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Rabz
April 16, 2012, 08:44 AM
Law has left the building.
We thank him for his service and wish him best of luck.

So, who's next ??
Who do you think BCB should be looking for now ??

It is a very interesting situation at the moment.
Right after the world cup when Law took over, we were looking down the barrel.
But one week of Asia Cup changed everything.
Now there is light at the end of the tunnel and we are on the ascend.

What type of coach fits us now ??

Personally, I'd like to see someone from a different school of thought.
What I mean by that is may be someone from South Africa/England.
We have had few Australians in a row.

Who do you suggest ??

MohammedC
April 16, 2012, 08:55 AM
Firstly I want someone who is willing to move to Bangladesh with his family for the duration of his contract, that way he will not miss his family and take holiday every month and spend more time in Bangladesh Cricket team.

Naimul_Hd
April 16, 2012, 08:57 AM
Firstly I want someone who is willing to move to Bangladesh with his family for the duration of his contract, that way he will not miss his family and take holiday every month and spend more time in Bangladesh Cricket team.

or, to pick someone who has no family obligations at all ?

*hint* *hint* :)

Equinox
April 16, 2012, 08:59 AM
Mick Newell the Notts coach was interested the last time. He could be a good appointment. BCB were chasing Vincent Barnes quite aggressively the last time but he wasn't interested. Wonder if he'd be interested this time now that his contract wasn't renewed by South Africa. I personally would have loved to have Graham Ford as the next coach but he's taken over at Sri Lanka. One person I don't think would be a good fit for us is Dean Jones. He is too eccentric and given the spat he had with Tamim in the BPL it would bring unnecessary tension into the dressing room.

senman
April 16, 2012, 09:08 AM
Firstly I want someone who is willing to move to Bangladesh with his family for the duration of his contract, that way he will not miss his family and take holiday every month and spend more time in Bangladesh Cricket team.

Exactly. Well said. I agree that family is important but its not even a year Stuart law took up the helm so why does he applied(for the position) when he couldn't handle it? any man who is well paid as he can always bring his family here.

Better go for a local coach and rotational foreign coaches (my idea :) ) that way every 4 months a coach can go home and the regular coach will maintain the order in the meantime. It also gives an opportunity to be flexible to go for batting or bowling or strategy coach whichever is the need of the hour.

al-Sagar
April 16, 2012, 09:08 AM
Ian pont

Razi
April 16, 2012, 09:41 AM
:-por, to pick someone who has no family obligations at all ?

*hint* *hint* :)

Hahahahaha, :floor:. Although he may not have family obligations but he does have someone else to look after. :P

rinathq
April 16, 2012, 09:46 AM
Dean Jones was approached by BCB to fill up and he is interested
sorry Tamim

mufi_02
April 16, 2012, 09:53 AM
Dean Jones was approached by BCB to fill up and he is interested
sorry Tamim

Source? I don't think Jones is a good choice. He is very outspoken and will get into some fights with BCB in first few weeks.

MohammedC
April 16, 2012, 09:55 AM
Source? I don't think Jones is a good choice. He is very outspoken and will get into some fights with BCB in first few weeks.


Dean Jones ‏ @ProfDeano Close
Yes the Bangladesh Cricket Board has asked me if I would e interested to coach the national team.. Considering options

https://twitter.com/#!/ProfDeano

Naimul_Hd
April 16, 2012, 09:56 AM
Dean Jones may be egoistic type person but he's a very strict and disciplined just exactly what we need for some of our lazy players.

mufi_02
April 16, 2012, 09:57 AM
Ahhh..not a good choice. By the way what are his credentials as a coach?

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 10:06 AM
Dean Jones ‏ @ProfDeano Close
Yes the Bangladesh Cricket Board has asked me if I would e interested to coach the national team.. Considering options

https://twitter.com/#!/ProfDeano

Oh man, seem's like I am on a role!

Guess it's weird I predicted the future, haha.

The only thing that puts me off is the Hashim Amla incident.

roman
April 16, 2012, 10:08 AM
Ahhh..not a good choice. By the way what are his credentials as a coach?
I dont know much about his credentials as a coach but AFAIK he was turned down by both India and Pakistan.

zsayeed
April 16, 2012, 10:08 AM
Dean Jones ‏ @ProfDeano Close
Yes the Bangladesh Cricket Board has asked me if I would e interested to coach the national team.. Considering options

https://twitter.com/#!/ProfDeano

Tahoilei hoise Tamim - er khobor.

Mahmood
April 16, 2012, 10:09 AM
Ian pont

Absolutely!

MohammedC
April 16, 2012, 10:09 AM
Oh man, seem's like I am on a role!

Guess it's weird I predicted the future, haha.

Its your Eid. You got your wishes. Stuart Law out of Bangladesh Cricket Team and Dean Jones approached.

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 10:12 AM
Tahoilei hoise Tamim - er khobor.

BCB nicely attacking Tamim internally:)

Dean Jone's aggressive coach - not afraid to have a go at you!

I will take Dean Jone's over anyone even Staurt Law!

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 10:13 AM
Its your Eid. You got your wishes. Stuart Law out of Bangladesh Cricket Team and Dean Jones approached.

but micheal bevan:( haha

mufi_02
April 16, 2012, 10:14 AM
Looks like Jones doesn't have any noteworthy coaching experience. Few stint here and there. Turned down by India in 2005 and by Pakistan in 2011. BCB approached him immediately and that might suggest he is in the top list.

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 10:19 AM
Looks like Jones doesn't have any noteworthy coaching experience. Few stint here and there. Turned down by India in 2005 and by Pakistan in 2011. BCB approached him immediately and that might suggest he is in the top list.


I hope Dean Jone's get a good bowling or Battling specialist!

I would also approach Waqar Younis (Head Coach) & Sourav Ganguly (BT Consultant) !

Night_wolf
April 16, 2012, 10:20 AM
i would like to see a run with pont

if not then newell..but i guess none of my options will have it in the end

zsayeed
April 16, 2012, 10:21 AM
Get a non-australian now.

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 10:22 AM
i would like to see a run with pont

if not then newell..but i guess none of my options will have it in the end

Ian Pont, are u saying on a serious note?

He got rejected by PCB as bowling coach, what make's u think he should be Head Coach?

Night_wolf
April 16, 2012, 10:28 AM
Ian Pont, are u saying on a serious note?

He got rejected by PCB as bowling coach, what make's u think he should be Head Coach?

he is a BC celebrity:goal:

anyway on a serious note the guy brags a lot but its ok if one can back up his words with performance, he won the BPL as the DG head coach, so it wont be a bad idea to see him with the National team for a run

roman
April 16, 2012, 10:29 AM
Get a non-australian now.

Although I have nothing against Australian coaches but I thing a change won't be that bad..would prefer someone from England or South Africa..

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 10:36 AM
he is a BC celebrity:goal:

anyway on a serious note the guy brags a lot but its ok if one can back up his words with performance, he won the BPL as the DG head coach, so it wont be a bad idea to see him with the National team for a run

so does it mean that Chennai has won IPL more than once, can we hire the coach of Chennai Super Kings, I am sure he will be more than happy:)

oronnya
April 16, 2012, 10:39 AM
Who are available?? a SA or Eng coach would be good...

nanabhai ke chai na..

DG coach er jonno jite nai.. jitse star playerder jonno

zinatf
April 16, 2012, 10:45 AM
What's wrong with aussie coach?

Anyways, would like to see Bevan :D

If from England, then Naser Hussein.....or else get Sir Gary Sobers :)

Saifulsohel
April 16, 2012, 10:56 AM
Dean Jones the Aussie Batsman and the batting coach of Chittagong Kings on twitter.

"Yes the Bangladesh Cricket Board has asked me if I would e interested to coach the national team Considering options"

He had a average of 45+ in both TEST&ODI source:http://m.facebook.com/BPLT20.31dec2011?refid=52&m_sess=1GjA28-zV1lUFe1&_ft_=qid.5732027417436303954%3Amf_story_key.-8294122994643799640

Naimul_Hd
April 16, 2012, 10:58 AM
The best candidate for us would be 'Phil Simmons' but too bad, he has already extended his contract for Ireland for next 2 years finishing in 2014.

zinatf
April 16, 2012, 10:59 AM
Dean Jones, eh? Hmm.....hope another Chappell story doesn't go in the making!

zinatf
April 16, 2012, 11:06 AM
Here's the tweet from Dean Jones as mentioned earlier:

https://twitter.com/#!/ProfDeano/status/191868632769372160

Dilscoop
April 16, 2012, 11:06 AM
Oh man, seem's like I am on a role!

Guess it's weird I predicted the future, haha.

The only thing that puts me off is the Hashim Amla incident.
Well in that case you predict the most horrifying things.

Witch!!!

Ian Pont
April 16, 2012, 11:16 AM
Ian Pont, are u saying on a serious note?

He got rejected by PCB as bowling coach, what make's u think he should be Head Coach?

Do you know something I don't? Or are you just making things up? The PCB hasn't even interviewed yet buddy. Get your facts right before you spread untruths.

mufi_02
April 16, 2012, 11:19 AM
Good to see you back Ian.

If the Pak opportunity doesn't work out, would you consider applying for BD Head Coach?

Nadim
April 16, 2012, 11:29 AM
J. Boycott
<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition (Blackberry)

Dilscoop
April 16, 2012, 11:30 AM
Do you know something I don't? Or are you just making things up? The PCB hasn't even interviewed yet buddy. Get your facts right before you spread untruths.
LOL :facepalm:. Please forgive the witch, he/she is overexcited by all the predictions he/she has been making.

akabir77
April 16, 2012, 11:38 AM
my first choice Richard Mcinnes.
Second Ian
And no way we should get dean. he was the first one to get axed in related to fixing... we don't want that stuff.

Night_wolf
April 16, 2012, 11:44 AM
J. Boycott
<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition (Blackberry)

and his mother for fielding coach!

MarufH
April 16, 2012, 11:46 AM
Wish List:

1. Mick Newell
2. Ian Pont
3. Richard McInnes
4. Trevor Bayliss
5. Wasim Akram
6. Waqar Younis
7. Rahul Dravid
8. Ganguly
9. Shane Warne
10. Geoff Lawson
11. Ross Turner
12. Alan Campbell
13. Michael Bevan
14. Stephen Fleming

Not so Wish list:

1. Dean Jones
2. Shane Jurgensen
3. Robin Singh
4. J. Boycott

zsayeed
April 16, 2012, 11:52 AM
i would like a sub-continent coach, preferrably from pakistan or west-bengal. player rapport will be good.

mufi_02
April 16, 2012, 11:56 AM
Like Maruf bhai's list. Except number 4 and 5. They are current KKR Coaches and who knows they might bench Shakib and let Shahadat play :-p :head:

MarufH
April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
Like Maruf bhai's list. Except number 4 and 5. They are current KKR Coaches and who knows they might bench Shakib and let Shahadat play :-p :head:
thanks, bhai. thats why we are gonna steal their coach. ;)

mufi_02
April 16, 2012, 12:06 PM
And not let them coach. We will get Khaled Mahmud and Sarwar Imran coach the team. Ahh what sweet revenge!

MohammedC
April 16, 2012, 12:08 PM
LOL :facepalm:. Please forgive the witch, he/she is overexcited by all the predictions he/she has been making.

At least that will stop him spreading rumours.

Shubho
April 16, 2012, 12:12 PM
Shakib should be player-coach. If the rest of the team can adopt his attitude, we'll have made a great leap forward.

We can have foreigners come in for 2/3-month stints as consultants.

Ajfar
April 16, 2012, 12:15 PM
LBW bhai must be the happiest person in the world right now.

Next head coach = LBW bhai

Rabz
April 16, 2012, 12:19 PM
No one from ind-pak please. We already have enough politics and drama kings in the team & board.
Last thing we need is the coach being the Mastermind of it all.

MarufH
April 16, 2012, 12:20 PM
LBW bhai must be the happiest person in the world right now.

Next head coach = LBW bhai

lol. :D

Rifat
April 16, 2012, 12:24 PM
Ian Pont, i mean come one man.... This man OPENLY expressed massive interest, what more proof do you want, BCB? after the BPL stunt with Dhaka Gladiators, his continuous support and interest for the advancement of our cricket, he should be the first choice. Is money an issue? It shouldn't be.....

oronnya
April 16, 2012, 12:24 PM
What's wrong with aussie coach?

Anyways, would like to see Bevan :D

If from England, then Naser Hussein.....or else get Sir Gary Sobers :)

Na na Bevan na .. er shatheo na Tamim er ganjam lagsilo.. :D

Shubho
April 16, 2012, 12:28 PM
Offer Ian Pont a lake-facing, two-bedroom condo in Gulshan-2, two maids and a houseboy, a chauffeured Toyota Corolla, a $4,000/month salary, a $1,000 bonus for every match we win, and we have ourselves a deal. Otherwise, promote Shakib to player-coach.

simon
April 16, 2012, 12:31 PM
Nobojatok Siddhu, any one with me?

Shubho
April 16, 2012, 12:47 PM
Nobojatok Siddhu, any one with me?

How 'bout noooo.

Nadim
April 16, 2012, 12:48 PM
LBW bhai must be the happiest person in the world right now.

Next head coach = LBW bhai

Ditto Ajfar miah. apnar budd'ir tulona korte hoy.:goal:

Equinox
April 16, 2012, 01:04 PM
i would like a sub-continent coach, preferrably from pakistan or west-bengal. player rapport will be good.
No thank you. Didn't work in the past, won't work now. Any good coach should be able to build a good rapport with their players. They don't need to be from a specific region for that.

Jadukor
April 16, 2012, 01:38 PM
We do not need cricket celebrities with zero coaching experience like Ganguly, Wasim, Lara Dean Jones etc. Those guys are only good for short stints of 1-2 months and most are interested in such type of contracts as well.
A good player does not equate to a good coach or a captain.

I would like to see someone with a minimum of first class coaching experience. I also want to see someone who is genuinely interested in the development of our cricket and not use us as a transitionary tool to get better contracts with other nations.

HereWeGo
April 16, 2012, 01:57 PM
We do not need cricket celebrities with zero coaching experience like Ganguly, Wasim, Lara Dean Jones etc. Those guys are only good for short stints of 1-2 months and most are interested in such type of contracts as well.
A good player does not equate to a good coach or a captain.

I would like to see someone with a minimum of first class coaching experience. I also want to see someone who is genuinely interested in the development of our cricket and not use us as a transitionary tool to get better contracts with other nations.

A good coach is a great motivator, smart tactician, good communicator and someone who can command respect.
Dean Jones got all those qualities!! Also a great player can definately command more respect compared to average players with little playing experience..

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 02:05 PM
Do you know something I don't? Or are you just making things up? The PCB hasn't even interviewed yet buddy. Get your facts right before you spread untruths.

Let us all wait and see togerther, united as one:)

and just a question to you:

can you tell me the difference between you or Wasim Akram/ Waqar Younis if hired as Bowling Coach?

Jadukor
April 16, 2012, 02:09 PM
A good coach is a great motivator, smart tactician, good communicator and someone who can command respect.
Dean Jones got all those qualities!! Also a great player can definately command more respect compared to average players with little playing experience..
I totally agree on the qualities of a good coach. If a coach with those qualities also has playing experience at the international level then that's even better.

However, a safe way to assess whether a potential coach has those qualities is to look at that person's past records as a coach. If he has none then we are looking at a considerably higher risk of failure (e.g Kapil Dev). I am not sure what leadership qualities Dean Jones has (perhaps you can pass on more info) but as far as I am concerned he seems like a highly talented but volatile personality prone to media outbursts and altercations with the authority.

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 02:14 PM
My Combination: Dean Jones - Head Coach
Micheal Bevan - Batting Consultant
Waqar Younis - Bowling Coach (Unlikely)

Micheal Bevan to help Shakib & Nasir Become the greatest finishers:)

Kabir
April 16, 2012, 02:23 PM
Let us all wait and see togerther, united as one:)

and just a question to you:

can you tell me the difference between you or Wasim Akram/ Waqar Younis if hired as Bowling Coach?

The least you can do is say sorry to Ian for spreading nonsense.

Also, even if pak rejects a coach, doesn't necessarily make that coach a bad option for the rest of the world. Since when have pak been setting standards (except in fixing matches)?

MarufH
April 16, 2012, 02:35 PM
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MarufH
April 16, 2012, 02:35 PM
The least you can do is say sorry to Ian for spreading nonsense.

Also, even if pak rejects a coach, doesn't necessarily make that coach a bad option for the rest of the world. Since when have pak been setting standards (except in fixing matches)?

I second that, pulapain beyadob hoiya gese. :D

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 02:47 PM
I second that, pulapain beyadob hoiya gese. :D

I am sorry Ian Pont, Sincerly apologise!

zsayeed
April 16, 2012, 02:49 PM
No thank you. Didn't work in the past, won't work now. Any good coach should be able to build a good rapport with their players. They don't need to be from a specific region for that.

How long ago did it not work?

zsayeed
April 16, 2012, 02:52 PM
Who are available?? a SA or Eng coach would be good...

nanabhai ke chai na..

DG coach er jonno jite nai.. jitse star playerder jonno

Coach and a star captain/player like Ashraful! Thank You Very Much.

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 03:01 PM
Coach and a star captain/player like Ashraful! Thank You Very Much.

let me enlighten your knowledge!

Imran Nazir in T20 is known as a Star!
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/40563.html

Azher Mahmood played brillantly!
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/39024.html

Mashrafe always does well!

Kieron Pollard, We know him well!

On Paper DG had a strong team.

please tell me what the role was for the coach?

Barisal without big star's went to the final, can we make the coach (Bangladeshi) - head coach of Bangladesh?

cricheart
April 16, 2012, 03:04 PM
Bangladesh so far been very lucky to be coached by a lot of well renowned ones from different countries. Why not give chance someone till WC from local with less ego problems and more suportive to Lotus. Only then we can assure long term contracted coach in Bangladesh.

zsayeed
April 16, 2012, 03:16 PM
let me enlighten your knowledge!

Imran Nazir in T20 is known as a Star!
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/40563.html

Azher Mahmood played brillantly!
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/39024.html

Mashrafe always does well!

Kieron Pollard, We know him well!

On Paper DG had a strong team.

please tell me what the role was for the coach?

Barisal without big star's went to the final, can we make the coach (Bangladeshi) - head coach of Bangladesh?

Yes, but at the helm of those was Coach and Captain - can't deny that can you? :P
You try leading a bunch of super stars and tell us about your headaches. :P

And please do enlighten how you deal with stars... please.

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 03:19 PM
Yes, but at the helm of those was Coach and Captain - can't deny that can you? :P
You try leading a bunch of super stars and tell us about your headaches. :P

Mashrafe a great Captain, real fighter yes!

If the coach was given a team like Sylhet royal's do you think, they make it to finals?

Barisal played really well, it does'nt make the coach great, why?

mufi_02
April 16, 2012, 03:20 PM
let me enlighten your knowledge!

Imran Nazir in T20 is known as a Star!
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/40563.html

Azher Mahmood played brillantly!
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/39024.html

Mashrafe always does well!

Kieron Pollard, We know him well!

On Paper DG had a strong team.

please tell me what the role was for the coach?

Barisal without big star's went to the final, can we make the coach (Bangladeshi) - head coach of Bangladesh?

Barisal rode heavily on Gayle and then on Shehzad. Yes, DG was a strong team but Ian had to utilize his resources properly to win the cup. He even gave newbie Anamul chances in the midst of so many well known players. Sometimes its not about coaches but also about strategy and tactics.

I mentioned it before too. India thrived under Kirsten and become WC champions and number 1 test team. But then they were thrashed in Eng, Aus, Asia cup. Now clearly the core of the team have not changed much but see how pathetic they have become under Fletcher. Coach has to inspire, motivate, innovate, and utilize the team. Ian was able to do that with DG and won BPL. He deserves credits for that.

On the other hand, why do you think Dean Jones would be such a great coach for us?

zsayeed
April 16, 2012, 03:20 PM
Still waiting on your game-plan to herald a bunch of stars!

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 03:23 PM
Yes, but at the helm of those was Coach and Captain - can't deny that can you? :P
You try leading a bunch of super stars and tell us about your headaches. :P

And please do enlighten how you deal with stars... please.

Great Coach's show the talent from starting with raw material. I will tell from football example, Sir Alex Ferguson, when first appointed as manager of Man Utd, they were amongst the lowest team in the premier league. today look at them! he built the team! tell me if the so called coach can do that! and do you not think if ferguson wen't to real or barca, he can't win trophies?

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 03:25 PM
Barisal rode heavily on Gayle and then on Shehzad. Yes, DG was a strong team but Ian had to utilize his resources properly to win the cup. He even gave newbie Anamul chances in the midst of so many well known players. Sometimes its not about coaches but also about strategy and tactics.

I mentioned it before too. India thrived under Kirsten and become WC champions and number 1 test team. But then they were thrashed in Eng, Aus, Asia cup. Now clearly the core of the team have not changed much but see how pathetic they have become under Fletcher. Coach has to inspire, motivate, innovate, and utilize the team. Ian was able to do that with DG and won BPL. He deserves credits for that.

On the other hand, why do you think Dean Jones would be such a great coach for us?

he has the great motivational skills whether it is through hard words being said or soft speech! His talent as batsmen can be seen.

Ian Pont
April 16, 2012, 03:26 PM
let me enlighten your knowledge!

Imran Nazir in T20 is known as a Star!
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/40563.html

Azher Mahmood played brillantly!
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/39024.html

Mashrafe always does well!

Kieron Pollard, We know him well!

On Paper DG had a strong team.

please tell me what the role was for the coach?

Barisal without big star's went to the final, can we make the coach (Bangladeshi) - head coach of Bangladesh?

Let me help... most people felt on paper that Khulna had the best side, along with Chittagong. Mo Isam even tipped Rajshahi to win the BPL.

But even if you have a strong side, you have to balance it and motivate players.

Let me remind you that nobody wanted Mashrafe at auction. We were the only franchise to bid. I wanted him and put faith in him. We even made him captain.

No one can ever seem to get the best out of Ashraful, Yet we did. he was terrific.

We signed 'unknown" Darren Stevens, who was a great signing and solid T20 player. No one else bid for him.

We backed Anamul Bijoy and gave him the chance of batting. He repaid our faith with some wonderful cricket.

We backed Elias Sunny as a main spinner and he ended up leading wicket-taker and MVP local player in the BPL.

We backed Nazmul Hossian when no one else bid for him.

The bottom line? Dhaka Gladiators used and backed the local talent when it was not obvious they would do well. They played an important role in keeping the team winning. but most of all we had a great team spirit and fielded really well, too. We could see this uplift in local talent in the Asia Cup, too. The BPL was clearly a major factor in why the Bangladesh squad did so well.

It's not about the big names, bhai. That's way too obvious, or anyone could be a Head Coach. It's about the blend of players, tactics and motivation to get the right result. That's the skill of a coach.

I hope this helps you grasp what went on in the BPL for DG to triumph.

mufi_02
April 16, 2012, 03:27 PM
What is the proof of Jones' motivational skills? Also, how do we know that Ian or other coaches don't possess the same skills?

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 03:31 PM
What is the proof of Jones' motivational skills? Also, how do we know that Ian or other coaches don't possess the same skills?

they have the same skill's without proven record as players!

look at dean jone's as a batsmen, great.

and how come's other nation's not interested in great coach's like Ian?

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 03:32 PM
Let me help... most people felt on paper that Khulna had the best side, along with Chittagong. Mo Isam even tipped Rajshahi to win the BPL.

But even if you have a strong side, you have to balance it and motivate players.

Let me remind you that nobody wanted Mashrafe at auction. We were the only franchise to bid. I wanted him and put faith in him. We even made him captain.

No one can ever seem to get the best out of Ashraful, Yet we did. he was terrific.

We signed 'unknown" Darren Stevens, who was a great signing and solid T20 player. No one else bid for him.

We backed Anamul Bijoy and gave him the chance of batting. He repaid our faith with some wonderful cricket.

We backed Elias Sunny as a main spinner and he ended up leading wicket-taker and MVP local player in the BPL.

We backed Nazmul Hossian when no one else bid for him.

The bottom line? Dhaka Gladiators used and backed the local talent when it was not obvious they would do well. They played an important role in keeping the team winning. but most of all we had a great team spirit and fielded really well, too. We could see this uplift in local talent in the Asia Cup, too. The BPL was clearly a major factor in why the Bangladesh squad did so well.

It's not about the big names, bhai. That's way too obvious, or anyone could be a Head Coach. It's about the blend of players, tactics and motivation to get the right result. That's the skill of a coach.

I hope this helps you grasp what went on in the BPL for DG to triumph.

so what did barisal bangladeshi coach did that got them to the final?

mufi_02
April 16, 2012, 03:38 PM
Ian deserves due credit to win the cup with DG. There is no denying that. Barisal came to final coz of Gayle and Shehzad. I also believe he will be a good candidate for Head Coach position. His passion for our cricket is also unmatched. Honestly, I think Ian would be better than Jones. Dean was a good batsmen but that doesn't mean Tendulkar would be the greatest coach of all time too.

If Ian becomes coach, Nazmul and Anamul would be automatic choice :)..

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 03:42 PM
Ian deserves due credit to win the cup with DG. There is no denying that. Barisal came to final coz of Gayle and Shehzad. I also believe he will be a good candidate for Head Coach position. His passion for our cricket is also unmatched. Honestly, I think Ian would be better than Jones. Dean was a good batsmen but that doesn't mean Tendulkar would be the greatest coach of all time too.

If Ian becomes coach, Nazmul and Anamul would be automatic choice :)..

please have a look: so therefore Imran Nazir & Azher Mahmood won it for DG?
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=7188;team=4998;type=tourn ament

Navel ul Hasan was also a good part in DG bowling set-up!
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=7188;team=4998;type=to urnament

zsayeed
April 16, 2012, 03:43 PM
Why don't you ask the Barisal coach that?

MSM B2C
April 16, 2012, 03:44 PM
Why don't you ask the Barisal coach that?

I wan't to hear from the coach that tasted success with big stars:)

zsayeed
April 16, 2012, 03:50 PM
A if he is responsible for all the teams. What are you getting at?

Ian Pont
April 16, 2012, 03:53 PM
so what did barisal bangladeshi coach did that got them to the final?

We tried to use the local talent - other sides loaded the batting order and bowling line up with their overseas and gave priority to the foreign players over those locals. We tried to give the responsibility evenly, and not just because we had to.

I feel coaches have to do what they feel it best for the squad they have. Clearly BB relied EXTREMELY heavily on the big names - and they did perform well. But it can't have been easy for Shariar Nafees to slip down the order and eventually be left out as Icon player and captain.

The final against BB was terribly one-sided unfortunately. Most fans would have preferred a Khulna vs Dhaka final. The semi-final against Khulna was probably the best match in the BPL. Shakib played the best innings I have seen from him.

zsayeed
April 16, 2012, 04:50 PM
Daily Star (http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=230409)

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff430/zsayeed/jones.jpg

Now, Can we quote BC source as Ian's intent? Ian?
If twitter is a good source of news, and gets upheld in court as well? How about BC?

AMD128
April 16, 2012, 04:56 PM
Daily Star (http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=230409)

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff430/zsayeed/jones.jpg

Dean Jones? Another Australian? Why? :/ And why Sourav Ganguly the guy who is still playing IPL? -__- Please, I do hope BCB find a coach that is also a great motivator & game planner like Law.

zsayeed
April 16, 2012, 05:01 PM
Why not Ganguly?! I always liked him. Good for the team.

Ian Pont
April 16, 2012, 05:01 PM
Daily Star (http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=230409)

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff430/zsayeed/jones.jpg

Now, Can we quote BC source as Ian's intent? Ian?
If twitter is a good source of news, and gets upheld in court as well? How about BC?

What intent..where?

zsayeed
April 16, 2012, 05:02 PM
What intent..where?

:) I was fishing...:)
and hoping

zsayeed
April 16, 2012, 05:06 PM
"It has nothing to do with the Pakistan tour," he said, adding that he would complete a year on the job in June before heading to Australia to join his family.
http://images.newscred.com/e1d0079e15a1ceda918c25467c6cc5c0?height=417&width=625
http://india.nydailynews.com/newsarticle/4f8c6b6849aa8a5b32000000/stuart-law-to-quit-as-bangladesh-cricket-coach

AMD128
April 16, 2012, 05:07 PM
Why not Ganguly?! I always liked him. Good for the team.

Ganguly as a batsmen back in the days was simply spectacular. But I don't know about his coaching experiences. So, If he doesn't have much experiences in coaching. I don't think recruiting him would be a good idea.

AMD128
April 16, 2012, 05:09 PM
We tried to use the local talent - other sides loaded the batting order and bowling line up with their overseas and gave priority to the foreign players over those locals. We tried to give the responsibility evenly, and not just because we had to.

I feel coaches have to do what they feel it best for the squad they have. Clearly BB relied EXTREMELY heavily on the big names - and they did perform well. But it can't have been easy for Shariar Nafees to slip down the order and eventually be left out as Icon player and captain.

The final against BB was terribly one-sided unfortunately. Most fans would have preferred a Khulna vs Dhaka final. The semi-final against Khulna was probably the best match in the BPL. Shakib played the best innings I have seen from him.

Hey don't forget about the 1st encounter of DG vs BB on Feb 14th. Where Gayle made 116 off 61 balls. :D :D That was also one of the best T20 matches I've seen. To be honest. DG supporters' hearts were thumping while Gayle was in the middle. :-p It was a great match.

Leafs PWN
April 16, 2012, 06:03 PM
I would prefer a coach from the sub continent this time.

crikss
April 16, 2012, 06:54 PM
so what did barisal bangladeshi coach did that got them to the final?

you are quite irritating :facepalm:


About Coach..I think this time we should go with someone from South Africa

RazabQ
April 16, 2012, 06:55 PM
MSM B2C - your posts are fast approaching troll country in the manner you are going after one particular poster. That the poster happens to be someone who has done more for BD cricket (as a coach) than I daresay you or I have (as fans) makes your behavior particularly egregious. Please cease and desist. Consider this your first warning!

- Moderator

zsayeed
April 16, 2012, 09:18 PM
I wish I could have said that!:up:

Thank YOU.

jeesh
April 16, 2012, 10:02 PM
I have a feeling we ll be chasing Ganguly this time.

tiger_army
April 16, 2012, 10:34 PM
My 3 choices-
Warney
Dada
Pollock

Tigers_eye
April 16, 2012, 10:58 PM
RM should be approached. Pont should be in one of the main man after DG success. Please no to Bayliss.

jeesh
April 16, 2012, 11:25 PM
My 3 choices-
Warney
Dada
Pollock

Warne- Number 1 we cant afford him. Number 2, he is too unpredictable and has disciplinary issues. Doubt our think tank will want our boys to be exposed to that. But cricketing wise Warne can be a top quality coach because of his ability to motivate others. He was a superb captain whenever he had the opportunity and did a fantastic job with Rajasthan Royals.

Pollock- Doubt he would leave his exciting high paid IPL job for us

Dada- Looks a possibility. And its no secret our president also admires the guy. Either this will be a brilliant move or a flop.

jeesh
April 16, 2012, 11:26 PM
RM should be approached. Pont should be in one of the main man after DG success. Please no to Bayliss.

Why no Bayliss? He did a terrific job with Sri Lanka. Has a wealth of experience, good motivator, father figure. Dont judge him by his IPL performance. Even Whatmore or Bucanan didnt have luck with KKR.

Rifat
April 16, 2012, 11:29 PM
Ian Pont and Mohammad Ashraful Motin makes a deadly combo ;)

jeesh
April 16, 2012, 11:31 PM
Ganguly as a batsmen back in the days was simply spectacular. But I don't know about his coaching experiences. So, If he doesn't have much experiences in coaching. I don't think recruiting him would be a good idea.

This could be a risky move, but also a brilliant one.

Pros-
Real leader. Will instill aggression, bravery and fighting spirit in our time

Knows our language, culture, cricket. Can relate to us much better than say an Aussie coach

Will incite a lot of passion in Bangladeshi cricket. We are talking about a legend here. Kids will take active interest, and want to be coached by the great Ganguly.

Cons-
Limited or no coaching experience. But as far as i gather he is playing the lead role in Pune Warriors. Not only as a player and captain, but also as a mentor and coach.

Might prefer Indian coaching staff for specialist roles.

patriot
April 17, 2012, 12:13 AM
I think it would be truly disappointing if at all BCB really wants this Dean Jones Guy .He is a walking time bomb and has had problems captaining his team while being captain at Derbyshire and Victoria. Not to the forget his recent problems with Tamim .

BCB should stick to its word and should stop hiring Australian coaches . There are plenty of good coaches in the English and South Africa domestic leagues who I am sure if given a chance wouldn't do worse than Jamie or Stuart.

layperson
April 17, 2012, 12:32 AM
What intent..where?

Since you ask "what intent .. where", lets get your clear view on this. Would you be interested in coaching the bangladesh national team? Its an earnest question from a bangladeshi fan. This should put away all doubts about intent either in a positive way or negative.

fuadomar
April 17, 2012, 12:39 AM
Mashrafe a great Captain, real fighter yes!

If the coach was given a team like Sylhet royal's do you think, they make it to finals?

Barisal played really well, it does'nt make the coach great, why?
It was an open bidding; All had equal options and money. It was Ian who built the team with the owners. Why didn't Stuart pick the players for Sylhet Royals that DG took? You can always look back at the past and think that it was the destiny, but it needs to be earned, nothing is for granted.

Shehwar
April 17, 2012, 12:41 AM
We should offer more money than ECB and try to lure Andy Flower! The guy has totally transformed th England cricket team over the years.

Rabz
April 17, 2012, 12:49 AM
Though I'm not in favour of any indian/pakistani, I dont mind having Sourav Ganguly as the coach.
Only worry, he might flood the support role with fellow indians.

jeesh
April 17, 2012, 12:58 AM
Though I'm not in favour of any indian/pakistani, I dont mind having Sourav Ganguly as the coach.
Only worry, he might flood the support role with fellow indians.
Most avid Bangladeshi cricket fans would be averse to the idea of a sub continental head coach. But they are bound to change their minds if you bring a Dravid or Ganguly in the equation. These were not just wonderful cricketers, great leaders, and masters of the game.

jeesh
April 17, 2012, 12:59 AM
We should offer more money than ECB and try to lure Andy Flower! The guy has totally transformed th England cricket team over the years.
Hehe, India tried but couldnt.

I dont think Flower alone has transformed their cricket. Its their system. But nevertheless he is a world class coach.

Roey Haque
April 17, 2012, 01:08 AM
Mickey Arthur is a fine coach. We would be lucky to have him.

Also we should have temporary training camps set up with specialist coaches. Warne for spin and Rhodes for fielding.

jeesh
April 17, 2012, 01:11 AM
Arthur is the head coach of Australia :D

Dilscoop
April 17, 2012, 01:20 AM
Stop naming names head to butt randomly. You sound very naive. Those are very high profile names, the Jordan Ali Montana of cricket. They wouldn't come to Bangladesh. BCB would have to spend a butt load to get them down here and they won't.

While it's very wishful thinking, and we'd all love to see likes of those names come down here, but they won't. Be reasonable.

I'm way too naive to even mention some names naively.

[EDIT]

Kelly Brook - HC
Jessica Biel - Asst.
Miranda Kerr - Fast bowling
Bar Refaeli - Spin bowling
Scarlett Johansson - Fielding
Kim Kardashian - Fitness
Mila Kunis - Eva Mendes - Psychologists
Brooklyn Decker - Manager

Boom!

Isnaad
April 17, 2012, 01:42 AM
Mukesh Ambani for head coach!

jeesh
April 17, 2012, 01:48 AM
Imo the person best for Bangladesh would be Geoff Marsh. Veteran who has coached the World Champions and also the Worlds number 10 Zimbabwe. His lone test series with Sri Lanka was also very good. Unfortunately he got the sack, because the board wanted Ford.

This will be a very practical choice. Ganguly and Bevan etc sound very sexy. But we need a world class coach not a player. A lot of the people we have listed here were world class players who have recently retired with no or limited coaching experience. Heres a guy who has spent the last 2 decades coaching top teams, and he probably wont even come into contention.

Dilscoop
April 17, 2012, 01:57 AM
Ganguly and Bevan etc sound very sexy. But we need a world class coach not a player. A lot of the people we have listed here were world class players who have recently retired with no or limited coaching experience. Heres a guy who has spent the last 2 decades coaching top teams, and he probably wont even come into contention.
#IConquer

Roey Haque
April 17, 2012, 02:07 AM
Arthur is the head coach of Australia :D

Oh, is he? Well, he's a great coach. I love what he did to the South African team. While they didn't win the world cup, the ruthlessness of their machinery was unmatched.

Roey Haque
April 17, 2012, 02:10 AM
Kelly Brook - HC
Jessica Biel - Asst.
Miranda Kerr - Fast bowling
Bar Refaeli - Spin bowling
Scarlett Johansson - Fielding
Kim Kardashian - Fitness
Mila Kunis - Eva Mendes - Psychologists
Brooklyn Decker - Manager



Love it. Nobody would miss practice. Well, I wouldn't.

mar umpire
April 17, 2012, 02:25 AM
MSM B2C - your posts are fast approaching troll country in the manner you are going after one particular poster. That the poster happens to be someone who has done more for BD cricket (as a coach) than I daresay you or I have (as fans) makes your behavior particularly egregious. Please cease and desist. Consider this your first warning!

- Moderator

Wow sounded like a cop there

"Please place the post on the ground.
Step away from the post and raise your hands and nobody gets hurt"

Loved the "cease and desist"

Whether it's Dean Jones or Ganguly, Tamim will probably cop it-not what we want
And judging by our tour to pakistan, we may not have too many coaches that are willing to take up the post

BengaliPagol
April 17, 2012, 02:57 AM
Ian Pont, i mean come one man.... This man OPENLY expressed massive interest, what more proof do you want, BCB? after the BPL stunt with Dhaka Gladiators, his continuous support and interest for the advancement of our cricket, he should be the first choice. Is money an issue? It shouldn't be.....

With all the millions of dollars that politicians steal i dont see why it is not possible.

BANFAN
April 17, 2012, 03:14 AM
Ganguly is the worst choice IMO... He is no choice to be honest. Don't want WB style politics and favouriteism creeping into the team again. He did the same n the Indian team during his time.... He has no experience as a coach... He hasn't either expressed interest.... We are so Bangali bias that we even can propose such a character for coach..... He gets 0/10 from me.

I won't mind seeing Ian Pont ... Apart from his interests and passions for BD cricket, he is a great bowling coach.... And we genuinely need to boost our bowling side if we want to be competitive in the longer version. And a good bowling unit along with current batting will make us more competitive in shorter version as well.

So, next head coach should be a bowling coach. We have had enough of predominantly batting head coaches. So Ian gets my approval ... But i won't mind to see another person with predominantly bowling skills to be our head coach, if he is better than Ian.

BANFAN
April 17, 2012, 03:42 AM
MSM B2C - your posts are fast approaching troll country in the manner you are going after one particular poster. That the poster happens to be someone who has done more for BD cricket (as a coach) than I daresay you or I have (as fans) makes your behavior particularly egregious. Please cease and desist. Consider this your first warning!

- Moderator

He Sounds like our great LBW bhai ....:)

Miraz
April 17, 2012, 03:47 AM
Ian should be a bowling coach, not a head coach. We are not the guinea pigs of international cricket. We must appoint someone with head coach experience at either international level or at least county level.

Enough of these experimentation about jumping from specialist coach to head coach.

Zunaid
April 17, 2012, 03:50 AM
Wow sounded like a cop there


That's exactly what mods are.

Now drop that mouse. Step away from they keyboard. Let me see your hands. Nothing to see here.

BengaliPagol
April 17, 2012, 04:04 AM
Ian should be a bowling coach, not a head coach. We are not the guinea pigs of international cricket. We must appoint someone with head coach experience at either international level or at least county level.

Enough of these experimentation about jumping from specialist coach to head coach.

Pont is head coach material. He was able to guide Dhaka Gladiators to BPL win. i agree with BANFAN. He will be a great coach for our bowlers who we do need to help out if we plan to improve in our cricket.

He will be Head Coach and bowling coach. 2 for 1 i guess.

Miraz
April 17, 2012, 04:20 AM
Pont is head coach material. He was able to guide Dhaka Gladiators to BPL win. i agree with BANFAN. He will be a great coach for our bowlers who we do need to help out if we plan to improve in our cricket.

He will be Head Coach and bowling coach. 2 for 1 i guess.

There is a gulf of difference between "Head coach material" and "Head coach". BPL was a 15 day event with the luxury of selecting players from a large pool during auction. A national team or a FC team operates very differently. Let him gather that experience first and show hints of success before risking the national team.

Night_wolf
April 17, 2012, 04:26 AM
He Sounds like our great LBW bhai ....:)

lungi before wicket was always a great fan of pont
it was law who he had a problem with

tiger_army
April 17, 2012, 04:40 AM
There is a gulf of difference between "Head coach material" and "Head coach". BPL was a 15 day event with the luxury of selecting players from a large pool during auction. A national team or a FC team operates very differently. Let him gather that experience first and show hints of success before risking the national team.

DG had the best squad out of all. just look at their line up. Ash, Anamul, sunny, Rubel, Dhiman, nazim are the best domestic players of bangladesh...even their records are better then SHAK...On the other hand they had Pollard, Afridi, Azmal like super stars and imran nazir, azhar mahmud, rana navid like best t20 players.. So DG bound to win this tournament. no other team had as many super stars like them. still before semi final and final most of the team were at the same position. Then Afridi and Ajmal came and won it for DG in semi final and final. I agree with Miraz vai, we really cant judge pont on the basis of a 15 days short tournament.

mar umpire
April 17, 2012, 04:43 AM
That's exactly what mods are.

Now drop that mouse. Step away from they keyboard. Let me see your hands. Nothing to see here.

Lol
Have you seen the Piracy ad spoof? the one with "You wouldn't steal a baby... you wouldn't steal a policeman's hat and go to the toil... "
I don't know the keyboard and mosue reference just reminded me of that

firstlane
April 17, 2012, 05:32 AM
We are not the guinea pigs of international cricket. We must appoint someone with head coach experience at either international level or at least county level.

True. Luckily Law gamble worked for us. Doesn't mean it will happen every time.

Equinox
April 17, 2012, 05:59 AM
DG had the best squad out of all. just look at their line up. Ash, Anamul, sunny, Rubel, Dhiman, nazim are the best domestic players of bangladesh...even their records are better then SHAK...On the other hand they had Pollard, Afridi, Azmal like super stars and imran nazir, azhar mahmud, rana navid like best t20 players.. So DG bound to win this tournament. no other team had as many super stars like them. still before semi final and final most of the team were at the same position. Then Afridi and Ajmal came and won it for DG in semi final and final. I agree with Miraz vai, we really cant judge pont on the basis of a 15 days short tournament.
Yes and even with that squad DG failed to top the league. They played well in the semis with Afridi and Ajmal in the squad and then won the final. I'm sure if they had faced Rajshahi, who were by far the best team in the league stage (without many superstars), they'd have been knocked out. But anyway to their credit they did win in the end and I'm not completely opposed to Ian Pont as head coach. But if he is given the job it has be a short-term (6 month) contract and then if he impresses it can be extended. I know it sounds harsh but at this sort of level you can't really take risks with inexperience.

BANFAN
April 17, 2012, 06:08 AM
Why experience becomes an issue for Ian and not for others? While he has been coaching BD players at different levels and knows the psyche much better. He is also running an academy... He has the qualifications of being a head coach.... He has achieved and shown good results with whatever opportunity he got with BD...as a bowling coach and as DG coach... So what else he should do?? Coach Australia to make them world champ before applying for BD? While SG gets a nod because he speaks Bangla??

Miraz
April 17, 2012, 06:35 AM
Why experience becomes an issue for Ian and not for others? While he has been coaching BD players at different levels and knows the psyche much better. He is also running an academy... He has the qualifications of being a head coach.... He has achieved and shown good results with whatever opportunity he got with BD...as a bowling coach and as DG coach... So what else he should do?? Coach Australia to make them world champ before applying for BD? While SG gets a nod because he speaks Bangla??

Who said experience is only needed for Pont and for no one else? It should be universal for everyone interested to be a head coach of a Test playing nation.

The transition from assistant to head coach is a big one and it is not easy to make that transition. Siddons struggled to make this transition despite being associated with a all-conquering team like Australia for many years. Do you think running a personal academy experience is comparable to that of a head coach experience of a club team forget about the county or international team?

If want to talk about personal knowledge, Khaled Mahmud Sujon has much better knowledge about the players, experience at club, first class and international level and grander success at every coaching assignment compared to Ian. Will you appoint him as the head coach?

Nothing personal against Ian, but we suffered enough in the past and I don't our team to suffer again at such a crucial time. I will be very happy with any county team head coach to be appointed as our coach. They know the man management and team cricket much better than any specialist coaches. Specialists need to gather that valuable experience first before competing for the head coach positions.

deshprem
April 17, 2012, 06:46 AM
Ian should be a bowling coach, not a head coach. We are not the guinea pigs of international cricket. We must appoint someone with head coach experience at either international level or at least county level.

Enough of these experimentation about jumping from specialist coach to head coach.

I think that's a great show of utter disrespect and contempt to Ian. His credentials are nothing short of achievements at all levels and with a variety of players. Specialist coach or head, i think the experience is similar with respect to cricket strategy/team make up etc.

Regardless of what you deem to be soooooooooooooooo different between head and specialist coach, i think it would be grossly unfair to say Ian would reduce our team's image to gunea pigs. The guy is full of experience, class, knowledge, and intelligence. call him whatever you want specialist or whatever, the guy is top material.

idrinkh2O
April 17, 2012, 07:04 AM
Ian should be a bowling coach, not a head coach. We are not the guinea pigs of international cricket. We must appoint someone with head coach experience at either international level or at least county level.

Enough of these experimentation about jumping from specialist coach to head coach.

Who said experience is only needed for Pont and for no one else? It should be universal for everyone interested to be a head coach of a Test playing nation.

The transition from assistant to head coach is a big one and it is not easy to make that transition. Siddons struggled to make this transition despite being associated with a all-conquering team like Australia for many years. Do you think running a personal academy experience is comparable to that of a head coach experience of a club team forget about the county or international team?

If want to talk about personal knowledge, Khaled Mahmud Sujon has much better knowledge about the players, experience at club, first class and international level and grander success at every coaching assignment compared to Ian. Will you appoint him as the head coach?

Nothing personal against Ian, but we suffered enough in the past and I don't our team to suffer again at such a crucial time. I will be very happy with any county team head coach to be appointed as our coach. They know the man management and team cricket much better than any specialist coaches. Specialists need to gather that valuable experience first before competing for the head coach positions.

I agree with you on bolded parts a 1000%. Even with Law, we were the guinea pigs. (At the end, I was happy to see his result in the asia cup.) I would like to see someone with experience along with professionalism (that includes no favoritism in the staffing or player's unit, a passion to improve our ranking, handling/protecting our boys from media (though it's a minor issue) and so on. Also I wouldnt mind having an experienced bowling-head-coach.

Tigers_eye
April 17, 2012, 07:08 AM
Lock the thread and throw it away. I don't like where it is going. It will only get worse. I do not believe in freedom of speech.

Startup a new thread with clean warning. (Sorry Rabz and you would understand, I know)

If you really don't want to, then delete posts. Reasoning: T_E doesn't like it.

tiger_army
April 17, 2012, 07:08 AM
I think that's a great show of utter disrespect and contempt to Ian. His credentials are nothing short of achievements at all levels and with a variety of players. Specialist coach or head, i think the experience is similar with respect to cricket strategy/team make up etc.

Regardless of what you deem to be soooooooooooooooo different between head and specialist coach, i think it would be grossly unfair to say Ian would reduce our team's image to gunea pigs. The guy is full of experience, class, knowledge, and intelligence. call him whatever you want specialist or whatever, the guy is top material.

you totally mistranslated Miraz vai here... he didnt question about ponts skills for being a coach, all he said we need a proper experienced coach who is around with other international team for quite a long time...not another newbie.. We had a tendency to bring new inexperienced coaches with international level always.. so we dont want our team to become another gunie pig here...again said pont might be a good coach but not experienced enough to coach our national team.. if you mentioned DG and BPL then Fleaming and ray jennings are far better.

firstlane
April 17, 2012, 07:16 AM
I think that's a great show of utter disrespect and contempt to Ian. His credentials are nothing short of achievements at all levels and with a variety of players. Specialist coach or head, i think the experience is similar with respect to cricket strategy/team make up etc.

Regardless of what you deem to be soooooooooooooooo different between head and specialist coach, i think it would be grossly unfair to say Ian would reduce our team's image to gunea pigs. The guy is full of experience, class, knowledge, and intelligence. call him whatever you want specialist or whatever, the guy is top material.
What disrespect are you talking about? We don't worship cricketers and celebrities like Gods in our country that speaking against them will be sin. In here we dissect every cricketing individual's on and off field performance specially when someone is considered for the head coach role. Why would Ian has to be spared? And Miraz Bhai clearly mentioned that it was not personal.

kalpurush
April 17, 2012, 07:30 AM
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Miraz
April 17, 2012, 07:30 AM
I think that's a great show of utter disrespect and contempt to Ian. His credentials are nothing short of achievements at all levels and with a variety of players. Specialist coach or head, i think the experience is similar with respect to cricket strategy/team make up etc.

Regardless of what you deem to be soooooooooooooooo different between head and specialist coach, i think it would be grossly unfair to say Ian would reduce our team's image to gunea pigs. The guy is full of experience, class, knowledge, and intelligence. call him whatever you want specialist or whatever, the guy is top material.

Dear deshprem, I am not sure you understood the meaning of "guinea pigs" in this post. Guinea pigs are lovely animals but extensively used in different "experiments". I hope it clarifies. Do I need to be more explicit?

There is no question about showing disrespect to Ian.

Miraz
April 17, 2012, 07:34 AM
you totally mistranslated Miraz vai here... he didnt question about ponts skills for being a coach, all he said we need a proper experienced coach who is around with other international team for quite a long time...not another newbie.. We had a tendency to bring new inexperienced coaches with international level always.. so we dont want our team to become another gunie pig here...again said pont might be a good coach but not experienced enough to coach our national team.. if you mentioned DG and BPL then Fleaming and ray jennings are far better.

Thanks tiger_army. Couldn't agree more.

deshprem
April 17, 2012, 07:38 AM
What disrespect are you talking about? We don't worship cricketers and celebrities like Gods in our country that speaking against them will be sin. In here we dissect every cricketing individual's on and off field performance specially when someone is considered for the head coach role. Why would Ian has to be spared? And Miraz Bhai clearly mentioned that it was not personal.

the kind of disrespect i'm talking about is implied in what Miraz wrote.

Hiring someone like Ian would not make us guinea pigs- that is demeaning of Ian and his expertise. Nothing about Ian's credentials suggests he is an experimental coach. He didn't just become a coach yesterday... We should feel privileged to acquire his expertise

kalpurush
April 17, 2012, 07:46 AM
the kind of disrespect i'm talking about is implied in what Miraz wrote.

Hiring someone like Ian would not make us guinea pigs- that is demeaning of Ian and his expertise. Nothing about Ian's credentials suggests he is an experimental coach. He didn't just become a coach yesterday... We should feel privileged to acquire his expertise
Everyone has his/her own opinion and judgement and logic behind it IMHO.

To you, Mr. X might be the best, for others he might be not.

mar umpire
April 17, 2012, 07:47 AM
Anyone except "Mr Allrounder" Sujon. Maybe after shakib and tamim retires, or better still, hopefully never

mar umpire
April 17, 2012, 07:49 AM
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M.H.Rubel
April 17, 2012, 07:52 AM
Well a huge debate is going on here about IAN Pont.Now my points.Definately we need an experienced head coach material,no doubt.But is BCB hunting for a high profile one?All the time they say they wii.But ultimately they bring an assistant coach material.This time if BCB fail to bring a high profile person.In that case Ian Pont is my first choice.This man has the passion for Bngladesh Cricket.

kalpurush
April 17, 2012, 07:54 AM
Well a huge debate is going on here about IAN Pont.Now my points.Definately we need an experienced head coach material,no doubt.But is BCB hunting for a high profile one?All the time they say they wii.But ultimately they bring an assistant coach material.This time if BCB fail to bring a high profile person.In that case Ian Pont is my first choice.This man has the passion for Bngladesh Cricket.
You have sumed up Miraz bhais post - and I agree here, too. :)

MSM B2C
April 17, 2012, 08:09 AM
Ian should be a bowling coach, not a head coach. We are not the guinea pigs of international cricket. We must appoint someone with head coach experience at either international level or at least county level.

Enough of these experimentation about jumping from specialist coach to head coach.

100% agreed, 10/10

Dilscoop
April 17, 2012, 08:19 AM
Everyone needs to stop freaking out. These are grown men discussing. Some of them are very senior and mod themselves. If you are worried about Ian Pont's feelings getting hurt by not considering him as a head coach and explaining why they think so (with in the rules), well that's not exactly breaking the rules now is it? And you don't have to worry about Pont's feelings. He is also a grown man, and a professional one at that. He has to deal with praising/criticism all the time. It comes with the job.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what or who we think is the right person. At the end of this July, some of us will be very positive and look forward to seeing the new coach, and some of us will go open poll threads, asking for his head. We are all just wasting our time. :-|

roman
April 17, 2012, 08:24 AM
Ian knows how to teach batting. No doubt but he has been tagged as bowling coach. And BCB has this infatuation about batting coach. So I think Ian has a very slim chance here.

Is Graham Ford still available? His experience is priceless..He was assistant coach of SA in 1999 and head coach of SA from 1999-2002. He turned down India's offer back in 2007. So I doubt he would like to work with us.

Zunaid
April 17, 2012, 08:25 AM
Everyone needs to stop freaking out. These are grown men discussing. Some of them are very senior and mod themselves. If you are worried about Ian Pont's feelings getting hurt by not considering him as a head coach and explaining why they think so (with in the rules), well that's not exactly breaking the rules now is it? And you don't have to worry about Pont's feelings. He is also a grown man, and a professional one at that. He has to deal with praising/criticism all the time. It comes with the job.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what or who we think is the right person. At the end of this July, some of us will be very positive and look forward to seeing the new coach, and some of us will go open poll threads, asking for his head. We are all just wasting our time. :-|

In the end - the young one speaketh with the voice of reason. No need to get all y'alls knickers in a wad. Be civil and speak your mind.

:clap:

Dilscoop
April 17, 2012, 08:26 AM
Yes, 41 is the new 21.

tatsu-oga
April 17, 2012, 08:30 AM
I want an Englishmen to be the coach if BCB is very much willing to go for a foreign coach. I think the approach taken by English coaches suits our players. By the way why not give the job to Aminul Islam Bulbul? A wild card I guess.

zsayeed
April 17, 2012, 08:38 AM
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Cool Law. "Never Attack A Poster".

I never saw that before - but like it 100%.

Zunaid
April 17, 2012, 08:43 AM
Cool Law. "Never Attack A Poster".

I never saw that before - but like it 100%.

You should have seen it! :) You did agree to have read and to abide by the forum rules when you registered. It's not that the rules are new. Unless you really do feel like attacking the ugly poster they glued to the wall near Kalabagan Lane 2. Attack it for all I care.

BTW, its Stuart Law and not Cool Law.

Dilscoop
April 17, 2012, 08:49 AM
ENOUGH! With the Law references and jokes!

mufi_02
April 17, 2012, 08:53 AM
Thread dekhi ghurte ghurte onek ghuira gese.

BCB will post the job openings in the next 3 days. Lets wait for it then. We will see who the applicants are and can jump into more fighting and analysis then.

Zunaid
April 17, 2012, 08:57 AM
Thread dekhi ghurte ghurte onek ghuira gese.

BCB will post the job openings in the next 3 days. Lets wait for it then. We will see who the applicants are and can jump into more fighting and analysis then.

Damn it. I was just getting started. :)

MarufH
April 17, 2012, 08:57 AM
All right.. all right everyone.. while all of you fight over Ian... I just have one question to the man himself. ARE YOU INTERESTED IN THE POST? HAVE YOU APPLIED?

if he is not interested.. all these fights become irrelevant. :waiting:

Dilscoop
April 17, 2012, 09:02 AM
Just saw CI's title. :facepalm:

(edit) ^ Who's fighting...? I'm confused. Seems like every time people get into heavy discussion it gets tagged as "fighting."

Btw, you all caps post seems like freighting. :s

(all the green guys are underneath the thread scaring me...)

idrinkh2O
April 17, 2012, 09:30 AM
^^Dilscoop spare Maruf vhai on this...Last time when BD was looking for a head-coach, (I think) maruf vhai was petitioning (suggesting) for Coach Pont as BD head-coach in his Sig. After a while, poor maruf vhai found out that Coach Pont didn't apply for the job in the first place.

Equinox
April 17, 2012, 10:04 AM
Is Graham Ford still available? His experience is priceless..He was assistant coach of SA in 1999 and head coach of SA from 1999-2002. He turned down India's offer back in 2007. So I doubt he would like to work with us.
He was appointed Sri Lanka's HC just a few months ago. He would've been my first pick as well.

Ian Pont
April 17, 2012, 10:46 AM
Ian should be a bowling coach, not a head coach. We are not the guinea pigs of international cricket. We must appoint someone with head coach experience at either international level or at least county level.

Enough of these experimentation about jumping from specialist coach to head coach.

I read somewhere about head coaches:

Gary Kirsten had never been a Head Coach before India
Andy Flower had never been a Head Coach before England
Ottis Gibson had never been a Head Coach before West Indies
Jamie Siddons had never been a Head Coach before Bangladesh

I think it shows that it is perfectly possible to be a Head Coach in waiting. But we all have our own thoughts on what a team needs to make it a great one.

I am not from Australia so would think that works against me in Asian cricket for some reason anyway :) Bangladesh has a love affair with Green & Gold.

Ian Pont
April 17, 2012, 10:51 AM
you totally mistranslated Miraz vai here... he didnt question about ponts skills for being a coach, all he said we need a proper experienced coach who is around with other international team for quite a long time...not another newbie.. We had a tendency to bring new inexperienced coaches with international level always.. so we dont want our team to become another gunie pig here...again said pont might be a good coach but not experienced enough to coach our national team.. if you mentioned DG and BPL then Fleaming and ray jennings are far better.

Agree 100%... Stephen Fleming or Ray Jennings would be great choices. Way better than Pont.

Hang on a minute! :facepalm:

MarufH
April 17, 2012, 10:56 AM
^^Dilscoop spare Maruf vhai on this...Last time when BD was looking for a head-coach, (I think) maruf vhai was petitioning (suggesting) for Coach Pont as BD head-coach in his Sig. After a while, poor maruf vhai found out that Coach Pont didn't apply for the job in the first place.

Thank you bhai. Yes - you are right. Does not make sense to have a heavy discussion when we already have Ian here and can ask him.

Night_wolf
April 17, 2012, 11:11 AM
Ian do you want to apply for the Head coach of BD?

say no and end all this debating!

Maysun
April 17, 2012, 11:18 AM
Ian do you want to apply for the Head coach of BD?

say no and end all this debating!

Naah I think he's gonna sit back with his pop corn, sip some slush and enjoy all the tamasha and drama on this thread :D

senman
April 17, 2012, 11:19 AM
Coaching at International level is nothing but guiding the players to choose the right path. The players who gets selected doesn't need someone to coach right from the basics.

So only few things should be considered
(i) check if the coach has rapport with majority of players (its nearly impossible to be liked by all)
(ii) Check if the coach can inspire and motivate the team when it fails
(iii) check if the coach can stand with the team long term (9 months or 1 year just doesn't cut it)

So if Ian Pont satisfies the above points whats wrong in appointing him as the head coach? the important thing is rapport, if the coach is well know(to the players) it will be easier to get up and running than to start over once again. I hope BCB officials will make wise choice.

P.S: Ganguly can give sound advise on batting but he is not a coach-mentor type, stop being biased.

Night_wolf
April 17, 2012, 11:21 AM
Naah I think he's gonna sit back with his pop corn, sip some slush and enjoy all the tamasha and drama on this thread :D

really if this circus was going on with me i would have done the same thing and enjoy:D

MarufH
April 17, 2012, 12:09 PM
Ian do you want to apply for the Head coach of BD?

say no and end all this debating!

Exactly my point.

really if this circus was going on with me i would have done the same thing and enjoy:D

If he has time to reply to everything else, he should reply to this. Otherwise keep his nose out.

Yes - I said it.. mods can delete it if they think its offensive. I think I deserve an answer after what happened last time (see below)

^^Dilscoop spare Maruf vhai on this...Last time when BD was looking for a head-coach, (I think) maruf vhai was petitioning (suggesting) for Coach Pont as BD head-coach in his Sig. After a while, poor maruf vhai found out that Coach Pont didn't apply for the job in the first place.

M.H.Rubel
April 17, 2012, 12:52 PM
A poll will be interesting here.

mufi_02
April 17, 2012, 01:09 PM
Maruf bhai chete gese. He demands an answer and so do we.

Crickbang
April 17, 2012, 01:17 PM
I just saw a report on Prothom Alo. It says BCB asked for Law's opinion on his successor. He said Shane Jurgesen is capable of replacing him. What do you guys think? Honestly, I don't want them to promote from within the staff. I truly don't mean any disrespect to Shane or Stuart by saying that. I would start "fresh" again while we are at it. Just move on from these 9 months, while appreciating the efforts put in by Law and his staff. New HC and new support staff is the way to go for me. However, I am not against retaining the old staff while hiring a new HC. But the new guy may want to bring in his own staff. Not sure about that. That's my two pennies worth of feeling. It's going to fun for sure to see who is the new guy taking charge while Kamal creates blunders every two weeks about appointing a HC. (Kamal on the TV):"Vincent Barnes? Oh no it's Newell. Oh no it's Geoff Lawson."

Here's PA article:


ঘরে ফিরে যাবেন ল
বাংলাদেশে আর থাকতে চাইছেন না স্টুয়ার্ট ল। গত ৩০ মার্চ এটা জানিয়ে বিসিবির কাছে ই-মেইল করে ল-র এজেন্ট। এর পর থেকে খবরটা চেপেই রেখেছিল বিসিবি। কিন্তু ‘শেষরক্ষা’ হয়নি। কাল প্রথম আলোয় ছাপা হয় স্টুয়ার্ট ল-র পদত্যাগের ইচ্ছার কথা। দুপুরে বাংলাদেশ দলের বিদায়ী কোচকে পাশে বসিয়ে সেটাই আনুষ্ঠানিকভাবে ঘোষণা করলেন বিসিবির মিডিয়া কমিটির প্রধান জালাল ইউনুস।
স্টুয়ার্ট ল-র সঙ্গে বাংলাদেশের ক্রিকেটের সম্পর্ক মাত্র সাড়ে আট মাসের। গত বছরের ১ জুলাই দায়িত্ব নেওয়ার পর জিম্বাবুয়ে সফরে শুরুটা ভালো হয়নি। সর্বশেষ এশিয়া কাপে তাঁর অধীনেই সাফল্য পেয়েছে বাংলাদেশ দল। তবে উন্নতির ছাপ ধরা পড়ে এর আগে পাকিস্তান ও ওয়েস্ট ইন্ডিজের বিপক্ষে হোম সিরিজ থেকেই।
মাঠের সাফল্য বাংলাদেশের কোচ হিসেবে ল-র সময়টাকে করে তুলেছিল উপভোগ্য। কিন্তু জীবনের অন্য পিঠে জমছিল হতাশা। স্ত্রী ও এক সন্তান থাকে লন্ডনে। ভাইবোন-বাবা-মা ব্রিসবেনে। আট বছর ধরে অস্ট্রেলিয়ার বাইরে কাটানো ল নাড়ির টান অনুভব করছিলেন অনেক দিন ধরেই। কাল সংবাদ সম্মেলনে যাওয়ার আগে শেরেবাংলা স্টেডিয়ামের ড্রেসিংরুমের সামনে দাঁড়িয়ে বলছিলেন, ‘ছেলেটা বড় হচ্ছে। ওকে সময় দিতে পারি না। স্ত্রীরও অনেক অনুযোগ। অসুখী স্ত্রী বলতে পারেন (হাসি)। তা ছাড়া আমার বাবা-মা, ভাইবোনদের থেকেও দূরে দূরে থাকছি। এখন মনে হচ্ছে, পরিবারকে একটু সময় দেওয়া দরকার। স্ত্রী-পুত্র নিয়ে এখন থেকে ব্রিসবেনেই থাকব। তাতে আমার পরিবারেরও কাছাকাছি থাকা হবে।’
বাবা খেলার মানুষ, ছেলের রক্তেও খেলাধুলা ব্যাপারটা ভালোই আছে। অস্ট্রেলিয়ায় ফিরে যাওয়ার সেটাও একটা কারণ বললেন ল, ‘ছেলেটা ক্রিকেট খেলে। সার্ফিংয়েও দারুণ নেশা। ইংল্যান্ডের তুলনায় অস্ট্রেলিয়ায় এসবের সুযোগ বেশি।’
সংবাদ সম্মেলনেও স্টুয়ার্ট ল বারবার এটাই বললেন—পদত্যাগের কারণ সম্পূর্ণই ব্যক্তিগত। বাংলাদেশের ক্রিকেট এবং ক্রিকেট-সংশ্লিষ্টদের ওপর কোনো রাগ নেই তাঁর। ‘আমরা সবাই জানি, পরিবারের দাবিটাই সবার আগে। পরিবার থেকে দূরে থাকায় ছেলেকে বড় হতে দেখছি না। ক্রিকেট আমার জীবনের অনেক বড় একটা অংশ নিয়ে থাকলেও বিগত বছরগুলোয় আমি বুঝেছি পরিবারের চেয়ে বড় আর কিছুই নেই। তারা সুখী না হলে আমি সুখী হতে পারি না। কাজেই দুর্ভাগ্যজনকভাবে আমাকে সরে যেতেই হচ্ছে’—কোচ নয়, কথাগুলো বলার সময় একজন দায়িত্ববান বাবা আর স্বামীকেই যেন দেখা গেল মাইক্রোফোনের সামনে।
আট মাসেই বাংলাদেশের ক্রিকেটের অনেক ভালো-খারাপ দেখেছেন। তবে বিদায় বলার দিনে ল ভালোটাই শুধু বললেন, ‘আমার পদত্যাগের সঙ্গে বাংলাদেশের ক্রিকেট মহলের কারও সম্পৃক্ততা নেই। এখানে আমার সময়টা দারুণ ছিল। এখানকার ক্রিকেট, এখানকার সংস্কৃতি সম্পর্কে অনেক কিছু জেনেছি। এখানকার মানুষকে চিনেছি। যেখানেই গেছি দারুণ সব বন্ধু জুটে গেছে। এই বন্ধুত্ব সব সময়ই থাকবে।’ ল-র কাছে চিরস্মরণীয় হয়ে থাকবে বাংলাদেশের কোচ পরিচয়টাও, ‘এখানে না এলে অনেক অভিজ্ঞতাই হয়তো হতো না। শেষ দিকে এসে এশিয়া কাপটা প্রায় জিতেই গিয়েছিলাম আমরা। বাংলাদেশের ক্রিকেট সঠিক পথে আছে এবং এটা তারই লক্ষণ।’
সংবাদ সম্মেলনে বিসিবির পক্ষ থেকে স্টুয়ার্ট ল-র প্রতি কৃতজ্ঞতা জানিয়েছেন জালাল ইউনুস ও ক্রিকেট পরিচালনার প্রধান এনায়েত হোসেন। ‘আমরা চেষ্টা করেছি তাঁকে রাখতে। বলেছি, প্রয়োজনে পরিবারের সদস্যদের এখানে নিয়ে আসা যেতে পারে। এশিয়া কাপের সাফল্যের পর তাঁর চলে যাওয়াটা সত্যিই দুঃখজনক’—বলেছেন জালাল ইউনুস। এনায়েত হোসেনের চোখে ল-র সিদ্ধান্ত বাংলাদেশের ক্রিকেটের জন্য হতাশার, ‘আমরা আগেও ভালো খেলেছি। তবে ল আসার পর অল্প কদিনেই অনেক উন্নতি করেছি। তাঁর বিদায়ে বাংলাদেশের ক্রিকেট-সংশ্লিষ্টরা আশাহত হবেন। তবে ল-র কথাও ঠিক—পরিবারই আগে।’
এনায়েত জানিয়েছেন, স্টুয়ার্ট ল-র উত্তরসূরি খুঁজতে প্রয়োজনে তাঁর সাহায্যও নেবে বিসিবি। ল-র দৃষ্টিতে সেই উত্তরসূরি আছে বাংলাদেশ দলের বর্তমান কোচিং স্টাফের মধ্যেই। সংবাদ সম্মেলন শেষে বললেন, ‘বোলিং কোচ শেন ইয়ুর্গেনসেন ভালো কোচ, অনেক অভিজ্ঞতা তাঁর। তাঁকে বিবেচনা করা যেতে পারে। তবে আমি বুঝি, বিসিবি হয়তো বড় কোনো নামই খুঁজবে। বাংলাদেশের মতো উদীয়মান দলের জন্য অনেক সময় বড় নামের কোচই কার্যকর বেশি হয়।’
বিসিবির সঙ্গে ল-র দুই বছরের চুক্তি ছিল ২০১৩ সালের ৩০ জুন পর্যন্ত। পদত্যাগের ঘোষণা দিয়ে দিলেও জালাল ইউনুস জানিয়েছেন, আগামী ৩০ জুন পর্যন্ত থেকে চুক্তির এক বছর শেষ করে যাবেন ল। সে ক্ষেত্রে বাংলাদেশ দল পাকিস্তান সফরে গেলেও কি সঙ্গী হবেন ল? ‘যত দূর জানি, বিসিবি এখনো পাকিস্তান সফরে যাওয়ার চূড়ান্ত সিদ্ধান্ত নেয়নি। আমি মাত্র (গতকাল) আজই এলাম। এখনো এ ব্যাপারে কিছু জানি না’—বলেছেন ল। তবে সূত্র নিশ্চিত করেছে, পাকিস্তান সফরে যেতে রাজি নন ল। বিসিবির সভাপতি আজ দুবাই থেকে ফিরলে তাঁর সঙ্গে ভবিষ্যৎ নিয়ে আলোচনা করবেন তিনি। পাকিস্তানে যেতে অপারগতা জানিয়ে দেবেন তখনই।

MarufH
April 17, 2012, 01:24 PM
^ of course he will suggest his friend. With all due respect to Shane... I want someone with little more experience and exposure.

MarufH
April 17, 2012, 01:29 PM
The real reason why Law left...

"The opportunity to return home to be closer with family and work in Brisbane with Australia's established and emerging talent was too good to pass up," Law said.

So not only families.. he got the offer then he decided to move on.

Can we find a coach who will be dedicated to the team; respect the contract and not leave us as soon as the next opportunity arise?

I think many of us here had this concern when Law was taking over. Alas, he did leave us for an opportunity which was more suited for himself.

Source (http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/current/story/561528.html)

Murad
April 17, 2012, 01:39 PM
However, former captain Khaled Mashud said the board must look into the reasons behind Law's departure. "He [Law] has a personal problem, as he has told us, but the board should dig deep. There should be an inquiry so that the next man doesn't have the same problems he had," Mashud said. "His performance was better towards the end of his short tenure but he seemed like a good coach, listened to the players as much as he talked to them. It will be a big loss."

Ashraful was of the opinion that Law's successor should be a high profile coach. "We are still the No. 9 team in the world so there is an effect of what he [a coach] says. The coach also has to be a good motivator."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/current/story/561547.html

Saifulsohel
April 17, 2012, 02:36 PM
However, former captain Khaled Mashud said the board must look into the reasons behind Law's departure. "He [Law] has a personal problem, as he has told us, but the board should dig deep. There should be an inquiry so that the next man doesn't have the same problems he had," Mashud said. "His performance was better towards the end of his short tenure but he seemed like a good coach, listened to the players as much as he talked to them. It will be a big loss."

Ashraful was of the opinion that Law's successor should be a high profile coach. "We are still the No. 9 team in the world so there is an effect of what he [a coach] says. The coach also has to be a good motivator."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/current/story/561547.html

mahmud is a foul person.He is always suspicious

BANFAN
April 17, 2012, 02:40 PM
mahmud is a foul person.He is always suspicious

Which Mahmud ...??

Saifulsohel
April 17, 2012, 02:44 PM
Which Mahmud ...??

khaled mahmud. Sobkichute gondho khuje pai.
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Murad
April 17, 2012, 02:45 PM
khaled mahmud. Sobkichute gondho khuje pai.
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Ekhane khalel mahmud er kotha keno ashlo?

mufi_02
April 17, 2012, 02:55 PM
It was Khaled Mashud as in Pilot, who said that. Picture can help

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/417865_10150521445637551_36442892550_9132346_99979 8382_n.jpg

roman
April 17, 2012, 03:08 PM
http://www.shamokal.com/

[বাংলা]দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকান কোচ খুঁজছে বিসিবি




ক্রীড়া প্রতিবেদক
আবারও সেই কোচ খোঁজার মহাযজ্ঞে নামতে হচ্ছে বিসিবিকে। এরই মধ্যে অনুসন্ধান পর্ব শুরু হয়ে গেছে। তবে বিসিবি সভাপতি জানিয়েছেন, যেহেতু জুন মাস পর্যন্ত সময় আছে তাই এ বিষয়ে ধীরেসুস্থে এগোতে চান তারা। বিসিবি এবার দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকান কোচদের প্রাধান্য দিচ্ছে। সে সঙ্গে শ্রীলংকানরাও বিসিবির বিবেচনায় আছে বলে জানা গেছে।
এ মাসের শুরুতে আইপিএল উপলক্ষে ভারত গিয়েছিলেন বিসিবি সভাপতি আ হ ম মোস্তফা কামাল। তখন মুম্বাইয়ে তার সঙ্গে দেখা হয়েছিল অস্ট্রেলিয়ান কোচ ডিন জোন্সের। বিসিবি সভাপতির ইঙ্গিতকে প্রস্তাব মনে করে টুইটারে তা জানিয়েও দেন ডিন জোন্স। তবে জানা গেছে, জোন্সকে নিয়ে খুব একটা আগ্রহী নয় বিসিবি। বিপিএলে চিটাগাং কিংসের টেকনিক্যাল ডিরেক্টর হয়ে এসেছিলেন ডিন জোন্স। তখন তামিম ইকবালের সঙ্গে তার দ্বন্দ্ব বেশ ভালোমতোই মাথায় আছে বিসিবি কর্তাদের। এ ছাড়া ধারাভাষ্যকার হিসেবে তার দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকার ক্রিকেটার হাশিম আমলাকে 'টেররিস্ট' বলার ঘটনাও মনে রাখছে বিসিবি।
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idrinkh2O
April 17, 2012, 03:16 PM
I read somewhere about head coaches:

Gary Kirsten had never been a Head Coach before India
Andy Flower had never been a Head Coach before England
Ottis Gibson had never been a Head Coach before West Indies
Jamie Siddons had never been a Head Coach before Bangladesh

I think it shows that it is perfectly possible to be a Head Coach in waiting. But we all have our own thoughts on what a team needs to make it a great one.

I am not from Australia so would think that works against me in Asian cricket for some reason anyway :) Bangladesh has a love affair with Green & Gold.

Dear Coach Pont,

With all due respect, I couldn't agree with you there (bolded part) completely. After all, you are our Ex Bangladesh National Bowling Coach, and our current Dhaka Gladiators Head Coach (BPL) .:) I can't speak for SL, IN, PAK, but I can certainly speak for BD. With all the flaws we (BCB) have, it was BCB that chose YOU as our bowling coach during WC11 and pre-WC11. I thought that was a brave decision by BCB and I applaud their choice for it and I thank you for your service to our national team. Same goes for BPL. (well, in IPL that's a different story, ;) even our players don't get a chance to be in the team or to play regularly...as neighbor, we r yet to tour IN...ahem, so it's better for me not to comment on IN.)
Ok, what I'm trying to say is that... everyone is welcome in BD. :) If you ever feel other-wise, let me know. I'll look into the matter personally. :D

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Also, Miraz already explained his point nicely using JS as an example (and was clarified farther by Tiger_Army (excluding the last sentence or 2 of-course)...Miraz can speak for himself.
But my point is that I'm tired of seeing our head-coach making their debuts (as a head-coach internationally/or for the first time in any format) along with our young team. To my understanding, in this thread the discussion was never about whether X and Y type of professionals would be possible or impossible to be a head coach or not in general. It was about what type of coach do we want in BD at this time (never questioned anyone's ability). We had coaches like whatmore...but even you will agree with me that lately we have been experimenting with lots of new-comers (for coaching staff), no? :)

**Dear Mods, if you find my post inappropriate, please delete/modify it.

Ian Pont
April 17, 2012, 04:13 PM
Dear Coach Pont,

With all due respect, I couldn't agree with you there (bolded part) completely.
Ok, what I'm trying to say is that... everyone is welcome in BD. :).

I am talking about HEAD COACHES here. The last Bangladesh three head coaches have been: Whatmore (Australian), Siddons (Australian), Law (Australian).

The name of a potential head coach replacement for Stuart Law, approached already by the BCB (according to his tweet) is Dean Jones...erm... Australian. Stuart's recommendation to replace himself is Australian, Shane Jurgensen.

With regard to assisting coaches: The current bowling coach is Shane Jurgensen (Australian), fielding coach Jason Swift (Australian). The previous Academy Head Coach was Ross Turner (Australian). The specialists who came and worked recently with the academy were Australian.

With regard to other Asian countries: The current Indian bowling coach is Australian, The current Pakistan head coach is Australian, The current Sri Lanka Head Coach is Australian (the previous was Australian and the one before THAT was Australian). The IPL is full of Australian coaches.

I appreciate other nationalities also get roles in Asia (obviously) but it certainly appears to be an advantage to come from down under for some reason. :waiting: That was my point.

AsifTheManRahman
April 17, 2012, 04:39 PM
http://www.shamokal.com/

[বাংলা]বিসিবি এবার দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকান কোচদের প্রাধান্য দিচ্ছে। সে সঙ্গে শ্রীলংকানরাও বিসিবির বিবেচনায় আছে বলে জানা গেছে।
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What's all this bull crap about going after particular nationalities? Why can't they interview based on merit only?

idrinkh2O
April 17, 2012, 04:44 PM
I am talking about HEAD COACHES here. The last Bangladesh three head coaches have been: Whatmore (Australian), Siddons (Australian), Law (Australian).

The name of a potential head coach replacement for Stuart Law, approached already by the BCB (according to his tweet) is Dean Jones...erm... Australian. Stuart's recommendation to replace himself is Australian, Shane Jurgensen.

With regard to assisting coaches: The current bowling coach is Shane Jurgensen (Australian), fielding coach Jason Swift (Australian). The previous Academy Head Coach was Ross Turner (Australian). The specialists who came and worked recently with the academy were Australian.

With regard to other Asian countries: The current Indian bowling coach is Australian, The current Pakistan head coach is Australian, The current Sri Lanka Head Coach is Australian (the previous was Australian and the one before THAT was Australian). The IPL is full of Australian coaches.

I appreciate other nationalities also get roles in Asia (obviously) but it certainly appears to be an advantage to come from down under for some reason. :waiting: That was my point.

I know what you meant:D. But my point was, you (an English) were one of OUR National bowling coach. Julien Fountain (an English) was OUR fielding coach. JF is Pakistan's fielding coach at the moment. Also, out of 6 BPL teams, You (an English) were one of the head-coaches...Siddon (Australian) was interested but wasn't part of the first BPL head-coach llist... For BPL, we had 1 English, 1 Australian, 3 BD head-coaches...i can't remember the head-coach of Khulna.

Ok, in terms of coaching staff, yeah people prefer to bring their friends (if the board/club approves it and there is nothing wrong with it in my opinion) i.e. our current bowling coach is Shane Jurgensen (Australian), fielding coach Jason Swift (Australian) are friends of Coach Law (Law even suggested his friend to be the head coach when BCB asked his opinion)...and even you...when you (an English) became the DG head-coach, you had your friend Julien Fountain (an English) as your fielding coach, no? I don't know whether you request it personally or not...but as an outsider we saw an English head-coach and an English fielding-coach. I thought that was great. Look, I'm not saying it's right or wrong and I'm sure friends or non-friends everyone (the coaching staff) got to do/prove their own work. Reference or recommentdation will take people so far... Incompetent people can't retain their job.

I love you and respect you as much as I love and respect all our BD coaches (Whatmore, Siddons, Law, Fountain, Jurgensen, Swift, Salahuddin, Sarwar and so on.) I thank them and thank you for their/your service to my Bangladesh :flag:. :)

Shubho
April 17, 2012, 04:46 PM
Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
What's all this bull crap about going after particular nationalities? Why can't they interview based on merit only?

^Dude, you're quoting from Shamokal, which is well known for misreporting (as are countless other Bangladeshi dailies). So, don't jump the gun with your criticism.

I'm sure the truth is that BCB is NOT targeting a particular nationality. They just want a foreign coach, albeit not from PAK or IND. Somebody within BCB may have hinted to Shamokal that they are focusing on a particular South African and Shamokal, in turn, probably misreported it as BCB is considering a South African coach only.

Miraz
April 17, 2012, 04:57 PM
I read somewhere about head coaches:

Gary Kirsten had never been a Head Coach before India
Andy Flower had never been a Head Coach before England
Ottis Gibson had never been a Head Coach before West Indies
Jamie Siddons had never been a Head Coach before Bangladesh

I think it shows that it is perfectly possible to be a Head Coach in waiting. But we all have our own thoughts on what a team needs to make it a great one.

I am not from Australia so would think that works against me in Asian cricket for some reason anyway :) Bangladesh has a love affair with Green & Gold.

Hi Ian, thanks for your opinion. I never said that an assistant cannot be a head coach, but we can ill afford it due to the temperamental nature of our young cricketers. The situation in India and England are very different and they have cricket legends in their ranks with proper cricket infrastructures. The role of head coaches in India and England are quite different to that of Bangladesh.

You mentioned about Siddons and that appointment is a prime example why should not do the same and appoint someone who has never managed an international team as a head coach.

It would be great to have you among the coaching staff as I believe you would be able to add value to the team. I rate you very highly as a bowling coach. However, I personally think a young and inconsistent team like Bangladesh needs someone who has experience at international level or at least county level. Someone like Dav Whatmore or Mick Newell.

Ian Pont
April 17, 2012, 04:58 PM
when you (an English) became the DG head-coach, you had Julien Fountain (an English) as your fielding coach, no? I don't know whether you request it personally or not...

No, I didn't request or insist on it, Julien was appointed by the owners of DG as he is the world's best fielding coach. The DG idea was to get the very best coaching staff (that's why they also bagged the national trainer and physio).

On the point about bringing in people from your own country, someone like Zimbabwean Grant Flower is an exceptional batting coach for example. I would be delighted to have him as a batting coach. Also Jimmy Cook of South Africa or Mark O'Neil from NZ.

It makes sense to have people around you that you get on with, but they also have to firstly be the right person for that role. This isn't about giving mates a job. It's about getting the best out of a developing team.

I often feel it's an excuse (and mistake) to allow a head coach to bring in their own staff. Many head coaches cannot be objective.

Ian Pont
April 17, 2012, 05:03 PM
Hi Ian, thanks for your opinion. I never said that an assistant cannot be a head coach, but we can ill afford it due to the temperamental nature of our young cricketers. The situation in India and England are very different and they have cricket legends in their ranks with proper cricket infrastructures. The role of head coaches in India and England are quite different to that of Bangladesh.

You mentioned about Siddons and that appointment is a prime example why should not do the same and appoint someone who has never managed an international team as a head coach.

It would be great to have you among the coaching staff as I believe you would be able to add value to the team. I rate you very highly as a bowling coach. However, I personally think a young and inconsistent team like Bangladesh needs someone who has experience at international level or at least county level. Someone like Dav Whatmore or Mick Newell.

Duncan Fletcher may not agree that India is such a bed of roses. I understand your desire to make Bangladesh a 'special case'. Having worked in the system (unlike you I am guessing unless you are an International coach) I can assure you Bangladesh is no different to anywhere else when it comes to being a Head Coach. The secret, as in all Head coach roles, is to man-manage, motivate and get self-belief systems working well. Understanding how to do that comes from understanding the players. It's a role you have to do in any changing room. The month of BPL shows what can be done with the right approach, plans and tactics.

From your comments though, let us all hope that I am not going for the role with Bangladesh Cricket.

idrinkh2O
April 17, 2012, 05:03 PM
@TIKboss, khaiche amara, apni abar ke discussion shuru korlen... kon desher coach better...wait and see what i mean. shobai vhalo, shobdesher coach-e valo, excellent. :D

Mahmood
April 17, 2012, 05:09 PM
Not every one with international career will be great coach, not all great coaches had international career.

Bangladesh needs someone who can deliver success, understands the culture and communicate to the players.

Not all fans here understands that, even many were against Siddons, who delivered us to the next level. At the end of the day, its the players who make it happen, coach can only do so much. Whatever Siddons did was good enough.

Ian Pont has already proven what he can do. I would rather take this sure shot than gamble with big names with flashy international careers.

shafayeen
April 17, 2012, 06:44 PM
let us all hope that I am not going for the role with Bangladesh Cricket.[/QUOTE]

Coach, Does the opinions of the mere fans of this forum really matter that much? When Coach Siddons came, a lot of us liked it while others didnt. When he left, some celebrated while some marvelled at his work with Tamim's batting. When Coach Law wasnt producing results, people called for his head and after the Asia Cup, BAM! he suddenly became what we were looking for all along. Technically all we are in this forum are cricket enthusiastics with a lot of time on our hands. With your experience and caliber behind you, you really dont have to defend or prove yourself. Inspite of whatever whoever thinks, If you want the position and are satisfied with the monetary amount BCB presumably may offer you, than you take it, if it doesnt work out, you dont.

Crickbang
April 17, 2012, 06:49 PM
I think the shortlist will have pretty much the same coaches who applied for the job last year. Here's my list:

Mick Newell (I will take him hands down this time around if nobody wants to come to BD for two years at least)

Trevor Bayliss (if only BCB can pry him away from the IPL. Oh wait he's with the KKR. How cool is that? Let's tell Shakib to talk to him and strike up a deal with him, instead of Loitta doing it).

Michael Bevan (Bevo and his 65 avg in the ODIs. Awesome combo for a HC).

Vincent Barnes(?) (Is "Barnsie" interested this year? He might not get anything better than BD after turning it down last year)

Tom Moody (What's Tommy doing nowadays? I'm just curious. Might not be a bad coaching option for him)

David Lloyd (Hey Bumble, wanna coach an international cricket team again? I know you last coached a decade ago with England).

****Wild Card****:

Stephen Fleming (We can only dream. Why not?)

No seriously guys, I think this is as good as it will get for a list this year. Actually, the coaching pool for this year might be better once BCB puts out their ad online. Who knows. That's my list. Please feel free to put your inputs in.

BengaliPagol
April 17, 2012, 07:26 PM
No, I didn't request or insist on it, Julien was appointed by the owners of DG as he is the world's best fielding coach. The DG idea was to get the very best coaching staff (that's why they also bagged the national trainer and physio).

On the point about bringing in people from your own country, someone like Zimbabwean Grant Flower is an exceptional batting coach for example. I would be delighted to have him as a batting coach. Also Jimmy Cook of South Africa or Mark O'Neil from NZ.

It makes sense to have people around you that you get on with, but they also have to firstly be the right person for that role. This isn't about giving mates a job. It's about getting the best out of a developing team.

I often feel it's an excuse (and mistake) to allow a head coach to bring in their own staff. Many head coaches cannot be objective.

Hey Ian i honestly want you to be the Head Coach for Bangladesh. You already have been with the Bangladeshi team and everyone knows the passion you have. I dont understand the risk involved in appointing you as Head Coach.

The real question is DO YOU WANT TO BE HEAD COACH FOR BANGLADESH? (Please say yes) :flag:

jeesh
April 18, 2012, 12:11 AM
I think the shortlist will have pretty much the same coaches who applied for the job last year. Here's my list:

Mick Newell (I will take him hands down this time around if nobody wants to come to BD for two years at least)

Trevor Bayliss (if only BCB can pry him away from the IPL. Oh wait he's with the KKR. How cool is that? Let's tell Shakib to talk to him and strike up a deal with him, instead of Loitta doing it).

Michael Bevan (Bevo and his 65 avg in the ODIs. Awesome combo for a HC).

Vincent Barnes(?) (Is "Barnsie" interested this year? He might not get anything better than BD after turning it down last year)

Tom Moody (What's Tommy doing nowadays? I'm just curious. Might not be a bad coaching option for him)

David Lloyd (Hey Bumble, wanna coach an international cricket team again? I know you last coached a decade ago with England).

****Wild Card****:

Stephen Fleming (We can only dream. Why not?)

No seriously guys, I think this is as good as it will get for a list this year. Actually, the coaching pool for this year might be better once BCB puts out their ad online. Who knows. That's my list. Please feel free to put your inputs in.

Moody not interested in long term coaching role. Bayliss a possibility if KKR's campaign doesnt go well. Barnes not interested (I doubt we will approach him given we already have a bowling coach). David Lloyd-terrific person but doubt his ability as a coach. Fleming-like you said wild card.

Bevan and Newell are both very exciting options. Newell particularly has the experience of coaching a lot of emerging English stars.

fuadomar
April 18, 2012, 02:06 AM
i can't remember the head-coach of Khulna.
Robin Singh from India (Coach of MI in IPL)

Dilscoop
April 18, 2012, 02:38 AM
Is Mike Young still in contract with ACB? If not, I'd want him to come to BD.

patriot
April 18, 2012, 04:11 AM
IPL is the sole reason why the number of candidates for the job gets narrowed down as already there are very little good coaches out there.

I don't understand why some of us are obsessed with getting a coach who has had considerable amount of experience as a Head Coach . That doesn't guarantee success . Our team needs a coach who actually wants to genuinely help the boys over come their technical/mental difficulties , someone who can form a bond kind of thing with the players and create that winning atmosphere in the dressing room .

I would prefer a coach from the domestic circuit of South Africa or England . No Australians please.

BengaliPagol
April 18, 2012, 04:15 AM
Is Mike Young still in contract with ACB? If not, I'd want him to come to BD.

Whats ACB? Australian Cricket Board? Its now called Cricket Australia.

Dilscoop
April 18, 2012, 04:25 AM
Whats ACB? Australian Cricket Board? Its now called Cricket Australia.

That answered all my questions. Thank you. :rolleyes:

#wastepost

mar umpire
April 18, 2012, 04:53 AM
khaled mahmud. Sobkichute gondho khuje pai.
<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition

Couldn't agree more
Problem is he contributes to the smell more than anyone else

mar umpire
April 18, 2012, 04:57 AM
IPL is the sole reason why the number of candidates for the job gets narrowed down as already there are very little good coaches out there.

I don't understand why some of us are obsessed with getting a coach who has had considerable amount of experience as a Head Coach . That doesn't guarantee success . Our team needs a coach who actually wants to genuinely help the boys over come their technical/mental difficulties , someone who can form a bond kind of thing with the players and create that winning atmosphere in the dressing room .

I would prefer a coach from the domestic circuit of South Africa or England . No Australians please.

I want someone, like
a little guy that lives in a blue world
And all day and all night and everything he sees
Is just blue like him inside and outside
Blue is his house with a blue little window
And a blue corvette
And everything is blue for him and hisself
And everybody around
Cos he ain't got nobody to listen to

firstlane
April 18, 2012, 05:20 AM
Mohshin kamal anyone?

Tmahmud
April 18, 2012, 05:26 AM
I want someone, like
a little guy that lives in a blue world
And all day and all night and everything he sees
Is just blue like him inside and outside
Blue is his house with a blue little window
And a blue corvette
And everything is blue for him and hisself
And everybody around
Cos he ain't got nobody to listen to


:up::up: :floor::floor:

Miraz
April 18, 2012, 06:02 AM
Mohshin kamal anyone?

How about Trevor Chappel?

Deadly duo.

tiger_army
April 18, 2012, 06:21 AM
aussie coach chai!
aussie aussie aussie oi oi oi

Rabz
April 18, 2012, 06:39 AM
Mohshin kamal anyone?

How about Trevor Chappel?

Deadly duo.

Indeed indeed.
They would be The Duo and we would be The Dead. :lol::lol:

dash
April 18, 2012, 07:10 AM
Indeed indeed.
They would be The Duo and we would be The Dead. :lol::lol:

then we can haunt the other teams :)

Rabz
April 18, 2012, 08:28 AM
^^ I thought Shahadat already does that. :D

Night_wolf
April 18, 2012, 08:29 AM
^^ I thought Shahadat already does that. :D

he haunts our team:facepalm:

Jadukor
April 18, 2012, 08:45 AM
Personally I would be happy if Ian Pont did become the coach. I have not seen any other non bangladeshi Coach display this much interest and passion for our cricket. I know some members here do not like him but no body can argue against the fact that Ian knows our players and most of the times he talks sense and about the same problems we scream and shout about regarding our cricket.

-For example He always said he wanted three pace bowling option like most of us in the forum
-He always preferred Nazmul and hoped he gets selected... guess what so did we!
-He got the best out of Ash in DPL and best out of our thin bowling resources while in charge.
-He listens to the fans here... and I am sure he will continue to do so even on the job which means we would be able to communicate our views with him and the team!
-He has experience as a coach, he has the passion and interest in Bangladesh cricket while fully knowing our BCB idiots and the inconsistency of our players. Rather than a new coach who will come and learn about all the players from zero, this is a guy that knows the system and the players inside out.

So why not we go with him?

Night_wolf
April 18, 2012, 08:49 AM
Personally I would be happy if Ian Pont did become the coach. I have not seen any other non bangladeshi Coach display this much interest and passion for our cricket. I know some members here do not like him but no body can argue against the fact that Ian knows our players and most of the times he talks sense and about the same problems we scream and shout about regarding our cricket.

-For example He always said he wanted three pace bowling option like most of us in the forum
-He always preferred Nazmul and hoped he gets selected... guess what so did we!
-He got the best out of Ash in DPL and best out of our thin bowling resources while in charge.
-He listens to the fans here... and I am sure he will continue to do so even on the job which means we would be able to communicate our views with him and the team!
-He has experience as a coach, he has the passion and interest in Bangladesh cricket while fully knowing our BCB idiots and the inconsistency of our players. Rather than a new coach who will come and learn about all the players from zero, this is a guy that knows the system and the players inside out.

So why not we go with him?

it doesn't matter what we want..BCB and Ian both dont want this

al-Sagar
April 18, 2012, 08:51 AM
J. Boycott
<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition (Blackberry)

even my grandmother who knows almost nothing about cricket will be a better option than Geoffrey Boycott.

mufi_02
April 18, 2012, 08:52 AM
We don't know what either BCB or Ian wants. Who knows maybe Lotus and Ian are enjoying our in-depth, state of the art, 21st century analysis and laughing.

Ian Pont
April 18, 2012, 11:30 AM
We don't know what either BCB or Ian wants. Who knows maybe Lotus and Ian are enjoying our in-depth, state of the art, 21st century analysis and laughing.

ME: :floor:
LOTUS: :lol:

Rifat
April 18, 2012, 02:27 PM
Personally I would be happy if Ian Pont did become the coach. I have not seen any other non bangladeshi Coach display this much interest and passion for our cricket. I know some members here do not like him but no body can argue against the fact that Ian knows our players and most of the times he talks sense and about the same problems we scream and shout about regarding our cricket.

-For example He always said he wanted three pace bowling option like most of us in the forum
-He always preferred Nazmul and hoped he gets selected... guess what so did we!
-He got the best out of Ash in DPL and best out of our thin bowling resources while in charge.
-He listens to the fans here... and I am sure he will continue to do so even on the job which means we would be able to communicate our views with him and the team!
-He has experience as a coach, he has the passion and interest in Bangladesh cricket while fully knowing our BCB idiots and the inconsistency of our players. Rather than a new coach who will come and learn about all the players from zero, this is a guy that knows the system and the players inside out.

So why not we go with him?

Really good points Jadukor bhai! :) can't be beat! if Only Ian Pont wants the Job/BCB wants to hire someone else due to whatever reason they have... otherwise i don't see any other obstacle.

BengaliPagol
April 18, 2012, 08:00 PM
ME: :floor:
LOTUS: :lol:

I guess i get it...

MarufH
April 19, 2012, 09:03 AM
Back to topic -

Any updates on potential coaches or applicants?

Crickbang
April 19, 2012, 05:14 PM
Update: Loitta is in LOVE with Dean Jones and wants to hire him ASAP. So that Tweet from Jones was true. On the other hand, the BCB officials and directors said they haven't even started the process of hiring/interviewing yet. They are putting out a flyer online this week for potential interviewees. That's a good thing. We need to find out as many good candidate as we can rather than letting this self-centered murkho ruining the team chemistry with Jones. Actually, right now I think the directors are more sensible with their decision-making nowadays than the moron Loitta. Loitta ek khane ar baki BCB arek khane. Ki hoitese ei shob garbage???!!!

Shartaz
April 19, 2012, 05:22 PM
Dean Jones becoming the head coach might be equivalent to taking 6 steps backwards.

This guy is the king of controversy from the match fixing days to calling Hashim Amla a terrorist on Ten Sports and getting fired.

Navo
April 19, 2012, 05:35 PM
Update: Loitta is in LOVE with Dean Jones and wants to hire him ASAP. So that Tweet from Jones was true. On the other hand, the BCB officials and directors said they haven't even started the process of hiring/interviewing yet. They are putting out a flyer online this week for potential interviewees. That's a good thing. We need to find out as many good candidate as we can rather than letting this self-centered murkho ruining the team chemistry with Jones. Actually, right now I think the directors are more sensible with their decision-making nowadays than the moron Loitta. Loitta ek khane ar baki BCB arek khane. Ki hoitese ei shob garbage???!!!

Crickbang, what evidence is there that Kamal is 'in love' with Dean Jones? Please corroborate your assertion with some source, link, etc.

Crickbang
April 19, 2012, 05:41 PM
Here's a link on Shokaler Khobor:

http://www.eshokalerkhabor.com/2012/04/19/15/details/15_r3_c5.jpg

Or go to eshokalerkhabor.com (choose the April 19th issue and read the sports section (the article is on the second page of the sports section. Right on top of the page (on the right) )

Title: Coach" Niyoge Biggopti Debe Board" (Board to Put up Advertisement for Coaches)

You can find everything in detail there.

BANFAN
April 19, 2012, 05:44 PM
Update: Loitta is in LOVE with Dean Jones and wants to hire him ASAP. So that Tweet from Jones was true. On the other hand, the BCB officials and directors said they haven't even started the process of hiring/interviewing yet. They are putting out a flyer online this week for potential interviewees. That's a good thing. We need to find out as many good candidate as we can rather than letting this self-centered murkho ruining the team chemistry with Jones. Actually, right now I think the directors are more sensible with their decision-making nowadays than the moron Loitta. Loitta ek khane ar baki BCB arek khane. Ki hoitese ei shob garbage???!!!

LK is paving his exit route, by going against his directors....

Any way, can you post the tweets of jones or LK...to assert that LK is favoring DJ?

Edit: sorry saw that post after posting this one. I think LK has some language problem...in the process of encouraging people to apply, he uses language that people think that he is being offered the post. He is doing it for a long time now.

Even the confusions around Pak series could be his language, because as we see now, the arrangements were very rationale, if ICC accepts the security plan and agrees to send officials, only then the tour will take place. That's a very rational position....but when he gives interview, he talks about all the shits like survival of BPL etc....all rubbish

Crickbang
April 19, 2012, 05:45 PM
LK is paving his exit route, by going against his directors....

Any way, can you post the tweets of jones or LK...to assert that LK is favoring DJ?


Please follow the post on top of yours. It has the link. Take for what it's worth. Real game is still far away once get deep into this hiring process. All the blunders and clashes with Loitta and the BCB. Will be fun. Even funnier than last year. :)

mar umpire
April 19, 2012, 08:10 PM
Dean Jones becoming the head coach might be equivalent to taking 6 steps backwards.

This guy is the king of controversy from the match fixing days to calling Hashim Amla a terrorist on Ten Sports and getting fired.

Exactly
Not to mention problems he'll have with our players

BANFAN
April 20, 2012, 01:35 AM
Dean Jones becoming the head coach might be equivalent to taking 6 steps backwards.

This guy is the king of controversy from the match fixing days to calling Hashim Amla a terrorist on Ten Sports and getting fired.

Shuvo, Nayeem ..and the likes, will face a lot of trouble coming near the national team....even with excellent performances in domestic.......if DJ is the HC. Is that a real possibility ..?? :)

MSM B2C
April 20, 2012, 02:45 AM
I would be happy if they find better coach's than Dean Jone's Otherwise stick to him!

J Mo
April 20, 2012, 05:47 AM
Duncan Fletcher may not agree that India is such a bed of roses. I understand your desire to make Bangladesh a 'special case'. Having worked in the system (unlike you I am guessing unless you are an International coach) I can assure you Bangladesh is no different to anywhere else when it comes to being a Head Coach. The secret, as in all Head coach roles, is to man-manage, motivate and get self-belief systems working well. Understanding how to do that comes from understanding the players. It's a role you have to do in any changing room. The month of BPL shows what can be done with the right approach, plans and tactics.

From your comments though, let us all hope that I am not going for the role with Bangladesh Cricket.
I agree with Ian 100%.And there is 0% chance that Miraz is an international coach.I am sure he is not an SME(Subject matter expert) in cricket.So his view is only his view.
I sincerely hope BCB will offer Ian the HC position.

Rabz
April 20, 2012, 05:51 AM
Hit thread khulchi, hit thread khulchi :D :D

:joy::joy::joy:

(This one is for Zee :D)

Rabz
April 20, 2012, 06:00 AM
I agree with Ian 100%.And there is 0% chance that Miraz is an international coach.I am sure he is not an SME(Subject matter expert) in cricket.So his view is only his view.

Last time we checked, this is 100% fan forum. You dont have to be subject matter expert to express your opinion here.

As per your theory, only Coach Pont's opinion would be valid.
Cuz rest be assured, 99.9801% members here are NOT international coach.

max410
April 20, 2012, 06:48 AM
Coach IAN PONT has his own coaching business in ENGLAND he needs to take care of that so he cannot give full time commitment to any International team.
lets just wait and see who applies i would prefer Michael Bevan over Dean jones

J Mo
April 20, 2012, 07:06 AM
Last time we checked, this is 100% fan forum. You dont have to be subject matter expert to express your opinion here.

As per your theory, only Coach Pont's opinion would be valid.
Cuz rest be assured, 99.9801% members here are NOT international coach.
If you read carefully-I said Miraz's view only his view(Perhaps few other's view).And I know it is a 100% fan base forum. And I was expressing my view.I did not say only Ian's view will be valid. But there is a far better chance if you listen to an expert's opinion to resolve any issue.Say some one has heart problem-better seek advice of a cardiologist,do not go to a "kobiraz".
Remind you Miraz's previous comment regarding Ian Pont's appointment as HC was insulting(when he said something like appointing IP as HC is same as
Guinea pig experimenting).

Ian Pont
April 20, 2012, 08:22 AM
Guys... fans (as all of us are ultimately) have a legitimate view and a forum is the right place to make those views known. I only have an issue with 'facts' though and whilst it's healthy to have differing views - facts are not disputable.

People will interpret things as they see fit to make a case one way or the other. It's what healthy debate is all about.

However, when we deal in facts, we cannot dispute them.

Ahsan
April 20, 2012, 01:15 PM
I hope Miraz bhai does not propose someone this time and then does an about turn (maybe rightly so) in six months :P You did propose Siddons last time, and it did not take long for you to join with those who were calling for his head in few months later :) Sorry Miraz bhai I could not resist this :) With will due respect, this is just for looking things in retrospect. I am confident you have gained more experience in analyzing cricket matters over the years.

Nadim
April 20, 2012, 01:36 PM
Hit thread khulchi, hit thread khulchi :D :D

:joy::joy::joy:

(This one is for Zee :D)

Congrats Rabz dada :goal:

(Dekhlen, ei projon keu congrats o bollo na....ga jole ar ki :-p)

firstlane
April 20, 2012, 06:19 PM
I hope Miraz bhai does not propose someone this time and then does an about turn (maybe rightly so) in six months :P You did propose Siddons last time, and it did not take long for you to join with those who were calling for his head in few months later :)
This is not an irrational thing to do. Looking from distance and based on the past you might develop an opinion on someone but when you get to see them in action closely your opinion could very well change. What would be irrational is if you continue defending your opinion for the sake of defending just because you took a side in the first place. A lot of us were skeptical about Stuart Law in the beginning and we were rightly doing so because he had no previous success from what we could find confidence and media didn't tell us a lot about him and his work with the team. But once we saw some results and media brought his views to us we started to like him. It could be the other way around too. The example is Greg Chapel for India. There is nothing wrong with it.

Rabz
April 21, 2012, 12:22 AM
Congrats Rabz dada :goal:

(Dekhlen, ei projon keu congrats o bollo na....ga jole ar ki :-p)

Tumie amar shesh asha bhorosha Nadim.
Tumi na thakle ki je kortam ei BC te !! :big_hug::big_hug:

M.H.Rubel
April 21, 2012, 08:33 AM
So this is clear IAN is a very popular person BC
View Poll Results: Do you want Ian Pont as head coach?
Yes 42 52.50%
No 21 26.25%
50-50 12 15.00%
Some one else(Please mention name) 5 6.25%

http://banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=40811

M.H.Rubel
April 21, 2012, 08:39 AM
I am tired of these serial Ausi coaches.We need a change.No more ausi please.

BANFAN
April 21, 2012, 08:39 AM
Something definitely is wrong, if someone comments on firing a guy, without knowing anything about him. You can be skeptical or doubtful about his ability, but can't ask for firing him, for not knowing about him.

No Greg chapel isn't a relevant example, he was welcomed in India and he got the best treatment that a foreign coach can get. None was asking for his head, until their WC performance. Board supported him even through all the conflicts he was having with Ganguly and all...



This is not an irrational thing to do. Looking from distance and based on the past you might develop an opinion on someone but when you get to see them in action closely your opinion could very well change. What would be irrational is if you continue defending your opinion for the sake of defending just because you took a side in the first place. A lot of us were skeptical about Stuart Law in the beginning and we were rightly doing so because he had no previous success from what we could find confidence and media didn't tell us a lot about him and his work with the team. But once we saw some results and media brought his views to us we started to like him. It could be the other way around too. The example is Greg Chapel for India. There is nothing wrong with it.

firstlane
April 21, 2012, 10:56 AM
Something definitely is wrong, if someone comments on firing a guy, without knowing anything about him. You can be skeptical or doubtful about his ability, but can't ask for firing him, for not knowing about him.

No Greg chapel isn't a relevant example, he was welcomed in India and he got the best treatment that a foreign coach can get. None was asking for his head, until their WC performance. Board supported him even through all the conflicts he was having with Ganguly and all...

Whoever asked for Law's sacking they did it after seeing teams result against zim, pak & WI except LBW103 who asked for his head from day one.

And Greg Chapel is definitely a relevant example. Read carefully what I wrote- "it could be other way around too". Ganguly invited Greg based on his personal relationship with him and Indian people were excited about it. Players and fans went against him not just because of the WC result. The main reasons were his treatment of Tendulkar and obviously Ganguly, not to mention his showing of middle finger to the fans.

MohammedC
April 21, 2012, 01:16 PM
Former Australia batsman Dean Jones was the first to express his interest, before 49-year old former England all-rounder Dermot Reeve also threw his hat in the ring for the position

It was also learnt that those from previous coaching setups, including Jamie Siddons, could also apply for the job but the BCB sources said that they are looking for a new face.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=231078

Saifulsohel
April 21, 2012, 01:29 PM
Big no to siddons. O teame aslei junayed,rokibul teame asbe.

Roey Haque
April 21, 2012, 02:00 PM
Okay, so I mentioned Lance Klusner before, and would be happy if we got him. But another choice just beckoned me. How about Balwinder Sandhu, who was the coach of the Dhaka Warriors? Lot of the peeps have talked about building relationships with the players, well this guy had excellent rapport with all his players. No problem at all in that department.

MohammedC
April 21, 2012, 02:15 PM
Okay, so I mentioned Lance Klusner before,

And i replied but you did not notice.


BCB almost hired Lance Klusener before they hired Ian Pont. Lance accepted then refused sighting family problem.

Archived News from Cricinfo September 2010


Klusener turns down Bangladesh coaching role

Lance Klusener, the former South Africa allrounder, has finally turned down the offer to take over as Bangladesh's bowling coach, ending a prolonged period of speculation over his possible appointment. Klusener, who was in discussions to replace Sri Lanka's Champaka Ramanayake, was reportedly unable to convince his wife about a permanent move to Bangladesh.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/story/475554.html

zsayeed
April 21, 2012, 02:22 PM
oh my, I feel a bit...

MohammedC
April 21, 2012, 02:30 PM
Dermot Alexander Reeve

His international career would have been longer if his ability to irk opponents hadn't extended to his team-mates. He left Warwickshire in 1997 to become Somerset's coach, and worked as an incisive commentator for Channel 4 until a newspaper expose of his cocaine addiction forced him to quit.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/19364.html

hmmm dont know what to say. Is it worse than Deano's comment on Hashim Amla?