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Gowza
May 4, 2012, 07:57 AM
i think for the majority sobers and imran are the best allrounders of all time but there are a lot of other great ones: kallis, keith miller, ian botham, kapil dev, richard hadlee, eddie barlow, alan davidson, aubrey faulkner, trevor goddard, shaun pollock, wilfred rhodes, chris cairns, abdul razzaq, andrew flintoff, tony greig, monty noble, richie benaud, baron constantine, vinoo mankad, wasim akram and mike procter.

how do you rate the others? and if you don't think sobers and imran are the best then who do you think are the best?

zinatf
May 4, 2012, 08:08 AM
Gowza bhai....I have no idea about most of the names....maybe I wasn't even born at that time....
According to me...

1. Sir Garfield Sobers(saw youtube videos)
2. Imran Khan (ditto)
3. Kapil Dev (ditto)
4. Jack Kallis
5. Abdur Razzaq
6. Andrew Flintoff
7. Shaun Pollock
8. Wasim Akram
9 and 10 Waiting......

Maysun
May 4, 2012, 10:02 AM
From the matches I've seen(not YouTube videos), definitely Kallis & Flintoff. Anyone remember this over from Flintoff? Just so fierce, wish we had a bowler like that!

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Maysun
May 4, 2012, 04:16 PM
@zinatf, 10. Lance Klusener?

Gowza
May 4, 2012, 09:01 PM
forgot clive rice. mike procter was an incredible talent, didn't truly get to show his stuff at the highest level which is a shame. viv richards as an allrounder?

you see even though they are great players and could both bat and bowl guys like shaun pollock, richard hadlee, wasim akram and alan davidson were bowlers who could bat rather than allrounders. i think they get their allrounder status because they are top class bowlers and are capable of scoring big runs like centuries occassionally and 50s a bit more often. those types of allrounders i generally wouldn't rate as the best allrounders because i consider them more bowlers than batsmen.

botham and miller were great allrounders, and barlow was pretty good to. i loved watching chris cairns, explosive with the bat at times and a really solid bowler. of course we also have dwayne bravo who is decent, kieron pollard has potential (although he doesn't bowl quite enough for allrounder status maybe), and andre russell i think very highly of, i reckon he'll be awesome but he's not played enough yet.

btw don't be scared to through shakib's name up there.... he's a terrific allrounder, with a few more games (test matches) i think he'll be considered a top quality allrounder by everyone.

zinatf
May 5, 2012, 12:48 AM
oops Gowza bhai my bad :P
and Maysun Klusener is definitely a very good performer....but I don't know.....as an all-time one.....

Ajfar
May 5, 2012, 12:52 AM
Gowza a lot can happen by the time Shakib retires. I mean as of right now the signs are good, only time will tell. He still has a long long way to go.

Gowza
May 5, 2012, 01:23 AM
Gowza a lot can happen by the time Shakib retires. I mean as of right now the signs are good, only time will tell. He still has a long long way to go.

true, but in one-dayers he's getting better especially with the bat, and in tests his batting is starting to come along. most already consider him a very good allrounder if not the best atm.

Gowza
May 5, 2012, 01:25 AM
oops Gowza bhai my bad :P
and Maysun Klusener is definitely a very good performer....but I don't know.....as an all-time one.....

ian botham is considered one of the greatest of all time, same with hadlee.......i know their stats aren't the best (hadlee's batting and botham just generally) but they are put up there with sobers, imran, dev, miller, kallis.

zinatf
May 5, 2012, 01:52 AM
ian botham is considered one of the greatest of all time, same with hadlee.......i know their stats aren't the best (hadlee's batting and botham just generally) but they are put up there with sobers, imran, dev, miller, kallis.

Have heard both as greats......but if you closely read my above posts you will see that I haven't had the luxury to be born in that era! I think there's a tournament named under Chappell-Hadlee and yes, Hadlee's have been considered as one of the Aussie greats along with the names of Border, Bradman et al.

AsifTheManRahman
May 5, 2012, 02:06 AM
Hadlee's have been considered as one of the Aussie greats
Hadlee is a Kiwi. Speaking of Kiwis, no love for Cairns? Or the ex Saffer skipper Cronje? Never mind, keyword "great" - neither quite deserves the title although both were very good.

Imran, Sobers, Botham, Hadlee and Dev will have to be right there at the top. All rounders really only started to make an impact on the game with the evolution of limited overs cricket, before the introduction of which they were still a rare breed.

AsifTheManRahman
May 5, 2012, 02:08 AM
Another obvious Kiwi contender would be Daniel Bhattachariya.

zinatf
May 5, 2012, 02:17 AM
Allah thukku...olpo bidya bhoyonkor! Ai ami chup mukhe angul :exclamation::exclamation::exclamation:

oronnya
May 5, 2012, 02:24 AM
Hadlee is a Kiwi. Speaking of Kiwis, no love for Cairns? Or the ex Saffer skipper Cronje? Never mind, keyword "great" - neither quite deserves the title although both were very good.

Imran, Sobers, Botham, Hadlee and Dev will have to be right there at the top. All rounders really only started to make an impact on the game with the evolution of limited overs cricket, before the introduction of which they were still a rare breed.

I was a huge fan of Cronje until tthat scandal.. :(

For me the all time great genuine all rounders wlould be Sobers, Imran, Kapil, Botham and our Shakib will be remembered along with these names in the future Inshallah !! People already considers him as one of the finest all rounder of all time (in the KKR interview that`s how they introduced him:))

Kallis should be there but I don`t like him..

kalpurush
May 5, 2012, 03:46 AM
i think for the majority sobers and imran are the best allrounders of all time but ...

how do you rate the others? and if you don't think sobers and imran are the best then who do you think are the best?
1. Ice Man
2. Kallis
3. Imran
4. Sobers





December 31st, 2015

zinatf
May 5, 2012, 03:49 AM
1. Ice Man
2. Kallis
3. Imran
4. Sobers





December 31st, 2015

Allah koruk emon tai jeno hoi!

zsayeed
May 5, 2012, 10:22 AM
i think for the majority sobers and imran are the best allrounders of all time but there are a lot of other great ones: kallis, keith miller, ian botham, kapil dev, richard hadlee, eddie barlow, alan davidson, aubrey faulkner, trevor goddard, shaun pollock, wilfred rhodes, chris cairns, abdul razzaq, andrew flintoff, tony greig, monty noble, richie benaud, baron constantine, vinoo mankad, wasim akram and mike procter.

how do you rate the others? and if you don't think sobers and imran are the best then who do you think are the best?

Had a thread on this:
http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff430/zsayeed/SoberingShakKalBothImranDev.jpg
Sobering Shakib and Kallis (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=40615)
Sobers
Kallis
Imran
Botham
Shakib
'Being an allrounder is taxing but the rewards are double'
Part one: Jacques Kallis talks about the challenges of being a batsman and a bowler, and the secret of his success (04:57)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/560517.html
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zinatf
May 5, 2012, 10:32 AM
^Zulfiqar bhai please! Emneteo mejaj 49 hoye ase Shakib-ke na deikha...er opor diye Kallis-er video diyen na to.......grrr!!!

zsayeed
May 5, 2012, 10:35 AM
But he is pretty darn tootin' good.
IPL aar koi diner? Test is the real venue to leave a mark.

zinatf
May 5, 2012, 10:36 AM
Apnar bola hoise?

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad:

zsayeed
May 5, 2012, 10:39 AM
Hai-rey ai panch bocherer IPL er itihash na patihash...tai niye eto lafalafi.
Test nation hoiso, eto gorbo asey... aar ai ipl niya eto kannakati...
Bujhlam na.

zinatf
May 5, 2012, 10:41 AM
Bujhar ki na ase? Jeikhane player discrimination hoi emon tournament (oitare care-i ba ke kore?) er ****** kilai! Ashuk t20! Babu shonara....shob gulare dekhabo moja!

Ar Insha Allah....Shakib career shesh-e aro 10/15 bochore deikhen era koi jai Insha Allah.....

zsayeed
May 5, 2012, 10:46 AM
That's the spirit. Focus on the important stuff...ipl is like the gladiators of Rome, for entertainment for the masses. Test is test.

oronnya
May 5, 2012, 10:52 AM
It`s not about IPL but I just don`t like Kallis .. I find him a selfish player.. don`t like his batting style and bowling is nothing extra ordinary.. Of course I can`t deny the fact that he is a great all rounder of all time.. But to me Imran, Botham, Kapil and even Vettori will have the edge over Kallis .. And of course I would take Shakib any day over Kallis ..

zsayeed
May 5, 2012, 12:17 PM
You don't like Kallis' batting style! Wow!
Never heard that one before!!!!!!!!!!!
What's wrong with it?

zinatf
May 5, 2012, 12:20 PM
You don't like Kallis' batting style! Wow!
Never heard that one before!!!!!!!!!!!
What's wrong with it?

isshire Zulfiqar bhai.....apnare to dekhtesi "BC torkobid" upadhi deya uchit....apnare to agei bollam je ajker dinta ektu chup mere jaan.....dekhteseni to mon mejaj kharap.....shob din ki ar ekshoman thake?

zsayeed
May 5, 2012, 12:27 PM
accha thik achey...

oronnya
May 5, 2012, 12:38 PM
You don't like Kallis' batting style! Wow!
Never heard that one before!!!!!!!!!!!
What's wrong with it?

And why am I bound to like that?? or why do I have to explain my personal preference??

Nothing wrong with his batting style.. As I said I can`t deny the fact that he is one of the greats.. But my favorite test batsmen are Amla, Dravid, Sanga, AB Villers

I just don`t like Kallis that`s it.

zsayeed
May 5, 2012, 12:42 PM
Part two: Jacques Kallis talks about his school days, the South African style of batting, and his future plans (05:30) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/560515.html?genre=9;)
Speaks of
- All Rounders today
- Batting Style


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Sobers' overall second-innings average of 55.15 is the second-highest among batsmen with 2500 runs; only Jacques Kallis of South Africa has done better.

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff430/zsayeed/s1.jpg
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/491636.html

zsayeed
May 5, 2012, 12:57 PM
Bishen Bedi on Sir Garfield Sobers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbAmbWp0WHc)
"[Sobers] Was God's own contribution to world cricket"
"God must have made in His very, very, spare time."

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zsayeed
May 5, 2012, 01:26 PM
^Zulfiqar bhai please! Emneteo mejaj 49 hoye ase Shakib-ke na deikha...er opor diye Kallis-er video diyen na to.......grrr!!!

Apnar bola hoise?

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad:

Bujhar ki na ase? Jeikhane player discrimination hoi emon tournament (oitare care-i ba ke kore?) er ****** kilai! Ashuk t20! Babu shonara....shob gulare dekhabo moja!

Ar Insha Allah....Shakib career shesh-e aro 10/15 bochore deikhen era koi jai Insha Allah.....

It`s not about IPL but I just don`t like Kallis .. I find him a selfish player.. don`t like his batting style and bowling is nothing extra ordinary.. Of course I can`t deny the fact that he is a great all rounder of all time.. But to me Imran, Botham, Kapil and even Vettori will have the edge over Kallis .. And of course I would take Shakib any day over Kallis ..

isshire Zulfiqar bhai.....apnare to dekhtesi "BC torkobid" upadhi deya uchit....apnare to agei bollam je ajker dinta ektu chup mere jaan.....dekhteseni to mon mejaj kharap.....shob din ki ar ekshoman thake?

The thread was about all-rounder of all time...
Seems like I walked into a hornet's nest here?
What happened to the thread? It was about all time all-rounder and emotions are out of control from two women about events of today in IPL.

So make up your mind, all-time all-rounder or Kolkata match?
And don't take your wrath out on me, I am not your whipping boy!

One day does not count as all-time!

oronnya
May 5, 2012, 01:41 PM
The thread was about all-rounder of all time...
Seems like I walked into a hornet's nest here?
What happened to the thread? It was about all time all-rounder and emotions are out of control from two women about events of today in IPL.

So make up your mind, all-time all-rounder or Kolkata match?
And don't take your wrath out on me, I am not your whipping boy!

One day does not count as all-time!

Ok, let me make one thing clear.. I have already posted my fav allrounder of all time which has nothing to do with IPL (post #14) .. Then the discussion shifted to Kallis and I just gave my personal opinion that I don``t like Kallis though he is one of the greatest all rounders of all time (post #24).. In none of my post I said anything about IPL.. Why would I judge someone based on IPL when I`ve been following their cricket for so long? ? ? I was very much on topic I believe ..

Who took the wrath on you? ? you asked me why don`t I like Kallis`s batting? ? I said that`s my personal preference.. you shouldn`t have asked me to explain my personal preference.. Why is it necessary to like each and every player of the world? ? Why do you have to judge people`s choice? ? Everyone has their own point of view.. shouldn`t we just respect each other`s opinion? ?

zsayeed
May 5, 2012, 01:46 PM
Ok, let me make one thing clear.. I have already posted my fav allrounder of all time which has nothing to do with IPL (post #14) .. Then the discussion shifted to Kallis and I just gave my personal opinion that I don``t like Kallis though he is one of the greatest all rounders of all time (post #24).. In none of my post I said anything about IPL.. Why would I judge someone based on IPL when I`ve been following their cricket for so long? ? ? I was very much on topic I believe ..

Who took the wrath on you? ? you asked me why don`t I like Kallis`s batting? ? I said that`s my personal preference.. you shouldn`t have asked me to explain my personal preference.. Why is it necessary to like each and every player of the world? ? Why do you have to judge people`s choice? ? Everyone has their own point of view.. shouldn`t we just respect each other`s opinion? ?

A bit combative are we not today?

So was I - on topic...until you guys went bonkers.
I was on topic - I was talking about Kallis, and how he says in his interview how hard it is to be an all-rounder. The OP did not ask for favorite all-rounder of all time. So, say who you think is best in your opinion, did I go bash your opinion like you started bashing my Kallis posting? By the way I never said Kallis was best in my op, but he is up there.

Plus I did not ask why you did not like Kallis style, I asked "What is wrong with it [his style]?" It wasn't about you, so chill.

Chill Out and Peace Out!

oronnya
May 5, 2012, 02:13 PM
A bit combative are we not today?

So was I - on topic...until you guys went bonkers.
I was on topic - I was talking about Kallis, and how he says in his interview how hard it is to be an all-rounder. The OP did not ask for favorite all-rounder of all time. So, say who you think is best in your opinion, did I go bash your opinion like you started bashing my Kallis posting? By the way I never said Kallis was best in my op, but he is up there.

Plus I did not ask why you did not like Kallis style, I asked "What is wrong with it [his style]?" It wasn't about you, so chill.

Chill Out and Peace Out!

Ok just to clarify when I was posting my opinion on Kallis I actually wasn`t referring to your post.. as I saw the discussion shifted on Kallis I just gave my opinion...So you might have misunderstood that and thought I was bashing your Kallis post..

And I also said in my post #14 that Kallis is not my fav but he is up there amongst the greatest all rounders..

So please don`t jump into a conclusion that my disliking for Kallis is coming from his IPL performance..

Anyways no hard feelings.. It`s just a discussion anyway.. let`s get back to the topic..

Roey Haque
May 5, 2012, 02:55 PM
Stats will clearly isolate the best all rounders of all time. But it's interesting to judge a player's batting and bowling caliber by his batting and bowling positions in the team. It really shows what their team mates and team management think of their actual abilities.

On that note, I salute any player who has opened both the batting and bowling for their team. Shane Watson has done it in the past. You can tell he's very serious about giving equal time to the two arts.

Dilscoop
May 5, 2012, 06:31 PM
More "Just cricket" than "Int Cricket."

My input: Klusener doesn't belong in that list. Honestly. Nor does Polleck. Eff that drunken fathead overrated murgi Flintoff. That video is just Kallis's failure to spot the ball. Nothing special. Kallis would never duck a yorker like that. He couldn't see that ball.

If Shahid Afridi concentrated little more on his batting, he would've been on that list. Razzak faded. Vittori never made it.

Maysun
May 6, 2012, 02:31 AM
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Naimul_Hd
May 6, 2012, 07:16 AM
How many of you actually watched richard hadlee, eddie barlow, alan davidson, aubrey faulkner, trevor goddard, wilfred rhodes, chris cairns,tony greig, monty noble, richie benaud, baron constantine, vinoo mankad mike procter playing (3-5 mins of Youtube videos don't count) let alone rate them.

zinatf
May 6, 2012, 07:33 AM
Me for one.........NOT AT ALL!!! Wasn't even born in that era!

Gowza
May 9, 2012, 02:49 AM
surprised miller is talked about so little. the guy was a genuine allrounder not just in cricket but played professional AFL and was also a pilot. not to mention at times he purposely got himself out for low scores. such a gun player, possibly the most talented ever.

BengaliPagol
May 9, 2012, 04:40 AM
Jadeja?

:floor:

Gowza
May 9, 2012, 04:44 AM
this is an interesting article:
http://www.cricketweb.net/blog/features/406.php

talks about george giffen, keith miller and aubrey faulkner in good detail.

Gowza
March 1, 2013, 06:46 PM
i never tire of this discussion, been doing more research on this lately and tbh it's made it even more difficult to produce a clear cut best ever.

sobers - most all round allrounder (bowled left arm orthodox, left arm chinaman, bowled pace, elite batsman, top quality fielder). the fact that he could bowl 3 bowling styles at test quality level and also be one of the best batsmen/fielders ever says he is a unique special talent. people say his bowling stats are misleading, that they're not as good as they could have been due to circumstance. he has a 90+ strike rate with the ball and a 34 average, not all time great bowling stats right? but he entered the team as a left arm orthodox spinner, and was later asked to bowl pace and chinaman, he apparently was used more as a back-up bowler because the specialist bowlers were given the ball first so he got given the ball in raw conditions and/or when batsmen were really set and the specialists couldn't get them out. he was able to take 5fers at test level bowling both pace and spin.

imran - great captain, not so great fielder, great bowler, a very good batsman (but could never be consider a great batsman in terms of talent despite his 51 tests in his last 10 years when he averaged over 50 with bat). imran's plus is that for a lengthy period he averaged over 50 with bat and under 20 with ball and that he was a great captain. his negatives were his fielding and that he didn't really do his batting and bowling at the same time. first half of his career he was more a bowler, 2nd half he was more a batter. this makes him a balanced player over time but you have to ask the quesiton should an allrounder be able to do it at the same time, together?

botham - botham actually was able to do it both together, he has a good amount of centuries (imran only got 7), a good amount of wickets and during his peak he was able to score a lot of runs in the same match as getting a lot of wickets. botham has the record for most amount of tons and 5fes in an innings.

miller - always a top 5 batsman and opened the bowling quite a bit to. similar overall stats to imran but imran didn't usually bat top 5 he was usually at 6/7 so that indicates that miller was a more natural allround talent especially since miller was in one of the best teams of all time so batting in the top 5 must have meant he was a great batsman (averaged over 50 in domestic cricket, 48 for FC overall). so basically miller had the ability to bowl as an all time great bowler and bat as an all time great batsman. his batting stats are a bit misleading since he did give his wicket away, on purpose, on occasion.

kallis - certainly an all time great batsman, has nearly 300 wickets but he doesn't bowl much, only gets 2 wickets a match, decent bowling average but not great. he is used as a back-up bowler due to SA's quality bowling attack so it's tough to know what his bowling stats would have looked like if he was given the ball more often, and how it would have affected his batting.

procter - possibly the most naturally talented cricketer ever alongside miller and sobers. procter has 48 FC tons, almost 22000 FC runs, FC bowling average of under 20 and 1400 FC wickets. he was an opening express bowler, he could bat as a genuine batsman but was utilised more as a bowler and therefore batted lower down the order a lot. but he scored 6 consecutive tons in 6 innings in FC cricket at one time, the feat has only been matched by 2 others: bradman and fry. he also bowled a bit of offspin and was quite competent in that style to.

hadlee - an all time great bowler, think he has the record for most 5fers in test match cricket. probably the best bowler of the great 4 allrounders of the 80s but defintiily the worst batsman of the 4. one of the best bowlers ever but could never bat top 6.

kapil - match winning with both ball and bat but not that consistent with either. though his bowling stats probably suffered a bit due to bowling a lot in india. similar type to botham.

akram - like hadlee more a bowler than a batsman. probably the best left arm fast bowler in cricket history. but his batting average is lower than his bowling average and given that his bowling average is 23 that makes his batting average and consistency not so good. but he has a test match double ton, actually a 250+ score of 257 so the consistency might not have been there but that natural talent was there, so i'd say in natural talent he wouldn't be that far off sobers, miller, procter. he's possibly the best bowling allrounder ever, he has hadlee to compete with, and hadlee has better batting stats but at the same time wasim probably had a higher ceiling of batting talent than hadlee and same with bowling, wasim's bowling was magic at times, hadlee was more of a stick it on off stump type of bowler. so wasim with more natural talent in both batting and bowling but hadlee performing more consistently, certainly with the bat.

chris cairns - for me he is an underrated allrounder, he was explosive and devastating with the bat but a real solid bowler, not an all time great in either suit but above average in both, again similar to botham and kapil. they all had their moments with both bat and ball but none of them can claim to be greats in either suit.

shakib - of current players shakib is probably the most naturally talented allrounder. he has the quality to be a specialist bat and a specialist bowler and that's quite rare.

clive rice - like procter didn't get to play much international cricket but during the same time was one of the best allrounders playing the game. he could bowl with genuine pace and could be a savage batsman. FC batting average of 40 with 48 tons and 26000 runs, FC bowling average of 22 with 900+ wickets. let's not forget procter and rice played a lot of county cricket and at that time county cricket was very strong, much stronger than it is today.

adam gilchrist - have to have the best keeper batsman being mentioned. no one ever considers a keeper batsman as the best allrounder ever but if any of them are to be considered gilchrist is the one to look at. explosive, consistent batsman averaging 47 and one of the best keepers of all time, huge amount of dismissals to his name and probably the most dynamic behind the stumps we've ever seen.