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Roey Haque
May 9, 2012, 06:05 PM
Ayo, what’s good in the hood Tiger farm?


This is the way I see it. For Bd cricket team, conservative batting is the future. I have too many bad memories of wicket falling ballets or renditions, sometimes as much as 4 batsmen falling in one over to believe that slow starters, slow innings builders should be condemned. Rather they should be praised and hugged as they are not giving their wicket away cheaply which had long been the trademark of our team.
Let’s talk about Riyadh. When the guy first came in, after 4 or 5 matches, he had an average of 79 or something I believe! Of course he couldn’t be expected to keep that up, or he would have been one of the greatest batsmen ever. My point is the guy is in no way inept. We have all seen him bat, he’s got a wider shot selection than most players, he’s patient with his strokes. Let’s give him some games higher up the order to see what he does. Every time we get a good score we have a chance. When we chase, every time we can keep our batsmen in for the last 10 overs, we have a chance. Both of these situations can be achieved by having more conservative batsmen like Riyadh in the team. We are looking forward to compete, aren’t we? Should we then not make it very difficult and annoying for other teams to face us? So we have a chance of victory every single damn time. Bd will always produce flair batsmen, no doubt. But I think giving a higher preference to batsmen like Mahmadullah is the way to go. For the sake of the future.


In a nutshell, my philosophy is to reduce the gap between us and other teams. Once we are within touching distance, evening our record with them for that particular year, then we can look for that killer blow, i.e. giving strike rate an equal importance.


For now let avg. > strike rate.
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Navo
May 9, 2012, 06:16 PM
So you would say include Naeem Islam as well?

Maysun
May 10, 2012, 02:11 AM
Riyad fails when we need his batting the most! His high average is just from him taking singles or not playing any risky shots when they've 'decided' the match is lost.

max410
May 10, 2012, 02:14 AM
BD does not producte specialist bastmen like of tendulukar, sangakra, jaywardene etc.. we had high hopes to ASH but he sucks now.............
and we dont need him anymore.....
we are happy that he is not in the team

BengaliPagol
May 10, 2012, 02:20 AM
i like Mahmudullah. Its hard for him to have a position in the team because he bats at no. 4 which is already taken. He is not a finisher so he wont be batting low down the order.
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playmaker
May 10, 2012, 02:46 AM
Lullah has an average of 35..agree, but can anyone count the number of 50s? 4 at most!

This just shows that he is not a type of player suited to our needs. He doesnt bowl much, even when he comes to play at no.4 he doesnt go on to make a 50. I know he is not finisher but he has to do what he has to do. Even when the team needs some solidarity he gives it away. He is by no means a model for young cricketers. He has been playing in the team without gap and has played about 70 matches with little success when guys like ziaur on mominul coudve easily taken his place

jamal451230
May 10, 2012, 03:00 AM
I believe mahmuduallah is best bangladesh batsman with cool headed , i could tell we will see one day he will make 300 on test insallah , he is educated with great personality and great future for bangladeah cricket , people sometimes dont lyk him bcz of slow batting , but it understanable bcz not even inzamam or mohammad yousuf couldbe done that , not every one can be hard hitter , every one play their own game , every player has differwnt tactics , he almost played near 100 match and with high average shows its hard to get him out , its only possible when someone is really show his class on batting, he is best at number 4 , but using him at 7 or 8 or switiching around makes him uncomfortable , go riad

Polock044
May 10, 2012, 03:08 AM
Mahmudullah Riyad is the Vice captain of the side and also potentially be a future leader. He is a very good player. He is the 2nd best All rounder after Shakib. He fill up the off spin option quite well.His average is 30+ Both Test and Odi which is very handy as a number 7 batsman. We have only 5 Automatic choice player At the moment In all Three Test,Odi,T-20 Format. ..Shakib,Tamim,Mushfique,Mahmud,Nasir.. Undoubtedly Riyad is very important part of BD sides in Bat and Bowl also very good fielder.

Polock044
May 10, 2012, 03:17 AM
I remember the Thought of Legend Sunil Gavaskar. He said Mahmudullah is the best No 7 batsman in Bangladesh. He is very cool and and collective some thing which has lacking in Bangladesh side in past and also very handy off spinner. Sunil Gavaskar Like 2 Bangladeshi player. one is Shakib Al Hasan and another one is Mahmudullah Riyad.

Polock044
May 10, 2012, 03:21 AM
Just dont forget Riyad won many game for us. i just imagine Riyad is Michale Bevan of Bangladesh.

Jadukor
May 10, 2012, 03:25 AM
Something needs to change with either Mahmudullah the player or the position he bats in ODI cricket. In the asia cup we needed 10-12 runs (i think) in the final over with him set at the crease. Yet he couldn't hit a single boundary. We simply need to look at Nasir as an example of the kind of cricketer we need in ODI and t-20 cricket... he is dynamic in the field, he can score big innings and he can be attacking when needed. Nasir has done more in the last 6-7 months than Mahmudullah and Naeem combined.

Mahmdullah can hold the innings when needed but he doesn't seem to have the backbone/confidence to take on the bowlers. We have Mominul, Anamul and Hom who seem to be much more talented. I would develop Mahmdullah as a Test middle order batsman and give his ODI position to a dynamic lower-order all rounder.

BengaliPagol
May 10, 2012, 03:49 AM
I think we need Mahmudullah in the lineup. Polock is right about Mahmudullah being a cool headed person.

Even though everyone might not like Kayes i like him. This is the same way i feel about Mahmudullah. He has the talent. I think he could be a rock in the middle/low order. He probably doesnt have the flashiness boundaries in his game but he can be solid.

Roey Haque
May 10, 2012, 04:14 AM
So you would say include Naeem Islam as well?

Naeem hadn't done enough for me. Not enough batting personality at the crease. It's sort of like them Idol Shows where the judges tell a prospect that he just doesn't stand out and his/her personality needs to come out.

Roey Haque
May 10, 2012, 04:16 AM
I think we need Mahmudullah in the lineup. Polock is right about Mahmudullah being a cool headed person.

Even though everyone might not like Kayes i like him. This is the same way i feel about Mahmudullah. He has the talent. I think he could be a rock in the middle/low order. He probably doesnt have the flashiness boundaries in his game but he can be solid.

Yeah, I like Kayes too. I said it before in this site and wanted him back in the side.

Sohel
May 10, 2012, 05:03 AM
Riyad takes time to settle in and if he survives that, he can rotate the strike with reasonable ease and play safish strokes as well. He should play at number 4 in our ODI squad IF the top 3* can manage to wear-out some of the shine and not force him into the position of a virtual opener. In tests, he can bat lower down the order. He is not a T20I player IMHO.

That being said, he's mentally weak but not nearly the sissy Aumi is under pressure. He should be FORCED to play at number 4 in ODIs or should be dropped. Hom is a significantly better batsman than he is for number 7 or 8 because of both shotmaking and strike rotation.

He bowls well in tandem and can actually drift and turn the ball under the right conditions when playing tests. His ODI bowling is nothing to write home about. His fielding really sucks now and he needs to work on that. Marriage is ruining his potential.

*Tests & ODIs: Tamim-B.Joy-Mominul

BengaliPagol
May 10, 2012, 05:16 AM
Mahmudullah has that calmness about his game. What about the world cup when we were against England? Kayes and Shakib made a good partnership and after a wicket fell everyone else fell like flies including Naeem Islam.

When Mahmudullah came on he had a calmness about him. Even though Shafiul made the difference i think Mahmudullahs role in that win was crucial.

We could possibly try Mahmudullah out at #4 if Shakib bats at #5.

Also Mahmudullah bowled well in the one of the test matches against Pakistan.

playmaker
May 10, 2012, 05:25 AM
Lullah is still lullah, when HAS he won us a match?? seriously, when??

BengaliPagol
May 10, 2012, 05:32 AM
Lullah is still lullah, when HAS he won us a match?? seriously, when??

You dont have to win a game for the team. You just have to contribute to the team. Tamim doesnt 'win matches' for the team. He contributes to the team.

Equinox
May 10, 2012, 05:56 AM
Riyad and Nasir are essentially the same players. In the long run, when guys like Mominul are in the frame I don't see both being in the team together. As much as I like him, I don't see Riyad being a part of the team in two years time. I hope he steps up and proves me wrong because he's a great personality to have in the team.

mar umpire
May 10, 2012, 06:04 AM
:up: Echoed my thoughts regarding mahmudullah as well I think he's underused as a bowler, bats well with the tail-batsmen should bat at positions they are comfortable with-if ryiad likes No8/7 and is comfortable with it and performs there, we should leave him there. I disagree with the comments "because he's good at no 8 we can make him our new no 4 etc"-A good no 8 doesn't necessarily make a good no 4 if the guy isn't mentally prepared to take the spot. It's different for other types of players-players like KP-mahmudullah mentally is not like KP.Yeah, I like Kayes too. I said it before in this site and wanted him back in the side.

Every side needs their hard workers to play around the flashier players-we've got a few now. As time goes on and we uncover more talent we can start clearing away the old debris but until then we play with what we have

Purbasha T
May 10, 2012, 06:10 AM
Cannot say that about Nasir, c'mon! He's been impressive since his debut with an attitude normall associated with Shakib and Tamim. Not for once, he seemed bothered about his opposition while he had been on the field!

simon
May 10, 2012, 06:43 AM
me like Ryad,he is a good persona & a good playa, he is cool headed, he can play under pressure but not as good as Nasir but technically better.
recently against Sri his not out 34 odd runs in quick time was indeed the key,then the WC match vs Eng,also his heroics in Tests while batting with the tail shows what he is capable of, but his role is very very confusing like where he should bat or should he be a regular bowler or a part timer etc.
Although he disappointed me quite a few times but I still have faith on him.:up:

mar umpire
May 10, 2012, 07:09 AM
nasir is now an automatic pick

BengaliPagol
May 10, 2012, 08:22 AM
mahmudullah is a good bowler in tests. He might not have a good record in bowling in odi's but he is effective in tests. I remember he bowled really well in one of the days in a test match against pakistan but he bowled about 5 overs the next day which was dissapointing because he was bowled well on the previous day.
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Tiger444
May 10, 2012, 09:28 AM
Like I've said before, he should either bat at #4/5 or just not be in the team. Because he doesn't bowl as much as Shakib does and also takes longer to accelerate then Mushy, Shakib, and Nasir. He's just not a #7/8. I think once we put Riyad in a position where he can build then we'll have a better idea of what he has to offer. It seems at the moment everyone including Riyad is just confused as to what his position is in the team. If he can take advantage and score runs at #4 then continue with him but if he doesn't then Mominul should come in and replace him.

Dilscoop
May 10, 2012, 09:39 AM
It's RIYAD!! What's with you spelling names all weird RoEy?

fiasnahk
May 10, 2012, 10:07 AM
Mahmudullah has serious potential. I think he has a cool and calm head and can be a much more consistant no.4 than mushy. To be honest him batting at number 7 and not really bowling is a waste of his talent when guys batting at no.4 have all struggled. We have nasir hossain now who can finish off matches for us with mushy. I think mushy is the best power hitter we have at the moment (surprising i know, but look at how easily he hits those sixes compared to the rest). Mahmudullah at 4 can shore up the innings with shakib at 5, nassir at 6 and mushy at 7. Plz give him a full series to stake his claim, not 1 or 2 matches. Also his bowling is so underated. So many times he has come on and looked the most threatening of all the part time spinners. He gets the most turn of all the spinners IMO.

Ian Pont
May 10, 2012, 10:19 AM
Riyad is a smashing guy. I really like him. He has passion and works hard in the nets. I feel he needs guidance and has to understand what his role is in the team.

Different coaches have used him in a variety of ways. He averages 30 in Tests, so is on a par with the better batters average wise in the BD team and his ODI average of 31 is inflated by 22 not outs (his 'straight' average would be closer to 20). His bowling averages are not great in Test or ODI's though.

Having said this he takes useful wickets, (if sometimes leaking runs with bad balls) and he scores important runs. None more so that the glorious knock against England, which was proof he CAN bat.

I feel it's vital he gets some role clarity from a Head Coach, goes away and works at that role and thus becomes a vital cog in the BD cricket machine. Sometimes players simply want to understand what they are trying to do and what the coach wants them to do. After that it's up to the player to become an expert at doing it.

Roey Haque
May 10, 2012, 11:24 AM
It's RIYAD!! What's with you spelling names all weird RoEy?

It's called an honest mistake kiddo. In your case ( and yes I do remember), it was purely intentional and disrespectful.

playmaker
May 10, 2012, 11:28 AM
The simple reason Lullah isnt getting chances is simply because he failed at important times. Remember the 3rd ODI against Pakistan? He shouldnt have lost his wicket, or the 1st match of asia cup!

He has none but himself to blame as he isnt doing what the team needs him. You may give examples of him doing well here and there but majority of the time he fails or is unable to take the team to a good situation. I dnt have doubts in his ability/skill but Id really want to see him doing some KAMER-KAM as we bangalis say.

Dilscoop
May 10, 2012, 11:38 AM
It's called an honest mistake kiddo.
Well you can always get your name fixed at the SSN :)

On a serious note, that's why it says "Riyadh" everywhere in your post?

Ajfar
May 10, 2012, 11:41 AM
Dilscoop why you nitpicking so much man. What are you Monk from the USA TV show

Dilscoop
May 10, 2012, 11:53 AM
To add something to the topic:

I will never forget the time they brought in our beloved Mohammed Ashraful and dropped in-form, red hot Riyad down to 7, after deservedly earning a promotion to No.4. Riyad was never the same after that. Riyad was our Nasir. We all loved him. Now he is the 2nd Imrul in the team.

AsifTheManRahman
May 10, 2012, 01:12 PM
I feel it's vital he gets some role clarity from a Head Coach, goes away and works at that role and thus becomes a vital cog in the BD cricket machine. Sometimes players simply want to understand what they are trying to do and what the coach wants them to do. After that it's up to the player to become an expert at doing it.
Coach, what do you feel Riyad's role should be?

M.H.Rubel
May 10, 2012, 01:32 PM
I like Riyad.Technically he is one of our best and dependable batsman.It is never ever a good idea to bat him low down the order.He is not a finisher rather he is better in innings building.
Best finisher of the team should bat at #6 and #7.So he should bat at #4.
My line up:
1.Tamim
2.Imrul/Anamul
3.Jahurul
4.Riyad
5.Shakib
6.Mushy
7.Nasir

MarufH
May 10, 2012, 01:45 PM
Riyad is a smashing guy. I really like him. He has passion and works hard in the nets. I feel he needs guidance and has to understand what his role is in the team.

Different coaches have used him in a variety of ways. He averages 30 in Tests, so is on a par with the better batters average wise in the BD team and his ODI average of 31 is inflated by 22 not outs (his 'straight' average would be closer to 20). His bowling averages are not great in Test or ODI's though.

Having said this he takes useful wickets, (if sometimes leaking runs with bad balls) and he scores important runs. None more so that the glorious knock against England, which was proof he CAN bat.

I feel it's vital he gets some role clarity from a Head Coach, goes away and works at that role and thus becomes a vital cog in the BD cricket machine. Sometimes players simply want to understand what they are trying to do and what the coach wants them to do. After that it's up to the player to become an expert at doing it.

:up: Well said.

BD Rox
May 10, 2012, 02:48 PM
I think we need Mahmudullah in the lineup. Polock is right about Mahmudullah being a cool headed person.

Even though everyone might not like Kayes i like him. This is the same way i feel about Mahmudullah. He has the talent. I think he could be a rock in the middle/low order. He probably doesnt have the flashiness boundaries in his game but he can be solid.
'Riyad'er hateh mair ase'. I think he should be in the team. He is the one who supported Nasir against Sri Lanka in the Asia Cup, and took BD to the wining margin.

BD Rox
May 10, 2012, 02:52 PM
I like Riyad.Technically he is one of our best and dependable batsman.It is never ever a good idea to bat him low down the order.He is not a finisher rather he is better in innings building.
Best finisher of the team should bat at #6 and #7.So he should bat at #4.
My line up:
1.Tamim
2.Imrul/Anamul
3.Jahurul
4.Riyad
5.Shakib
6.Mushy
7.Nasir
But, to me he is a good finisher.He played some good knocks against India, and also some other teams.

kalpurush
May 10, 2012, 03:05 PM
He is the 2nd best All rounder after Shakib. .
I thought the 2nd best all rounder is Nasir at the moment.
Nasir bats well
Nasie Bowls well
Nasir fields well

And Law thinks same way too! :)

Ian Pont
May 10, 2012, 09:12 PM
Coach, what do you feel Riyad's role should be?

I am sure the new Head Coach designate, Richard Pybus, will sit down with all the players and work out their roles.

Jadukor
May 10, 2012, 11:41 PM
Dont remember or know much of him besides being an ex pakistan coach. Has he been in the news for the last 3-4 years? Not thrilled about the pick but i would be glad if we get a coach in place soon so that he has ample time getting to know the players, plan and prepare for the world cup

Roey Haque
May 11, 2012, 12:15 AM
Well you can always get your name fixed at the SSN :)

On a serious note, that's why it says "Riyadh" everywhere in your post?

Yes. You see I spelled it right in the main title. But for some reason after that, I unknowingly retorted to putting an h in the end.

Zunaid
May 11, 2012, 12:37 AM
Yes. You see I spelled it right in the main title. But for some reason after that, I unknowingly retorted to putting an h in the end.

I edited the title to get rid of the 'h'. Typeos happen. Scoop needs to chill.

playmaker
May 11, 2012, 01:40 AM
ABDV engagemente por IPLe emon khela dekhaise ar amgo playergula biyer por bhota hoiya jai.

Lullah-r to dekhi biyer por kono effect hoilo na. Age jerokom khelto ekhon sherokom khele

Tiger444
May 11, 2012, 09:37 AM
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This video just shows how good Riyad can be when he's in a positive frame of mind. Need to see more of this from him.

simon
May 11, 2012, 09:42 AM
^^this is a good example of what Ryad has to offer, although it's against India :-p and on a not so pace friendly conditions of Dhaka(/CTG?)
But his 100 vs NZ in NZ was quite something.:up:

zsayeed
May 11, 2012, 10:47 AM
The simple reason Lullah isnt getting chances is simply because he failed at important times.

Playmaker: One thing I fail to understand...
Is the name "lullah" that you so often use - is it pejorative? If not then why do you use it? And if it is then why do you use it?

M.H.Rubel
May 11, 2012, 01:59 PM
I thought the 2nd best all rounder is Nasir at the moment.
Nasir bats well
Nasie Bowls well
Nasir fields well

And Law thinks same way too! :)

Yes if this is ODI nasir is better than Riyad in every department.But in case of test Nasir os not tested enough and Riyad is better in tests than short format,even as a bowler.

BengaliPagol
May 11, 2012, 08:58 PM
You cant compare Nasir with Mahmudullah in the bowling department. Nasir barely bowls.

Jadukor
May 11, 2012, 09:05 PM
Playmaker: One thing I fail to understand...
Is the name "lullah" that you so often use - is it pejorative? If not then why do you use it? And if it is then why do you use it?

I think this is why: Mahmudullah=dullah=lullah=lula = lame (in cricket)
Obviously he isn't mahmudullah's biggest fan

Night_wolf
May 11, 2012, 11:42 PM
Reyad lost all my respect in the asia cup final

Ajfar
May 12, 2012, 12:00 AM
Riyad knows how to play shots, if he spends enough time in the middle. He needs to stop taking forever to get off strike. Omi did a really good job on the game against India in Asia cup, picking up singles and keeping the scorecard ticking. Riyad needs to do a better job of this. I think Riyad can make a decent # 4 batsman, given he picks up his strike rate, he can't put whoever else on the other end at pressure. If he take singles and let the other batsman play their shot, than later on he will get his chance to play his shots.

BANFAN
May 12, 2012, 12:17 AM
Riyad should only be considered for the Test Matches.

BengaliPagol
May 12, 2012, 12:20 AM
Riyad's usefulness in the team shouldnt be discredited.

Instead of Razzak bowling in the 10th over of the innings they should let Mahmudullah bowl.

playmaker
May 12, 2012, 12:51 AM
I think this is why: Mahmudullah=dullah=lullah=lula = lame (in cricket)
Obviously he isn't mahmudullah's biggest fan

lullah means lazy

And the reason why I dont like him because he doesnt fire. What has he done in the last 10 test innings? Or apart from that 39 run in the SL match, what really did he do? Or say in the WC, apart from that england match he failed in every other match.

I want to keep high standards, thats why Im not satisfied if a player scores just 1 good innings in 15 matches, I want them to score a good innings in every alternative match!!

BengaliPagol
May 12, 2012, 01:14 AM
I want to keep high standards, thats why Im not satisfied if a player scores just 1 good innings in 15 matches.

Yeah Bangladesh have high standards dont they?

deshimon
May 12, 2012, 01:15 AM
When Ryad came first in the team as a alrounder but he is now considerd as batsman. As a batsman he isn't so usefull for the team.

Gowza
May 12, 2012, 02:16 AM
riyad is useful in any format it's just whether he's useful enough. for one-dayers and t20s atm he's not quite versatile enough as a batsman and isn't quite potent enough/economical enough as a bowler so he's basically a bits and pieces player but a very solid one, not quite an allrounder....naeem is similar.

Catskills
May 12, 2012, 04:19 PM
I am still pissed off at how Riyad really played in the Asia cup final. His whole motto was to keep his wicket rather than try to win the match. What was he thinking- getting 1 to 2 runs in last few overs and then hit 10 runs in the last ball? This ain't happen. He should be punished and not let him play for a long time. I know other players did bad like Nazimuddin played like he was playing test match, but Riyad could have finished off the game easily and he blew it big time. in my team, he is out.

BengaliPagol
May 12, 2012, 07:45 PM
Thats a bit harsh on Mahmudullah.

If you watched carefully in the last over he tried to hit the balls for 4. But it was just unlucky. Credit to Aizaz Cheema. He bowled the last over well.

How can you give him all the blame when Nazimuddin scored 16 runs off 52 balls and Nasir scored 28 runs off 63 balls. Altogether they scored 44 runs off 115 balls. And in those 115 balls faced there was 41 dot balls by Nasir and 38 dot balls from Nazim. Altogether that is 79 dot balls. They could have easily scored 3 runs from those 89 dot balls.

Also Shahadat contributed to the loss from the last over he bowled.

Why singling out Mahmudullah? At least he tried. Next time have a bit of sense when you are posting.

Jadukor
May 12, 2012, 09:59 PM
Others did play bad but when mahmudulkah came in there was a genuine chance to win the game and even more so after mash hit those boundaries. We don't need a finisher who can't hit even fours let alone sixes. All i hear about him is that he has cool and calm head but for me i feel his head is too calm when i see he is letting mash doing the hitting or shafiul doing the hitting ( in the england game) instead of him taking control of the situation. We need a finisher with more balls who would go hulk on the bowlers for odi and t-20. For test matches mahmudullah is a perfect choice

BengaliPagol
May 12, 2012, 11:01 PM
They only needed 3 runs from 89 dot balls.

Polock044
May 13, 2012, 05:31 AM
We have two Genuine spinning all rounder ..Shakib&Riyad.. I don't consider Nasir as a all rounder. I don't think he will bowl any more in international arena. We need some one like Nasir as a Genuine batsman and also exceptional fielder.

BengaliPagol
May 13, 2012, 07:36 AM
I don't consider Nasir as a all rounder. I don't think he will bowl any more in international arena. We need some one like Nasir as a Genuine batsman and also exceptional fielder.

I also think Nasir should stay just as a specialist batsmen. I dont understand why people think of him as an allrounder. He hasnt done anything great with his bowling. Let him concentrate solely on batting.
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oronnya
May 13, 2012, 11:53 AM
I also think Nasir should stay just as a specialist batsmen. I dont understand why people think of him as an allrounder. He hasnt done anything great with his bowling. Let him concentrate solely on batting.
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ditto ..

Catskills
May 13, 2012, 12:42 PM
Others did play bad but when mahmudulkah came in there was a genuine chance to win the game and even more so after mash hit those boundaries. We don't need a finisher who can't hit even fours let alone sixes. All i hear about him is that he has cool and calm head but for me i feel his head is too calm when i see he is letting mash doing the hitting or shafiul doing the hitting ( in the england game) instead of him taking control of the situation. We need a finisher with more balls who would go hulk on the bowlers for odi and t-20. For test matches mahmudullah is a perfect choice

exactly!! Like you you said " he is letting mash doing the hitting or shafiul doing the hitting ( in the England game) instead of him taking control of the situation." If Shafiul or Mash can hit boundaries, what the heck is he doing being the last full time batsman? When someone says "Next time have a bit of sense when you are posting." I will have sense when Riyad plays with some sense, otherwise let him play in club cricket. Cricket involves strategy, the idea is not to keep the last wicket- there is no point for that. I had enough of him and see no future in him. I would rather use my sense in some other cricketers' future.

oronnya
May 13, 2012, 12:55 PM
Don't write off Riyad untill you get a better offie who is more than handy batsman.. Riyad offers variety to our spin attack .. and no Nasir is not better than Riyad as a bowler.. I like Riyad and his calm attitude ..

Catskills
May 13, 2012, 01:05 PM
Riyad should only be considered for the Test Matches.

Riyad should only be considered for nothing at this time!!

hoodlum
May 13, 2012, 05:05 PM
Riyad should only be considered for nothing at this time!!

:up::up:

Gowza
May 13, 2012, 09:13 PM
naeem islam is a handy bat and decent off spinner, so is mahmudul hasan. of course riyad has the experience and we know he can perform at times. however the final of the asia cup really showcases what type of player riyad is, he definitely is not a finisher and that really means he can bat #5 at lowest.

you can see this person and that person gave away this many dot balls, but when it comes down to it riyad was there for the last few overs, he had enough time to get his eye in, he should have been the one to take control and win the match, take the strike and the responsibility.

and tbh we wouldn't have been close to winning this match if it wasn't for mash, as mash walked in it was pretty much over but when he walked out he had turned that all around. so not only did riyad let down at the end, he wasn't the one to pt us in that position to win either and considering he was the batsman and the others were the bowlers that says volumes about hs playing position.

riyad certainly isn't useless and he certainly is a solid player, and it's not that he doesn't have the talent but as it is he hasn't been able to develop his game to a level where he can take control of certain situations.

as a batsman he's a level below guys like tamim and shakib but higher than the rest, his next step needs to be developing his finishing game. as a middle order/lower order batsman he needs to be able to accelerate in t20s and one-dayers otherwise that format just isn't for him. he's a great option for #6 in tests though.

oronnya
May 13, 2012, 09:24 PM
naeem islam is a handy bat and decent off spinner, so is mahmudul hasan. of course riyad has the experience and we know he can perform at times. however the final of the asia cup really showcases what type of player riyad is, he definitely is not a finisher and that really means he can bat #5 at lowest.

you can see this person and that person gave away this many dot balls, but when it comes down to it riyad was there for the last few overs, he had enough time to get his eye in, he should have been the one to take control and win the match, take the strike and the responsibility.

and tbh we wouldn't have been close to winning this match if it wasn't for mash, as mash walked in it was pretty much over but when he walked out he had turned that all around. so not only did riyad let down at the end, he wasn't the one to pt us in that position to win either and considering he was the batsman and the others were the bowlers that says volumes about hs playing position.

riyad certainly isn't useless and he certainly is a solid player, and it's not that he doesn't have the talent but as it is he hasn't been able to develop his game to a level where he can take control of certain situations.

as a batsman he's a level below guys like tamim and shakib but higher than the rest, his next step needs to be developing his finishing game. as a middle order/lower order batsman he needs to be able to accelerate in t20s and one-dayers otherwise that format just isn't for him. he's a great option for #6 in tests though.

Gotta agree with you !! As much as I like Riyad, I have to admit that he is not a good finisher of the game.. That's why I want him to bat at #4/#5..

I find him to be the most fit player of the team.. Hope he works more on his bowling and learns the art of finishing the game..

Tiger444
May 13, 2012, 10:05 PM
naeem islam is a handy bat and decent off spinner, so is mahmudul hasan. of course riyad has the experience and we know he can perform at times. however the final of the asia cup really showcases what type of player riyad is, he definitely is not a finisher and that really means he can bat #5 at lowest.

you can see this person and that person gave away this many dot balls, but when it comes down to it riyad was there for the last few overs, he had enough time to get his eye in, he should have been the one to take control and win the match, take the strike and the responsibility.

and tbh we wouldn't have been close to winning this match if it wasn't for mash, as mash walked in it was pretty much over but when he walked out he had turned that all around. so not only did riyad let down at the end, he wasn't the one to pt us in that position to win either and considering he was the batsman and the others were the bowlers that says volumes about hs playing position.

riyad certainly isn't useless and he certainly is a solid player, and it's not that he doesn't have the talent but as it is he hasn't been able to develop his game to a level where he can take control of certain situations.

as a batsman he's a level below guys like tamim and shakib but higher than the rest, his next step needs to be developing his finishing game. as a middle order/lower order batsman he needs to be able to accelerate in t20s and one-dayers otherwise that format just isn't for him. he's a great option for #6 in tests though.

:up: As usual, great post Gowza. Riyad needs to start learning how to take control of situations better. Forget about Shakib, look at Mushy even. In the West Indies match he took the game in to his hands and ended up winning the match and then of course the India match was a great example. Of course I wish Mushy could repeat that performance again in the Asia Cup but you could see the intent he shows compared to Riyad and also the ability to take control of the match. Mushy did have the problem as well with accelerating but has greatly improved which unfortunately Riyad has failed to do in his time with the national team.

Let's not forget about the fact that Riyad hasn't been able to notch up a 50 in his last 10 innings in Tests. A lot of his good statistics in Tests came from the early 2010 when he looked a much different batsman. The guy can definitely bat but he has to perform now. There are many other good middle order batsmen like Mominul, Shuvagata, and Shabbir who are all waiting to get their chance to prove themselves. So it should be a do or die situation for Riyad.

oronnya
May 13, 2012, 10:14 PM
:up: As usual, great post Gowza. Riyad needs to start learning how to take control of situations better. Forget about Shakib, look at Mushy even. In the West Indies match he took the game in to his hands and ended up winning the match and then of course the India match was a great example. Of course I wish Mushy could repeat that performance again in the Asia Cup but you could see the intent he shows compared to Riyad and also the ability to take control of the match. Mushy did have the problem as well with accelerating but has greatly improved which unfortunately Riyad has failed to do in his time with the national team.

Let's not forget about the fact that Riyad hasn't been able to notch up a 50 in his last 10 innings in Tests. A lot of his good statistics in Tests came from the early 2010 when he looked a much different batsman. The guy can definitely bat but he has to perform now. There are many other good middle order batsmen like Mominul, Shuvagata, and Shabbir who are all waiting to get their chance to prove themselves. So it should be a do or die situation for Riyad.

The only problem with Riyad is he is not a confident guy.. He is not sure about his ability.. So many times I've seen him getting double minded about his shot selection and getting out.. But he looks sooo good when he plays those confident shots !! Yeah it's a do or die situation for him now.. getting the vice captaincy doesn't guarantee him a position in the team.. he have to prove his worth...

Tiger444
May 13, 2012, 10:24 PM
The only problem with Riyad is he is not a confident guy.. He is not sure about his ability.. So many times I've seen him getting double minded about his shot selection and getting out.. But he looks sooo good when he plays those confident shots !! Yeah it's a do or die situation for him now.. getting the vice captaincy doesn't guarantee him a position in the team.. he have to prove his worth...

It's a problem with a lot of our guys. They just seem too introvert. You can see that our best players such as Tamim, Shakib, and Mushy all have that arrogance and swagger. Nasir is another guy who has shown that as well. Unfortunately the quieter guys that have come in have not been able to sustain their success.

The key point you make is the VC post doesn't guarantee your position. You have to prove why you belong as well.

oronnya
May 13, 2012, 10:39 PM
It's a problem with a lot of our guys. They just seem too introvert. You can see that our best players such as Tamim, Shakib, and Mushy all have that arrogance and swagger. Nasir is another guy who has shown that as well. Unfortunately the quieter guys that have come in have not been able to sustain their success.

The key point you make is the VC post doesn't guarantee your position. You have to prove why you belong as well.

Yup that's the exact reason I don't mind Shakib-Tamim's arrogance (as they say) .. your overall attitude reflects in your performance.. If someone is confident then let them be as we don't have the luxury of too many confident players..

Gowza
May 13, 2012, 10:50 PM
maybe BD's top players are confident/arrogant, but i think the reason they are successful is because they are competitive. certainly shakib, tamim and nasir are. i think when it comes time if there is enough talent and the player has a really comptetive nature they will succeed. i don't think it's very often that a player has those 2 attributes and doesn't succeed.

confidence/arrogance comes from success, the success comes from talent and being competitive.

Jadukor
May 14, 2012, 01:32 AM
failure as a finisher should not be a reason to promote someone up to a key position like no.4. Just look at nasir. He was given a chance lower down the order and he performed and got promoted to no.4 where he performed yet again. Nasir has very little experience compared to mahmudullah and is only going to get better as he refines his game.

After the asia cup performance our players should have the confidence for the future. If we can find another player similar to nasir for the finishers role then our team combination will be complete.