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kalpurush
June 16, 2012, 05:31 AM
Zimbabwe Twenty20 triangular series 2012

Bangladesh must show they've learnt how to win?

The tri-nation Twenty20 series in Zimbabwe has little context, but for Bangladesh it holds much significance
Mohammad Isam


June 16, 2012
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>The tri-nation Twenty20 series involving South Africa, Bangladesh and hosts Zimbabwe is unglamorous, unofficial and a speck in an overcrowded international calendar. It doesn't add to international cricket's overall context in any way. However, for Bangladesh, it holds significance; Mushfiqur Rahim (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56029.html) will undoubtedly be hoping to pass one of his tougher tests since taking over the Bangladesh captaincy in September last year.
In his nine months in charge, Mushfiqur has seen more defeats than victories, but the wins he has been a part of in this period of have been dramatic. He won his first game in charge (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/531982.html), literally: with four required to win off the last two balls, Mushfiqur lashed West Indies' Ravi Rampaul for a six in front of a packed home crowd. He also engineered Bangladesh's celebrated win against India (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/535797.html) in the Asia Cup, before seeing his deputy, Mahmudullah, steer the team into the tournament's final in a tense chase against Sri Lanka (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/535799.html).
But these victories came out of nowhere, when the form-book listed the opposition as favourites and Bangladesh as the clear underdogs. As we all know, underdogs like being underdogs. They enjoy the spotlight better when it happens to fall on them all of a sudden.



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http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe-tri-series-2012/content/current/story/568573.html

Sohel
June 16, 2012, 05:33 AM
Interesting read but the short answer: "no".

You don't win enough games to adequately demonstrate you've "learned to win" with dead weight in your lineup and brain freezes on the ground no matter how great a leader you are in the locker room. That being said, I hope RP will intervene to rectify those issues and we'll SHOW that we've indeed learned to win sooner rather than later, InshAllah.

Kohli_Sox
June 16, 2012, 05:46 AM
Still a long way for us to legitimately claim that we have finally learnt the art of winning but having said that we are growing day by day no doubt

kalpurush
June 16, 2012, 05:47 AM
Well, this is an unofficial "practice" tri-series and world beater Ice Man is not even playing!

So, for me it's not must to win, rather I want to see the Anamul, Zia, Abul and others to shine including our dear Ash!! :)

Sohel
June 16, 2012, 05:48 AM
^+1 to that bro :flag:

simon
June 16, 2012, 05:52 AM
only time will tell.
this teatwenty series is not the best indicator as we r playing intrntnls after long time ,the format is different,the conditions are different, it will be a big challenge for us.
I think that in this series it will be good engh if we play good competitive cricket and our goal shou,d be atleast to be the runner up, I will call it a successful tour only then.
But the T20 cup will be the best series for us to prove wether we hv learnt to win or not.
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Equinox
June 16, 2012, 05:55 AM
We'll play in the final MMW :)

playmaker
June 16, 2012, 06:27 AM
I think the only way to go forward is by a "No-excuse policy". We can go forward and say, we dont have experience, we dont have this we dont have that. Lets stop giving these excuses regarding their problems, for Ive seen people doing work even with 1 hand(they dont have the other), or people travelling around with no feet. The point is, even with the disabilities we have to carry on, look forward and understand what really is needed. Our players may not be well talented, strongly built, born intelligent, but they have to give their best shot in trying to reach the same level as other teams.

And mind you, it will be tough to get into the finals, if we can pull it of, it will definitely go down as a good achievement, regardless of whether we win the finals or not

kalpurush
June 16, 2012, 06:52 AM
I think the only way to go forward is by a "No-excuse policy". We can go forward and say, we dont have experience, we dont have this we dont have that. Lets stop giving these excuses regarding their problems, for Ive seen people doing work even with 1 hand(they dont have the other), or people travelling around with no feet. The point is, even with the disabilities we have to carry on, look forward and understand what really is needed. Our players may not be well talented, strongly built, born intelligent, but they have to give their best shot in trying to reach the same level as other teams.

And mind you, it will be tough to get into the finals, if we can pull it of, it will definitely go down as a good achievement, regardless of whether we win the finals or not
Why not win the final?

playmaker
June 16, 2012, 07:09 AM
Why not win the final?

Winning the finals will be icing on the cake, but I will be satisfied if we can make it to the finals at the first place. Considering our performances in T20s, it wont be easy to go to the finals. We may be better than Zimbos in ODIs but T20 is different, and we shudnt forget how we suck in this format of the game. Keeping that in mind, winning 2-3 matches will be more than enough E-)

Tigers_eye
June 16, 2012, 12:14 PM
How much Shakib is worth? Can we win without him that is the real test in this series.

simon
June 16, 2012, 03:31 PM
We Bangladeshis and BC membors need to keep our feet on za ground, not that we all r flotting (spell)
Srilanka before coming to BD had a wonderful tri series in Aus, but lost all three games.
Now the Asia cup winner Pak is having hard time in Srilanka.
And we the first time Asia cup finalists are talking big, cant even easily accept the two Wup match defeats.
Yes we can say that we shld move forward from here but there will be ups and down.
So lets be patient.
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Rifat
June 16, 2012, 04:00 PM
We Bangladeshis and BC membors need to keep our feet on za ground, not that we all r flotting (spell)
Srilanka before coming to BD had a wonderful tri series in Aus, but lost all three games.
Now the Asia cup winner Pak is having hard time in Srilanka.
And we the first time Asia cup finalists are talking big, cant even easily accept the two Wup match defeats.
Yes we can say that we shld move forward from here but there will be ups and down.
So lets be patient.
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wonderfully put simon bhai :)


MS Dhoni said it best after losing to Bangladesh in Asia cup in the match ceremony(paraphrasing): The side that plays plays better cricket on a given day wins! Bangladesh played better cricket!

simon
June 16, 2012, 04:06 PM
wonderfully put simon bhai :)


MS Dhoni said it best after losing to Bangladesh in Asia cup in the match ceremony(paraphrasing): The side that plays plays better cricket on a given day wins! Bangladesh played better cricket!

thanks Rifat bhai, shetai.
ar apnake ekta request korte cheyechilam.
BD vs SA khelate apnar obhotar ta change korben kintu. :D
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WorldCup11
June 16, 2012, 04:31 PM
Yes we can say that we shld move forward from here but there will be ups and down.
So lets be patient.
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:up:

Team performances are like finalcial curves. Nothing goes straight up or nothing goes straight down :)

BD fans emotions are like digital signal , just goes either straight up or totally down, nothing in between :(

al Furqaan
June 16, 2012, 04:32 PM
:up:

Team performances are like finalcial curves. Nothing goes straight up or nothing goes straight down :)

BD fans emotions are like digital signal , just goes either straight up or totally down, nothing in between :(

spot on!

BANFAN
June 16, 2012, 05:58 PM
Will get some sort of answer by the end of T20 World Cup. It will be wrong to expect that they will win all the games after Asia cup and start making negative conclusions, every time they play and lose. We Need to give them reasonable time to display their abilities. I'm confident that they will do justice to their Asia cup performance in coming months and year.

TimAus
June 16, 2012, 09:48 PM
Bangladesh just need to keep playing good cricket. Bowl with discipline, field well and bat sensibly. If they can do that then the results will come, it is when they panic or relax their standards that everything goes wrong. This series will be a big test of that. I hope they can put together a professional performance.

CricketPagolChele
June 17, 2012, 10:34 PM
We'll play in the final MMW :)

marked.... final-e na gele " news has"...

playmaker
June 17, 2012, 11:40 PM
Inshallah ajke jitbo, 1 rune harleu amador man shomman jabe giye. I expect boys to play blinders but most importantly show some intent on winning. In the players were highly commited and that commitment made us so professional. And here we come in Zimb and lose 3 matches in a row and that too against Zimbos. Our players simply doesnt posess the body language to win matches.

when one zimb fielder misfielded they should dissappointment while others came to cheer him up. And our players didnt seem to be too much cooperative among each other and it still comes to mind how Mushy was yelling at nasir, or when tamim was halfway across the crease and zia admiring his mistimed shot

zinatf
June 17, 2012, 11:49 PM
Inshallah ajke jitbo, 1 rune harleu amador man shomman jabe giye. I expect boys to play blinders but most importantly show some intent on winning. In the players were highly commited and that commitment made us so professional. And here we come in Zimb and lose 3 matches in a row and that too against Zimbos. Our players simply doesnt posess the body language to win matches.

when one zimb fielder misfielded they should dissappointment while others came to cheer him up. And our players didnt seem to be too much cooperative among each other and it still comes to mind how Mushy was yelling at nasir, or when tamim was halfway across the crease and zia admiring his mistimed shot

PM! See I can understand that you are a very emotional fan. Please buck yourself up! Remember that, no one wants to lose....we feel bad when bd loses, but think about the cricketers, they feel even worse seeing that they are NOT winning for the country and most importantly, for us, the fans, the least we can do is support them, not criticise them always, and say things "ohh amader shob man ijjot jabe giye harle" I'm sure u'll try to think of it for a while and understand it...you'll be going to uni soon...you are pretty mature I believe ;)

"jaa baba! Onek boro bhashon diye fellam" :-p

max410
June 17, 2012, 11:53 PM
JUTS FIX THE MIDDLE ORDER no need to get emotional about the zimbabwe game if you see the games it was the middle order that failed nothing else..

kalpurush
June 18, 2012, 05:49 AM
Bangladesh does know how to lose a wining match!

Sohel
June 18, 2012, 07:02 AM
^That's right, we're actually more than good enough to teach that skill to everyone else.

shuziburo
June 18, 2012, 01:18 PM
kothata bandhiye rakha uchit.

:up:

Team performances are like finalcial curves. Nothing goes straight up or nothing goes straight down :)

BD fans emotions are like digital signal , just goes either straight up or totally down, nothing in between :(

TigerEz
June 18, 2012, 01:19 PM
whaooo havent seen u in here for a long time shuzib bhai......^^^

WorldCup11
June 19, 2012, 12:39 AM
spot on!

kothata bandhiye rakha uchit.

Thanks for liking my post. Yes kothatake digitally badhiye rakha zai by putting it on signature. I'll do it now :)

playmaker
June 19, 2012, 03:23 AM
Art of winning, well, our team needs to learn the art of winning from tough situations. That England WC match was a good example. Apart from that I CANT remember even once where we won from a losing situation.

The day we start winning from losing positions, we can be so much better

playmaker
June 19, 2012, 03:27 AM
PM! See I can understand that you are a very emotional fan. Please buck yourself up! Remember that, no one wants to lose....we feel bad when bd loses, but think about the cricketers, they feel even worse seeing that they are NOT winning for the country and most importantly, for us, the fans, the least we can do is support them, not criticise them always, and say things "ohh amader shob man ijjot jabe giye harle" I'm sure u'll try to think of it for a while and understand it...you'll be going to uni soon...you are pretty mature I believe ;)

"jaa baba! Onek boro bhashon diye fellam" :-p

well, I def. can understand how our players feel when they lose. But the issues is that our player keep on saying "Koto je koshto paise kemne bolbo". Our players should always be mentally prepared incase they lose, and to ensure that they dont lose they should work much much harder. If they really wanted to win so bad, then they should try to prepare themselves as well as they can B4 a single ball is bowled. Even after that our team may lose...but our players need to be mentally strong and always be prepared to fight back in the next match.

kiwibd
June 19, 2012, 04:22 AM
well, I def. can understand how our players feel when they lose. But the issues is that our player keep on saying "Koto je koshto paise kemne bolbo". Our players should always be mentally prepared incase they lose, and to ensure that they dont lose they should work much much harder. If they really wanted to win so bad, then they should try to prepare themselves as well as they can B4 a single ball is bowled. Even after that our team may lose...but our players need to be mentally strong and always be prepared to fight back in the next match.
mate the only person that needs to be mentally prepared is you. to prevent us all hearing your rants after the game, please mentally prepare yourself that , yes BD may lose today, they might fail to perform. Get mentally strong now so you can prepare to fight back and watch the next match and support them without throwing a tanty.

BANFAN
June 19, 2012, 04:53 AM
Art of winning, well, our team needs to learn the art of winning from tough situations. That England WC match was a good example. Apart from that I CANT remember even once where we won from a losing situation.

The day we start winning from losing positions, we can be so much better

Asia cup match Against India

playmaker
June 19, 2012, 05:16 AM
Asia cup match Against India

Id beg to disagree. We were never in a position to lose badly because tamim, jahurul and nasir held the batting lineup solidly.

Yes it was true that we had to score 33 from 3 overs, but nowadays thats no big deal and remember, we had wickets, inform batsman at the stage, and our opponents had Pathan, Kumar and ? to bowl.

In the final had we won we cudve said that we won from a losing position because our batsman struggled so much and not to mention the strenght of our oppoenents bowling attack. We had like 55 to score from 5 with batsman like riad and mushy, and then the tail. Mash's cameo really got us back into the game, regardless of what happened later on

Zeeshan
June 19, 2012, 07:14 PM
Good article. But winnings isn't everything. It's about TOTAL DOMINATION. Bangladesh being the minmina team that they are with their minmina goals were NEVER the TREND SETTERS. Whereas Sehwg, Watson, Amla make the game sexy, amader team konomote thaika khaia thakte parle baje. Arrrey, koidin er dunia. Ektu entertain tentertain korle ki hoy na? Eishob boring score kore, mediocre goal/win niye ashleo amar kichu ashe jay na.

Go out there to humiliate and intimidate opponents. If not, don't play cricket.

Kohli_Sox
June 19, 2012, 08:25 PM
Good article. But winnings isn't everything. It's about TOTAL DOMINATION. Bangladesh being the minmina team that they are with their minmina goals were NEVER the TREND SETTERS. Whereas Sehwg, Watson, Amla make the game sexy, amader team konomote thaika khaia thakte parle baje. Arrrey, koidin er dunia. Ektu entertain tentertain korle ki hoy na? Eishob boring score kore, mediocre goal/win niye ashleo amar kichu ashe jay na.

Go out there to humiliate and intimidate opponents. If not, don't play cricket.

Clive Lloyd's team, Steve Waugh's team or Ricky Ponting's team?

godzilla
June 19, 2012, 10:38 PM
the title should have been "Has Shakib and Tamim learned how to win" instead of Bangladesh. Let's face it, ASIA CUPS wins where mostly because of these 2. (Infact most matches won after Bashar era where because of these 2).

playmaker
June 20, 2012, 02:54 AM
my advice is to make it mandatory to spend at least 12 hours in the GYM a week.

Tigers_eye
June 20, 2012, 06:52 AM
no. Not without Shakib.

BANFAN
June 20, 2012, 04:17 PM
Id beg to disagree. We were never in a position to lose badly because tamim, jahurul and nasir held the batting lineup solidly.

Yes it was true that we had to score 33 from 3 overs, but nowadays thats no big deal and remember, we had wickets, inform batsman at the stage, and our opponents had Pathan, Kumar and ? to bowl.

In the final had we won we cudve said that we won from a losing position because our batsman struggled so much and not to mention the strenght of our oppoenents bowling attack. We had like 55 to score from 5 with batsman like riad and mushy, and then the tail. Mash's cameo really got us back into the game, regardless of what happened later on

Can you give one more example where we have done that? 55 from 5 ov? You must be kidding. It's Bangladesh we are talking about.

It was a complete losing position for us. Mushy played a miraculous innings to say the least.

playmaker
June 20, 2012, 11:39 PM
Can you give one more example where we have done that? 55 from 5 ov? You must be kidding. It's Bangladesh we are talking about.

It was a complete losing position for us. Mushy played a miraculous innings to say the least.

Well there arent too many example for BD but other teams have done it plenty of times. And we never needed 55 from 5, it was more like 46 from 30, then it came down to 34 from 18 and that Mushy cameo was not a miracle, it was simply some solid and nerveless striking from him and also some of the most crappy bowling performances.

In modern day cricket, if you think scoring 55 from 5 overs needs a miracle then you are wrong, infact, batting sides nowadays back themselves to get that much runs in the last few overs esp. after the outburst of T20 cricket

BANFAN
June 21, 2012, 01:19 AM
Well there arent too many example for BD but other teams have done it plenty of times. And we never needed 55 from 5, it was more like 46 from 30, then it came down to 34 from 18 and that Mushy cameo was not a miracle, it was simply some solid and nerveless striking from him and also some of the most crappy bowling performances.

In modern day cricket, if you think scoring 55 from 5 overs needs a miracle then you are wrong, infact, batting sides nowadays back themselves to get that much runs in the last few overs esp. after the outburst of T20 cricket

We Are talking about BD. Other teams have done many other things that we can't do even by a miracle at this point.

If we haven't done something like that before and we fail to do at present ... It was a miracle, he did it by chance.

simon
June 21, 2012, 09:49 AM
looks like we have specialized ourselves at chasing. ( although the target has to be not so big ,exception for Ind):)

zinatf
June 21, 2012, 09:55 AM
Will talk about it if we make it to the finals ;)