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Maysun
May 14, 2012, 03:45 PM
Okay with all the commotion and drama everyday here in BC and everywhere else when either Shakib or Tamim are not picked in the IPL (or any other tournament for that matter), I want to hear your opinion about it.

T20 is here to stay, if we like it or not, and are our players aren't as recognized by the world when it comes to the format. Most of the premier T20 players who have already proven their mettle might have already played tons of domestic/international T20's unlike our players.

So here's a poll, vote and share your opinion!

MohammedC
May 14, 2012, 03:46 PM
I see no poll

Maysun
May 14, 2012, 03:48 PM
I have added it! :)

mufi_02
May 14, 2012, 03:50 PM
We just don't play enough T20. But BPL is here to stay. So I will give 2-3 years, and our players will be recognized by then.

MohammedC
May 14, 2012, 03:50 PM
The Bangladeshi tag

Night_wolf
May 14, 2012, 03:51 PM
The Bangladeshi tag will be the clear winner

TigerEz
May 14, 2012, 03:54 PM
wait till world t20.....we will see what the problem is.....wait there is gonna be no problem at all

mufi_02
May 14, 2012, 03:55 PM
But how do we break the tag? We have to perform consistently in a good platform. BPL is thus the answer.

OP said that most of the players proved their mettle in their own domestic league. BPL is our platform and we need few seasons of it to show it.

Maysun
May 14, 2012, 03:57 PM
We aren't even ranked in the T20 format by the ICC! :facepalm:

Tiger444
May 14, 2012, 04:03 PM
Having BPL will certainly help but we can't just depend on a franchise league. We need a domestic T20 league as well. The BPL can be for the best of the Bangladeshi players competing with other foreign players but we need a domestic T20 league so other local players have a chance to play and prove they can play in the BPL. It'll increase the competition and pool of players. We also need a NCL OD league but unfortunately BCB seems to be too focused on just the DPL. Franchise leagues are always going to be needed but domestics are key in unearthing new and fresh talent.

zsayeed
May 14, 2012, 04:27 PM
Item 2 and 3 on the poll are pretty much the same. Suggest coalescing them.

simon
May 14, 2012, 04:30 PM
BD tag!!!

MohammedC
May 14, 2012, 05:39 PM
We aren't even ranked in the T20 format by the ICC! :facepalm:

Because we did not play enough international T-20 since the ranking system has started.

Note: Only teams who have completed at least eight T20 international matches since 1st August between two and three years ago will have their rating above converted into a ranking on the main table.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/rankings/content/page/211271.html

And we have played 6 since 1st of August 2009.

Rabz
May 15, 2012, 12:13 AM
But how do we break the tag?

By winning the T20 World Cup this year in Sri Lanka.
Inshallah.

Or atleast, reaching the semis.

Maysun
May 15, 2012, 02:01 AM
By winning the T20 World Cup this year in Sri Lanka.
Inshallah.

Or atleast, reaching the semis.

We're in one of the toughest groups. Pakistan specifically will be hard to beat.

But again, all the overseas players that do get signed in these T20 tournaments have proven more on the domestic level than on the international stage, if you happen to notice.

Rabz
May 15, 2012, 02:06 AM
^^ A good performance in the BPL will not get any Bangladeshi any IPL teams.
Hec, even Shakib and Tamim after their Asia Cup show are having tough time getting into a main XI !!

Only thing that will and can change the "Bangladeshi Tag" is more success on the international level.

Maysun
May 15, 2012, 08:00 AM
Wow, so far neck in neck

zinatf
May 15, 2012, 10:00 AM
^^ A good performance in the BPL will not get any Bangladeshi any IPL teams.
Hec, even Shakib and Tamim after their Asia Cup show are having tough time getting into a main XI !!

Only thing that will and can change the "Bangladeshi Tag" is more success on the international level.

I agree with Rabz bhai....only more International success can lead us to more exposures....Insha Allah there will be a day soon....when the IPL organisers will be behind our players, but they will be too busy with national level duties....just like Australia/England

zinatf
May 15, 2012, 10:01 AM
.....and it will be even better if we can at least get into the semis/finals....although beating Pak/NZ will be quite difficult....

simon
May 15, 2012, 10:38 AM
our bowling fielding are pretty good in T20s but our batsmen are not good in T20s, only Ash is a reliable one,Junaid is good too.
Mushy played a good hand in BPL and also his inn that won us the recent t20 vs WI.
Sak,TI and Nasir need to find a way out to score runs in this form.
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Tiger444
May 15, 2012, 10:39 AM
.....and it will be even better if we can at least get into the semis/finals....although beating Pak/NZ will be quite difficult....

We should be able to beat NZ to be honest. Not saying it'll be easy but let's not forget that their batsmen are not good in subcontinental conditions as we saw when they experienced the "banglawash." Also we're seeing the New Zealanders struggling in the IPL now. So we should be good against them. Pakistan, on the other hand, will definitely be tough.

Maysun
May 15, 2012, 11:15 AM
Do you think if a Bangladeshi had done something similar to what Richard Levi has done on an International level in 1/2 matches, he'd get attention?

Sohel
May 15, 2012, 11:54 AM
The Bangladeshi tag.

simon
May 15, 2012, 12:05 PM
[বাংলা]বাংলাদেশি ত্যাগ[/বাংলা]

zinatf
May 15, 2012, 12:06 PM
Eki? Mahir bhai 4ta option select kore boshe ase....not fair to us....

TimAus
May 15, 2012, 09:12 PM
In the end no Bangladesh player has set the world alight at T20. Shakib is a good bowler in the format but his batting isn't world class like in ODIs and Tests. Tamim hasn't played enough to prove himself either way. For T20 leagues money talks and reputations talk. If Bangladesh players start to get a reputation for being T20 stars they will start getting big IPL contracts. We've seen guys get selected for IPLs based on domestic T20, CLT20 and T20I and even explosive ODI batting from all circles (Ryan Ten Doschate consisently gets IPL deals and he's from Holland). This whole 'Bangladesh tag' thing is a myth. Bangladesh players are either not good enough or (most likely) haven't played enough of the format to build a reputation in it.

Sohel
May 15, 2012, 10:27 PM
I don't think our guys get enough or as many chances in high profile T20 events to "set the world alight". It's more about why we don't get a fair shake, not what we may or may not do if and when we do. We haven't yet.

al Furqaan
May 15, 2012, 10:48 PM
In the end no Bangladesh player has set the world alight at T20. Shakib is a good bowler in the format but his batting isn't world class like in ODIs and Tests. Tamim hasn't played enough to prove himself either way. For T20 leagues money talks and reputations talk. If Bangladesh players start to get a reputation for being T20 stars they will start getting big IPL contracts. We've seen guys get selected for IPLs based on domestic T20, CLT20 and T20I and even explosive ODI batting from all circles (Ryan Ten Doschate consisently gets IPL deals and he's from Holland). This whole 'Bangladesh tag' thing is a myth. Bangladesh players are either not good enough or (most likely) haven't played enough of the format to build a reputation in it.

Well its about a double standard, is Ten Doeschate as good as shakib or tamim? I highly doubt it. But all other IPL players, Indian or foreign, get picked and paid big bucks based on Test or ODI performances. Some do well, some don't. But almost all get a fair shake. Tamim and Shakib didn't and continue to not. They have very solid Test stats. Perhaps it was the Ashrafuls who squandered the earlier opportunities that made it tough for Tamim/Shakib...but even that is unfair.

Max100
May 16, 2012, 12:26 AM
Hello. New member here. Love Bangladesh cricket. My favorite player is shakib al hasan.

Zeeshan
May 16, 2012, 01:38 AM
Hi Max100. Welcome to the forum! Enjoy your stay.

Maysun
May 16, 2012, 02:48 AM
Night_wolf, It's 13 a piece at the top! You were saying, the Bangladeshi tag would be the clear winner? :)

zinatf
May 16, 2012, 04:42 AM
In the end no Bangladesh player has set the world alight at T20. Shakib is a good bowler in the format but his batting isn't world class like in ODIs and Tests. Tamim hasn't played enough to prove himself either way. For T20 leagues money talks and reputations talk. If Bangladesh players start to get a reputation for being T20 stars they will start getting big IPL contracts. We've seen guys get selected for IPLs based on domestic T20, CLT20 and T20I and even explosive ODI batting from all circles (Ryan Ten Doschate consisently gets IPL deals and he's from Holland). This whole 'Bangladesh tag' thing is a myth. Bangladesh players are either not good enough or (most likely) haven't played enough of the format to build a reputation in it.

Thanks for joining Tim! Good to have u here.....guess who am I from the chat room ;)

BengaliPagol
May 16, 2012, 05:46 AM
I think Bangladesh are yet to prove themselves in the T20 format. The more T20's we play the better. In saying that i think we should make test matches our priority.

kalpurush
May 16, 2012, 06:05 AM
This whole 'Bangladesh tag' thing is a myth. Bangladesh players are either not good enough or (most likely) haven't played enough of the format to build a reputation in it.


I beg to differ here...
Shakib is the #1 alrounder in both ODI and Test and Tamim has scored four fifty's in recent Asia Cup 2012 and you are saying they aren't good enough!?


Anyway,
Welcome to BC and wish you would have a pleasent time here :)

TimAus
May 16, 2012, 06:09 AM
Well its about a double standard, is Ten Doeschate as good as shakib or tamim? I highly doubt it. But all other IPL players, Indian or foreign, get picked and paid big bucks based on Test or ODI performances. Some do well, some don't. But almost all get a fair shake. Tamim and Shakib didn't and continue to not. They have very solid Test stats. Perhaps it was the Ashrafuls who squandered the earlier opportunities that made it tough for Tamim/Shakib...but even that is unfair.

Look at ICC rankings, number one test batsman: Chanderpaul, number one ODI batsman: Amla. How are their IPL contracts going?

I think Shakib deserves more game time but he's on a strong team with a specialist spinner (Narine) who is dominating. Tendo isn't getting much of a run either. The fact remains that if you look at Shakib's T20 record with the bat it is poor. Yes some great Test batsmen become great T20 batsmen but the big IPL teams aren't going to throw money at someone just for good test form. You need to prove you can bat in that format. It isn't just Bangladesh players struggling to get a game, any international on a strong team will struggle to break in given the calibre of players in the league. JP Duminy, Jesse Ryder and Eoin Morgan are three I can think of struggling for a spot.

Wait till after the T20 World Cup (and Zimbabwe triangular series) cos if Bangladesh keep playing well in those then some big IPL contracts will come some players way. Most of the team is still really young. Also if BPL get some teams in the Champions League they'll get more good exposure there.

kalpurush
May 16, 2012, 06:20 AM
Jesse Ryder ...I can think of struggling for a spot. .

JR got blessings of dad(a) and playing most of the matches unless he is injured...


Wait till after the T20 World Cup (and Zimbabwe triangular series) cos if Bangladesh keep playing well in those then some big IPL contracts will come some players way. Most of the team is still really young. Also if BPL get some teams in the Champions League they'll get more good exposure there.
You are right here ^^^ though.

BengaliPagol
May 16, 2012, 06:56 AM
Look at ICC rankings, number one test batsman: Chanderpaul, number one ODI batsman: Amla. How are their IPL contracts going?

Your right when you put it into that context.

kalpurush
May 16, 2012, 07:06 AM
Look at ICC rankings, number one test batsman: Chanderpaul, number one ODI batsman: Amla. How are their IPL contracts going?



Your right when you put it into that context.
Chanderpaul became the #1 Test batter when this year IPL already started...

Out_You_Go
May 16, 2012, 08:40 AM
Look at ICC rankings, number one test batsman: Chanderpaul, number one ODI batsman: Amla. How are their IPL contracts going?


Well, i do not know about Chanders..but Amla does not play in IPL due to religious reasons (related to cheerleaders and others).


Regards.

Maysun
May 16, 2012, 08:47 AM
Well, i do not know about Chanders..but Amla does not play in IPL due to religious reasons (related to cheerleaders and others).


Really? I thought he only had objection to the beer sponsor Castle on the SA jersey

But coming back to the topic, a lot of Test batsman has made the transition to the T20 quite well. One just needs to learn the art and probably playing a lot of T20's.

TimAus
May 16, 2012, 09:12 AM
Well everyone can breathe a sigh of relief anyway cos Shakib is playing today.

zinatf
May 16, 2012, 09:25 AM
I know Tim.....moi so excited :D

Maysun
May 16, 2012, 10:59 AM
Again. Needs to learn the art of batting in T20.

deshimon
May 16, 2012, 03:53 PM
Bangladesh don't play enough T20. We will see our perfomance after one month in Zimbabwe. The we can blame others.

Out_You_Go
May 17, 2012, 02:21 AM
Bangladesh don't play enough T20. We will see our perfomance after one month in Zimbabwe. The we can blame others.

Be optimistic! I am expecting to win a game or two against South Africa. Zimbabwe should not be tough, IF we take them seriously.

Having said that, even if its a practice match, i will buy a win against SA over losing to Zim anyday. But thats just me!


Regards.

Out_You_Go
May 17, 2012, 02:26 AM
Really? I thought he only had objection to the beer sponsor Castle on the SA jersey

Yes. I am definitely sure i have read it somewhere reliable. Moreover, a man who refuses to play in Castle sponsorerd jersey, has a wife who does head-to-toe covering..do you really think will play in front half-naked cheerleaders (no offence)?

But coming back to the topic, a lot of Test batsman has made the transition to the T20 quite well. One just needs to learn the art and probably playing a lot of T20's.

True. Its just a mater of mentality and ability to conprehend and act towards gaming condition.


Regards.

Tigers_eye
May 17, 2012, 08:10 PM
There is nothing artistic of this format. Those who know proper cricket can play all format. Problem is our boys do not know the proper cricket yet. Recycled material diye kaj hobay na.

deshimon
May 18, 2012, 03:31 AM
Let's see what is our performace few days later. I don't want any negative comment at this moment. Hope for their good performance like recent ODI.

oronnya
May 18, 2012, 10:06 AM
Let's see what is our performace few days later. I don't want any negative comment at this moment. Hope for their good performance like recent ODI.

It's better we don't hope or expect much from them.. Our experience tells us that whenever our hope goes up they start to disappoint us :facepalm: .. One good performance in Asia Cup means nothing if they can't maintain that consistency.. New challenge for BD.. Let's see how they live upto it !!

fiasnahk
May 21, 2012, 02:23 PM
We just dont know how to play the format. The openers especially come in, block too many balls and then sky one after feeling the pressure. The middle order then try to either counter-attack too much or go into their shells. Shakib is the only player who is good in this format. As with any form, its the singles and twos that we cant get. There is always a period of 4-5 overs in the middle where you want singles and twos. Mushy can do it as well, but he's not consistant enough.

BD Rox
May 21, 2012, 02:32 PM
We just dont know how to play the format. The openers especially come in, block too many balls and then sky one after feeling the pressure. The middle order then try to either counter-attack too much or go into their shells. Shakib is the only player who is good in this format. As with any form, its the singles and twos that we cant get. There is always a period of 4-5 overs in the middle where you want singles and twos. Mushy can do it as well, but he's not consistant enough.

I do agree 100%. BD gotta come out from this mindset. And to come out, they just need to play more domestic/international games. And... ofcourse no mediocre playas...like....Shahadat.........should be allowed in the side.:D