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BengaliPagol
April 23, 2012, 02:40 AM
Mother Thread: http://banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=1514778#post1514778

How many specialist spinners/pacers should be in the Bangladesh Cricket Team for ODI's?

Specialist spinners/pacers are in the team primarily for bowling (e.g. Razzak, Mashrafe, Rubel, Shafiul, Elias Sunny etc.). NOT allrounders such as as Shakib, Mahmudullah etc.

Specialist spinners/pacers fill the no. 8, no. 9, no. 10 and no. 11 in the batting lineup.

This poll ends in 5 days. Make a selection from the options above.

Discuss.

Gowza
April 23, 2012, 02:48 AM
tbh with shakib in the team we only really need one specialist spinner. nasir has ability, riyad can bowl etc so spin is generally covered with shakib, one specialsit and the other allrounders. as far as pacers go i think it's good to have 3 in the line-up (whether that be 2 specialists and an allrounder or 3 specialist pacers).

i guess i'd have rubel, mash, nazmul if i got the choice but with rubel injured it's tough for me to choose as i haven't seen many of the others bowl much other than shafiul.

might be better to do this poll after we've picked allrounders....unless there is no allrounders poll....

BengaliPagol
April 23, 2012, 02:52 AM
We arent going to do an allrounders poll because it will be too difficult to choose where they will bat in the lineup and it will get a tad confusing.

We are going to do a no. 3 batsmen poll, then a middle order batsmen poll (where you will be able to pick 3 batsmen) and then a no. 7 batsmen/all rounder poll.

Afterwards the specialist bowling positions. Ive put this poll up to speed the process a bit and so we can decide on the formation of the bowling department.

jeesh
April 23, 2012, 02:53 AM
Sunny, Razzak, Mashrafe, Nazmul/Rubel

I have 2 reasons

1) Imo we should focus on our strength-spin. Even if our spinners dont take wickets, they will at least choke the opposition. Our seamers lack the skill and consistency. Someone like Shafiul will ball 3 dot balls then give a boundary ball.

2) If we are to play a 3rd seamer, it should be an all rounder. This way we bat till 8. When we field Mashrafee, Razzak, Rubel, Shafiul we will have a very long tail. Once its 6 down, there is every chance of us getting wrapped up for an additional 20-30 runs only . Sri Lanka currently is blessed with so many pace bowling all rounders- Maharoof, Mathews, Thisira Perera, Kulasekera.

jeesh
April 23, 2012, 02:57 AM
tbh with shakib in the team we only really need one specialist spinner. nasir has ability, riyad can bowl etc so spin is generally covered with shakib, one specialsit and the other allrounders. as far as pacers go i think it's good to have 3 in the line-up (whether that be 2 specialists and an allrounder or 3 specialist pacers).

i guess i'd have rubel, mash, nazmul if i got the choice but with rubel injured it's tough for me to choose as i haven't seen many of the others bowl much other than shafiul.

might be better to do this poll after we've picked allrounders....unless there is no allrounders poll....

2 spinners or 3 depends on opposition. Against India, Pakistan or Sri Lanka better to play only Shakib and Razzak. But against other times, it might even hurt giving 35-40 over to spinners. I still remember the time we bowled Razzak, Rafique and Shakib together. It wasnt lethal, but it was highly effective. We managed to suffocate the opposition, deny singles, and eventually make them take risks and then get out.

BengaliPagol
April 23, 2012, 02:57 AM
Dont forget to vote. The more people vote the better.

Sohel
April 23, 2012, 03:31 AM
In local conditions: 3 seamers (Mashrafe/Nazmul/Rubel or Shubhashish) and 1 specialist spinner (Enam/Sunny/Shaujib).

In bouncier conditions: 4 seamers (Mashrafe/Nazmul/Shubhashish/Rubel or KI Rabbi) and no "specialist spinner" because we have the luxury of Shakib, Nasir and (in my ODI team) Rumman. All 3 are wicket takers capable of containing the opposition also.

Naimul_Hd
April 23, 2012, 03:40 AM
You really cant have a clear cut formation for every match. Bowling line up will depend on various factors, such as

- pitch
- opponent
- weather

However, for me, 2 genuine spinners (including Shakib) and 2 pace bowlers are MUST irrespective of above mentioned factors. Now, question remains, should we go for another pacer, OR an spin all rounder ? I will go for an extra Pacer. The reasons are-

- Since now we have 2 ball policy for ODI and power plays (20 overs) have to be taken within 40 overs, it is wise move to bowl with pacer than a spinner in power plays. 3rd pacer can come handy in such situation.

- All our genuine spinners are SLA and all of them have almost same bowling style. So, taking 3 spinners of similar kind wont help much.

- Apart from genuine spinners, we have handful of part time spin bowlers likes of Nasir, Riyad. So, they can be used if necessary. So, no need to take 3rd genuine spinner in the team.

- As Mash himself said that he gets nervous bowling in death overs and likes to bowl at a trot in the first half, its wise to have a back up pace bowler.

So, my pick- 1 genuine spinner (excluding Shakib) + 3 pacers

1 genuine spinner - Shakib (al awesome) + [Arafat Sunny/Elias Sunny/Shubho/Razzaq- whoever in good form)

3 pacers- Mashrafe (slow and steady), Rubel (Fast and furious) & Nazmul (swing and deadly)

BengaliPagol
April 23, 2012, 03:42 AM
If anyone has any ideas or suggestions with the polling for the BanglaCricket XI or anything in general about the BanglaCricket XI feel free to post in the mother thread.

http://banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=1514778#post1514778

Gowza
April 23, 2012, 03:52 AM
You really cant have a clear cut formation for every match. Bowling line up will depend on various factors, such as

- pitch
- opponent
- weather

However, for me, 2 genuine spinners (including Shakib) and 2 pace bowlers are MUST irrespective of above mentioned factors. Now, question remains, should we go for another pacer, OR an spin all rounder ? I will go for an extra Pacer. The reasons are-

- Since now we have 2 ball policy for ODI and power plays (20 overs) have to be taken within 40 overs, it is wise move to bowl with pacer than a spinner in power plays. 3rd pacer can come handy in such situation.

- All our genuine spinners are SLA and all of them have almost same bowling style. So, taking 3 spinners of similar kind wont help much.

- Apart from genuine spinners, we have handful of part time spin bowlers likes of Nasir, Riyad. So, they can be used if necessary. So, no need to take 3rd genuine spinner in the team.

- As Mash himself said that he gets nervous bowling in death overs and likes to bowl at a trot in the first half, its wise to have a back up pace bowler.

So, my pick- 1 genuine spinner (excluding Shakib) + 3 pacers

1 genuine spinner - Shakib (al awesome) + [Arafat Sunny/Elias Sunny/Shubho/Razzaq- whoever in good form)

3 pacers- Mashrafe (slow and steady), Rubel (Fast and furious) & Nazmul (swing and deadly)

this is the way i tend to lean, certainly those are our 3 best pacers, as far as the spinners go shakib is genuine and the other as you say should be the inform one between probably the 2 sunny's and razzak....although for me if nasir was willing he could become good enough to play as a genuine spinner much like shakib can.

i mean where are guys like mahmudul hasan, sabbir rahman, nur hossain and shaker ahmed in their development/variety? because it's always good to have variation so if they're decent enough why can't they be in there? it would be great to have a left arm spinner, an offie and a leggy.

Gowza
April 23, 2012, 03:56 AM
In local conditions: 3 seamers (Mashrafe/Nazmul/Rubel or Shubhashish) and 1 specialist spinner (Enam/Sunny/Shaujib).

In bouncier conditions: 4 seamers (Mashrafe/Nazmul/Shubhashish/Rubel or KI Rabbi) and no "specialist spinner" because we have the luxury of Shakib, Nasir and (in my ODI team) Rumman. All 3 are wicket takers capable of containing the opposition also.

rumman is sabbir? he'd be batting at #7 in your team....i certainly think that is an option worth looking at, but where is his bowling at these days? want him to be at least as good as riyad....

Naimul_Hd
April 23, 2012, 04:09 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/578659_10150763543447590_596337589_9674901_1797727 125_n.jpg

He should be a pace bowler. Malinga type bowling action. [a picketer in action during hartal]

Sorry for sharing it here :)

BengaliPagol
April 23, 2012, 04:17 AM
Yes depending on the conditions there might be changes to the bowling lineup but for most of the times i would want the specialist bowling department to be Razzak - Mortaza - Nazmul - Rubel.

Razzak has showed us how good he is in the Asia Cup. Mortaza, Nazmul and Rubel put together will make a great pace attack.

BengaliPagol
April 23, 2012, 04:19 AM
AHAHAHA nice pic. He reminds me of Shafiul because of his skinny arms. I hope we can get pace bowlers with good build in the future.

jeesh
April 23, 2012, 04:24 AM
I just dont buy the idea of playing 3 pacers. Imo we should only use 3 quicks when

1) The wicket is better for seamers, or has bounce
2) The opposition are very good players of spin like India, Pakistan or Sri Lanka
3) If the three pacers are Mashrafe, Nazmul and Rubel/Shafiul (On Song)

Look at our record in the last few years. In many cases we have had to introduce Razzak and Shakib within the first 5-6 overs because the seamers didnt have any control. And in many of the cases even 2 bowlers dont complete their quota of 20 overs. We had to rely on Nasir, Riyad, Naeem to finish the quota for them. At the end we end up with one batsman short, because of playing the extra seamer.

3 seamers sound sexy, but we wont be playing to our strength. Even Pakistan (Which has a plethora of quicks) prefers to bowl 3 spinners and 2 quicks.

Naimul_Hd
April 23, 2012, 04:32 AM
I just dont buy the idea of playing 3 pacers. Imo we should only use 3 quicks when

1) The wicket is better for seamers, or has bounce
2) The opposition are very good players of spin like India, Pakistan or Sri Lanka
3) If the three pacers are Mashrafe, Nazmul and Rubel/Shafiul (On Song)

Look at our record in the last few years. In many cases we have had to introduce Razzak and Shakib within the first 5-6 overs because the seamers didnt have any control. And in many of the cases even 2 bowlers dont complete their quota of 20 overs. We had to rely on Nasir, Riyad, Naeem to finish the quota for them. At the end we end up with one batsman short, because of playing the extra seamer.

3 seamers sound sexy, but we wont be playing to our strength. Even Pakistan (Which has a plethora of quicks) prefers to bowl 3 spinners and 2 quicks.

That's because unfortunately one of the pacers was either our beloved SRK urfe Shahadat, Or, shafiul who bowls rubbish now a days.

If we had either Nazmul or Rubel along with Mash then the pace bowling stat would have looked better.

Gowza
April 23, 2012, 04:48 AM
the thing is with our spinners i don't know if the depth is there to the standard necessary, i don't know if it's much better than the pacers. mash, nazmul and rubel are decent odi pacers. shakib is pretty great, razzak nowadays is good and the rest are at best good or average. we just don't notice it with the spinners because since we have shakib and a bunch of spin allrounders we only ever take one specialist spinner (usually razzak) into a match whereas we have 2 or 3 pacers every match. so it's easy to say we have more depth in spinners because the standard of depth isn't exposed like it is with the pacers. what if we had 3 specialist spinners every match and one pacer? would we still think our spin depth is better than the pacer depth, maybe by a little bit but i think it could be pretty even in depth.

i mean shuvo one of our best spinners averages 40 after 17 odi's, enamul haque jnr looks better averaging 30 after 10 matches but then he has a 39 average after 14 tests. these are 2 of our next best spinners.

Maysun
April 23, 2012, 05:44 AM
We all know if three pacers are to be picked in the XI, who will get the nod, Mr. SRK. Will bowl only 4-5 overs, give away 30-40 runs and gift runs due to his fielding :facepalm:

But coming back to the topic, depends on the pitch and the opponent.

Gowza
April 23, 2012, 06:28 AM
We all know if three pacers are to be picked in the XI, who will get the nod, Mr. SRK. Will bowl only 4-5 overs, give away 30-40 runs and gift runs due to his fielding :facepalm:

But coming back to the topic, depends on the pitch and the opponent.

yes well if the selectors were to choose but in this thread we get to choose the 3 pacers if 3 pacers are to be chosen....

BD Rox
April 23, 2012, 06:34 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/578659_10150763543447590_596337589_9674901_1797727 125_n.jpg

He should be a pace bowler. Malinga type bowling action. [a picketer in action during hartal]

Sorry for sharing it here :)

Nice move.
LOL!:)

BengaliPagol
April 24, 2012, 05:31 AM
Cmon lets get more voters! The more votes the better. :)

jeesh
April 24, 2012, 09:04 AM
That's because unfortunately one of the pacers was either our beloved SRK urfe Shahadat, Or, shafiul who bowls rubbish now a days.

If we had either Nazmul or Rubel along with Mash then the pace bowling stat would have looked better.

Nazmul, Mashrafee, Rubel are ok. But if you play Shafiul, Shahadat, Rasel, its highly likely you ll have to make a change within the first 4-5 overs.

jeesh
April 24, 2012, 09:07 AM
the thing is with our spinners i don't know if the depth is there to the standard necessary, i don't know if it's much better than the pacers. mash, nazmul and rubel are decent odi pacers. shakib is pretty great, razzak nowadays is good and the rest are at best good or average. we just don't notice it with the spinners because since we have shakib and a bunch of spin allrounders we only ever take one specialist spinner (usually razzak) into a match whereas we have 2 or 3 pacers every match. so it's easy to say we have more depth in spinners because the standard of depth isn't exposed like it is with the pacers. what if we had 3 specialist spinners every match and one pacer? would we still think our spin depth is better than the pacer depth, maybe by a little bit but i think it could be pretty even in depth.

i mean shuvo one of our best spinners averages 40 after 17 odi's, enamul haque jnr looks better averaging 30 after 10 matches but then he has a 39 average after 14 tests. these are 2 of our next best spinners.

You are absolutely right. Shuvo has been a disappointment, Enamul Jnr an enigma. But we need to take a chance with some of the other guys. Elias, Arafat, Sajib, Apu all had considerable success in BPL against quality batsmen. Also we need to unearth a leggie and an off spinner to add variety. By that i dont mean a Riyad or Naeem or Nasir. A proper specialist off spinner could be really handy for Bangladesh.

oronnya
April 24, 2012, 08:52 PM
I went with 1 spinner and 3 pacer.. With Shakib, Riyad and Nasir we actually just need another specialist spinner (Razzak/I Sunny/Enam Jr/Arafat Sunny).. I think for ODI's Razzak will get the nod and for test it would be either I Sunny/ Enam Jr.. For now Arafat Sunny should be given opportunities in T20s..

The combination will of course depend on the pitch, weather etc..But as we have such good spin all-rounders we can have the luxury to play 3 pacers most of the times..With Mash-Rubel-Nazmul our pace attack looks superb.. But till Rubel comes back instead of playing Shahadat I would pick 2 spinners, at least you don't have to worry about leaking runs !!!

BengaliPagol
April 24, 2012, 09:08 PM
^^ Elias Sunny did pretty good in the BPL so i would also consider him for the Bangladesh T20 side as well.

Shahadat is a big no no from me. I guess BCB would pick Shafiul to fill Rubel's spot in the team.

mar umpire
April 24, 2012, 09:12 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/578659_10150763543447590_596337589_9674901_1797727 125_n.jpg

He should be a pace bowler. Malinga type bowling action. [a picketer in action during hartal]

Sorry for sharing it here :)

Guy in orange appears to be ready to bowl with two balls at the same time- we need a bowler like that

Gowza
April 24, 2012, 09:15 PM
reckon they should try al-amin or abul hasan or abu jayed (he's done well so far) for a 3rd pacer with rubel out. elias as the spinner i think.

BengaliPagol
April 24, 2012, 09:42 PM
Abul Hasan looks like a good prospect. Need to see how it pans out from here. I still have a feeling that BCB selectors arent going to pick Nazmul for some reason. I really cant trust the selectors

deshimon
April 25, 2012, 10:50 AM
We have lot of spining alrounder like Shakib, Nasir, Ryad who can bowl as a specialist spiner. So no need more than one specialist spinner.Rather we can take three pacer.

AsifTheManRahman
April 25, 2012, 01:55 PM
One specialist spinner and three pacers. Of course, it might make sense to tweak this a little depending on extreme pitch conditions, but in an ideal situation this would have to be it for me.

BengaliPagol
April 26, 2012, 03:04 AM
At this point in time since Rubel is injured i wouldnt know which pacer to pick after Mashrafe and Nazmul. Shafiul will probably be selected but Abul Hasan may be given a go. Who knows?

deshimon
April 26, 2012, 04:24 AM
Unfortunately we cann't produce lot of pacers like spinners. We have a long line of spinners but scenario of pacer is so miserable. There is no quality pacer coming soon. BCB should take step for this. Our pitch should be sporting where pacers and spinners would get same advantage.

BengaliPagol
April 26, 2012, 05:16 AM
I dont know why the BCB dont consider making bouncy pitches for FFC matches so that more pace bowlers can be developed in Bangladesh.

It would improve batsmen as well

Gowza
April 26, 2012, 05:29 AM
Unfortunately we cann't produce lot of pacers like spinners. We have a long line of spinners but scenario of pacer is so miserable. There is no quality pacer coming soon. BCB should take step for this. Our pitch should be sporting where pacers and spinners would get same advantage.

al-amin, abul hasan, abu jayed.....good prospects. where is dolar mahmud at these days with his bowling? has a good record, i know he was tried years ago but has he improved at all?

BengaliPagol
April 28, 2012, 01:24 AM
Looks like the majority have voted on 1 specialist spinner and 3 specialist pacers. Ill be putting up the specialist spinner poll shortly.