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Only1raz
May 24, 2012, 10:51 AM
Hi all,

I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on, if a West Bengal cricketer decided to play for Bangladesh or was persuaded to play for Bangladesh (provided he brings something different from what we already have with the current bunch of players or the ones coming through). Technically the player would be of Bengali origin. So would like to hear everyone's thought.

Saifulsohel
May 24, 2012, 10:57 AM
U persuade any1 ? Meaningless thread.
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Bonglababu
May 24, 2012, 10:59 AM
If you make runs, take wickets and win matches for Bangladesh, it's ok. No problema.

Naimul_Hd
May 24, 2012, 11:00 AM
Hi all,

I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on, if a West Bengal cricketer decided to play for Bangladesh or was persuaded to play for Bangladesh (provided he brings something different from what we already have with the current bunch of players or the ones coming through). Technically the player would be of Bengali origin. So would like to hear everyone's thought.

He has to get BD Citizenship first to be considered for BD National Team. Only being Bengali does not fulfill the requirements.

crikss
May 24, 2012, 11:02 AM
If he becomes a Bangladeshi citizen then why not (Since we lack many quality batsman may be some imported batsman from West Bengal can solve the problem)

O.P - Thinking of sending Manoj Tiwary to Bangladesh? :p

roman
May 24, 2012, 11:07 AM
The question is if that west Bengal cricketer willing to give up Indian citizenship and become Bangladeshi..that's a tough call imho..

LateCut
May 24, 2012, 12:42 PM
I do not think you have to be citizen of Bangladesh to play for her. I think IC has rule for residency and not have represented another country for specified period. There are a bunch of people playing for associate countries who are neither indigenous nor citizens of the country they are playing for. Beside the WI team is composed of players of a few sovereign nations.
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mufi_02
May 24, 2012, 01:18 PM
West Bengalis are proud Indians. Why would they play for us? And also why do we even need to hire foreign players? Yes, they are Bengali but not Bangladeshi. Cricket is played by 10 countries and not 10 ethnic groups. Indian team has players from different ethnic groups be it Yuvraj/H Singh (Punjabi), Ganguly (Bengali), Sachin (Marathi), Pathans (Gujrati), etc.. and yet they play as one country. Well, foreign born Bangladeshis are different and we even have one US born athlete representing us in Olympics this year. But both his parents are from Bangladesh.

I would rather lose with 11 Bangladeshi than import West Bengalis and win.

BD Rox
May 24, 2012, 01:26 PM
Playing good cricket, is the key to success(win matches). You need concentration, and concentration makes a man concentrated. No need to run after West Bengalis.

Rubu
May 24, 2012, 01:31 PM
You have to meet residency requirements. Which, if I have not mistaken, is 5 years (used to be very low but after UAE won ICC trophy using only outsiders, we lobbied to make them tougher).

Besides residency issue, they have to compete against everyone else for the spot. Beside that, why not?

ahnaf
May 24, 2012, 01:35 PM
West Bengalis are proud Indians. Why would they play for us? And also why do we even need to hire foreign players? Yes, they are Bengali but not Bangladeshi. Cricket is played by 10 countries and not 10 ethnic groups. Indian team has players from different ethnic groups be it Yuvraj/H Singh (Punjabi), Ganguly (Bengali), Sachin (Marathi), Pathans (Gujrati), etc.. and yet they play as one country. Well, foreign born Bangladeshis are different and we even have one US born athlete representing us in Olympics this year. But both his parents are from Bangladesh.

I would rather lose with 11 Bangladeshi than import West Bengalis and win.

well said
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Rubu
May 24, 2012, 01:52 PM
West Bengalis are proud Indians. Why would they play for us? And also why do we even need to hire foreign players? Yes, they are Bengali but not Bangladeshi. Cricket is played by 10 countries and not 10 ethnic groups. Indian team has players from different ethnic groups be it Yuvraj/H Singh (Punjabi), Ganguly (Bengali), Sachin (Marathi), Pathans (Gujrati), etc.. and yet they play as one country. Well, foreign born Bangladeshis are different and we even have one US born athlete representing us in Olympics this year. But both his parents are from Bangladesh.

I would rather lose with 11 Bangladeshi than import West Bengalis and win.
My guess is that, the question was not asked on the base of should/should not. But if someone wants to, what are the technicality. Why would we/they want that is hypothetical.

fiasnahk
May 24, 2012, 02:00 PM
Kind of a silly question. They are indian, they have their own pride. Why would they want to come to bangladesh to play for our country. Its like saying would Bangladeshis go over to India to play for them (Even if they had the skills to do so).

AsifTheManRahman
May 24, 2012, 03:05 PM
If I were a selector and Manoj Tiwary were to meet the residency requirements and make himself available for selection, I would by all means pick him in the national XI for T20s, ODIs and Tests (did you see that FC average?).

crikss
May 24, 2012, 03:12 PM
If I were a selector and Manoj Tiwary were to meet the residency requirements and make himself available for selection, I would by all means pick him in the national XI for T20s, ODIs and Tests (did you see that FC average?).

He is a very good batsman but India never gave him chance for long time ..May be 1-2 tournament and then again drop..

Equinox
May 24, 2012, 04:03 PM
If I were a selector and Manoj Tiwary were to meet the residency requirements and make himself available for selection, I would by all means pick him in the national XI for T20s, ODIs and Tests (did you see that FC average?).
I too am stumped as to why he hasn't been considered more seriously by India. He has a FC average of 60+ and has 16 FC hundreds to date. I remember hearing that he had attitude problems when he was younger but with that record I wonder how much longer he can be ignored.

AsifTheManRahman
May 24, 2012, 04:18 PM
India has a very powerful batting lineup. There are plenty of really good players in places like India, Australia and South Africa who miss out on international glory solely because their parents decided to give birth to them in those places.

Tiwary will probably have his chances, now that some of the oldies are retiring. It'll then be up to him to make the most of it.

Maysun
May 25, 2012, 03:38 AM
If you guys didn't know, Manoj Tiwary has played 6 ODI innings and already has a century under his belt.

mar umpire
May 25, 2012, 04:32 AM
I like manoj-seems to have good rapport with shak as well

As long as it's not Ganguly

Sohel
May 25, 2012, 10:37 AM
Tiwary, Dinda, Shukla and Debabrata Das all would've have been good prospects. Interestingly enough, NONE of the first three have Bangali surnames. Those are Bihari and Ur'hia names.

AsifTheManRahman
May 25, 2012, 11:00 AM
I like what Debobroto Daash has done in this year's IPL - he has been one of the very few local talents to shine with the bat. Lokkhi Roton Shukla would be a great addition too. DIdn't realize Dinda was Bangali.

Sohel
May 25, 2012, 11:08 AM
Das has his ancestral roots in Raujan, Chittagong.

cricket_king
May 25, 2012, 11:38 AM
West Bengali cricketers from India are pretty much the worst in all of India. We're better off looking for more ball-boy Ashrafuls in our local clubs.

cricket_king
May 25, 2012, 11:43 AM
Also what's with these "Let's hire foreigners to play for us" threads? Last thing I want is a non-Bangladeshi playing for my country. Give me 11 Rakibul Hasans over a single foreigner any day.

roman
May 25, 2012, 11:54 AM
Also what's with these "Let's hire foreigners to play for us" threads? Last thing I want is a non-Bangladeshi playing for my country. Give me 11 Rakibul Hasans over a single foreigner any day.

I like.:bravo:

Tiger444
May 25, 2012, 12:05 PM
Also what's with these "Let's hire foreigners to play for us" threads? Last thing I want is a non-Bangladeshi playing for my country. Give me 11 Rakibul Hasans over a single foreigner any day.

Exactly. What's the point of talking about West Bengalis playing for us? Are we really that desperate? We got some good young players coming through the pipeline and we'll be a class side soon. No need to talk about bringing in West Bengalis.

Sohel
May 25, 2012, 12:28 PM
This is a "what if" thread perfectly within the right of anyone to open and post in. The knee-jerk, reactionary assumption that just because we're pondering such an unlikely possibility in no way means we want them instead of our own players! Sorry, but I don't see that connection here at all. Nothing is mutually exclusive here, a purely hypothetical thread started out of our common heritage with West Bengalis.

Tiger444
May 25, 2012, 06:14 PM
My apologies if I came off as an asshole in my post. I didn't mean to. I just think it would be more productive discussing our future prospects rather then being hypothetical and talking about the West bengalis playing for Bangladesh. Since we do have common heritage with them, I think its better to talk about what prospects would be good for India rather then Bangladesh.
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BengaliPagol
May 25, 2012, 08:54 PM
I dont want foreigners to play for Bangladesh but Manoj Tiwary would be a great addition to the Bangladeshi team if he did pledge his alliance to Bangladesh.

cricheart
May 26, 2012, 10:00 AM
Are thread-ta apar theke opare moved hoye gelo. Nice its an international topic now.. :-p

Maysun
May 26, 2012, 12:20 PM
I wouldn't mind others playing for Bangladesh if they'd pledge their allegiance to our country.

World Champs
May 29, 2012, 01:28 AM
Manoj tiwary is not a good player against a bowler who can even hit 140 mark. and moreover he doesn't have great technique to guts it out at international level.

Sohel
May 29, 2012, 01:45 AM
Manoj tiwary is not a good player against a bowler who can even hit 140 mark. and moreover he doesn't have great technique to guts it out at international level.

Other than Tamim, Shakib and youngsters like Bijauy, Rumman, Shubhagauto and Fazle Rabbi not quite in the team yet, EVERY Bangladeshi batsman has issues with pace and bounce, thanks to our pitiful pitches. So Manoj would fit right in.

BengaliPagol
May 29, 2012, 04:53 AM
Other than Tamim, Shakib and youngsters like Bijauy, Rumman, Shubhagauto and Fazle Rabbi not quite in the team yet, EVERY Bangladeshi batsman has issues with pace and bounce, thanks to our pitiful pitches. So Manoj would fit right in.

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Jadukor
May 31, 2012, 11:07 PM
I too am stumped as to why he hasn't been considered more seriously by India. He has a FC average of 60+ and has 16 FC hundreds to date. I remember hearing that he had attitude problems when he was younger but with that record I wonder how much longer he can be ignored.

Dhoni can be strange sometimes with his preference. For example He loves Jadeja as much as Shakib loved Rockibul. Players like Raina and Jadeja got plenty of chances already and some of those opportunities could have certainly gone to Manoj Tiwary or Badrinath (who also has an FC average of 60)

al Furqaan
June 9, 2012, 11:43 AM
Tiwary, Dinda, Shukla and Debabrata Das all would've have been good prospects. Interestingly enough, NONE of the first three have Bangali surnames. Those are Bihari and Ur'hia names.

Interesting. So Das is a bengali name? What about Chowdhury (in its ad infinitum spellings) and Sarkar? Are those bengali as well? I know there are many Chowdhury's amongst the Punjabis of Pakistan as well as the Sylhetis in Bangladesh. But I agree Tiwari, Dinda, Shukla don't really sound Bengali, but then again when you're used to associating only Perso-Arabic names with Bangalis its hard to tell between Ganguly/Gongopoddya (sp) and Dinda.

Hmm...I think it would be interesting to scope out the names of Bengal's cricketers and see them.

Btw, on topic, "NO", I am not in favor of poaching players to artificially strengthening our team. I don't even think its proper to consider someone like Jahid Ahmed (born in England) for national selection simply because we lack quality pacers. We have an abundance of players born in Bangladesh. Use them. Now if someone geniunely immigrates (Usman Khwaja), thats a different issue. And not cricket immigration like Sean Ervine or Kevin Pietersen.

al Furqaan
June 9, 2012, 11:46 AM
Btw, anyone notice a new Bengali muslim pacer who just turned out for India A during their current tour of West Indies? His name is Shami Ahmed and apparently he has pace. Did well in the first unofficial test this past week. Outperformed Dinda by taking 5-67 in the match.