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M.H.Rubel
April 17, 2012, 12:57 PM
Lots of debate is going about Ian Pont as head coach.Let see who is in which group?

M.H.Rubel
April 17, 2012, 12:59 PM
Lot of things to consider here.Ian has some good success with bangladesh.He got the passion for Bangladesh cricket.Only thing lacked with him is lack of experience as head coach.To me if we fail manage a high profile head coach,in that case i am with Ian.I want to utilize his passion for Bangladesh cricket.So I vopted for 50-50 option.

Zeeshan
April 17, 2012, 01:42 PM
I don't think making it a public poll was a good idea.

BANFAN
April 17, 2012, 01:54 PM
It depends on who all are contending with him... But I voted yes, because I think he can be one of the strong contenders.....

We may like a lot of big names... But hardly anyone will like to be associated with us.... We will always get hyped up empty vessel big names.... So, it's better that we chose amongst the Known/proven, skilled and professional new coaches, who will take the job seriously and stick with us for some time. Ian is a very good candidate IMO.

Equinox
April 17, 2012, 02:03 PM
I voted no but it really depends on who applies. Nothing personal against Ian, I appreciate his regular contributions on the site and really enjoy reading his insights. However, it's just too big a risk at this stage of our cricket. If the position for the head of the Academy was up for grabs (which I believe it is) I'd have no hesitation in backing Ian for the job a 100%. He is great at building relationships with his players and acting as father figure for them which would really benefit the upcoming lot but at this level you just need that bit more experience-wise.

Equinox
April 17, 2012, 02:04 PM
Btw, what's the poing of having both no and someone else on the poll? Isn't it the same thing? :facepalm:

Habib
April 17, 2012, 02:08 PM
Btw, what's the poing of having both no and someone else on the poll? Isn't it the same thing? :facepalm:

Ditto. The last option is redundant.

M.H.Rubel
April 17, 2012, 02:16 PM
Some one else with name option was introduce to here about any one with any specific name.

M.H.Rubel
April 17, 2012, 02:20 PM
I don't think making it a public poll was a good idea.

Public poll is always interesting.Its a face opener.LOL.

Habib
April 17, 2012, 02:22 PM
Some one else with name option was introduce to here about any one with any specific name.

Well, we have a thread there already to discuss that and this thread is focused on coach Ian Pont only, no?
Anyhow, very timely thread Rubel bhai :up: :up:

Habib
April 17, 2012, 02:26 PM
Public poll is always interesting.Its a face opener.LOL.

On the contrary, I think the voting result may change to some extent if the same poll is given with private settings. LOL.

M.H.Rubel
April 17, 2012, 02:34 PM
On the contrary, I think the voting result may change to some extent if the same poll is given with private settings. LOL.

Well,In general votes lot of votes does not mean anything to me.But votes by the old users means a lot to me.I want to see where most of the veterans votes.:):)

roman
April 17, 2012, 02:53 PM
Like BCB cares about what we want :)

Anyway, I have said this before, Ian has been tagged as bowling coach. And BCB has this infatuation about batting coach. So I think Ian has a very slim chance here to be our head coach.

As far as what I want...to be honest, its way too early for me to say who I want as Head coach. I dont even know who Ian is contending with. I would take him as our bowling coach or our Academy head coach in a heartbeat though..

mufi_02
April 17, 2012, 02:53 PM
Well,In general votes lot of votes does not mean anything to me.But votes by the old users means a lot to me.I want to see where most of the veterans votes.:):)

Wait? Can you see who voted for what? I thought the whole process was anonymous. Ahh Rubel bhai, now you know my opinion. Kauke boilen nah kintu :D

Zeeshan
April 17, 2012, 03:11 PM
Voted no. Mainly because I feel we need someone with batting specialty to lead the team. SLA's do a fair job, pacers are as weak and flabby as venomless serpents, but many times we have seen the collapse of the batting. We really need a strong batting team, as the careless shots, fishing, nicks, etcetera which although has been reduced drastically still persists in the team. On the other hand, we can get by with an ok-pace team.

Again, just my opinion.

nycpro96
April 17, 2012, 04:54 PM
I think he would be a great coach. He builds relationships with the players very well and seems to have a true love for Bangladesh cricket. The pacers improved heavily under him so he could help with that as well. I'm sure he knows how to help out batsman as well but as the head coach, his main job should be to assist the team in terms of motivation and as a leader in all regards. He would be a great head coach for Bangladesh. We saw what he did with the Gladiators. The man has it. Honestly, he should be given a go.

Naimul_Hd
April 17, 2012, 10:44 PM
Some one else(Please mention name) Ian Pont (http://banglacricket.com/alochona/member.php?u=11037)


Ian has himself voted for someone else, indicating he may not be interested in BD coaching position. :)

Dilscoop
April 17, 2012, 10:56 PM
Ian Pont is a nice dude. And that was his way of saying, I don't really a give a fuzznut. He doesn't want the job. So you can stop all the debate.

And fyi, I voted. I voted on the "Rate-Thread."

zsayeed
April 17, 2012, 10:58 PM
Coach Ian doesn't want if:(

WorldCup11
April 17, 2012, 11:48 PM
Remember Ian Pont was Gladiators coach. He must have seen "Gladiator" movie many times too. He know these famous quotes from the movie .. and voted as "Maximus" himself :)


Marcus Aurelius: Won't you accept this great honor that I have offered you?
Maximus: With all my heart, no.
Marcus Aurelius: Maximus, that is why it must be you.

jeesh
April 18, 2012, 12:03 AM
Voted yes. Because i havent come across a foreigner who is so passionate about our game. Only thing is BCB wont share our sentiments

layperson
April 18, 2012, 12:03 AM
I think Ian took the long route to answer the simple question I had presented to him in the other thread. Well one thing is clear, if the man is not interested then there is no debate to be had here if he is suitable or not. Let not waste our time arguing about it when the man in question thinks someone else should be our head coach.
Mods : time to close this thread maybe.

Night_wolf
April 18, 2012, 12:39 AM
voted yes..Ian pont as BD coach is win win situation for me for every result

WorldCup11
April 18, 2012, 12:52 AM
Voted Yes, I’ll always choose a leader who doesn’t want to lead, because he doesn't have the greed for it. If he still accepts this position, it’ll be because of his love/passion for BD cricket, not for power, ambition or money. He’ll be able do his job sincerely without any fear. My thoughts..

Roey Haque
April 18, 2012, 01:02 AM
Of course we should have this gem in the team management, but as a bowling coach. As the head coach, I think we need an all rounder maybe. Lance Klusner?

idrinkh2O
April 18, 2012, 01:07 AM
Voted for Someone else option.
Reason:
- Coach Pont himself doesn't want the job (as he indicated in the poll)

Ian Pont
April 18, 2012, 02:12 AM
Remember Ian Pont was Gladiators coach. He must have seen "Gladiator" movie many times too. He know these famous quotes from the movie .. and voted as "Maximus" himself :)


Marcus Aurelius: Won't you accept this great honor that I have offered you?
Maximus: With all my heart, no.
Marcus Aurelius: Maximus, that is why it must be you.

I used a revised quote from the film at DG press conferences "We are here to entertain"

Nice..someone who gets it :applause:

Leafs PWN
April 18, 2012, 02:51 AM
I just wanna point something out...to the people saying they want a batting first HC. Why can't we have a batting specialist for that void?

I think discriminating a coach based on their specialty is silly. HC should be more about leadership, structure, and game plan. Whoever demonstrates those qualities the best should get the job.

To be honest, seeing our performance with the past 3 coaches, I don't think we need to worry too much about who takes over. Team is at a point where they clearly have a good base of talent. No matter who takes over, I can't see it getting much worse from here.

A coach can only do so much.

Dilscoop
April 18, 2012, 02:53 AM
"leadership, structure, and game plan"

Exactly why I named Kelly Brook as the head coach. She leads. She defo has the structure. And boy I'd love to see her game plans.

Leafs PWN
April 18, 2012, 02:57 AM
No way bro.

ScarJo beats her in all facets.

BengaliPagol
April 18, 2012, 04:13 AM
Isnt it ironic how the thread question is asking if you want Ian Pont to be HC of Bangladesh and Ian Pont himself doesnt want to do it.

I 100% agree with WorldCup11. I hope Ian Pont is thinking that way. He probably doesn want the job now but when he does get an offer to be HC for Bangladesh then he will say yes and do the job with passion.

WorldCup11
April 18, 2012, 04:55 AM
Isnt it ironic how the thread question is asking if you want Ian Pont to be HC of Bangladesh and Ian Pont himself doesnt want to do it.

I 100% agree with WorldCup11. I hope Ian Pont is thinking that way. He probably doesn want the jo. b now but when he does get an offer to be HC for Bangladesh then he will say yes and do the job with passion.


Ian is definitely thinking that way too. Please read the last line of his reply to my post :)

firstlane
April 18, 2012, 05:11 AM
voted yes..Ian pont as BD coach is win win situation for me for every result

apnar ei post ta ektu aagey dekhle aamio ha vote ditam.

Jai hok, ha joyjukto hoyese, ha joyjukto hoese, ha joyjukto hoyese. grandpa ke forum er 'chief whip' mononito kora holo.

tiger_army
April 18, 2012, 05:52 AM
NaNa Na

Rifat_02
April 18, 2012, 06:58 AM
If BCB doesnt make him an offer or if Ian Pont does not want the job then what we want wont mean anything

J Mo
April 18, 2012, 07:18 AM
Yes.
Ian is knowledgeable and methodical.
BD cricket is not an unknown territory to Ian.Besides I have a feeling he cares about our cricket.I think he will be a great coach for us.To become a great coach you do not necessarily need to be great player.Alex Ferguson or Jose Murino were not great players .

BANFAN
April 18, 2012, 08:02 AM
Remember Ian Pont was Gladiators coach. He must have seen "Gladiator" movie many times too. He know these famous quotes from the movie .. and voted as "Maximus" himself :)


Marcus Aurelius: Won't you accept this great honor that I have offered you?
Maximus: With all my heart, no.
Marcus Aurelius: Maximus, that is why it must be you.

Great... Quoted Appropriately ....

zsayeed
April 18, 2012, 11:01 AM
Remember Ian Pont was Gladiators coach. He must have seen "Gladiator" movie many times too. He know these famous quotes from the movie .. and voted as "Maximus" himself :)


Marcus Aurelius: Won't you accept this great honor that I have offered you?
Maximus: With all my heart, no.
Marcus Aurelius: Maximus, that is why it must be you.

Wow WC11! That is an awesome quote. So deep and despairing at the same time. Just begs me to learn more.

shuziburo
April 18, 2012, 12:13 PM
I absolutely would support him as a Head Coach. I like his knowledge and approach to problems.

He likes to promote himself, but I am willing to live with that. Results are the most important and I have a feeling that Pont can deliver.

Zeeshan
April 18, 2012, 12:42 PM
34:18

Ian wins by landslide margin in Dhaka caucus! :p

BANFAN
April 18, 2012, 01:15 PM
34:18

Ian wins by landslide margin in Dhaka caucus! :p

unfair....my vote isn't from Dhaka Caucus...it's BB Caucus..it's not fair to make it look like Dhaka Vs the rest....:)

senman
April 18, 2012, 03:52 PM
Coaching at this level is purely man management and since Ian Pont has been with Bangladesh for a long time(and known for his interest in BD cricket) he is in the best position to know how, when and where to improve the team. He is my choice for the coach .

BD_2015
April 18, 2012, 04:44 PM
I think Ian Pont should be our coach atleast he deserve a long term chance but I doubt he will ,one of the reason could be he is bowling specialist coach and we already have bowling coach.No one cant deny the fact that BD need to develop some good fast bowlers.Our fast bowlers future isnt bright.
He haspassion,love,enthusism,skills,experience working with BD National team players and enough knowledge to find new local talents,eagerness to improve Bangladesh cricket.

Dilscoop
April 18, 2012, 04:44 PM
(I'm neither Yes/No) People that are overlooking Ian Pont because of starstruck DG, they should know Ian did play a part in getting some of those players. And it's not like DG cheated to get those guys. They had the same amount of cap, they went through the process and the biddings to get them. It's not like DG were the Yankees of BPL, and bought their way to championship through big buys. It's the other teams' fault for not matching up with DG.

Isnaad
April 19, 2012, 07:46 AM
Champions League coming up! Dhaka Gladiators! I would wholeheartedly want Ian to focus with DG for the time being (And win us the ACLT20 just the way he won us BPL T20). ;) Meanwhile...

MohammedC
April 19, 2012, 08:00 AM
Champions League coming up! Dhaka Gladiators! I would wholeheartedly want Ian to focus with DG for the time being (And win us the ACLT20 just the way he won us BPL T20). ;) Meanwhile...

BPL champions aren't qualified for this years champions league but they will be from next year.

Isnaad
April 19, 2012, 08:08 AM
BPL champions aren't qualified for this years champions league but they will be from next year.

Even better. He should prepare the DG boys well. 2013 is gonna be ours iA :)

darkFalgun
April 21, 2012, 07:07 AM
Whenever I see people calling for a "high profile coach" at the helm of NT, I immediately think of Sacchi's immortal quote when Italian media questioned his credibility as Mian's head coach with background of a SHOE SALESMAN.
Sacchi: "I never realized that in order to become a jockey you have to have been a horse first" :lol::lol::notworthy::notworthy:
And I think my choice in the poll is pretty clear after that

mar umpire
April 21, 2012, 07:22 AM
With the headcases we have we'll need Sigmund Freud as head coach. But I don't like Freud, guy was a creep
Pont doesn't want it
don't want dean jones
we don't have many choices
Bring back law (now that we might not be going to PK)

BANFAN
April 21, 2012, 07:32 AM
Even better. He should prepare the DG boys well. 2013 is gonna be ours iA :)

DG is basically All Pakistani Team....they need to start hunting new players...since Pakistanis won't be available next year ..:)

firstlane
April 21, 2012, 07:39 AM
DG is basically All Pakistani Team....they need to start hunting new players...since Pakistanis won't be available next year ..:)

My question is- If Pakstars kindly break their promise and play in BPL will India grant them visa?

BANFAN
April 22, 2012, 11:56 AM
My question is- If Pakstars kindly break their promise and play in BPL will India grant them visa?

There is no ban oN Pak players visa....they can do whatever they want with domestic leagues or bilateral series.... But they have nothing to do in any ICC event. ..they can only opt to not to be host for the event.

Anyway, Azhar Mahmudur is playing in IPL..may be with his British Passport...:)

bujhee kom
April 22, 2012, 02:42 PM
I think it would be wonderful if Coach pont could guide the Bd Nationals as a head coach, I think he would bring a lot of good energy back into the team. I also think he would be more involved with the cricket in Bd, selection process and talent hunt kind of things and would al;ways be looking out for not only the national team but who is out there within the political perimeter of the country who play good cricket. I think he is very very interested in the Bangladesh cricket life and cricket that generates from Bd. I get so inspire injected by this coach's dedication, sense of bonding with Bangladesh, just by his sheer presence in BC. I wish he could be the Tigers' next head coach, I will pray for that.

Sohel
April 23, 2012, 11:06 PM
F Yeah! That would be the smart thing to do, which explains why it won't happen. Welcome to (G'eram) Lipupura, (Thana) Tutla, (Zyala) Loittia, Bangladesh.

Dilscoop
April 23, 2012, 11:21 PM
^^ Here he goes with the nicks. At least you gave us hints this time around.

Zeeshan
April 23, 2012, 11:24 PM
^^ Here he goes with the nicks. At least you gave us hints this time around.

Mondrian is to a tree as Sonara is to an abstraction of a phoneme to invisibility.

nightwatchman
April 24, 2012, 12:18 AM
yes and no one cares about our cricket more than Ian, Richard McKins and late Burlow and he has through knowledge about our limited infrastructure and mind set.

BD Rox
April 24, 2012, 02:46 AM
No offence, but I don't really consider him to be our head coach. We need a professional experienced man. So far I know Ian Pont is a bowler. We need a head coach who is a batsmen/has skills in batting.

Jadukor
April 24, 2012, 03:19 AM
No offence, but I don't really consider him to be our head coach. We need a professional experienced man. So far I know Ian Pont is a bowler. We need a head coach who is a batsmen/has skills in batting.

Actually Ian Pont does have a Level 3 coaching certification from UKCC ECB which means he can coach all three departments. He definitely knows more about fast bowling but that does not mean he knows nothing about the other departments.

BD Rox
April 24, 2012, 03:36 AM
Actually Ian Pont does have a Level 3 coaching certification from UKCC ECB which means he can coach all three departments. He definitely knows more about fast bowling but that does not mean he knows nothing about the other departments.

Really?! I didn't know that a 1st bowler had any idea about batting.

Zunaid
April 24, 2012, 03:38 AM
Really?! I didn't know that a 1st bowler had any idea about batting.

He started his career as a batting all rounder. He is a coach first and foremost with level 3 certification. Definitely qualified.

BD Rox
April 24, 2012, 03:40 AM
He started his career as a batting all rounder. He is a coach first and foremost with level 3 certification. Definitely qualified.

By the way, what's Level 3 Certification?:-/

Jadukor
April 24, 2012, 03:57 AM
By the way, what's Level 3 Certification?:-/

you have a very important tool at your disposal called Google. Kindly look it up.

http://static.ecb.co.uk/images/originals/pathway-23174.jpg

Boomerang
April 24, 2012, 04:10 AM
yup. i want him as the head coach. thats simple dont want to go for arguments. i just like his attitude AS A COACH
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nightwatchman
April 24, 2012, 02:21 PM
I asked him during the pakistan bangladesh final what would he suugest to Mushi if he was the coach for the last over..
He said bringing Mahmudullah instead of Sharapova...
That's a cricketing brain that needed to be developed for all the players as what to do in what situatioin and not get carried away and go jumping up and down with one or two matches...
I am y be wrong

Ian Pont
May 5, 2012, 01:32 PM
Do you think this result would still stand now knowing ganguly, wright, donald, siddons, jurgensen, newell, nielsen (name any other Aussie you can think of) plus all IPL coaches might be mentioned at various/all times by BCB or "sources close the the board'?

Still waiting for that call from President who wanted me back in BD when he spoke to me at BPL.

The one consistent thing I have realised about BD is the fan base - loyal loyal loyal. You deserve better and I hope you get the best coach available.

fuadomar
May 5, 2012, 09:04 PM
Do you think this result would still stand now knowing ganguly, wright, donald, siddons, jurgensen, newell, nielsen (name any other Aussie you can think of) plus all IPL coaches might be mentioned at various/all times by BCB or "sources close the the board'?

Still waiting for that call from President who wanted me back in BD when he spoke to me at BPL.

The one consistent thing I have realised about BD is the fan base - loyal loyal loyal. You deserve better and I hope you get the best coach available.
It will stand still. We want a competent coach who knows bangladeshi cricket and is passionate about bangladeshi cricket. You fit in it!If you love the bunch of folks that you might coach and want them to be prepared for future, why don't you call the President with authority (I know it should be other way around, but....)? You possess some rights over others as you coached them couple of times.

Dhakablues
May 5, 2012, 09:24 PM
I would prefer someone who has the passion, showed his success and can work with the local players effectively... And Ian definitely exceeds that by all means. However, I think due to our boards miopic view of only hiring for batting Head Coach, he isnt being considered (yet). But I think our management team is always looking for a sensation a drama or something that will 'wow' the reporters or crowd... Lets see what they come up with next month...

Night_wolf
May 6, 2012, 01:10 AM
Do you think this result would still stand now knowing ganguly, wright, donald, siddons, jurgensen, newell, nielsen (name any other Aussie you can think of) plus all IPL coaches might be mentioned at various/all times by BCB or "sources close the the board'?

Still waiting for that call from President who wanted me back in BD when he spoke to me at BPL.

The one consistent thing I have realised about BD is the fan base - loyal loyal loyal. You deserve better and I hope you get the best coach available.

Dont wait for BCB, i suggest you contact with BCB, just one call will put you in along with other applicants..i know it should be other way around but i doubt BCB even knows if you are interested now..its not your fault its theirs, So rather then waiting for BCB you make the 1st contact

Zunaid
May 6, 2012, 01:22 AM
Dont wait for BCB, i suggest you contact with BCB, just one call will put you in along with other applicants..i know it should be other way around but i doubt BCB even knows if you are interested now..its not your fault its theirs, So rather then waiting for BCB you make the 1st contact

Oh, they know. They read BC. They may not like what they read, but they do read. They may even laugh at us - engaging so much of our energies in discussions that will in the end have no impact with the BCB. Not in spite of the fact that, as custodians of the game in Bangladesh and tasked with the its governance and fostering the expansion and development of the game, they should realize that the game exists in the country because the fan-base exists. Simple business logic - if you ignore your clients, your product will fail.

BengaliPagol
May 6, 2012, 01:27 AM
Oh, they know. They read BC. They may not like what they read, but they do read. They may even laugh at us - engaging so much of our energies in discussions that will in the end have no impact with the BCB. Not in spite of the fact that, as custodians of the game in Bangladesh and tasked with the its governance and fostering the expansion and development of the game, they should realize that the game exists in the country because the fan-base exists. Simple business logic - if you ignore your clients, your product will fail.

Wow i never knew that. This is amazing. :)

Hi Lotus Kamal

riankhan
May 6, 2012, 02:25 AM
Dont wait for BCB, i suggest you contact with BCB, just one call will put you in along with other applicants..i know it should be other way around but i doubt BCB even knows if you are interested now..its not your fault its theirs, So rather then waiting for BCB you make the 1st contact

Some of the BCB officials do follow bro. At least I can assure you, one of them (a top ex-official, and a distant uncle of mine) is well aware of BC ;)

kalpurush
May 6, 2012, 03:12 AM
I absolutely would support him as a Head Coach. I like his knowledge and approach to problems.

He likes to promote himself, but I am willing to live with that. Results are the most important and I have a feeling that Pont can deliver.
I just love Ian's passion for the Tigers :notworthy:

Ian Pont
May 6, 2012, 03:20 AM
I just love Ian's passion for the Tigers :notworthy:

Thanks bhai.

I have always said that I have unfinished business in Bangladesh. Had I have stayed, I would have been in place for 19 months now and we could have had that pace academy cranked up and running by now - developing pace bowlers on a production line.

I loved the BPL as HC. Plus the fans in Bangladesh are awesome.

For me, it is much more than just a job or a stepping stone on the CV, as it is often is for others.

I always wish Bangladesh Cricket well. There is so much more that can be done :sigh:

kalpurush
May 6, 2012, 03:23 AM
Simple business logic - if you ignore your clients, your product will fail.
IF only Mr. Kamal & Co. knew it ^^^

kalpurush
May 6, 2012, 03:29 AM
Thanks bhai.

I have always said that I have unfinished business in Bangladesh. Had I have stayed, I would have been in place for 19 months now and we could have had that pace academy cranked up and running by now - developing pace bowlers on a production line.

I loved the BPL as HC. Plus the fans in Bangladesh are awesome.

For me, it is much more than just a job or a stepping stone on the CV, as it is often is for others.

I always wish Bangladesh Cricket well. There is so much more that can be done :sigh:
We all know ^^^ very well Ian. I hope BCB take the right decision this time and employ a coach who has passion for Bangladesh cricket and lead us into the future...

FaHiMa
May 6, 2012, 05:26 AM
Oh, they know. They read BC...

They do ? I had no idea! WOW!:O So all our ranting, all these years haven't changed a thing with BCB?

Rifat
May 6, 2012, 05:55 AM
Oh, they know. They read BC. They may not like what they read, but they do read. They may even laugh at us - engaging so much of our energies in discussions that will in the end have no impact with the BCB. Not in spite of the fact that, as custodians of the game in Bangladesh and tasked with the its governance and fostering the expansion and development of the game, they should realize that the game exists in the country because the fan-base exists. Simple business logic - if you ignore your clients, your product will fail.

This is a GREAT POST! especially the last line.

firstlane
May 6, 2012, 08:37 AM
For me, it is much more than just a job or a stepping stone on the CV, as it is often is for others.

This is a big allegation Ian. You are putting stigma on others just to prove your love for BD. I see none of our ex-coaches begging for a job in Twitter or fan-forums listing their successes with BD team.

Ian Pont
May 6, 2012, 10:43 AM
This is a big allegation Ian. You are putting stigma on others just to prove your love for BD. I see none of our ex-coaches begging for a job in Twitter or fan-forums listing their successes with BD team.

Firstlane.. I am not applying for any role at the BCB. So don't misunderstand my twitter ironic posting to my IPL colleagues about the IPL. If I wanted to apply for the HC Bangladesh role, all I have to do is apply like anyone else. You need to be a bit smarter, bhai.

Secondly, the truth is people in coaching use any role as a stepping stone to something bigger. Unless this is the biggest role they will ever have, it is of course true. Stuart is leaving to take up an important role in Australia. Dav is head coach of a higher ranked country. Jamie is likely being interviewed for the NZ head coach role. All their roles have been stepping stones to another job. That is how it always seems to turn out.

Let me be clear so you don't misunderstand my irony yet again: I am not applying for the HC of Bangladesh. I do not seek it. I would however, like to get an opportunity in the IPL because I am able to commit to that for the two months it is on, and like the BPL, T20 is something I enjoy.

Hope that's cleared it up for you, firstlane. Far from 'begging for a job" as you put it, I already have a 4 year contract in India and have a pace academy there, SO COULDN'T DO THE JOB EVEN IF I WANTED TO.

But if you followed twitter, you would know that already eh? :facepalm:

BANFAN
May 6, 2012, 04:13 PM
This is a big allegation Ian. You are putting stigma on others just to prove your love for BD. I see none of our ex-coaches begging for a job in Twitter or fan-forums listing their successes with BD team.

I don't think, that sentence/passing comment deserves such reaction. That's normal for any aspiring professional. That doesn't mean, they weren't sincere with their job, they had to be, because their achievements (+/-) in that position also counts.

To be frank, if a coach took up BD HC job in last 10 years, this was the only/primary incentive they had. What else do you think we had on offer??

Dilscoop
May 6, 2012, 04:40 PM
Not that in matters, but I just voted no, simply because it wouldn't make any sense to have 2 bowling specialist coaches, not because I don't want him to be our head coach. So IDK how can 50 people vote yes w/o realizing that and makes me wonder whether this is a popularity contest and has anything to do with coaching. If it is, then I'd like to change my vote. Yes, he is popular in BC.

Ian Pont
May 6, 2012, 05:17 PM
Not that in matters, but I just voted no, simply because it wouldn't make any sense to have 2 bowling specialist coaches, not because I don't want him to be our head coach. So IDK how can 50 people vote yes w/o realizing that and makes me wonder whether this is a popularity contest and has anything to do with coaching. If it is, then I'd like to change my vote. Yes, he is popular in BC.

Dilscoop..just read your signature. Hasn't the Bangladesh shirt got the country name on the back and the sponsors on the front? The same as England? Are you saying the sponsor is more important than the country?

PS. As a Level 3 coach and former professional allrounder, I of course coach batting. I just chose to specialise in fast bowling.
PPS. Does anyone really care

Dilscoop
May 6, 2012, 05:35 PM
Dilscoop..just read your signature. Hasn't the Bangladesh shirt got the country name on the back and the sponsors on the front? The same as England? Are you saying the sponsor is more important than the country?
ahaa! Got me there. I guess it's valid for the olden days when jerseys weren't treated as billboards. (Still valid in the American sports though.)

PS. As a Level 3 coach and former professional allrounder, I of course coach batting. I just chose to specialise in fast bowling.
PPS. Does anyone really care
I do know that as you have mentioned it many times before. And that's why I clearly wrote "bowling SPECIALIST." As you, yourself just wrote you chose to specialize in bowling. And I never said you won't be able to coach batting. But at the end of the day you get marked down as a "bowling-spe coach." And BCB already have one of those. Not that anyone really care, but if I was BCB, I won't CAN'T hire Pont, unless I can get rid of the current dude.

I think we are a bit late. Best time was when Jamie Syndromes was fired, before hiring current bowling coach. And we know why that never happened. So no point in going there.

Ian Pont
May 7, 2012, 02:47 AM
ahaa! Got me there. I guess it's valid for the olden days when jerseys weren't treated as billboards. (Still valid in the American sports though.)


I do know that as you have mentioned it many times before. And that's why I clearly wrote "bowling SPECIALIST." As you, yourself just wrote you chose to specialize in bowling. And I never said you won't be able to coach batting. But at the end of the day you get marked down as a "bowling-spe coach." And BCB already have one of those. Not that anyone really care, but if I was BCB, I won't CAN'T hire Pont, unless I can get rid of the current dude.

I think we are a bit late. Best time was when Jamie Syndromes was fired, before hiring current bowling coach. And we know why that never happened. So no point in going there.

Dilscoop.. you are quite right about not going there at all in any part of this subject.

Just to help, at Dhaka Gladiators, I was head coach and we had Mo Rafique as bowling coach. It is perfectly possible to have mutli-talented coaches in a variety of utility roles. My fear is in waiting to appoint batting specialists as head coaches, we don't know if that batting coach is a good head coach, or whether someone who chose bowling as a specialism is a better head coach option.

This is always the problem with linking batting coaching and head coaching together. I have no idea why people do it. Australia and England have stand alone head coaches and separate specialists for each discipline.

I mention it many times before because people seem to be stuck on the fact that if you coach one area you can't coach another. To become Level 3 Head Coach, you have to be able to coach all disciplines in the first place.

BengaliPagol
May 7, 2012, 03:06 AM
Dilscoop..just read your signature. Hasn't the Bangladesh shirt got the country name on the back and the sponsors on the front? The same as England? Are you saying the sponsor is more important than the country?

:floor:

Good one Pont :up:

WorldCup11
May 7, 2012, 03:21 AM
Dilscoop..just read your signature. Hasn't the Bangladesh shirt got the country name on the back and the sponsors on the front? The same as England? Are you saying the sponsor is more important than the country?



:up::up: :floor::floor:

I love my country and it always comes first for me. I voted yes because I too knew you got an unfinished business there and you'll do it with passion. :)

playmaker
May 7, 2012, 06:24 AM
Ian Pont certainly has what it takes to coach our team. Now dillu, look at DG. They had both Rafique and Pont as part of coaching staff dont they?

And if we do need we have the luxury to hire a batting coach. England even has a WK coach, or had at least

So basically, we can try Ian Pont out but I wont mind someone like revee, newell or Pybus being in the team.

BengaliPagol
May 7, 2012, 06:31 AM
Too many candidates for HC position. With all this speculation of who is in the running for the job is annoying me. I just want a good coach that will stick with the team. Someone that will work hard and think of ways to improve Bangladesh cricket. Someone who has the skill base to achieve that.

Rifat
May 7, 2012, 06:57 AM
I wonder if Ian Pont has been approached by county teams to coach for them?

shuziburo
May 7, 2012, 09:09 AM
The team is poised to make an important step and we need the right head coach. I would really like to see you as the next coach. I am not holding my breath, though. I know that our board does not always take the most logical route.

Do you think this result would still stand now knowing ganguly, wright, donald, siddons, jurgensen, newell, nielsen (name any other Aussie you can think of) plus all IPL coaches might be mentioned at various/all times by BCB or "sources close the the board'?

Still waiting for that call from President who wanted me back in BD when he spoke to me at BPL.

The one consistent thing I have realised about BD is the fan base - loyal loyal loyal. You deserve better and I hope you get the best coach available.

shuziburo
May 7, 2012, 09:12 AM
Oh, they know. They read BC. They may not like what they read, but they do read. They may even laugh at us - engaging so much of our energies in discussions that will in the end have no impact with the BCB. Not in spite of the fact that, as custodians of the game in Bangladesh and tasked with the its governance and fostering the expansion and development of the game, they should realize that the game exists in the country because the fan-base exists. Simple business logic - if you ignore your clients, your product will fail.

In Bangladesh, we are too loyal and BCB knows that. That is why they ignore us with impunity. It will not change until we raise our voice.

shuziburo
May 7, 2012, 09:18 AM
Not that in matters, but I just voted no, simply because it wouldn't make any sense to have 2 bowling specialist coaches, not because I don't want him to be our head coach. So IDK how can 50 people vote yes w/o realizing that and makes me wonder whether this is a popularity contest and has anything to do with coaching. If it is, then I'd like to change my vote. Yes, he is popular in BC.

You have been here for a while and thus might have noticed that many of us try to take the logical route. Having two bowling coaches (one as the head coach) could be an issue if the head coach cannot do the job. I don't think that to be the case with Ian Pont. I have been impressed with his knowledge and overall logical approach.

He is popular. Yes. But, IMHO, he is also capable of being an effective national head coach. I hope he does it in BD.

playmaker
May 7, 2012, 10:18 AM
While we all ponder about HC our players must also made sure they make full use of the coaching they receive. Ian himself said he asked the players if they want to practice more they said: "no" which clearly explains that the players do not have the will to become better. That is the reason why we dont have a steyn, broad or a Lee. The players have so few competition that they get a chance whether or not they perform. We need to raise the bar.

I must give credit SL for being so professional and showing faith in our boys. But it was also upto Mushfiq to create some positivity in the team. Just as Mash said earlier, there is no NEGATIVE energy in the team at recent times unlike there was during the JS era. So full credit to Mushy. Remember when he was crying at the Asia Cup match it showed how passionate he was for the team. I dont think ive seen too many players with such passion, to be honest