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Gowza
May 2, 2012, 04:56 AM
all of the greats from the past generation have now retired from international cricket (some still play IPL but it's not playing for your country), so i ask the question who is the best spinner right now?

sunil narine has made a huge impact recently but he's yet to play test cricket.

shillingford may have a poor overall record but has done well in the recent series at home against the aussies.

bishoo although being dropped from the WI squad was one of the most promising from last year.

ajmal takes non-stop wickets

rehman i believe is underrated, he's not noticed because of ajmal but he's doing really well.

australia has lyon and beer.....

south africa have tahir

sri lanka have herath, randiv, prasanna and mendis

england have swann

NZ have vettori

india have harbhajan and ashwin

zimbabwe still have price, cremer

and Bangladesh has shakib, elias and razzak

i have to say right now, despite narine not having played test cricket he is the best right now. ajmal, swann and rehman are right behind him.

zinatf
May 2, 2012, 05:01 AM
Hmm...in my opinion...it's Graeme Swann at the moment...

When it comes to all-time best...it's Saqlain Mushtaq...the guy who invented "doosra" :D

Gowza
May 2, 2012, 05:10 AM
Hmm...in my opinion...it's Graeme Swann at the moment...

When it comes to all-time best...it's Saqlain Mushtaq...the guy who invented "doosra" :D

i reckon it's between narine, swann and ajmal. i can see why people leave out narine because he hasn't been here for a long enough period plus hasn't even played test cricket. tough call between swann and ajmal for. ajmal has a better average, more wickets per match and better econ but swann has played double the matches and has a better strike rate and his wickets to match ratio albeit lower is still impressive.

BengaliPagol
May 2, 2012, 05:41 AM
Wat about our very own Shakib? :facepalm:

Not too long ago Razzak was classed as the best spinner in the world as well (according to icc rankings)

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Gowza
May 2, 2012, 05:57 AM
Wat about our very own Shakib? :facepalm:

Not too long ago Razzak was classed as the best spinner in the world as well (according to icc rankings)

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yeah in one-dayers razzak has been really really effective. shakib is up there but swann and ajmal have better numbers and narine is running through batting line-ups atm so it's hard to compete with that.

riankhan
May 2, 2012, 06:03 AM
IMO, it is Ajmal at the moment. Though I believe, with experience, Narine will become one of the top very soon, if not the best.

Zunaid
May 2, 2012, 06:06 AM
Swann and Ajmal.

Naimul_Hd
May 2, 2012, 06:08 AM
Swann and Shakib.

I dont count Ajmal as a spinner, he's a chucker, so is Hafiz.

Jonas
May 2, 2012, 07:09 AM
Swann. Could've been Ajmal, but his action sets him back IMHO. Shakib would've been up there had he managed a better strike rate. He should be a bit more aggressive.

It's too early to judge Narine. Let's hope he doesn't go the Mendis way.

Dan Vettori is the best defensive spinner in world cricket. So, I would say he's the best in T20s right now.

Maysun
May 2, 2012, 08:09 AM
Right now, Ajmal

oronnya
May 2, 2012, 09:23 AM
Swann and Ajmal

Narine has a good prospect...

And all of them are offie.. Murali is offie too..

I can't think of any deadly SLA.. but among the SLAs Vettori and Shakib are the best..

Navo
May 2, 2012, 09:32 AM
Swann was absolutely brilliant in the recent SL series. I don't know when was the last time that an English spinner was able to produce such turn and bounce and make the batsmen so uncomfortable in SL! He's a very clever bowler too but I don't know how he would do if he wasn't backed up by such a competent English Test team - their fast bowlers are in peak form now and they have some decent fielders too.

At one point in time, it was reckoned that Ajmal was unplayable but it is clear that is not the case. He is still very effective though, in both attacking and defending and has more variations than Swann, so I may pick him in an ODI team over Swann.

Narine is the new hot commodity in the spin bowling market. Batsmen still look like deer caught in headlights when trying to read him. As others have said, let's see if he goes the same way as Mendis.

Afridi is also an incredibly effective ODI and T20 bowler. I think he would get selected in quite a few teams over better spinners because of the combination of attacking spin bowling, fielding and (hit or miss) batting.

roman
May 2, 2012, 09:43 AM
Swann..Cant judge Narine yet because he didnt play any test so far. Dont wanna judge him based on T-20

I had high expectations on Mendis. He is nowhere to be found

Night_wolf
May 2, 2012, 10:09 AM
swann and ajmal no doubt

Shane warne left the cricket world with leg spin..i cant find a decent leg spinner now a days let alone a world class one..where has bissu gone?..he lost his mojo totally

MohammedC
May 2, 2012, 10:10 AM
Bishoo would have come good for windies but now he has competition with Shilingford and Narine.

As for who is the best, my vote goes to Swann.

kalpurush
May 2, 2012, 11:18 AM
yeah in one-dayers razzak has been really really effective. shakib is up there but swann and ajmal have better numbers and narine is running through batting line-ups atm so it's hard to compete with that.
Narine is the best spinner of the world???

He might be the best spinner in T20 (so far, based on IPL performance), but no way he is near best as world beater.

At the moment, Ajmal is the best IMHO.

Navo
May 2, 2012, 11:30 AM
Bishoo is really young and he did quite well against the Aussies in the match he played. (He actually did better against us in the Test match series than Ajmal did!)

It's interesting to see how the Windies have heated competition for the top spinner spot while their fast bowling choices are not as strong. How times change!

roman
May 2, 2012, 11:45 AM
Bishoo is really young and he did quite well against the Aussies in the match he played. (He actually did better against us in the Test match series than Ajmal did!)

It's interesting to see how the Windies have heated competition for the top spinner spot while their fast bowling choices are not as strong. How times change!

Yup. Time has changed..Today's WI young generation is more interested in Basketball and Football . They find Cricket very boring. Thats why we havent seen a formidable WI pace attack for a long time. I miss that old WI

simon
May 2, 2012, 03:22 PM
Ajmol & Sakib

Dilscoop
May 2, 2012, 04:01 PM
Ravinder Mr Million Dollar Ja-de-ja

Gowza
May 2, 2012, 11:27 PM
Narine is the best spinner of the world???

He might be the best spinner in T20 (so far, based on IPL performance), but no way he is near best as world beater.

At the moment, Ajmal is the best IMHO.

that comment is in relation to shakib being the best spinner in the world right now, my point was that shakib is a really good spinner but atm there are better ones out their.

tiger_army
May 3, 2012, 12:53 AM
Naraine...Naraine... man his stumping ball against Owais shaw is the best I have seen this year..

Night_wolf
May 3, 2012, 03:09 AM
Naraine...Naraine... man his stumping ball against Owais shaw is the best I have seen this year..

awesome ball was that..but still Shakib's one vs C.furguson last year was better if we are talking about IPL only

tiger_army
May 3, 2012, 03:39 AM
awesome ball was that..but still Shakib's one vs C.furguson last year was better if we are talking about IPL only

yes that on turned big time...but it was a stock delivery for Shakib, Narine one was the wrong one...turning away from the right hander... I think eing an allrounder Shak cant concentrate on both properly...his bowling needs some more variations.

BengaliPagol
May 3, 2012, 03:47 AM
Ravinder Mr Million Dollar Ja-de-ja

Jadeja: I wanna be a millionaire so freaken bad. Bought by Chennai and things went really good.

Rubu
May 3, 2012, 12:26 PM
Wat about our very own Shakib? :facepalm:

Not too long ago Razzak was classed as the best spinner in the world as well (according to icc rankings)

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Razzak has always been over rated. He does really well against minnows and get good overall stats, but he is yet to impress me against top opposition.

ahnaf
May 4, 2012, 03:48 AM
Im surprised to see how narine are being considered as one of the best..lol..funny bc.. Some good performance in some t20 league can make anyone best? Seriously? Imho..narine isnot even in the list of best 10 spinner atm.. But yeah he got the potential.. Let him play some international match esp. test to judge..
Btw.. I think.. Swann,Shakib and Ajmal these are the best in this buisness right now..
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Gowza
May 4, 2012, 07:47 AM
^^i know narine hasn't played much international cricket but 14 wickets in 8 ODIs at an econ of 3.79 is very good and yes he has done well in t20 cricket, time will tell. btw i agree shakib is one of the best atm but i don't think he is the best.

TimAus
May 31, 2012, 01:50 AM
Right now it's Ajmal and Swann, with Herath, Rehman, Vettori and Shakib coming in after them. Narine has a long way to go to be compared with them. He hasn't even made a test debut yet! Ashwin, Lyon, Tahir, Bishoo, Randiv and Sunny could all become solid spinners but time will tell. We're really in a transitional time with spinners following the retirements of Warne, Murali and Kumble. None of the guys today are in their class.

Jadukor
May 31, 2012, 02:00 AM
1. Swann
2. Ajmal
3. Shakib

oronnya
May 31, 2012, 02:17 AM
Right now it's Ajmal and Swann, with Herath, Rehman, Vettori and Shakib coming in after them. Narine has a long way to go to be compared with them. He hasn't even made a test debut yet! Ashwin, Lyon, Tahir, Bishoo, Randiv and Sunny could all become solid spinners but time will tell. We're really in a transitional time with spinners following the retirements of Warne, Murali and Kumble. None of the guys today are in their class.

Yeah agree with you completely !!! We are definitely gonna miss Warne and Murali.. Let's see if Narine can fill that gap..

But for now Ajmal and Swann are the best..

Banglatiger84
June 11, 2012, 02:11 AM
Worlds best woffspinner: ravichandran Ashwin, has played in 3 consecutive IPL Finals

best legspinner: Piyush Chawla/ Amit Mishra

:lol:

Zeeshan
June 11, 2012, 02:15 AM
If I were batsman, I would not want to face Vettori (or Murali in his prime).

Banglatiger84
June 11, 2012, 02:24 AM
Those of us who watched cricket from mid90s to mid00s did not know how lucky we were to see such wonderful spinners year in year out.
I myself took it for granted, but now i find that the last decade was for spinners what the 70-80s were for fast bowlers, i.e. a time when 3-4 all time greats were plying their trades at the same time.

We had Warne, Kumble and to a lesser extent Mushtaq for leggies
Murali, Saqlain for off spinners. (Bhajji a class below them)

None of the spinners today are a patch on those 5

Gowza
June 11, 2012, 04:12 AM
We had Macgill to and harbhajan was alright as well

Leafs PWN
July 30, 2012, 10:55 AM
IMO, it is Ajmal at the moment. Though I believe, with experience, Narine will become one of the top very soon, if not the best.

Swann and Ajmal.

Agree with both of these. IMO, its Ajmal, then Swann.

With proper guidance, and continued development, I can see Narine surpassing both of them in the next 3 years.

AMD128
July 30, 2012, 09:09 PM
Ajmal. Without a doubt.

al Furqaan
July 30, 2012, 11:21 PM
Those of us who watched cricket from mid90s to mid00s did not know how lucky we were to see such wonderful spinners year in year out.
I myself took it for granted, but now i find that the last decade was for spinners what the 70-80s were for fast bowlers, i.e. a time when 3-4 all time greats were plying their trades at the same time.

We had Warne, Kumble and to a lesser extent Mushtaq for leggies
Murali, Saqlain for off spinners. (Bhajji a class below them)

None of the spinners today are a patch on those 5

Statistically speaking all of those guys are a bit over-rated apart from Warne and Murali, no?

Jadukor
July 30, 2012, 11:37 PM
Statistically speaking all of those guys are a bit over-rated apart from Warne and Murali, no?
Saqlain's record is pretty impressive even though the last part of his career really sucked

nycpro96
August 14, 2012, 04:39 PM
I dont think there's a doubt that Saeed Ajmal's the best spinner in the game, at the moment.

oronnya
August 28, 2012, 10:04 PM
Just found some random Indian/ Srilankan people considering Shakib as the current best spinner. Not that I agree with it but he gave a good reasoning of SR...

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Night_wolf
August 28, 2012, 10:35 PM
Just found some random Indian/ Srilankan people considering Shakib as the current best spinner. Not that I agree with it but he gave a good reasoning of SR...

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Lol akdike koy shakib best spinner r ak dike koy amader team ****!...khusi hobo na dhukho pabo bujhtesina..obosso onake dos diye lav ki amio aki kothai boltam :facepalm:

jeesh
August 29, 2012, 03:12 AM
It has to be between Ajmal, Swann, and Ashwin. In the times of greats these guys would probably be good bowlers. But given the dearth of quality spinners in the world, these guys stand out.

I find Australia's efforts with spinners very amusing. Nathan Lyon is probably their best option, yet they are stubborn about giving him a go in the shorter version. Michael Beer, Krejza, Doherty are all average spinners, i bet our guys are better. Now because they dont have proper spinners they are calling up a 42 year old Hogg.

BengaliPagol
August 29, 2012, 06:32 AM
I think Ashwin is a bit overrated at times. He is good but i dont think he is in the same class as Ajmal or Swann.

Gowza
August 29, 2012, 07:27 PM
yeah i don't rate ashwin up there, he's solid but ajmal and swann are a more than solid. shakib is good, i think if he had better support he'd be doing even better and also of BD could bat a bit better because BD don't always get to bowl twice in a match. i know ashwin just did awesome against NZ but the current NZ team is very weak atm.

jeesh
August 29, 2012, 11:45 PM
Early days for Ashwin, so cant compare with the other two. But he has what it takes-height, ability to turn, variation, and an action which is not exactly conventional. Another talented Indian spinner is Pragyan Ojha. Beautiful action, ability to generate sharp turn. Their biggest prospect was Piyush Chawla. But doubt he is as good as the other two.

Shakib's bowling has been on the decline in recent times. Former spin coach Salahuddin has blamed T20 cricket. He tries to bowl flatter and quicker through the air. Hope some time with Saqlain will revive his bowling a little. But even at his best Shakib isnt a destructive bowler who will rip opposition apart. He will probably take 3-4 wickets for 30 or 40 runs. Thats the way he is. But Enamul Jnr and Sunny in contrast are capable of big hauls. Both are aggressive attacking spinners. Richard McIness had predicted Enamul could end up becoming one of the best spinners in the World-and that after becoming the highest wicket taker of the Under 19 WC. Unfortunately he never developed. Still hopeful. With hard work our spinners can easily compete with the best in the world. Australia would be delighted to have a guy like Enam or one of the Sunny's. Their SLA's Michael Beer, Doherty are average compared to ours.

Gowza
August 30, 2012, 12:17 AM
Yes ohja is talented. As far as shakib if t20 does that to him then I'd prefer he not play that format, he's too important to be wrecked by t20 cricket.

jeesh
August 30, 2012, 05:44 AM
Thats the negative of T20. As our guys get invited to play in more T20's their basics will go for a six. Sure they will gain confidence and learn from others but they will also adapt to the shorter version. Even Razzak is guilty of bowling too flat and defensive these days.

Tiger444
August 30, 2012, 07:21 AM
Early days for Ashwin, so cant compare with the other two. But he has what it takes-height, ability to turn, variation, and an action which is not exactly conventional. Another talented Indian spinner is Pragyan Ojha. Beautiful action, ability to generate sharp turn. Their biggest prospect was Piyush Chawla. But doubt he is as good as the other two.

Shakib's bowling has been on the decline in recent times. Former spin coach Salahuddin has blamed T20 cricket. He tries to bowl flatter and quicker through the air. Hope some time with Saqlain will revive his bowling a little. But even at his best Shakib isnt a destructive bowler who will rip opposition apart. He will probably take 3-4 wickets for 30 or 40 runs. Thats the way he is. But Enamul Jnr and Sunny in contrast are capable of big hauls. Both are aggressive attacking spinners. Richard McIness had predicted Enamul could end up becoming one of the best spinners in the World-and that after becoming the highest wicket taker of the Under 19 WC. Unfortunately he never developed. Still hopeful. With hard work our spinners can easily compete with the best in the world. Australia would be delighted to have a guy like Enam or one of the Sunny's. Their SLA's Michael Beer, Doherty are average compared to ours.

That's why I thInk it's better to have Shakib focus more on his batting and have guys like Sunny, Razzak and Enamul take the bulk of the bowling.

jeesh
September 8, 2012, 11:42 PM
Ajmal gets left out of ICC's top individual award. Thats a little unfortunate.

But the way PCB is going about is very cry baby like. They didnt choose, make a statement and get over it. Whats with this boycotting and school girl like attitude. They did the same thing when Bangladesh didnt want to tour them.

Navo
September 9, 2012, 12:07 AM
Early days for Ashwin, so cant compare with the other two. But he has what it takes-height, ability to turn, variation, and an action which is not exactly conventional. Another talented Indian spinner is Pragyan Ojha. Beautiful action, ability to generate sharp turn. Their biggest prospect was Piyush Chawla. But doubt he is as good as the other two.

Shakib's bowling has been on the decline in recent times. Former spin coach Salahuddin has blamed T20 cricket. He tries to bowl flatter and quicker through the air. Hope some time with Saqlain will revive his bowling a little. But even at his best Shakib isnt a destructive bowler who will rip opposition apart. He will probably take 3-4 wickets for 30 or 40 runs. Thats the way he is. But Enamul Jnr and Sunny in contrast are capable of big hauls. Both are aggressive attacking spinners. Richard McIness had predicted Enamul could end up becoming one of the best spinners in the World-and that after becoming the highest wicket taker of the Under 19 WC. Unfortunately he never developed. Still hopeful. With hard work our spinners can easily compete with the best in the world. Australia would be delighted to have a guy like Enam or one of the Sunny's. Their SLA's Michael Beer, Doherty are average compared to ours.

I agree to an extent about Shakib's bowling. I think his limited over bowling has suffered a little bit because he's been trying to tread a fine line between being aggressive and wicket-taking, while also being economical. (The objective is good but the results are mixed) However, I think he has the ability to transition to Tests quite well, where the emphasis is on wicket taking. He was playing loads of T20s last year as well but he still managed to take 5 wicket hauls against both the Windies and Pakistan!

Yasin.
September 9, 2012, 03:38 AM
Currently Ajmal.

The Aussies seem to be playing the bowler instead of the delivery he bowls. Absolutely owning them Aussies these days. Bowls in Power plays and in death overs and yet remains an economical wicket taker. Amazing.

World Champs
September 10, 2012, 12:40 AM
It has to be Ajmal in every format. This guy can even make brilliant batsmen dance to his tunes.

Apart from him, Swann is good, and ashwin seems to be a monster in Indian conditions in test cricket. He will be key factor in our series against Aus and Eng.

Gowza
September 10, 2012, 04:18 AM
verdict is still out on ashwin imo, he did have a great series against NZ but they're not good players of spin.

World Champs
September 10, 2012, 07:49 AM
verdict is still out on ashwin imo, he did have a great series against NZ but they're not good players of spin.
But you certainly can't take the credit away from him. I don't think any other spinner would have taken so many wickets against them, Apart from ajmal and swann.

He has played only 9 or 10 matches so far, he is still young in his career, he is a brilliant prospect with great potential to be a great bowler particularly in Sub continental conditions.

Night_wolf
September 10, 2012, 07:54 AM
But you certainly can't take the credit away from him. I don't think any other spinner would have taken so many wickets against them, Apart from ajmal and swann.

He has played only 9 or 10 matches so far, he is still young in his career, he is a brilliant prospect with great potential to be a great bowler particularly in Sub continental conditions.

i still can't say ashwin is in the same league as Harvajan but he is turning out to be a very very good allrounder,though India with a strong batting lineup may not need his services with bat, and he may concentrate entirely with bowling, thus in time reducing his AR capabilities, it'll be sad if this happens, world is already missing quality ARs..there are so few now(excuse my love for allrounders, its the only thing we have)

World Champs
September 10, 2012, 08:02 AM
i still can't say ashwin is in the same league as Harvajan but he is turning out to be a very very good allrounder,though India with a strong batting lineup may not need his services with bat, and he may concentrate entirely with bowling, thus in time reducing his AR capabilities, it'll be sad if this happens, world is already missing quality ARs..there are so few now(excuse my love for allrounders, its the only thing we have)
Surely ashwin is not in the league of Bhajji. That guy has taken so many wickets. ashwin is still very inexperienced and I was merely stating his potential. ATM though on current form Ashwin is far better than bhajji.

Although I really like Ashwin's batting but I hope team doesn't treat him as allrounder as of now and should take his runs as an bonus addition. His primary role is to take wickets and that's what he should concentrate on. But I am sure he will develop into a handy batsman down the order in coming few years.

jeesh
September 22, 2012, 01:24 AM
I always considered Shakib amongst the top 3-4 SLA's in the world. Yesterday he showed he isnt. His bowling was woeful, lacked imagination and thinking. He has to figure his bowling out, because its been on a steady decline.

Also Nathan McCullum showed us what we are missing. Now all our front line bowlers have more international and first class wickets than him. But NM seemed to be a class apart. He bowled with a lot of guile and tact. he was using the crease, varying the flight. Also tried the carrom ball. Doesnt fall in the same mold as Ajmal/Swann/Ashwin but was highly effective. Bangladesh badly needs such a spinner.

World Champs
September 24, 2012, 06:36 AM
I always considered Shakib amongst the top 3-4 SLA's in the world. Yesterday he showed he isnt. His bowling was woeful, lacked imagination and thinking. He has to figure his bowling out, because its been on a steady decline.

Also Nathan McCullum showed us what we are missing. Now all our front line bowlers have more international and first class wickets than him. But NM seemed to be a class apart. He bowled with a lot of guile and tact. he was using the crease, varying the flight. Also tried the carrom ball. Doesnt fall in the same mold as Ajmal/Swann/Ashwin but was highly effective. Bangladesh badly needs such a spinner.
You are being harsh on shakib . He is a good bowler and would walk in many team around the world. One should never judge a player in a t20 match.

ali1982
December 17, 2012, 11:23 AM
Saeed Ajmal
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Cric Boss
December 26, 2012, 12:42 PM
The one and only Saeed Ajmal
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One World
January 6, 2013, 05:03 AM
Sir. Ash.

ahnaf
March 8, 2013, 01:50 PM
Narine has been dropped from the team.. lol :p
http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-zimbabwe-2013/content/story/624166.html?

Zeeshan
March 8, 2013, 02:19 PM
Sohag Gazi

simon
March 8, 2013, 04:14 PM
Narine has been dropped from the team.. lol :p
http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-zimbabwe-2013/content/story/624166.html?

haha, and look at who killed Narayon's rice
The other players to miss out from the squad that played the Bangladesh series, which was West Indies' previous Test assignment, include batsmen Kirk Edwards and Assad Fudadin.

Narine had had a poor run in that series, taking three wickets in two Tests at an average of 114.33.

hhs