've personally seen of him i'm yet to see what that hype is all about. i watched that century against australia and kept thinking what all the fuss is about. he must have some sort of talent if lara thinks he has something about him but he needs to go back to domestics and work on some things imo. bravo has developed really really nicely, this kid from what he's shown so far could be one of the best or even the best of his generation/era and i say that knowing he has to compete with the likes of umar akmal, chandimal etc. k powell is obviously a talent, he's performed pretty well so far in test cricket, which is not easy so there is something there. i've heard they have a kid last name carter who is talent (although apparently he hasn't performed very consistently. people have a go at k brathwaite saying he hasn't got the shots/talent but the thing is i've heard that he's a really hard worker and he's clearly mentally tough already and patient so he has a lot going for him imo.


as far as fidel goes it's a real shame to hear you say he should quit tests but i'd say your right in saying it. and your also right about roach, he's starting to come good now. now to ravi rampaul, i'd consider him a stop gap measure, WI should be developing their young fast bowlers, they have the history and they need to get it back to present. i think carlos brathwaite and jason holder are 2 great prospects for them, but holder probably needs to add a bit more pace otherwise he needs to look at joel garner footage.

Tiger444
April 18, 2012, 08:47 AM
i've heard a lot about barath as a talent, but from what i've personally seen of him i'm yet to see what that hype is all about. i watched that century against australia and kept thinking what all the fuss is about. he must have some sort of talent if lara thinks he has something about him but he needs to go back to domestics and work on some things imo. bravo has developed really really nicely, this kid from what he's shown so far could be one of the best or even the best of his generation/era and i say that knowing he has to compete with the likes of umar akmal, chandimal etc. k powell is obviously a talent, he's performed pretty well so far in test cricket, which is not easy so there is something there. i've heard they have a kid last name carter who is talent (although apparently he hasn't performed very consistently. people have a go at k brathwaite saying he hasn't got the shots/talent but the thing is i've heard that he's a really hard worker and he's clearly mentally tough already and patient so he has a lot going for him imo.


as far as fidel goes it's a real shame to hear you say he should quit tests but i'd say your right in saying it. and your also right about roach, he's starting to come good now. now to ravi rampaul, i'd consider him a stop gap measure, WI should be developing their young fast bowlers, they have the history and they need to get it back to present. i think carlos brathwaite and jason holder are 2 great prospects for them, but holder probably needs to add a bit more pace otherwise he needs to look at joel garner footage.

Well I think it's because he came in with a lot of big scores when he was young and was really consistent. He was averaging a 50 in both FC's and List A's which is unheard of these days in WI. I feel he's got a very compact technique and temperamentally sound. I believe what's hindering him is confidence. Once he gets a big score, he'll become confident. Also I don't get why people knock on Brathwaite for his talent. I think people that say that didn't see enough clips of his batting when he was young. He's got great hand-eye coordination and can play some really nice orthodox shots.


I agree with you that Rampaul is more of a stop gap solution. I believe before anybody gets a chance, Russell should be the 1 who should come in. He's proven already how dangerous he can be with the ball and is a very prospect with the bat. I would definitely take him in.

Gowza
April 18, 2012, 09:35 AM
Well I think it's because he came in with a lot of big scores when he was young and was really consistent. He was averaging a 50 in both FC's and List A's which is unheard of these days in WI. I feel he's got a very compact technique and temperamentally sound. I believe what's hindering him is confidence. Once he gets a big score, he'll become confident. Also I don't get why people knock on Brathwaite for his talent. I think people that say that didn't see enough clips of his batting when he was young. He's got great hand-eye coordination and can play some really nice orthodox shots.


I agree with you that Rampaul is more of a stop gap solution. I believe before anybody gets a chance, Russell should be the 1 who should come in. He's proven already how dangerous he can be with the ball and is a very prospect with the bat. I would definitely take him in.

yes russell is a tremendous player

Tiger444
April 18, 2012, 11:37 AM
Gowza mate since your an Aussie we should talk about your team as well. I'll give my opinions about some of the players. I believe that Cowan is more of a stop gap solution and the selectors should be looking at other options. Warner is a superb talent but is still far too edgy for a Test batsmen. He definitely has to tighten up his technique if he wants to become a class batsman. That being said, he's still young and has time to work on his game but has a long ways to go. I have to say that Watson has been a huge disappointment so far in his Test career but hasn't been surprising. His technique is not nearly compact enough to be a top order batsman at this level. It seems you can drive a truck through bat-pad gap. I believe he also has to work on his technique if he wants to become a class batsman. I hate say this because Ponting is a legend but maybe this is the time to go? If there is another high class talent coming in, he should probably hang up his boots and give that talent a go. Clarke and Hussey are performing beautifully as usual. Wade is also another guy that should be invested time in. I'm glad they decided to let Haddin go and give this young guy chances. He's got a ways to go but this experience should do him good.

As for the Aussie bowling, you guys seem really set with the pacers. Siddle, Hilfy, Harris are all veteran guys and not slowing down at all. Then you have the young pacers in Pattinson, Starc and Cummins who all have immense potential and will do really well for years to come. As for the spinners, Lyon is starting to come up very nicely which is great to see. He might not become an all time great but I definitely believe he'll be solid. Beer, however doesn't seem to be the long term answer and the selectors should look for another spinner who can perform well when they are in need of 2 spinners in a match.

What is your opinion about this team?

Gowza
April 18, 2012, 06:50 PM
Gowza mate since your an Aussie we should talk about your team as well. I'll give my opinions about some of the players. I believe that Cowan is more of a stop gap solution and the selectors should be looking at other options. Warner is a superb talent but is still far too edgy for a Test batsmen. He definitely has to tighten up his technique if he wants to become a class batsman. That being said, he's still young and has time to work on his game but has a long ways to go. I have to say that Watson has been a huge disappointment so far in his Test career but hasn't been surprising. His technique is not nearly compact enough to be a top order batsman at this level. It seems you can drive a truck through bat-pad gap. I believe he also has to work on his technique if he wants to become a class batsman. I hate say this because Ponting is a legend but maybe this is the time to go? If there is another high class talent coming in, he should probably hang up his boots and give that talent a go. Clarke and Hussey are performing beautifully as usual. Wade is also another guy that should be invested time in. I'm glad they decided to let Haddin go and give this young guy chances. He's got a ways to go but this experience should do him good.

As for the Aussie bowling, you guys seem really set with the pacers. Siddle, Hilfy, Harris are all veteran guys and not slowing down at all. Then you have the young pacers in Pattinson, Starc and Cummins who all have immense potential and will do really well for years to come. As for the spinners, Lyon is starting to come up very nicely which is great to see. He might not become an all time great but I definitely believe he'll be solid. Beer, however doesn't seem to be the long term answer and the selectors should look for another spinner who can perform well when they are in need of 2 spinners in a match.

What is your opinion about this team?

well the aussie team atm is what it is because that's all we got tbh......we really don't have any better options other than older guys who don't have too much longer left i.e. david hussey, chris rogers etc. khwaja (did i spell it right?) he was meant to be a long term solution that didn't work out. warner was given a chance due to potential and although he has things to work on i reckon he's the best choice to take one of the opener spots atm. cowan i never really rated, saw his debuted match didn't reated him then but surprisingly to me the commentators of that match thought he would be a test prospect one day and look where he is, but yes stop gap presuming we can find someone (hughes was always meant to be a long term opener for us)......watson again is our best option atm....as far as ponting goes he's not what he use to be but better than the others in the country still, that's why they haven't brought anyone in for him imo. i mean we have guys like george bailey, steve smith, mark cosgrove, marsh maybe they should be given more chances, joe burns is doing well but i've never seen him so can't comment.

wade is our best keeper batsman i've no doubt about that, glad he's got his opportunity now.

as far as bowlers go, we are good with pacers. pattinson is the best prospect he'll be something special i think. cummins atm really just has pace, doesn't have the weapons that pattinson has. starc is decent, he'll be solid but i'm not sure he will be more than that....and as far as spinners go we have no one, steve smith they were trying to build as a good leg spin option, i'm not sure what he's doing with that but he hasn't really progressed.

Gowza
April 19, 2012, 09:33 PM
bishoo has been dropped for the 3rd test....kirk edwards is injured and can't play....fudadin has been called up. i reckon andrew richardson should been given some games, if they aren't calling up youngsters like holder and c brathwaite then richardson should get his chances.

Tiger444
April 19, 2012, 09:33 PM
well the aussie team atm is what it is because that's all we got tbh......we really don't have any better options other than older guys who don't have too much longer left i.e. david hussey, chris rogers etc. khwaja (did i spell it right?) he was meant to be a long term solution that didn't work out. warner was given a chance due to potential and although he has things to work on i reckon he's the best choice to take one of the opener spots atm. cowan i never really rated, saw his debuted match didn't reated him then but surprisingly to me the commentators of that match thought he would be a test prospect one day and look where he is, but yes stop gap presuming we can find someone (hughes was always meant to be a long term opener for us)......watson again is our best option atm....as far as ponting goes he's not what he use to be but better than the others in the country still, that's why they haven't brought anyone in for him imo. i mean we have guys like george bailey, steve smith, mark cosgrove, marsh maybe they should be given more chances, joe burns is doing well but i've never seen him so can't comment.

wade is our best keeper batsman i've no doubt about that, glad he's got his opportunity now.

as far as bowlers go, we are good with pacers. pattinson is the best prospect he'll be something special i think. cummins atm really just has pace, doesn't have the weapons that pattinson has. starc is decent, he'll be solid but i'm not sure he will be more than that....and as far as spinners go we have no one, steve smith they were trying to build as a good leg spin option, i'm not sure what he's doing with that but he hasn't really progressed.

Ya I think that Hughes is a better option then Cowan. Hughes is still a really young player and has tons of potential so he should be in the Test team. I thought Khawaja is a good player as well and should be in the team. Bailey and Marsh are good talents as well. So future looks good for Australia on the batting side.

I would say that Pattinson is the best young pace prospect right now in the world. He seems to have all the tools and is already a fully developed bowler. Also not to mention that he can hold his own with the bat. Cummins is definitely more raw but he's also very young and probably needs more time before he can be a good bowler. I think it's a better option to just develop Smith as a batsman. He didn't seem really any good with the ball and his strengths seem to lie with the bat.

Gowza
April 19, 2012, 10:24 PM
Ya I think that Hughes is a better option then Cowan. Hughes is still a really young player and has tons of potential so he should be in the Test team. I thought Khawaja is a good player as well and should be in the team. Bailey and Marsh are good talents as well. So future looks good for Australia on the batting side.

I would say that Pattinson is the best young pace prospect right now in the world. He seems to have all the tools and is already a fully developed bowler. Also not to mention that he can hold his own with the bat. Cummins is definitely more raw but he's also very young and probably needs more time before he can be a good bowler. I think it's a better option to just develop Smith as a batsman. He didn't seem really any good with the ball and his strengths seem to lie with the bat.

you're more optimistic than me with aussies batting prospects. we all knew for the last 15 or so years australia has had a ridiculous amount of talent with the bat, it was similar to WI's fast bowlers back in the 70s/80s, not only was the quality incredible but the depth was amazing to. it's just to go from such dominant players to just average ones.

despite pattinson being the best prospect right now he is injury prone, i fear his career will be affected because he tends to get a lot of back injuries, i know he had a couple before making to the aussie side and he's had issues since he's been in the side to (he is out of this series now with a back problem).

Tiger444
April 21, 2012, 08:30 PM
you're more optimistic than me with aussies batting prospects. we all knew for the last 15 or so years australia has had a ridiculous amount of talent with the bat, it was similar to WI's fast bowlers back in the 70s/80s, not only was the quality incredible but the depth was amazing to. it's just to go from such dominant players to just average ones.

despite pattinson being the best prospect right now he is injury prone, i fear his career will be affected because he tends to get a lot of back injuries, i know he had a couple before making to the aussie side and he's had issues since he's been in the side to (he is out of this series now with a back problem).

Ya it's understandable to see being pessimistic with the batting talent right now with Australia. Countries in general go through tough times and right now with Australia in rebuilding mode, some of the players will be frustrating but knowing the class of the Australian FC system, I'm sure class players will start coming out and performing.

Ya it's unfortunate that Pattinson is having so much trouble with his back. Hopefully it doesn't hinder him too much because he's a great talent.

Maysun
April 24, 2012, 10:48 AM
Wade scores his maiden century, and what a way to do it. Not on the easiest of the pitches and with the tail enders. BRAVO!

Gowza
April 24, 2012, 06:56 PM
^^pretty epic the way he did it to, hit a bunch of 6's and 2's as he was drawing closer, one over he was in the 70s the next it was high 90s. shut clarke up to saying he wants haddin back, how disrespectful towards wade.

Dilscoop
April 25, 2012, 01:28 AM
^ Clarke said that? I don't expect that from Clarke.

But Haddin is done for good. He is a trashole. Not to mention how horrible of he is at his job. Also showed what kind of a character he is when he decided to quit and go home at the beginning of this tour. He just gave up like a lil femaledog.

zsayeed
April 26, 2012, 01:52 PM
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-australia-2012/content/current/story/562851.html

NoName
April 26, 2012, 08:34 PM
Congratz Shivnarine, probably one of the last few, if not last, legend in the West Indies.

Tiger444
April 27, 2012, 08:39 AM
^ Clarke said that? I don't expect that from Clarke.

But Haddin is done for good. He is a trashole. Not to mention how horrible of he is at his job. Also showed what kind of a character he is when he decided to quit and go home at the beginning of this tour. He just gave up like a lil femaledog.

I heard he went back because his wife was having a baby and he needed to go back. I don't understand what the point is to call Haddin names like that. Very unnecessary and immature stuff.

Tiger444
April 27, 2012, 08:42 AM
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-australia-2012/content/current/story/562851.html

Congrats to Shivnarine Chanderpaul for such a great achievement. 1 of the great batsmen to play this game. I believe he still has some playing time left in the tank and should continue to play. He could really help this team continue to progress.

Tiger444
April 27, 2012, 08:46 AM
What ails Australia's best and brightest?

The cream of the next generation of batsmen seem to be struggling with technical flaws

There have been an alarming number of Test and Sheffield Shield batting collapses of late. From Australia's calamitous 47, to India's frequent capitulations, New Zealand's recent dramatic middle-order loss of 5 for 0, and Queensland almost surrendering the Sheffield Shield final - batting performances in the longer versions seem to have dropped off dramatically.

Perhaps we can blame the wickets. Groundsmen have seemingly been less inclined to roll out flat, docile pitches. James Sutherland's pleas last summer for better Shield pitches have fallen on deaf ears. Or maybe the new breed of bowling coach has stolen a march on his batting counterparts. Certainly Craig McDermott seems to have found the right ingredient for Australia's young band of quicks.

Or are batting techniques in a downward spiral? Perhaps the T20 catch-cry, "Clear the front foot and swing as hard as possible", is playing havoc with the techniques of young batsmen.

During another highly enjoyable summer in the Sheffield Shield, I had lots of chances to get up close and personal with several fringe Test batsmen. The struggles with technique of most were noticeable. For years as Australia ruled the cricket world, we were blessed with champions who churned out thousands of first-class runs before being selected - Mike Hussey passed 10,000 before his ascendency, and before that, Matthew Hayden must have despaired of ever getting a decent go at Test level.

Now as the guard changes, opportunities arrive for the new generation sooner than they did in the past - David Warner was around the 1000-run first-class mark when he got his baggy green. It has underlined the indifferent seasons the likes of Phil Hughes, Usman Khawaja, Shaun Marsh and Callum Ferguson have had.

The cricket public expects these young batsmen to have everything mentally and technically figured out when they are chosen, and that they should be the finished article, with complete understanding of their own games. Some, like Steve Smith, seem to be sorting things out, but others appear to have a fair way to go.

Perhaps my most fascinating time on the cricket field this year was stationed at mid-off while Andrew McDonald went to work on each of these young batsmen with his exceptionally intelligent medium-pacers - and talked me through his tactics. Without the gift of pace, "Ronnie" has had to learn the skill of bowling inside and out, and his mastery on a helpful pitch is comparable to any I've seen.

I'd reckon quite a few young hopefuls on Shield wickets this summer found batting against his crafty medium pace far tougher technically than fending off Brett Lee at the WACA ground. In the last round of Shield fixtures, Victoria overcame a disappointing New South Wales, with Ronnie bagging amazing match figures of 6 for 50 from 34 overs. In the process he passed the bats of Hughes and Khawaja with alarming regularity.

Hughes' shortcomings have been widely critiqued; less so Khawaja's. I first noticed his difficulty against the away-swinging ball in county cricket last year. In overcast conditions against a Tiflex ball that seemed to go around corners, Khawaja's open blade and front-on position had the slips cordon licking their lips - and sure enough, he obliged twice. In that game against Victoria he was twice out caught behind - a notable penchant that oppositions are sure to be pencilling into their black books.

In conversation with Ronnie and coach Greg Shipperd afterwards, it was commented on how far around Khawaja was turning his back foot during shots. The textbook says the back foot should be pointing towards point, not the bowler. That's causing his back hip and shoulder to swivel around, so that he is "squaring up". Often he seemed to be missing Ronnie's deliveries by six inches. It would seem to be a problem that can be solved, but the question is, does he know he is doing it? And if so, does he know how to fix it?

Swivelling into a front-on position is a left-hander's curse. Hughes also suffers from it, as Chris Martin managed to expose. The difficulty is that these two exceptionally gifted players are trying to fix things under the glare of an impatient media and public, and are feeling the pressure of expectation. The question for each is: when and how to fix it?

I've never believed in the notion of not working on technique because a match is pending. Should we take note of the fact that the top golf pros always have swing coaches on hand? To be the best you can be, you have to keep adjusting until most avenues are exhausted and discarded - even if that means doing it on match eve. Many will argue otherwise, and they will have valid points, but to get closer to the end of the road, experimentation needs to be continual. Sometimes it will be one step forward and two steps back, but that is the nature of the beast of batting.

Marsh is a southpaw with problems different from those of his NSW counterparts. His stem from his trigger movements - he doesn't have any. That's not to say that kind of technique hasn't been extremely effective for others. Hayden stood still and moved just once in his strokeplay - forward to full balls and back to shorter ones; but Hayden is a monster of a man who used his height to sublime and brutish effectiveness - often employing it to lean into wide balls as his foot went straight down the wicket.

Early in his innings, especially, Marsh often moves across very late, presenting his pad as a target and causing his swing to not come down in a straight line. When in form it all works like clockwork and he is imperious. When lacking form, it looks robotic and static.

Ferguson is another who could perhaps think about operating more in straight lines. He is a very clean hitter of the ball, but with a backswing heading towards gully it's almost impossible to be consistently meeting the ball with the full face of the bat. His line of swing is nice and straight when he drives half volleys, but when he has to defend he sometimes chops down on balls as his bat heads in the direction of midwicket.

Ronnie picked up on it and sent one straight through a gap between bat and pad. He then nicked Ferguson out in the return fixture. It is a curious technical dilemma, which might explain why Ferguson's one-day record is so good and his four-day one disappointing. In the shorter formats there is less defending and therefore his problem is less exposed. He is perhaps very much aware of it, but the skill is to fix it.

While no doubt all four are admirers of Simon Katich's toughness and resilience, I sometimes wonder if they have considered the merits of the somewhat ungainly Katich method of moving across and standing in the so-called corridor of uncertainty. Ugly as he might look to many, Katich is perfectly upright and balanced, his head is over the line of the ball, he knows exactly where his stumps are, and he plays in straight lines. Once he's settled, the bowlers are forced to bowl something other than line and length in the corridor, and Katich has been able to cash in, particularly when they try to hit his exposed leg stump.

Smith played McDonald best of all at the SCG. He was much more selective of the wide ones he loves to thrash through the covers, and there were fewer hoicks over cow corner, yet he didn't lose his ability to despatch bad balls to the fence.

All the five batsmen mentioned are naturally talented players and have been singled out by the national selectors. All have good records in T20 but have some difficulty adapting to the different demands of each form of the game.

Just about any top-class batsman will be able to reel off the mentors who have had the most influence on him. Whether it is fathers or coaches or team-mates or even opposition players, these people are vital in spotting problems and helping fix them. But the demands of T20 have added a new dimension to batting techniques. Teams everywhere are splashing out on full-time bowling coaches, but seem less inclined to recruit batting coaches.

Perhaps a new type of batting coach is needed - a coach who has played T20 and is skilled in converting players back into the techniques of the first-class game rather than the other way round. When that happens, the batting collapses that are causing such consternation in cricket circles may become a thing of the past.

Source: Cricinfo

zsayeed
April 27, 2012, 11:07 AM
West Indies always lacks somewhere...if only they clicked better. Tail always gave them trouble, and the batsmen have hard time amongst good times. They could have done so much better!

Tiger444
April 27, 2012, 11:48 AM
It's really a shame that the WI selectors continue to leave out a guy like Gayle out of the team. Their top order is just way too young and inexperienced. Having a guy like Gayle alongsides Barath, Brathwaite, and Powell could do wonders for them. Also I know I've dismissed the notion of having Pollard for Test matches, but watching the way Sammy has batted, I think Pollard could be a very good Test batsman as well. He's also really young still so he has plenty of time to learn. Bottom line is that if you continue to leave your best players out, your not going to be able to beat teams like Australia.