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BengaliPagol
April 20, 2012, 08:47 PM
Mother Thread: http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=1514185#post1514185

Which 2 players should open the batting for Bangladesh? (in ODI's)

Please only vote twice.

Make a selection in the poll above for your BanglaCricket opening batsmen. Make sure you get your votes in as the poll will expire after a week.

Discuss.

Gowza
April 20, 2012, 09:00 PM
tamim is an easy pick, the 2nd spot was between anamul and imrul. imrul has done pretty well as ODI opener but horrible as test opener. anamul is doing really well in first-class cricket but not so good in one-day cricket plus he bats at #3 sometimes rather than opening. due to test cricket being a bigger priority for me i chose anamul, plus he's really young, soo talented and has done so well at every level up to now.

BengaliPagol
April 20, 2012, 09:13 PM
tamim is an easy pick, the 2nd spot was between anamul and imrul. imrul has done pretty well as ODI opener but horrible as test opener. anamul is doing really well in first-class cricket but not so good in one-day cricket plus he bats at #3 sometimes rather than opening. due to test cricket being a bigger priority for me i chose anamul, plus he's really young, soo talented and has done so well at every level up to now.

sorry i forgot to mention that this BanglaCricket XI is for ODI's.

oronnya
April 20, 2012, 09:52 PM
tamim is an easy pick, the 2nd spot was between anamul and imrul. imrul has done pretty well as ODI opener but horrible as test opener. anamul is doing really well in first-class cricket but not so good in one-day cricket plus he bats at #3 sometimes rather than opening. due to test cricket being a bigger priority for me i chose anamul, plus he's really young, soo talented and has done so well at every level up to now.

You are right I was confused too regarding the 2nd spot ... I think we should select different team for different format.. I like Imrul as Tamim's partner for ODI..So far Tamim-Imrul partnership has the best openning partnership record..They have a good understanding.. But I want Anamul to be regular in our national team too.. He could open with Tamim in the test and play at #3 in ODI..

oronnya
April 20, 2012, 09:54 PM
sorry i forgot to mention that this BanglaCricket XI is for ]ODI's.[/B]

ohho then how can I modify my vote now :(

for ODIs Imrul gets my vote instead of Anamul

BengaliPagol
April 20, 2012, 10:47 PM
ohho then how can I modify my vote now :(

for ODIs Imrul gets my vote instead of Anamul

whoops sorry. I think mods can fix it.

Gowza
April 20, 2012, 10:50 PM
You are right I was confused too regarding the 2nd spot ... I think we should select different team for different format.. I like Imrul as Tamim's partner for ODI..So far Tamim-Imrul partnership has the best openning partnership record..They have a good understanding.. But I want Anamul to be regular in our national team too.. He could open with Tamim in the test and play at #3 in ODI..

#3 spot has a few contenders atm imo. anamul is one of them but there's also jahurul islam, shuvagata hom and even asif ahmed could be considered. but when it comes to opening i think the 2nd opener spot has to be between imrul and anamul, anamul could turnout better than imrul in one-dayers we just don't know atm.

BengaliPagol
April 20, 2012, 10:55 PM
#3 spot has a few contenders atm imo. anamul is one of them but there's also jahurul islam, shuvagata hom and even asif ahmed could be considered. but when it comes to opening i think the 2nd opener spot has to be between imrul and anamul, anamul could turnout better than imrul in one-dayers we just don't know atm.

Dont forget Sir Ash :D

AsifTheManRahman
April 20, 2012, 11:03 PM
Imrul is still my first choice number two. Albeit all his deficiencies, man can hold up one end and play big shots. Desperately needs to learn to rotate though.

Dilscoop
April 20, 2012, 11:09 PM
Zunaid and Nadim. The young and the fat. Perfect combo.

Rabz
April 21, 2012, 12:28 AM
Tamim and Imrul for the moment.

Isnaad
April 21, 2012, 07:04 AM
Tamim Iqbal and Junaid Siddique

mar umpire
April 21, 2012, 07:13 AM
Imrul is still my first choice number two. Albeit all his deficiencies, man can hold up one end and play big shots. Desperately needs to learn to rotate though.

Agreed

No Nazim-uddin
technique is horrible
16 off 52-where we lost the asia cup(discounting shahadat)

Tigers_eye
April 21, 2012, 07:26 AM
Problem is you can't pick two cause i think multiple openers are needed for multiple formats. Tamim is one. But if you are going for a away tour and you can only have one for all formats then I would have JS.

Equinox
April 21, 2012, 07:37 AM
Tamim/Anamul - Tests

Tamim/Imrul - ODIs

Tamim/Zunaed - T20s

But long-term Tamim/Anamul for all three.

M.H.Rubel
April 21, 2012, 08:48 AM
Tamim/Anamul - Tests

Tamim/Imrul - ODIs

Tamim/Zunaed - T20s

But long-term Tamim/Anamul for all three.
Agreed.Anamul is emerging.We need to nurture him well.To me he will be the future partner of TAMIM.But he needs to start gradually.We can think him as test opener first.But one thing is Nazimuddin showed a good show as test opener.

Roey Haque
April 21, 2012, 08:56 AM
I voted Tamim and Imrul. Tamim can achieve big things if he can keep on concentrating and practicing hard. And I've always said Imrul is the closest thing to a Javed Omar Belim Golla we have. I like their combination. Both awesome shot pickers, picking one bad ball per over for the boundary.

I haven't seen much of Anamul, so can't say much. But sure, anything to get rid of Mushfiq pleases me a great deal. If he can become that wicket keeper batsmen for us, we can happily say good bye to Mushfiq.

Maysun
April 21, 2012, 09:01 AM
I voted Tamim and Imrul. Tamim can achieve big things if he can keep on concentrating and practicing hard. And I've always said Imrul is the closest thing to a Javed Omar Belim Golla we have. I like their combination. Both awesome shot pickers, picking one bad ball per over for the boundary.

I haven't seen much of Anamul, so can't say much. But sure, anything to get rid of Mushfiq pleases me a great deal. If he can become that wicket keeper batsmen for us, we can happily say good bye to Mushfiq.

Why would you want to say good bye to Mushfiq? :-/

Maysun
April 21, 2012, 09:06 AM
IK is so highly underrated here in BC. He is the perfect partner for Tamim in the ODI's. Anamul should play one down and not opening in ODI's & Tests.

In T20, he should be allowed to open and his duty should be to play a long innings and stay there till the end. Most of the team are employing such strategies and I think Anamul would be perfect for that role.

BANFAN
April 21, 2012, 09:07 AM
Problem is you can't pick two cause i think multiple openers are needed for multiple formats. Tamim is one. But if you are going for a away tour and you can only have one for all formats then I would have JS.

That's what I think too...

So I voted for 4; Tamim permanent and then pick IK/JS/NU depending on form, opponent and pitch etc...

Gowza
April 21, 2012, 09:11 AM
tamim has amazing talent, i've no doubt he can be a 45+ even a 50+ average player in tests. as far as anamul goes he wouldn't take the gloves in tests if he was batting top 3, in one-dayers and t20s he could but not in tests.

x2man007
April 21, 2012, 09:28 AM
Tamim and Imrul. Anamul at #3.

Roey Haque
April 21, 2012, 09:35 AM
Why would you want to say good bye to Mushfiq? :-/

Bad keeping skills man. We have better keepers who can bat as well waiting for their chance. We had to stick with his mediocre keeping skills so long, to polish up his batting. Such sacrifices for an int. team is selfish.

Maysun
April 21, 2012, 09:49 AM
Bad keeping skills man. We have better keepers who can bat as well waiting for their chance. We had to stick with his mediocre keeping skills so long, to polish up his batting. Such sacrifices for an int. team is selfish.

Better keepers who can bat as well as Mushfique? There are WK's who maybe better than Mushfique but I don't see anyone matching Mushfique's batting skills (Not considering Anamul).

WK's in the pipeline: Jaharul, Dhiman, Sahagir, Mithun ? I don't see them as talented as Mushfique when it comes to batting.

Roey Haque
April 21, 2012, 11:56 AM
Better keepers who can bat as well as Mushfique? There are WK's who maybe better than Mushfique but I don't see anyone matching Mushfique's batting skills (Not considering Anamul).

WK's in the pipeline: Jaharul, Dhiman, Sahagir, Mithun ? I don't see them as talented as Mushfique when it comes to batting.

Jaharul and Dhiman are better. Mushfiq took ages to be where he is right now, and right now he's decent, not even good. Just stick with Jaharul and Ghosh and they will give you a quicker return on runs than Mushfiq did. Jaharul especially.

kofeenine
April 21, 2012, 02:43 PM
I don't like the concept of playing two lefties at the very beginning. It should be a combination of both: a left hander and a right hander. And this applies for all 3 formats. You give the opponent's bowler less chance to settle with the bowling line and length. So, I would prefer Tamim and Anamul or Tamim and Jahurul.

I still don't get why Imrul is so important for a lot of us. He is nothing but a 'khocha' master in all formats of cricket. He is also utterly confused with his role as an opening partner of Tamim. The underlying reason for the success of Imrul/Tamim pair is only Tamim. If Tamim continues his slow start (like Asia Cup) in future, that pair is going down to drain for sure. Imrul usually waste so many balls just to give strike to Tamim - who is usually in a mood to thrash the opponent. I personally believe, imrul is not a national team material and well suited for 'A' team. :)

Roey Haque
April 21, 2012, 03:51 PM
I don't like the concept of playing two lefties at the very beginning. It should be a combination of both: a left hander and a right hander. And this applies for all 3 formats. You give the opponent's bowler less chance to settle with the bowling line and length. So, I would prefer Tamim and Anamul or Tamim and Jahurul.

I still don't get why Imrul is so important for a lot of us. He is nothing but a 'khocha' master in all formats of cricket. He is also utterly confused with his role as an opening partner of Tamim. The underlying reason for the success of Imrul/Tamim pair is only Tamim. If Tamim continues his slow start (like Asia Cup) in future, that pair is going down to drain for sure. Imrul usually waste so many balls just to give strike to Tamim - who is usually in a mood to thrash the opponent. I personally believe, imrul is not a national team material and well suited for 'A' team. :)

Of course, I feel your train of thought here. In an ideal world where Bd is a top dog, Imrul would be brushed off without any thought given to it. I would like nothing better than an Anamul or Jaharul opening partnership with Tamim to work out. But the fact of matter is, currently Imrul has been a pretty dependable run getter for us. In any two given ODIS, he might flop in one, but will get a steady 40 in another. And that means so much for a team like Bd, to move away from those Al Sharier-Mehrab Hossain days, where it would be competition amongst our batsmen who could get out the fastest, sort of like a ballet of falling wickets.

I think you are dreaming high, which is fantastic. But I'm more cautious on these things. With Imrul I believe our team's chances of crossing the 200 mark increases, giving our bowlers something to work with. Oh, and he's a great slip fielder too. Sure I believe Anamul deserves a crack, but until that time, let's slug it out with Imrul. Who knows, you could be pleasantly surprised.

kofeenine
April 21, 2012, 04:23 PM
Of course, I feel your train of thought here. In an ideal world where Bd is a top dog, Imrul would be brushed off without any thought given to it. I would like nothing better than an Anamul or Jaharul opening partnership with Tamim to work out. But the fact of matter is, currently Imrul has been a pretty dependable run getter for us. In any two given ODIS, he might flop in one, but will get a steady 40 in another. And that means so much for a team like Bd, to move away from those Al Sharier-Mehrab Hossain days, where it would be competition amongst our batsmen who could get out the fastest, sort of like a ballet of falling wickets.

I think you are dreaming high, which is fantastic. But I'm more cautious on these things. With Imrul I believe our team's chances of crossing the 200 mark increases, giving our bowlers something to work with. Oh, and he's a great slip fielder too. Sure I believe Anamul deserves a crack, but until that time, let's slug it out with Imrul. Who knows, you could be pleasantly surprised.

Without even giving proper chances to Anamul and Jahurul you're drawing conclusions! :)

Maysun
April 21, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jaharul and Dhiman are better. Mushfiq took ages to be where he is right now, and right now he's decent, not even good. Just stick with Jaharul and Ghosh and they will give you a quicker return on runs than Mushfiq did. Jaharul especially.

I'd tend to think otherwise, Hail Mushy :)

BengaliPagol
April 21, 2012, 05:28 PM
Tamim/Anamul - Tests

Tamim/Imrul - ODIs

Tamim/Zunaed - T20s

But long-term Tamim/Anamul for all three.

In my opinion i dont think we need Anamul to be in t20's. We should have a specific team for t20's. I would stick with Tamim and Junaed for t20's and Tamim and Anamul for odi's and tests.

But ive always loved Imrul. Hes a classy player and has all the shots when he is going well.
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BengaliPagol
April 21, 2012, 05:37 PM
That's what I think too...

So I voted for 4; Tamim permanent and then pick IK/JS/NU depending on form, opponent and pitch etc...

BRO I SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED TO VOTE TWICE ONLY. IT RUINS THE BALANCE OF THE VOTING IF YOU HAVE VOTED 4 TIMES.
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BengaliPagol
April 21, 2012, 05:45 PM
Agreed

No Nazim-uddin
technique is horrible
16 off 52-where we lost the asia cup(discounting shahadat)

BRO WHY DID YOU VOTE 5 TIMES WHEN I SPECIFICALLY SAID TO ONLY VOTE TWICE? It ruins the fun for everyone. We wont have an honest opinion for which 2 batsmen should open the batting for Bangladesh.

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Tiger444
April 21, 2012, 08:20 PM
I picked Tamim and Anamul. The guys that we've tried as the 2nd opener since Tamim debuted has been SN, JO, Junaid, Nazim, and Imrul. All guys have been tried and failed. Now my question is do you go back to what hasn't worked already or take a risk and try somebody who is supposedly a big time talent? Tamim has had to go through so many different opening partners. It's time we get a guy who can be a long term solution so that Tamim can finally settle down with a player who can match his skills. All the other guys just have not been at Tamim's level at all and I believe that's 1 of the reasons why he hasn't prospered as much as he should've. Too much pressure has been built on him to carry the whole top order. It also hasn't helped that we haven't had a steady #3 and #4. That's just way too many holes and it's time we start plugging them in so that Tamim can start to get some proper support up at the top.

I believe that Imrul was an alright player but to me, the guy is nothing but a stop gap solution. He's gotten many chances now in all formats of the game and he's just far too streaky to be an opener at the international level. Basically, the best he can give you is a 100 ball 60. Many of the times when he doesn't click, he ends up scoring 30 ball 10's or 40 ball 20's or in 1 case, he ended scoring a 41 ball 5. Not saying that's bad but should we really just settle on a player like that? Some people will I'm sure because they want to be on the safe side, but if we want to become a top class side, then we need to be ambitious and try to build a team full of world class players rather then just settling on average players.

I believe Anamul has done well enough to be tried out as opener. He did pretty well in the BPL. Also he was 1 of the highest scorers in the DPL and unlike Imrul, he actually converted his 50's in to 100's and now in the NCL he was the highest scorers. Something to point out was also the way Anamul and Imrul batted recently in the NCL. Imrul could've easily scored a century from what position he was in but ended up throwing it away. Anamul on the other hand continued to build and even though he ended up missing out on a double century, he ended up with a very big score. So Anamul really showed the superior temperament and really showed that he can convert his big scores which Imrul I'm afraid hasn't been able to show.

So those are the reasons as to why I want Anamul in to open with Tamim.

AsifTheManRahman
April 21, 2012, 09:07 PM
BRO WHY DID YOU VOTE 5 TIMES WHEN I SPECIFICALLY SAID TO ONLY VOTE TWICE? It ruins the fun for everyone. We wont have an honest opinion for which 2 batsmen should open the batting for Bangladesh.

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For final results, you could discard those who have voted for more than two batsmen, then tally up the rest and post here.

BengaliPagol
April 21, 2012, 09:26 PM
For final results, you could discard those who have voted for more than two batsmen, then tally up the rest and post here.

Good idea. Thanks for the advice.

I will also change Oronnya's vote from Anamul Haque to Imrul Kayes.

So the final tally will happen after this poll is closed. It will be interesting to see the whole team after all the voting is done. It will be a true Fans XI.

Joamiq
April 21, 2012, 10:05 PM
I voted for Nazim as my partner for Tamim. I think he has the right temperament and approach, and he's still settling in, so I forgive him for his mostly uninspiring performances recently. I think he deserves to remain an opener for now. If he fails to perform after several more outings, then it's time to give Anamul his shot.

But the fact of matter is, currently Imrul has been a pretty dependable run getter for us. In any two given ODIS, he might flop in one, but will get a steady 40 in another.

Where are these runs you speak of? He hasn't gotten a half century in over a year. His test average is 17.15. Pathetic. He needs to be dropped like a stone.

BengaliPagol
April 22, 2012, 01:00 AM
I voted for Nazim as my partner for Tamim. I think he has the right temperament and approach, and he's still settling in, so I forgive him for his mostly uninspiring performances recently. I think he deserves to remain an opener for now. If he fails to perform after several more outings, then it's time to give Anamul his shot.



Where are these runs you speak of? He hasn't gotten a half century in over a year. His test average is 17.15. Pathetic. He needs to be dropped like a stone.

This is for the ODI team not tests. You cant compare someones test statistics and decide if he is a good ODI batsmen or not.

Gowza
April 22, 2012, 01:09 AM
I voted for Nazim as my partner for Tamim. I think he has the right temperament and approach, and he's still settling in, so I forgive him for his mostly uninspiring performances recently. I think he deserves to remain an opener for now. If he fails to perform after several more outings, then it's time to give Anamul his shot.



Where are these runs you speak of? He hasn't gotten a half century in over a year. His test average is 17.15. Pathetic. He needs to be dropped like a stone.

i really think nazimuddin should have been kept as a specialist test opener, he's been given chances earlier in his career in the shorter formats and not done so well, domestically he hasn't really done too well in the shorter formats and this latest run he has had in the one-day team basically means he should be dropped. had he been kept as just a test opener he'd still have his spot right now.

Zeeshan
April 22, 2012, 01:32 AM
Agree with Atimar da: By mistake didn't vote Payesh. Still resonating in my mind the great all-guns opening vs. India in World Cup 2011. These idiots don't concentrate hard when the target is not that high...only when they feel pressure they are forced to put on a big show. Or else rather lackadaisical.

I say even if the target is 230....why not set a good precedence by finishing it off in 20 odd overs instead of dhir shushte kudu kudu pudu pudu tokka tokki

Sohel
April 22, 2012, 01:38 AM
Based on the type of basic ability necessary to sustain success at the highest level (as opposed to our crappola domestic circuit): Tamim and Bijauy for all formats. Pipeline: Fazle Rabbi and Shoummo if they can get and sustain success at this level.

I wouldn't even consider the others at this point. The way they hold their bats, shut their eyes and crumble under pressure, the streaky and inevitably unsustainable runs notwithstanding, is humiliating for the whole nation. They are weak links in the chain and would cost us matches. We have young guys with better ability and they should be brought in ASAP. Conventional cricketing wisdom doesn't apply to us. A nation of lazy cricketers who get worse with age years before even beginning to hit their theoretical peaks (27-35). Decontextualized, statistical geekfesting without the benefit of actually seeing someone play doesn't help either.

Awla
April 22, 2012, 02:38 AM
Tamim & Imrul for the moment at test & ODI.. Tamim & Junaid for T20....
Anamul at no. 3 for first few years..if he surpasses our expectation then in long term open him with Tamim

Gowza
April 22, 2012, 03:50 AM
asif is a great #3 prospect to though, i think we need to work out which one of them should open and which should bat at #3 and groom them for those positions. i think anamul could be a great #3 but i think he'll do better as an opener than asif will, although they've both batted in both spots....

Tiger444
April 22, 2012, 11:53 AM
Based on the type of basic ability necessary to sustain success at the highest level (as opposed to our crappola domestic circuit): Tamim and Bijauy for all formats. Pipeline: Fazle Rabbi and Shoummo if they can get and sustain success at this level.

I wouldn't even consider the others at this point. The way they hold their bats, shut their eyes and crumble under pressure, the streaky and inevitably unsustainable runs notwithstanding, is humiliating for the whole nation. They are weak links in the chain and would cost us matches. We have young guys with better ability and they should be brought in ASAP. Conventional cricketing wisdom doesn't apply to us. A nation of lazy cricketers who get worse with age years before even beginning to hit their theoretical peaks (27-35). Decontextualized, statistical geekfesting without the benefit of actually seeing someone play doesn't help either.

Sohel bhai, I see that your a really big fan of Fazle Mahmud. I haven't heard much about him for a while. I just want to know why you think he's a good prospect. I was looking forward to seeing him in the BPL but unfortunately he didn't even get picked. Also whose Shoummo? Is that Soumya Sarkar?
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BengaliPagol
April 22, 2012, 10:20 PM
Only 41 voters on this poll? Cmon guys lets crank it up to 100 or 200 if possible. The more people voting the better. This poll finishes on Saturday.

Naimul_Hd
April 22, 2012, 10:29 PM
For Test & ODI- Tamim & Imrul

For T20- Tamim & Anamul

BengaliPagol
April 22, 2012, 10:58 PM
For Test & ODI- Tamim & Imrul

For T20- Tamim & Anamul

Imrul is horrible in tests. But i love him in ODI's.

Test - Tamim & Nazim/Anamul
ODI - Tamim & Kayes
t20 - Tamim & Junaed

I would even consider Ashraful opening the batting with Tamim in t20's.

Naimul_Hd
April 22, 2012, 11:41 PM
Imrul is horrible in tests. But i love him in ODI's. Test - Tamim & Nazim/AnamulODI - Tamim & Kayest20 - Tamim & Junaed I would even consider Ashraful opening the batting with Tamim in t20's.

Imrul may have horrible stats in Test but he compliments well Tamim. At least, Imrul has better technique and foot work than Nazim. Nazim's technique is horrendous.

BengaliPagol
April 22, 2012, 11:50 PM
Imrul may have horrible stats in Test but he compliments well Tamim. At least, Imrul has better technique and foot work than Nazim. Nazim's technique is horrendous.

Nazim's technique is horrible. Kayes moves his front foot.

Nazim has the correct temperament for tests. Kayes doesn't.

Thats what makes Nazim more successful in tests than Kayes.

Sohel
April 23, 2012, 12:29 AM
^^^With all due respect, a grand sample size of 4 test innings (31, 78, 0 and 12) on a dead track doesn't demonstrate "correct temperament" or "greater success" for tests in my book.

He has two modes: swing blind and block everything. Test batting is harder because there's no fielding restriction, and "batting slowly" by not rotating the strike/blocking full-tosses and half-volleys/ and getting bogged down in the process will get you out more often than you care to imagine. Neither Mohammad "Exquisite Timing" Kohlimuddin nor Imrul KaEdge belong in international cricket. Junaid Siddique or Jahirul Islam, guys who can't rectify basic flaws in 5-6 years I've seen them, don't either. Streaks and flukes are unsustainable, and we have better players with ability in the pipeline. They deserve a shot.

Sohel
April 23, 2012, 12:41 AM
Sohel bhai, I see that your a really big fan of Fazle Mahmud. I haven't heard much about him for a while. I just want to know why you think he's a good prospect. I was looking forward to seeing him in the BPL but unfortunately he didn't even get picked. Also whose Shoummo? Is that Soumya Sarkar?
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He reminds me of pre-Salahuddin Tamim Iqbal of the 2007 World Cup: aggression coupled with amazing hand-eye coordination. He, alongside Bijauy, Shoummo and Rumman has the ability to sight the ball early and take it to the opposition, though both Bijauy and Shoummo have better temperament and can switch gears with greater ease.

Unfortunately, dead domestic tracks and pathetic domestic bowlers who depend on batting error rather than quality delivery for wickets, create bad habits such as lazy to no footwork, disinterest in rotating the strike, premature commitment of the front foot, using a heavy bottom hand, and premeditated swings. Fazle Rabbi is no exception but I feel he is simply too good a player not to learn. Then again, there's always the possibility he won't hack it at the highest level the way Opi, Rokon, Hannan, Nafis Iqbal, KaEdge, Siddique and Aumi failed deliver at the top of the order.

BPL selection has more to do with whom you know and listen to than actual ability.

I try to write Bangla the way it sounds and avoid nonsensical Anglicization. I also stay away from the "vai" and "voot" khyatfest. Hence "Shoummo", "Bijauy", "Shubhagauto" etc :)

BengaliPagol
April 23, 2012, 12:50 AM
He reminds me of pre-Salahuddin Tamim Iqbal of the 2007 World Cup: aggression coupled with amazing hand-eye coordination. He, alongside Bijauy, Shoummo and Rumman has the ability to sight the ball early and take it to the opposition, though both Bijauy and Shoummo have better temperament and can switch gears with greater ease.

Unfortunately, dead domestic tracks and pathetic domestic bowlers who depend on batting error rather than quality delivery for wickets, create bad habits such as lazy to no footwork, disinterest in rotating the strike, premature commitment of the front foot, using a heavy bottom hand, and premeditated swings. Fazle Rabbi is no exception but I feel he is simply too good a player not to learn. Then again, there's always the possibility he won't hack it at the highest level the way Opi, Rokon, Hannan, Nafis Iqbal, KaEdge, Siddique and Aumi failed deliver at the top of the order.

BPL selection has more to do with whom you know and listen to than actual ability.

I try to write Bangla the way it sounds and avoid nonsensical Anglicization. I also stay away from the "vai" and "voot" khyatfest. Hence "Shoummo", "Bijauy", "Shubhagauto" etc :)

Whose Shoummo?

Sohel
April 23, 2012, 12:57 AM
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/436677.html

Sohel
April 23, 2012, 01:01 AM
A clear understanding of ability, and then witnessing that in the middle is more important than the use of decontextualized statistics to bolster weak arguments IMHO, when it comes to assessing who is likely to sustain success at the HIGHEST level in a TEST PLAYING Nation. Kohlimuddin and KaEdge fail on all fronts and will continue to harm the team with their inclusion in the future.

BengaliPagol
April 23, 2012, 01:03 AM
^ Oh Soumya. I didnt know that he is also called Shoummo.

Fazle Mahmud isnt a bad prospect either. Needs to play more games.

Tiger444
April 23, 2012, 01:13 AM
He reminds me of pre-Salahuddin Tamim Iqbal of the 2007 World Cup: aggression coupled with amazing hand-eye coordination. He, alongside Bijauy, Shoummo and Rumman has the ability to sight the ball early and take it to the opposition, though both Bijauy and Shoummo have better temperament and can switch gears with greater ease.

Unfortunately, dead domestic tracks and pathetic domestic bowlers who depend on batting error rather than quality delivery for wickets, create bad habits such as lazy to no footwork, disinterest in rotating the strike, premature commitment of the front foot, using a heavy bottom hand, and premeditated swings. Fazle Rabbi is no exception but I feel he is simply too good a player not to learn. Then again, there's always the possibility he won't hack it at the highest level the way Opi, Rokon, Hannan, Nafis Iqbal, KaEdge, Siddique and Aumi failed deliver at the top of the order.

BPL selection has more to do with whom you know and listen to than actual ability.

I try to write Bangla the way it sounds and avoid nonsensical Anglicization. I also stay away from the "vai" and "voot" khyatfest. Hence "Shoummo", "Bijauy", "Shubhagauto" etc :)

Thanks Sohel bhai. It looks as though Fazle Mahmud is a good talent. Not surprised to see that he's behind in switching gears and overall temperament compared to Anamul and Shoummo. Those 2 were in the U-19 team for quite some time and so they have become complete packages whereas Rabbi seems to be still raw. I believe that this is another problem we have in our cricket. We can't just depend on the U-19 level to develop players. The domestic system should also develop players equally as good as the U19ers.
A recent example is how Nasir has fared compared to Shubhagoto. Both came in with a lot of ability but Nasir has been able to perform much more consistently compared to Shubhagoto and hence we see Nasir establishing himself as a star in the team already whereas Shubhagoto is still a standby player. Imrul and Junaid are also examples of guys who weren't in the U19 circuit and ended up struggling also.

I believe its a better idea to continue to develop Shubhagoto in the A team and Fazle in the Academy team and give them time to perform consistently until they can start playing for the national team.
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Sohel
April 23, 2012, 01:39 AM
^^^Our selectors/bosses have their club cricket and other biases, some of them quite sectarian/quota-centric in nature (first hand "Kapali-Fapalider diye haube na" knowledge here, and I feel sorry for talented non-Muslim players in the circuit), and use decontextualized domestic statistics to justify their selections. I didn't think Shubhaguto got a fair run in light of his international debut, and they used his dismal domestic performances to keep him out. Given the huge discrepancy between domestic and the highest level of cricket, we ought to take such decisions with copious amounts of salt. Had he been benched for failure at the highest level, I'd have taken things more sportingly.

Even a donkey ought to be able to tell the difference between a Mohammad "Exquisite Timing" Kohlimuddin and a Shubhagauto once their eyes are on the players instead of the numbers they put up in the domestics. Those numbers cannot help us assess whether they'll survive at the top -- because they tell us nothing about the quality of the pitches or bowling or hitting or dismissals or attitude of players etc (CONTEXT) -- but what we see of their actual ability can do a better job. If the selectors don't, we'll continue top have weak links in the team and field only 6 or 7 instead of 11 players.

Both Shubhagauto and Fazle Rabbi are "outsiders" who emerged out of the blue. Naturally they're a little behind the BKSP boys.

Gowza
April 23, 2012, 02:24 AM
^^^Our selectors/bosses have their club cricket and other biases, some of them quite sectarian/quota-centric in nature (first hand "Kapali-Fapalider diye haube na" knowledge here, and I feel sorry for talented non-Muslim players in the circuit), and use decontextualized domestic statistics to justify their selections. I didn't think Shubhaguto got a fair run in light of his international debut, and they used his dismal domestic performances to keep him out. Given the huge discrepancy between domestic and the highest level of cricket, we ought to take such decisions with copious amounts of salt. Had he been benched for failure at the highest level, I'd have taken things more sportingly.

Even a donkey ought to be able to tell the difference between a Mohammad "Exquisite Timing" Kohlimuddin and a Shubhagauto once their eyes are on the players instead of the numbers they put up in the domestics. Those numbers cannot help us assess whether they'll survive at the top -- because they tell us nothing about the quality of the pitches or bowling or hitting or dismissals or attitude of players etc (CONTEXT) -- but what we see of their actual ability can do a better job. If the selectors don't, we'll continue top have weak links in the team and field only 6 or 7 instead of 11 players.

Both Shubhagauto and Fazle Rabbi are "outsiders" who emerged out of the blue. Naturally they're a little behind the BKSP boys.

always makes me excited to see someone when you rate them sohel brother. seen a little bit of shuvagata and he looks to be a good prospect, haven't seen anything of rabbi though.

simon
April 23, 2012, 06:44 AM
Just voted Tamim & Kaedge.
btw,

Kaedge 15- 21 Anamul

achcha,who is Anamul? oooh, the boy who is yet to play his first international ODI,Test or T20? :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

BD Rox
April 23, 2012, 06:49 AM
Just voted Tamim & Kaedge.
btw,

Kaedge 15- 21 Anamul

achcha,who is Anamul? oooh, the boy who is yet to play his first international ODI,Test or T20? :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Dude, this guy(Anamul) is really talented and much much better than Imrul. But, you're right somehow. He's still 17. Early days for him. I don't a early debut for him. Let BD groom up the current XI, then after sometimes pick up some1. Despite Australians.

simon
April 23, 2012, 06:59 AM
Dude, this guy(Anamul) is really talented and much much better than Imrul. But, you're right somehow. He's still 17. Early days for him. I don't a early debut for him. Let BD groom up the current XI, then after sometimes pick up some1. Despite Australians.

no matter how good he is in domestic, FC or BPL, international cricket is a whole different thing, he has to prove himself in internationals,after that off course if he is really talented he will do better than Kaedge ,
but only based on is domestic performance & based on the prediction of what he will become in internationals I don't understand how he is ahead of Imrul who so far looked to be the 2nd best one day opener after TI.

Gowza
April 23, 2012, 08:12 AM
no matter how good he is in domestic, FC or BPL, international cricket is a whole different thing, he has to prove himself in internationals,after that off course if he is really talented he will do better than Kaedge ,
but only based on is domestic performance & based on the prediction of what he will become in internationals I don't understand how he is ahead of Imrul who so far looked to be the 2nd best one day opener after TI.

probably because this isn't an all time BD XI, this is selecting a team that we think should take the field at this current time. imrul has been in poor form for awhile, has never done well in tests and add the fact that anamul has been impressive all through age group cricket, and through FC domestic cricket and did pretty well in the BPL and on top of that the day or the day after this poll was create anamul got 193.

imrul got 87 in the first innings, decent but doesn't match anamul's 193, however now that anamul jsut got out for 1 and imrul got a century of course people earlier on in the poll would have been more likely to pick anamul and now people are being swayed to pick imrul.

the contest between imrul and anamul when it comes to selection, well the way i see it there is no way people should pick imrul for tests that just doesn't make sense i mean even junaid or nazimuddin would probably be better picks in tests than imrul. in ODIs imrul has a case because he's been solid, nothing special but solid. anamul potentially offers a top quality opener so the decision we are making is whether we should select a proven solid imrul (who has been out of form until this recent FC match) or a potentially above average anamul. do we start giving anamul his chances now? is he ready or isn't he? if he is then surely he should get his chance in the national team if not only in the test team.

i think we should given anamul a chance at least in the test team, my question is should he open or bat at #3? at this point i think give him his chances at opening, it's easier to move down than it is to move up so if he can do well opening he should be able to bat anywhere in the order. i think we have less prospects for the 2nd opener slot and more for the #3 slot which is another reason for giving anamul the 2nd opener spot over the #3 spot, the team needs him to work out as an opener more than a #3 because we have more potentials for the #3 spot.

simon
April 23, 2012, 08:19 AM
probably because this isn't an all time BD XI, this is selecting a team that we think should take the field at this current time. imrul has been in poor form for awhile, has never done well in tests and add the fact that anamul has been impressive all through age group cricket, and through FC domestic cricket and did pretty well in the BPL and on top of that the day or the day after this poll was create anamul got 193.

imrul got 87 in the first innings, decent but doesn't match anamul's 193, however now that anamul jsut got out for 1 and imrul got a century of course people earlier on in the poll would have been more likely to pick anamul and now people are being swayed to pick imrul.

the contest between imrul and anamul when it comes to selection, well the way i see it there is no way people should pick imrul for tests that just doesn't make sense i mean even junaid or nazimuddin would probably be better picks in tests than imrul. in ODIs imrul has a case because he's been solid, nothing special but solid. anamul potentially offers a top quality opener so the decision we are making is whether we should select a proven solid imrul (who has been out of form until this recent FC match) or a potentially above average anamul. do we start giving anamul his chances now? is he ready or isn't he? if he is then surely he should get his chance in the national team if not only in the test team.

you must not have followed DPL which was held before BPL, Imrul was the highest scorer.
Why do we need to rush some young gun like Anamul when we have an in form & experienced Imrul waiting?
How many times does Tamim have to open and adjust with a new opening partner?

BengaliPagol
April 23, 2012, 08:21 AM
Gowza we shouldnt overhype about a player. What if he is another Aftab or a Rajin? Sure he has talent but we have to be calm and wait and see what Anamul can do on the big stage.

He hasnt even debuted yet. Everyone was talking the same about Shuvagata Hom. Look where he is now? International cricket is a whole new ball game.

Imrul has showed promise. Not consistently but he has showed that he can do it. Give him another chance IMO
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Gowza
April 23, 2012, 08:37 AM
shuvagata never let down at the international level....he did fairly well while he was then and then was dropped having done nothing wrong for the national team.

anyway if you look at my posts properly i think i make it clear that i'm supporting anamul much more for a test spot than a one-day spot and also i said if anamul is ready he should get his chance. but anamul is showing signs that he is ready. imrul isn't horrible but he's not amazing, if there is someone better then he should get his chance....

give imrul another chance? he has a case for that in one-dayers now that he is back to form, but in tests he was so bad if we are to pick him over anamul for a test spot that's jsut sending a horrible message to the players. anamul has done terrificly in FC cricket and has earned a call up.

simon
April 23, 2012, 09:16 AM
shuvagata never let down at the international level....he did fairly well while he was then and then was dropped having done nothing wrong for the national team.

anyway if you look at my posts properly i think i make it clear that i'm supporting anamul much more for a test spot than a one-day spot and also i said if anamul is ready he should get his chance. but anamul is showing signs that he is ready. imrul isn't horrible but he's not amazing, if there is someone better then he should get his chance....

give imrul another chance? he has a case for that in one-dayers now that he is back to form, but in tests he was so bad if we are to pick him over anamul for a test spot that's jsut sending a horrible message to the players. anamul has done terrificly in FC cricket and has earned a call up.


We r not talking about Test opening here, it's about ODI.
Otherwise Imrul is a Big NO for Tests.
but on the other hand even for Tests don't think it's necessary to bring Anamul /
We have Nazimuddin who did reasonably well vs Pak (Test series)
Then we have Jahurul & Junaid.
They deserve more than Anamul imo.
We always are too keen to introduce young kids,let Anamul,Mominul play more,get more matured, it's not like they are getting too old.

Tiger444
April 23, 2012, 09:41 AM
^^^Our selectors/bosses have their club cricket and other biases, some of them quite sectarian/quota-centric in nature (first hand "Kapali-Fapalider diye haube na" knowledge here, and I feel sorry for talented non-Muslim players in the circuit), and use decontextualized domestic statistics to justify their selections. I didn't think Shubhaguto got a fair run in light of his international debut, and they used his dismal domestic performances to keep him out. Given the huge discrepancy between domestic and the highest level of cricket, we ought to take such decisions with copious amounts of salt. Had he been benched for failure at the highest level, I'd have taken things more sportingly.

Even a donkey ought to be able to tell the difference between a Mohammad "Exquisite Timing" Kohlimuddin and a Shubhagauto once their eyes are on the players instead of the numbers they put up in the domestics. Those numbers cannot help us assess whether they'll survive at the top -- because they tell us nothing about the quality of the pitches or bowling or hitting or dismissals or attitude of players etc (CONTEXT) -- but what we see of their actual ability can do a better job. If the selectors don't, we'll continue top have weak links in the team and field only 6 or 7 instead of 11 players.

Both Shubhagauto and Fazle Rabbi are "outsiders" who emerged out of the blue. Naturally they're a little behind the BKSP boys.

That's really a shame that discrimination still happens in sports in BD. It shouldn't matter what the players' beliefs are. As long as they can play cricket then have them in to our team.

I'm not as much worried about Shubhagoto not doing well in domestics as I am with his A team performances. With all due respect Sohel bhai Shubhagoto has not done very well in the A team. In the West Indies and England A team tours, in all forms of the game, he failed to even notch up a 50. Mominul and Nasir outplayed him in the WI A team tour.

I agree though that Shubhagoto should not be ruled out just yet because he needs to be given more games in the national team before we can make a judgment on whether he belongs or not.

The competition is very heavy in the middle order with Mominul doing well and also Shabbir being a very good talent as well. All of them do have to wait though because right now I just don't see any middle order spot up for grabs.

BD Rox
April 23, 2012, 10:52 AM
]Gowza we shouldnt overhype about a player. What if he is another Aftab or a Rajin? Sure he has talent but we have to be calm and wait and see what Anamul can do on the big stage.[/B]

He hasnt even debuted yet. Everyone was talking the same about Shuvagata Hom. Look where he is now? International cricket is a whole new ball game.

Imrul has showed promise. Not consistently but he has showed that he can do it. Give him another chance IMO
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Spot on. Completely agree.

Gowza
April 23, 2012, 11:17 AM
We r not talking about Test opening here, it's about ODI.
Otherwise Imrul is a Big NO for Tests.
but on the other hand even for Tests don't think it's necessary to bring Anamul /
We have Nazimuddin who did reasonably well vs Pak (Test series)
Then we have Jahurul & Junaid.
They deserve more than Anamul imo.
We always are too keen to introduce young kids,let Anamul,Mominul play more,get more matured, it's not like they are getting too old.

how have jahurul and junaid performed better than anamul in FC cricket? anyway when i originally voted the thread wasn't ODI specific, that was decided after i had already voted and started discussing things. anamul has been the best top order batsmen in FC domesstics for the last 2 years.

Tiger444
April 23, 2012, 12:11 PM
We r not talking about Test opening here, it's about ODI.
Otherwise Imrul is a Big NO for Tests.
but on the other hand even for Tests don't think it's necessary to bring Anamul /
We have Nazimuddin who did reasonably well vs Pak (Test series)
Then we have Jahurul & Junaid.
They deserve more than Anamul imo.
We always are too keen to introduce young kids,let Anamul,Mominul play more,get more matured, it's not like they are getting too old.

At the same time, we can't just dismiss a player who is consistently on the top of the run charts just because a player is "young". Also Anamul's 19, and possibly 20 or 21 knowing how people in BD are usually a year or 2 older then their actual age. So it's not really that young. As you see around the world as well, many of the Test playing nations are bringing in younger players as well in to the national team set up.

I understand that people are worried since we've had young talent coming in and ended up struggling but people have to understand that the younger players are adjusting to the international level a lot easier then before. Tamim, Shakib, Mushy, and Nasir are good examples of that. Anamul's also been a part of the U19 team for a long time and the Academy team. So he has a good amount of experience.

To round it out, didn't coach Ian already say many times that he felt that Anamul was ready for international cricket? He also said that he's a very special talent. He's been a coach for many years now so he knows a good player when he sees one.

BengaliPagol
April 24, 2012, 02:45 AM
^ yes thats a good point indeed. Thats why i think if there is going to be a short tour (e.g. Pakistan, Ireland etc) where there will be only be 1 or 2 odi's in that tour we should give Tamim a rest for that tour and let Anamul and Imrul open the batting.

From there we will be able to see who performs better and looks more comfortable opening the batting. Then from there we can make a judgement about who should open the batting with Tamim.

BD Rox
April 24, 2012, 02:52 AM
^ yes thats a good point indeed. Thats why i think if there is going to be a short tour (e.g. Pakistan, Ireland etc) where there will be only be 1 or 2 odi's in that tour we should give Tamim a rest for that tour and let Anamul and Imrul open the batting.

From there we will be able to see who performs better and looks more comfortable opening the batting. Then from there we can make a judgement about who should open the batting with Tamim.

You're right. But the fact is our board always thinks negatively.

BengaliPagol
April 24, 2012, 05:35 AM
Cmon guys if you havent voted please vote. Your vote could make a difference between the outcome!

Tamim looks like the clear favourite. Anamul looks to be favourite to take the 2nd openers position. Can Imrul come from behind to snatch a spot in the BanglaCricket ODI XI?

Only 4 days left and we will find out...

BengaliPagol
April 26, 2012, 05:43 AM
About 1 and a half days left of voting.

AsifTheManRahman
April 26, 2012, 07:31 AM
I just hope Anamul doesn't turn out to be another Ashraful.
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MSM B2C
April 27, 2012, 05:22 AM
I just hope Anamul doesn't turn out to be another Ashraful.
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According to stats and first class record (averages) his been better than Ash & Co.

I think he will be better than Ashraful and could replace Juhurul Islam as No. 3?

1. Tamim Iqbal
2. Imrul Kayes
3. Anamul Haque
4. Junaid Siddique
5. Shakib Al Hasan
6. Nasir Hossain
7. Mushfiqur Rahim
8. Mashrafi Bin Mortaza
9. Abdur Razzak
10. Elias Sunny
11. Nazmul Hossain

Maysun
April 27, 2012, 08:30 AM
I'm all in for Anamul to play at '3' in the ODI's & Tests in the future!

BengaliPagol
April 27, 2012, 07:51 PM
This poll is going to close in about an hour. I will make a final tally and then it will be officially announced who will be the opening pair for BanglaCricket ODI XI.

BengaliPagol
April 27, 2012, 08:41 PM
I have done the final tally for the poll (because some people either voted once or more than 2 times)

Tamim Iqbal - 54 votes
Anamul Haque - 24 votes
Imrul Kayes - 16 votes
Nazimuddin - 2 votes
Junaed Siddique - 6 votes
Mohammad Ashraful - 2 votes
Jahurul Islam - 2 votes

Congratulations to Tamim Iqbal & Anamul Haque for getting a spot in the prestigious BanglaCricket ODI XI as opening batsmen. :applause:

The no. 3 batsmen poll will be up and running soon.