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BengaliPagol
May 4, 2012, 08:27 PM
Mother Thread: http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=1518076#post1518076

Who do you think should bat at no. 4 for Bangladesh in ODI's?

Jahurul Islam has recently been selected into the BanglaCricket XI as the no. 3 batsmen.

So who do you think should steady the ship for Bangladesh?

Discuss.

Zunaid
May 4, 2012, 08:35 PM
Given the choices already made for 1 through 3, perhaps you might want elaborate on your own thoughts as to what kind of batsman would be ideal for this spot? This will also catalyse others to think in context.

BengaliPagol
May 4, 2012, 08:39 PM
Given the choices already made for 1 through 3, perhaps you might want elaborate on your own thoughts as to what kind of batsman would be ideal for this spot? This will also catalyse others to think in context.

Well i guess the no. 4 batsmen needs to steady the ship in terms of different situations. If there is a collapse then the no. 4 batsmen needs to change gears and play accordingly to the situation. The no. 4 batsmen might end up finish off the match so he needs to be able to hit boundaries in those circumstances. The batsmen will need to rotate the strike well during the middle over to keep the runs flowing.

The no. 4 position is a vital position and the people that would in my opinion fit this 'criteria' would be Shakib, Mushfiq or Nasir. Young gun Monimul is an untested unit so im wary of trying him out. We have a number of eligible candidates for this position (e.g. Mahmudullah, Shuvagata) which is good.

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Zunaid
May 4, 2012, 08:41 PM
So how would you distinguish this position from the #5?

This may help me save someone for #5. :)

BengaliPagol
May 4, 2012, 08:52 PM
So how would you distinguish this position from the #5?

This may help me save someone for #5. :)

Thats a tricky question. I would say the no. 4 batsmen would also have the ability to bat at no. 3. This is due to many situations were the no. 3 might suddenly get out. The no. 4 must be able to play as a no. 3 batsmen.

So if for example you wanted Nasir to bat at no. 4. You have to take into consideration if he will be able to bat like a no. 3 batsmen in different circumstances. At this time i would have to say no because he is still relatively inexperienced.

I would say the strong candidates for the no. 4 position are Shakib and Mushfiq. They have the ability to steady the ship and have proved it time and time again that they can build partnerships. Middle order partnerships are crucial to a team.

Its upto you who you think can play well in different situations.

22Yards
May 4, 2012, 09:01 PM
I have only seen mominul in BPL but would love to see him bat at ODIs and see how he goes about it in the middle order. No 4 should have the ability to rotate the strike. This, I think, is the major criteria for the selection of this position. We don't have many players who do this right now apart from Shakib and Nasir who come at 5 and 6 respectively. This is part of the reason why so many people want shakib to bat a bit earlier than he does and we have seen nasir getting promoted at this position.

BengaliPagol
May 4, 2012, 09:06 PM
If you think about it Darren Bravo bats at no. 4 because he can play in different situations the best out of anyone in the West Indian team. He is also the best batsmen in the team.

Virat Kohli also bats at no. 4 for India. He can play accordingly to situations and has the ability to play like a no. 3 batsmen.

Dinesh Chandimal is a young talented batsmen who bats at no. 4 for Sri Lanka. He is showing he can forge partnerships even when a player like Sangakarra gets out. He rotates strike well. Chandimal is a good replacement if Sangakarra gets out because he can steady the ship.

Umar Akmal also is another good player who bats at no. 4 for Pakistan. He has the ability to hit during any situations. Sometimes Misbah bats at no. 4 because he can play really well and stick in the crease to forge partnerships.

From all these players the main thing that pops up if that they are really good rotaters of strike and can score at a run a ball without hitting constant boundaries (except for maybe Umar Akmal)

The no. 4 batsmen also depends on the team chemistry. So if Jahurul Islam gets out we need someone to get the run rate going and rotate the strike well so someone like Tamim can tee off. Its all about team combination & rotating strike. The no. 5 batsmen probably should have more of the ability to hit boundaries during death overs than the no. 4 batsmen.

Zunaid
May 4, 2012, 09:17 PM
This is a very fine discussion.

Gowza
May 4, 2012, 09:18 PM
well shakib fits the description the best imo but he's so good at #5 so i want him there. that means i'm deciding between rahim, riyad, nasir or mominul or shuvagata for the #4 spot.

rahim is a much better finisher than riyad, nasir is better to so imo if riyad is to be in this team he either needs this #4 spot or he's out. rahim i will be voting for the #6 spot so i won't vote for him here. neither riyad or nasir have batted enough at #4 to be able to see who's better in that spot, they've only batted there once or twice each and both have scored half centuries. other choice is to bring in mominul or shuvagata.

oronnya
May 4, 2012, 09:23 PM
My preference for number 4 would always be Shakib !! He is just the perfect batsman for that spot but I know Shakib will never promote himself and will always play at number 5 .. Don't know when he will realize that by the time he comes in nothing much is left to be done other than just saving our face.. He is sooo good in rotating the strike and he takes those odd boundaries at ease..he has this outstanding ability to change the gear according to the situation., that's exactly what you need at number 4.. Someone to stop a collapse and build an innings and keep our hopes alive!!!

Gowza
May 4, 2012, 09:37 PM
we could easily put shakib at 4, nasir at 5 and rahim at 6 (or even swap nasir and rahim). but then we need to bring up a new player for the #7 spot because i do not want riyad there. we could have shakib at 4 but bring mominul up for the #5 spot and have rahim at 6 and nasir at 7.....

but if shakib doesn't take the #4 spot then i have to bring shuvagata and mominul more into the frame. i like rahim and nasir a little bit lower down the order. i reckon rahim's best spot is #6, problem is i think nasir is too good for the #7 spot which means if nasir is to move up he either bats at 4 or 5. shakib is amazinf at the #5 spot so you start thinking that you don't want to move shakib around. but is #4 to high for nasir right now? probably.....so it goes back to shakib at 5, rahim at 6 and nasir at 7. making the #4 spot being between riyad, mominul ro shuvagata.....

Zunaid
May 4, 2012, 09:44 PM
Between 4 through 7, Shakib, Nasir, and Mushfiq are a lock. That leaves on spot for one of Riyad, Hom, or Mominul. In my opinion Riyad holds an edge with Mominul making a play. Once we have the 4, I would then assign the spots based on who the final 4 are.

oronnya
May 4, 2012, 09:52 PM
we could easily put shakib at 4, nasir at 5 and rahim at 6 (or even swap nasir and rahim). but then we need to bring up a new player for the #7 spot because i do not want riyad there. we could have shakib at 4 but bring mominul up for the #5 spot and have rahim at 6 and nasir at 7.....

but if shakib doesn't take the #4 spot then i have to bring shuvagata and mominul more into the frame. i like rahim and nasir a little bit lower down the order. i reckon rahim's best spot is #6, problem is i think nasir is too good for the #7 spot which means if nasir is to move up he either bats at 4 or 5. shakib is amazinf at the #5 spot so you start thinking that you don't want to move shakib around. but is #4 to high for nasir right now? probably.....so it goes back to shakib at 5, rahim at 6 and nasir at 7. making the #4 spot being between riyad, mominul ro shuvagata.....

Agree with you completely..

Putting Shakib at #4 solves our problem in so many ways.. because none of Nasir/Mushfiq/Riyad are good at number 4.. they don`t have that skill and temperament to play at that position.. Mushy might have the skill but he is very inconsistent rather I would want him to come in to play the finisher role..I say bring in Mominul at #5, Mushy at #6 and Nasir at #7

But then again if Shakib doesn`t want to play in any other spot other than #5 then this spot should be taken by Momin...we cannot have both Momin and Riyad in the team if we want to go with 3 pacers (which we should )

Gowza
May 4, 2012, 09:57 PM
Between 4 through 7, Shakib, Nasir, and Mushfiq are a lock. That leaves on spot for one of Riyad, Hom, or Mominul. In my opinion Riyad holds an edge with Mominul making a play. Once we have the 4, I would then assign the spots based on who the final 4 are.

where do you stand with hom and mominul? would you take mominul first or hom?

BengaliPagol
May 4, 2012, 10:00 PM
It is tough to decide the middle order. At this time the Bangladesh middle order is reasonably solid and i think this is due to the inclusion of Nasir Hossain. Bits and pieces batsmen like Naeem did not really strengthen the middle order.

So this is the candidates for the middle order in my opinion. Shakib, Mushfiq, Nasir, Mominul, Mahmudullah & Shuvagata.

I think Mushfiq should bat ahead of Nasir due to his experience. Mahmudullah realistically wont be sacked from the team because he hasnt been doing really badly but there isnt a position that he is suited to.

He a isnt tonker, he doesnt suit the lower order (ie no. 7), doesnt suit the higher order (ie no. 3 or 4). That means his best position would at no. 5 or 6 which will be filled by Mushfiq or Nasir IMO.

This opens the doors for Mominul or maybe Shuvagata. Mahmudullah adds more bowling options so that should also be taken into consideration.

So this could be the middle order.
4. Shakib
5. Mushfiq
6. Nasir
7. N/A (Farhad Reza, Mominul, Shuvagata?) (Do we need an allrounder pacer, allrounder spinner or a specialist batsmen?)

We have realised that Nasir is too good to bat at number 7. Mahmudullah is not capable of batting at no. 7. Its a shame that Mahmudullah might be on the outer because i do like what he brings to the team. He does add usefulness to the team.

This could also be the middle order.
4. Shakib
5. Mushiq
6. Mahmudullah
7. Nasir

This might even work and Nasir can be promoted up the order according to the type of situation.

Maybe even
4. Shakib
5. Mominul/Shuvagata
6. Mushfiq
7. Nasir

Theres lots of combinations to pick from

Zunaid
May 4, 2012, 10:02 PM
where do you stand with hom and mominul? would you take mominul first or hom?

Mominul over Hom. Hom did not set the stage in fire whenever he was given the opportunities. Mominul has been making enough noises backstage, that it's time to give him a role.

Gowza
May 4, 2012, 10:08 PM
we don't need a specialist batsman at #7, that's an allrounder spot or keeper spot. i don't think we need a pacer allrounder since we are picking 3 specialist allrounders (but if we were it would be tween alauddin or ziaur). i think someone like sabbir for the #7 spot is ideal, someone who can hit big at any time but also bat a long innings if needed but also can bowl a bit of spin.

nasir has great potential as an off spinner so i think he can definitely be used more as a bowler if needed. shuvagata can also bowl a bit.

i feel bad dropping mahmudullah. he's not doing poorly just isn't doing greaet either. he hasn't been given much of a chance at #4 so the question is do we give him that chance since he's done well the occassions he's been their plus he's really experienced now or do we try our luck with a new talent like mominul or shuvagata?

Gowza
May 4, 2012, 10:09 PM
Mominul over Hom. Hom did not set the stage in fire whenever he was given the opportunities. Mominul has been making enough noises backstage, that it's time to give him a role.

at the same time he didn't do poorly either, tbh he didn't get given enough chances to show his worth, had he played in the asia cup we wouldn't be asking questions about him we'd already know whether he should or shouldn't be in the team....i mean shuvagata made lots of noises before he got to the team, he did fine with his limited chances but got dropped the next series/tournament.

i'm not completely sold that mominul is ready and deserves his chance yet, the reason being is that sure he's performed on the A tour and sure he's pulled in a couple of good performances in the BPL but really he hasn't done much in the DPL or the NCL. he's a great talent, solid technique, can play big innings but he's not the most consistent.....i know shuvagata has been in bad form over the last year but he's was very consistent before that and he's recently comeback to form and scored quite a lot of runs.

BengaliPagol
May 4, 2012, 11:20 PM
Ive been looking through Mahmudullah's stats and ive noticed that his best scores have come when he was batting at no. 7. Could statsguru zsayeed please clarify this? :)

Gowza
May 4, 2012, 11:30 PM
Ive been looking through Mahmudullah's stats and ive noticed that his best scores have come when he was batting at no. 7. Could statsguru zsayeed please clarify this? :)

well batting at #7 he has a 32 average in 50 innings. 4 half centuries but the thing is he has 18 not outs in those stats plus an average of 73 which isn't good enough in the #7 position. overall he's batted 68 inngings averaging 31 with 22 not outs.

the thing is those not outs wouldn't be so much of a negative (they'd be a positive) if his #7 strike rate was 90+. the fact that he's got 18 not outs from 50 innings in the #7 position with a strike rate of only 73 truly tells us he's not suited to that spot. the #7 spot, in most innings, is a spot where the batsman is required to score quick runs. it's just not riyad's thing.

i don't think we should be considering riyad for the #7 spot at all....that means he has to bat from 4-6 which is already filled with shakib and rahim with nasir a possible choice for one of those spots to as well as mominul and hom pushing their claims to make it into the national team.

of course riyad realistically won't get dropped being the VC but with us picking the XI we can choose our own captain and vice-captain. riyad doesn't have to be in the team if we don't want him to . he either bats at 4 or 5 imo otherwise there is no point of him being in the team. the question is whether he is the best choice for one of those spots or whether someone else is.

BengaliPagol
May 4, 2012, 11:40 PM
well batting at #7 he has a 32 average in 50 innings. 4 half centuries but the thing is he has 18 not outs in those stats plus an average of 73 which isn't good enough in the #7 position. overall he's batted 68 inngings averaging 31 with 22 not outs.

the thing is those not outs wouldn't be so much of a negative (they'd be a positive) if his #7 strike rate was 90+. the fact that he's got 18 not outs from 50 innings in the #7 position with a strike rate of only 73 truly tells us he's not suited to that spot. the #7 spot, in most innings, is a spot where the batsman is required to score quick runs. it's just not riyad's thing.

i don't think we should be considering riyad for the #7 spot at all....that means he has to bat from 4-6 which is already filled with shakib and rahim with nasir a possible choice for one of those spots to as well as mominul and hom pushing their claims to make it into the national team.

of course riyad realistically won't get dropped being the VC but with us picking the XI we can choose our own captain and vice-captain. riyad doesn't have to be in the team if we don't want him to . he either bats at 4 or 5 imo otherwise there is no point of him being in the team. the question is whether he is the best choice for one of those spots or whether someone else is.

The real question is who should bat at no. 7? You stated that the no. 7 position batsmen should score quick runs so do you think Mominul/Shuvagata are suited to that role? We might have to consider other players as well.

Gowza
May 4, 2012, 11:48 PM
The real question is who should bat at no. 7? You stated that the no. 7 position batsmen should score quick runs so do you think Mominul/Shuvagata are suited to that role? We might have to consider other players as well.

well maybe shuvagata....not just someone who can score quick runs but someone who can also bowl a bit if needed. mominul i wouldn't want to put at #7 he's young and he's a specialist batsman so we should start him off in the middle order at highest #3 imo, a batsman keeper can bat at 7 but our keeper will be batting top 6 (we have already selected 2 keepers in jahurul and anamul and they're batting top 3 and mushy can also keep and he'll probably be 6 or higher).

sabbir rahman is an option i believe, i'd prefer shuvagata batting from 3-6 but he has the ability to score quickly and he bowls a bit so i wouldn't count him out for the #7 spot but sabbir is young, hits huge, bowls leg spin so he'd be a good option for #7 i think.....i guess asif ahmed is an option but he's a top quality top 3 prospect so i don't want to mess with him (although the clubs look like they've done that already and have screwed him up a bit as he's not scoring runs these days).

ziaur and alauddin could be picks for the #7 spot but with 3 pacer specialists i think we;re better off picking a spin allrounder for #7.

oronnya
May 5, 2012, 12:14 AM
well maybe shuvagata....not just someone who can score quick runs but someone who can also bowl a bit if needed. mominul i wouldn't want to put at #7 he's young and he's a specialist batsman so we should start him off in the middle order at highest #3 imo, a batsman keeper can bat at 7 but our keeper will be batting top 6 (we have already selected 2 keepers in jahurul and anamul and they're batting top 3 and mushy can also keep and he'll probably be 6 or higher).

sabbir rahman is an option i believe, i'd prefer shuvagata batting from 3-6 but he has the ability to score quickly and he bowls a bit so i wouldn't count him out for the #7 spot but sabbir is young, hits huge, bowls leg spin so he'd be a good option for #7 i think.....i guess asif ahmed is an option but he's a top quality top 3 prospect so i don't want to mess with him (although the clubs look like they've done that already and have screwed him up a bit as he's not scoring runs these days).

ziaur and alauddin could be picks for the #7 spot but with 3 pacer specialists i think we;re better off picking a spin allrounder for #7.

Yes because we are leaving out Riyad to accommodate Mominul so need a very good spinning all-rounder for that position.. probably an offie who can score quick runs.. we really need a off spinner of Ajmal/Swann class .. specially someone like Swann who would be an outstanding bowler and a handy batsman.. Once we get a consistent #2,#3 and #7 position players and a wicket taking pacer we will be a great team..but that`s too much to ask for atm I guess..

Zunaid
May 5, 2012, 12:17 AM
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Yes because we are leaving out Riyad to accommodate Mominul so need a very good spinning all-rounder for that position.. probably an offie who can score quick runs.. we really need a off spinner of Ajmal/Swann class .. specially someone like Swann who would be an outstanding bowler and a handy batsman.. Once we get a consistent #2,#3 and #7 position players and a wicket taking pacer we will be a great team..but that`s too much to ask for atm I guess..

You brought up a very good point. Riyad does bring his bowling to the table and for that one reason I might just opt for him to complete 4-7.

Gowza
May 5, 2012, 12:23 AM
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Yes because we are leaving out Riyad to accommodate Mominul so need a very good spinning all-rounder for that position.. probably an offie who can score quick runs.. we really need a off spinner of Ajmal/Swann class .. specially someone like Swann who would be an outstanding bowler and a handy batsman.. Once we get a consistent #2,#3 and #7 position players and a wicket taking pacer we will be a great team..but that`s too much to ask for atm I guess..

nasir is an offie, honestly he could be a world class spinner like shakib imo. the other offie to look at is mahmudul hasan. also i didn't really think of it before but shaker ahmed could be someone to look at for that #7 spot since he's a terrific spinner and obviously can bat a bit since he's been batting in the top 3 lately. but as far as off spinners go i think it's nasir and mahmudul hasan. of course riyad and naeem bowl off spin to. i'm not sure mahmudul has the hitting ability needed for #7, might be more like riyad and naeem.

i think as long as sabbir doesn't neglect his bowling he will be a good pick for the #7 spot in ODIs, his leg spin also provides more variety.

maybe nur hossain? just looking at his records and his list A strike rate is over 100, not the most consistent with the bat but can hit.

Gowza
May 5, 2012, 12:26 AM
You brought up a very good point. Riyad does bring his bowling to the table and for that one reason I might just opt for him to complete 4-7.

imo for riyad to slot into one of the 4-7 slots the only place for nasir is #7, he's much better there than rahim or riyad and obviously shakib is to good to put at 7.

BengaliPagol
May 5, 2012, 12:43 AM
So everyone has an idea for who should be in the middle order. Its just the no. 7 that is the tricky position to pick. I would have thought this team would be good.

1. Tamim
2. Kayes
3. Anamul/Jahurul
4. Shakib
5. Mushfiq
6. Nasir
7. N/A (i have no idea who to pick in this position)
8. Mashrafe
9. Razzak
10. Nazmul
11. Rubel

I always enjoyed Mahmudullah in the team. I feel like his usefulness is needed in the team but i dont know where to put him. He chips in with the bat and ball.

So far the clear favourite for the no. 4 position is Shakib.

oronnya
May 5, 2012, 12:55 AM
You brought up a very good point. Riyad does bring his bowling to the table and for that one reason I might just opt for him to complete 4-7.

Yeah Riyad has been a good off-spinner for the team and his batting is good too but not suitable for #7 ...If we want to keep him (I think in reality we don`t have a choice as he is the VC) then it`s better to bring him in at #5 and let Nasir bat at #7..In that case Nasir should get more opportunity to bowl..

But the problem is if we include Riyad then we will have to leave Mominul out .. we can`t have both Mominul and Riyad in the team as there is only one spot left for a batsman/all-rounder (going by the poll result)... That`s the reason I voted Mominul for #3 ..

my pick is
1.Tamim 2.Imrul/Anamul 3. Mominul 4. Shakib 5.Riyad 6. Mushy 7.Nasir 8. Mash 9. Razzak 10. Nazmul 11.Rubel

oronnya
May 5, 2012, 01:16 AM
nasir is an offie, honestly he could be a world class spinner like shakib imo. the other offie to look at is mahmudul hasan. also i didn't really think of it before but shaker ahmed could be someone to look at for that #7 spot since he's a terrific spinner and obviously can bat a bit since he's been batting in the top 3 lately. but as far as off spinners go i think it's nasir and mahmudul hasan. of course riyad and naeem bowl off spin to. i'm not sure mahmudul has the hitting ability needed for #7, might be more like riyad and naeem.

i think as long as sabbir doesn't neglect his bowling he will be a good pick for the #7 spot in ODIs, his leg spin also provides more variety.

maybe nur hossain? just looking at his records and his list A strike rate is over 100, not the most consistent with the bat but can hit.

Yeah Nasir is a good off spinner but he looked deadly only on Chittagong pitch.. On a flat pitch he gets tonked .. He has not been good in DPL/BPL so it`s hard to tell how good of a bowler he is but yes he has the potential to be a great off spinner.. Among the others Mahmudul and Sabbir has good prospects !!!

Gowza
May 5, 2012, 01:18 AM
well if riyad has to get a spot then clearly mominul has to sit out, no one will drop shakib, rahim or nasir. besides neither riyad or mominul are suited to the #7 spot so they would have to bat 4-6 so what we also need to think about is that if we pick mominul or riyad then nasir will be batting at #7, is it to low for him?

Gowza
May 5, 2012, 01:21 AM
So everyone has an idea for who should be in the middle order. Its just the no. 7 that is the tricky position to pick. I would have thought this team would be good.

1. Tamim
2. Kayes
3. Anamul/Jahurul
4. Shakib
5. Mushfiq
6. Nasir
7. N/A (i have no idea who to pick in this position)
8. Mashrafe
9. Razzak
10. Nazmul
11. Rubel

I always enjoyed Mahmudullah in the team. I feel like his usefulness is needed in the team but i dont know where to put him. He chips in with the bat and ball.

So far the clear favourite for the no. 4 position is Shakib.

i guess sabbir or mahmudul....otherwise nasir at 7.

Gowza
May 5, 2012, 01:28 AM
Yeah Riyad has been a good off-spinner for the team and his batting is good too but not suitable for #7 ...If we want to keep him (I think in reality we don`t have a choice as he is the VC) then it`s better to bring him in at #5 and let Nasir bat at #7..In that case Nasir should get more opportunity to bowl..

But the problem is if we include Riyad then we will have to leave Mominul out .. we can`t have both Mominul and Riyad in the team as there is only one spot left for a batsman/all-rounder (going by the poll result)... That`s the reason I voted Mominul for #3 ..

my pick is
1.Tamim 2.Imrul/Anamul 3. Mominul 4. Shakib 5.Riyad 6. Mushy 7.Nasir 8. Mash 9. Razzak 10. Nazmul 11.Rubel

if we don't want riyad at #4 or #5 then we have no reason to even be discussing him. no one wants him at 6 or 7 and the top 3 spots have already been chosen. but you're right with the reality doubt he will be dropped.

x2man007
May 5, 2012, 06:50 AM
very good discussion.... i voted for shakib, but i was considering riyad as he should be at either 3, 4, or12. who should be at no. 4 will really depend on the team composition. because, it won't be enough to bring the best out of no 4 spot, the winning strategy is to bring the best out of the sum of all 11 spots. if we can't find a good no. 7 riyad has to be at 4 and shakib has to move to no 5.

now, i am tempted to try the following squad: tamim, kayes, anamul, shakib, nasir, mushfiq, mominul, mashrafe, razzaq, (two other pacers). not sure how mominul will do at no 7 though..........

al Furqaan
May 5, 2012, 11:48 AM
After his asia cup heroics, it has to be Shakib at #4 in ODIs. Someone else in tests, because Shakib has to bowl 25 overs a day.

M.H.Rubel
May 5, 2012, 02:19 PM
Best batsman of the team will bat up is a general theory.In this regard #4 goes to Shakib.But Shakibs position in ODi is almost fixed.He dont like to bat up in ODI.
If i think generally #4--#7 will go for
4.Mushy
5.Shakib
6Nasir
7.Riyad
Here#7 is the weakest link.As a test batsman and techniqie i have faith on Riyadh.This guy need to come up.He need to be brave.I want to see him at #4.In that case #7 problem will also be solved.Finisher Nasir at #7.So my dream batting line up for ODI with current players:
1.Tamim
2.IK
3.Anamul
4.Riyad[Revamped|
5.Shakib
6.Mushy
7.Nasir
If Riyad fail to fix him at #4 bad days are coming for him.He is not a #7 material.

22Yards
May 5, 2012, 03:15 PM
Reiterating what Gowza said, I think this no 4 is the only position that riyad can take so I would give him the opportunity before anyone else. If he does not work out, Shuvagata or Mominul are good calls.

5-6-7 belongs to shakib Mushfiq and Nasir.

If in any case, mominul mustn't make his debut at the moment or shuvagata is in off form as already he is, shakib needs to come at 4 and no 7 slot should go to zia, shabbir or milon. I would like this better this way.

Nadim
May 5, 2012, 03:19 PM
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BengaliPagol
May 5, 2012, 05:35 PM
Best batsman of the team will bat up is a general theory.In this regard #4 goes to Shakib.But Shakibs position in ODi is almost fixed.He dont like to bat up in ODI.
If i think generally #4--#7 will go for
4.Mushy
5.Shakib
6Nasir
7.Riyad
Here#7 is the weakest link.As a test batsman and techniqie i have faith on Riyadh.This guy need to come up.He need to be brave.I want to see him at #4.In that case #7 problem will also be solved.Finisher Nasir at #7.So my dream batting line up for ODI with current players:
1.Tamim
2.IK
3.Anamul
4.Riyad[Revamped|
5.Shakib
6.Mushy
7.Nasir
If Riyad fail to fix him at #4 bad days are coming for him.He is not a #7 material.

I like this team.
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Maysun
May 6, 2012, 02:14 AM
Shakib's Batting records (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/56143.html?batting_positionmax1=7;batting_position min1=4;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class =2;filter=advanced;home_or_away=1;home_or_away=2;h ome_or_away=3;orderby=runs;result=1;result=2;resul t=3;result=5;search_player=Shakib;spanmin1=05+Jan+ 2004;spanval1=span;team=25;template=results;tourna ment_type=2;tournament_type=3;tournament_type=5;ty pe=batting)

Shows us that

4th Position - Averages 42.95 from 28 Innings with two 100's & four 50's (with a SR of 77.89)
5th Position - Averages 35.90 from 82 Innings with three 100's & twenty 50's (with a SR of 80.46)

BengaliPagol
May 6, 2012, 02:57 AM
Shakib's Batting records (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/56143.html?batting_positionmax1=7;batting_position min1=4;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class =2;filter=advanced;home_or_away=1;home_or_away=2;h ome_or_away=3;orderby=runs;result=1;result=2;resul t=3;result=5;search_player=Shakib;spanmin1=05+Jan+ 2004;spanval1=span;team=25;template=results;tourna ment_type=2;tournament_type=3;tournament_type=5;ty pe=batting)





Shows us that

4th Position - Averages 42.95 from 28 Innings with two 100's & four 50's (with a SR of 77.89)
5th Position - Averages 35.90 from 82 Innings with three 100's & twenty 50's (with a SR of 80.46)


This is why Shakib should bat at no. 4. We need a person who will consistently score runs for Bangladesh. We need to make Bangladesh's batting lineup as solid as possible. Nice stat who you have come up with Maysun.

Shakib has played 28 innings at no. 4 and 82 innings at no. 5 and he made 2 centuries at no. 4 and 3 centuries at no. 5. This shows he can be more consistent at no. 4 and score big as well.

Gowza
May 6, 2012, 03:08 AM
voted for shakib, as said we want someone consistent who can play big innings his has a great record at both #4 and #5 but it's even better at #4. he can rotate, he can score boundaries, play to the situation.

Maysun
May 6, 2012, 03:29 AM
Shakib undoubtedly has great records both at 4 & 5, But the question is, If he bats at 5, is there someone in the team who can maximise his batting ability at 4th instead of coming in at 6 & 7?

oronnya
May 6, 2012, 12:08 PM
Shakib undoubtedly has great records both at 4 & 5, But the question is, If he bats at 5, is there someone in the team who can maximise his batting ability at 4th instead of coming in at 6 & 7?

Thanks for the stats Maysun.. It just shows both Shakib and the team is better off if he plays at #4 ... But if he doesn't want to bat at that position and if we are to continue with Riyad (as he is the VC) then Riyad should come at #4.. So the middle order would be

4. Riyad
5. Shakib
6. Mushy
7. Nasir

BengaliPagol
May 7, 2012, 04:19 AM
Shakib the clear favourite.

M.H.Rubel
May 7, 2012, 08:44 AM
Most of the people here are voting for Shakib.But Shakib is not interested to bat up.So we ll have to think other than Shakb.

Haradhon
May 7, 2012, 07:24 PM
I voted for Mominul because someone told me he has good technique.... ;-)

Gowza
May 7, 2012, 10:05 PM
Most of the people here are voting for Shakib.But Shakib is not interested to bat up.So we ll have to think other than Shakb.

yeah but we aren't voting for the most realistic XIK, we're voting for the one we think is the best realistic or not. wwe all know shakib doesn't want to bat higher but the thing is he'd do great in that spot and better than anyone else BD have atm most likely.

BengaliPagol
May 8, 2012, 12:47 AM
yeah but we aren't voting for the most realistic XIK, we're voting for the one we think is the best realistic or not. wwe all know shakib doesn't want to bat higher but the thing is he'd do great in that spot and better than anyone else BD have atm most likely.

:up::up::up:

Spot on. Thats why its called a BanglaCricket XI.

Gowza
May 8, 2012, 01:37 AM
:up::up::up:

Spot on. Thats why its called a BanglaCricket XI.

oh no i do a lot of typo's....but lol at the "wwe" typo, nasir around lol!

btw for those questioning shakib as #4, well as i've said a number of times before it would then have to be between riyad, shuvagata or mominul. riyad we could try and if he fails then bring up hom or mominul. tbh despite the hype and high of mominul i'd probably bring in shuvagata for the fact that he earned his place in the national team, did nothing wrong to get dropped (in terms of national team results) and has comeback to form therefore he derserves to be the next in selected. mominul has technique, talent and performs in big matches but he hasn't shown enough consistency to earn a call up realitiscally. anamul has, he's performed in FC cricket as one of the best for the last 2 years, and has consistently scored centuries this season. you'll notice no one is talking about asif atm because he hasn't been performing much like mominul thus they probaqbly should do with a bit more time before a call up.

M.H.Rubel
May 8, 2012, 04:25 AM
:up::up::up:

Spot on. Thats why its called a BanglaCricket XI.

That means we are thinking to make an 11 that will never ever come to reality where Shalkib will bat at #4.Meams its just a famtasy !!
Sorry i am loosing interest.

BengaliPagol
May 8, 2012, 05:06 AM
That means we are thinking to make an 11 that will never ever come to reality where Shalkib will bat at #4.Meams its just a famtasy !!
Sorry i am loosing interest.

It doesnt have to be 'fantasy'. Its whatever team you want it to be.

Gowza
May 8, 2012, 05:11 AM
That means we are thinking to make an 11 that will never ever come to reality where Shalkib will bat at #4.Meams its just a famtasy !!
Sorry i am loosing interest.

it's a team that banglacricket as a collective unit would put on the field if we were selectors. i mean nothing we ever say will change the selectors minds when it comes to selecting the team, they'll do whatever they want but what this is about is discussing and voting on what team we think would be the best on the field.

BengaliPagol
May 8, 2012, 05:14 AM
it's a team that banglacricket as a collective unit would put on the field if we were selectors. i mean nothing we ever say will change the selectors minds when it comes to selecting the team, they'll do whatever they want but what this is about is discussing and voting on what team we think would be the best on the field.

I guess only me and Gowza bhai understand :facepalm:

BengaliPagol
May 11, 2012, 09:13 PM
This poll is closed.

By an oustanding margin im proud to announce that Shakib Al Hasan has been inducted into the BanglaCricket XI.

Congratulations :applause:

The no. 5 batsmen poll will be up shortly.

BengaliPagol
May 11, 2012, 09:21 PM
This is the BanglaCricket XI so far...

1. Tamim Iqbal - http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...ad.php?t=40833 (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=40833)
2. Anamul Haque - http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...ad.php?t=40833 (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=40833)
3. Jahurul Islam - http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...74#post1518074 (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=1518074#post1518074)
4. Shakib Al Hasan - http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...26#post1520726 (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=1520726#post1520726)
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8. Mashrafe Mortaza - http://banglacricket.com/alochona/sh...27#post1520727 (http://banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=1520727#post1520727)
9. Abdur Razzak - http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...75#post1518075 (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=1518075#post1518075)
10. Nazmul Hossain - http://banglacricket.com/alochona/sh...27#post1520727 (http://banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=1520727#post1520727)
11. Rubel Hossain - http://banglacricket.com/alochona/sh...27#post1520727 (http://banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=1520727#post1520727)