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al Furqaan
June 22, 2012, 08:10 PM
After the league phase is through...Sir is 1st amongst specialist bats in runs scored, 5th in average, and 7th in Strike Rate. 114-29-104.

Is it enough to warrant a spot? Yes, No, Don't Know?

SS
June 22, 2012, 08:25 PM
Abar jigai.....what he has to do more (dance with Momtaz song?)

Crisis
June 22, 2012, 08:39 PM
Ash can cement his spot in T20 and stay there. But, what the selectors should NOT do is to play him in ODIs and Tests. He no longer has a clue about how to play them :(

TigerEz
June 22, 2012, 09:03 PM
40 of 40 balls is way better than a :duck:......What we shouldn't do is put any sort of pressure on him to score more....so Guys i say take it easy on these Ash threads

Antora
June 22, 2012, 09:17 PM
The thing is, we are so used to criticising Ash that even when he plays reasonably well, we still blame him.

Overall I think this has been a great series for him. Sure he hasn't excatly made a whole heap of runs, but he did his part. That 40 he made yesturday was cruicial. I mean, we'd all love to see him carry us home, but at that time, with wickets in hand, I guess he did the right thing by hitting out and trying to go for that bonus point.

If he continues to play like this, he will deffinately cement his place in the T20 squad.
But Overall, well played Ash.


p.s. I accidently voted "i don't know yet" when I was supposed to vote "yes" :facepalm: -_-

Rubu
June 22, 2012, 09:30 PM
His biggest problem has always been playing rush shots, even when he is all set. He did just that each and every time. His out actually got us in trouble and jeopardized the outcome of the match when he could just play it cool and everything would have been fine.

He is still making the same mistakes he made 8 years ago.

Night_wolf
June 22, 2012, 09:37 PM
he is scoring runs thats matters..SR is little low but once he has more confidence he'll do good

unfortunately the above phrase goes for a normal person

SS
June 22, 2012, 09:40 PM
His biggest problem has always been playing rush shots, even when he is all set. He did just that each and every time. His out actually got us in trouble and jeopardized the outcome of the match when he could just play it cool and everything would have been fine.

He is still making the same mistakes he made 8 years ago.

Sir Ash will play like this rest of his cricket career ...

BengaliPagol
June 22, 2012, 09:46 PM
So who else is making runs in the team apart from Ashraful?

TigerEz
June 22, 2012, 09:49 PM
riyad, mushy, and shakib when he plays!! tamim sucks!! get him out

Tiger444
June 22, 2012, 10:00 PM
Ash is Ash in the end. He'll play baffling shots despite looking very good and throw away his wicket. That being said though, I've been pretty happy with him so far. Sure the SR's low but he's been pretty consistent which has been crucial for us since Tamim's been injured and then Jahurul, Junaid, and Anamul have all failed so far. So I've been happy with him. Since hes Ash in the end, I think he should just be in the T20 set up and stay away from ODIs and Tests.

Shadow_CLRJ
June 22, 2012, 10:09 PM
riyad, mushy, and shakib when he plays!! tamim sucks!! get him out

What's wrong with Tamim? He is simply the most capable batsman in our side (except Shakib). Plus, he is a sheer beauty. His place in the team, for me atleast, is beyond question.

TigerEz
June 22, 2012, 10:28 PM
No question about Tamim being Tamim....but for T20s, he's not perfect.....he's doesnt have the fitness to be in t20s....

Navo
June 22, 2012, 10:40 PM
From recent photos it looks like Tamim is starting to become a bit more fit but I am concerned about his ability to rotate the strike. If Ashraful and Tamim open for us in T20s then we will have a top 2 who are heavily reliant on boundaries and have difficulty rotating the strike. If either of them have a good day, then we will not notice but there is a high chance that they could get bogged down.

TigerEz
June 22, 2012, 10:46 PM
Thats the Problem!!!nicely said tho..........Wish Tamim was David Warener and Ash was Mahela Jayawardene :D.......hey! i have the right to dream!

kalpurush
June 22, 2012, 10:48 PM
His biggest problem has always been playing rush shots, even when he is all set. He did just that each and every time. His out actually got us in trouble and jeopardized the outcome of the match when he could just play it cool and everything would have been fine.

He is still making the same mistakes he made 8 years ago.
^^^ that's called consistency Rubu bhai!


J/K aside, I agree with you. He has all the shots but don't know which or when to use them - unfortunate indeed.

Sohel
June 22, 2012, 10:49 PM
I have no expectation of M:facepalm:tin except that I fully expect him to succumb to his own panoramic retardation, brainfart and then throw his wicket away.

The question really is whether he's putting runs on the board or not, and how? Being a T20 opener, he needs to maintain a strike rate appropriate for the power play but he won't do that. He'll do his own thing, namely execute premeditated blocks irrespective of the type of delivery, rotate the strike a little, play more gorgeous than streaky shots as long as he's there, and then throw his wicket away after scoring 30 odd runs. The likelihood of M:facepalm:tin sticking around long enough to have the opportunity to accelerate later and end the innings with a strike rate 120-150 isn't something anyone except M:facepalm:tin himself would bet on.

Now, that's far from ideal but what alternative do we have at the moment? Tamim has yet to find his way in this format, Imr:facepalm:oze will succumb to a shot with plenty of height and not enough distance after reaching double figures if that, and Bijauy has been a disappointment so far.

Kopa Shamsu ([বাংলা]কোপা সামসু[/বাংলা]) Zia is another goatlasher from a large stable of goatlashers who'll run out of luck real fast at the top of the order in international cricket. So I feel M:facepalm:tin has done enough to open with Tamim. Not a lot of choices really at this point.

Gowza
June 22, 2012, 10:53 PM
he's done well this tour but you also want your t20 openers to be able to carry on and play some longer innings, this means being able to knock the ball around long enough to get 70+ runs (even around the hundred mark on a good day and good pitch). i still wonder if ash is capable of that.

kalpurush
June 22, 2012, 10:56 PM
Sohel bhai is :facepalm: expert!!!

Zeeshan
June 22, 2012, 11:17 PM
Voted no. You have NEVER done enough EVEN if you have a Test average of 99.99. You can always improve your game, always stay at crease and always learn from mistakes.

Edit: Glossed over the "warrant a spot in team" part. In that case, I'd say yes. The full flow shot seemed to ooze confidence off him. He needs to work hard to get that form back, of unhindered confidence.

kalpurush
June 22, 2012, 11:21 PM
Voted no. You have NEVER done enough EVEN if you have a Test average of 99.99. You can always improve your game, always stay at crease and always learn from mistakes.
^^^ Top Ash fan!

KaaL-PurusH
June 22, 2012, 11:33 PM
^^^ that's called consistency Rubu bhai!


J/K aside, I agree with you. He has all the shots but don't know which or when to use them - unfortunate indeed.

Sounds like we are talking about Elephant..who doesnt know its true potential..I heard so..hehe

Jadukor
June 23, 2012, 12:14 AM
i think now that we have seen Ashraful for over a decade we are all certain about a few things:
i) he will never be able to play according to the situation
ii) he will always play adventurous shots
iii) he will always have brain farts

Knowing this we need to adjust our expectations of him as a batsman
i) we should not expect him to play with responsibility and carry the innings
ii) we should not expect him to close out games
iii) we should not expect him to safe guard his wicket if there is a collapse

If he is in the side hence we should expect him:
i) to play a lot of strokes and score at a fast pace
ii) score decent amount of runs at the top of the order
iii) build decent platforms with Tamim
iv) take pressure off of Tamim by not getting bogged down

I think in this series he has shown the potential to do what can be expected of him. We must accept Ashraful as he is... whether he is a flawed genius or a talented brain fart as long as he gets decent scores at the top of the order there are other players who can carry the team from there on.

Navo
June 23, 2012, 12:25 AM
^ Great post Jadukor bhai. I agree that we should adjust our expectations. Look at how Pakistanis have adjusted their expectations of Afridi...

Rabz
June 23, 2012, 12:42 AM
Ash has pretty much cemented his place in the T20 Opener slot, for the time being and for the World Cup in September.
He is the highest run scorer for Bangladesh in this series and has made some consistent contribution.
He is a man who is trying to find his feet back in the international arena and rebuilding his career which took a massive dip after Siddons took over.
Good to see him amongst runs.

Yes, he has done enough for now to be in the team.

shakibrulz
June 23, 2012, 01:10 AM
Okay-ish. He has done enough to be in the T20 squad. Should keep on playing aggressively, don't go back to tuk-tuk mode.

Naimul_Hd
June 23, 2012, 02:36 AM
Looking at the performance of our so called 'future ishtar' anamul, Zia, i tend to support for Ash now. Nai mama r cheye kana mama bhalo.

BD Rox
June 23, 2012, 02:51 AM
To me, Ash has fixed his place in the XI. He has done reasonably well. He just needs to consolidate from their, which he has been showing after every single match. Yesterday's knock was a sign of Ash getting back. He needs to continue in this role model.

cricheart
June 23, 2012, 02:57 AM
Oh boy! this is happening again. I'm worring how big the next dissapoint will be for Ash fans. Good news is we got only t20 matches ahead, where it seems he will proally able to keep his fans calm for the time being with his 30-40s in low SR and zero expectation to be match winner.
Still I'm very much looking forward for better show in bigger stages like coming official games & slpl. Who knows he may out-perform our other so called Stars in there.

BD Rox
June 23, 2012, 03:24 AM
Oh boy! this is happening again. I'm worring how big the next dissapoint will be for Ash fans. Good news is we got only t20 matches ahead, where it seems he will proally able to keep his fans calm for the time being with his 30-40s in low SR and zero expectation to be match winner.
Still I'm very much looking forward for better show in bigger stages like coming official games & slpl. Who knows he may out-perform our other so called Stars in there.

Don't worry, practice makes a man perfect(LOL). He's going to show off very soon.
:)

playmaker
June 23, 2012, 04:11 AM
Enough? Not yet.

So a 28 ball 22, a 31 ball 33, a 9 ball 19 and a 40 ball 40..this arent bad scores and considering the weakness of other batsman in this format id be forced to pick Ash any day. But the problem is such scores wont really mean he has done ENOUGH. He cudve done much much more than such scores. He couldve gotten couple of 50s, that wud be satisfactory

MSM B2C
June 23, 2012, 02:44 PM
For T20 Cricket, Sir ASH anyday! Any other Form, Big NO

BANFAN
June 23, 2012, 02:57 PM
Okay-ish. He has done enough to be in the T20 squad. Should keep on playing aggressively, don't go back to tuk-tuk mode.

He didn't go into that mode by choice...he was forced by his head master...And his nconsistency compelled him to swallow that pill... So he also shares the blame to some extent. hope he is moving towards the right direction now.

Wakidul
June 23, 2012, 05:57 PM
For T20 Cricket, Sir ASH anyday! Any other Form, Big NO

i second that. Atleast for the time being.

Wakidul
June 23, 2012, 05:59 PM
He didn't go into that mode by choice...he was forced by his head master...And his nconsistency compelled him to swallow that pill... So he also shares the blame to some extent. hope he is moving towards the right direction now.

Has pybus allowed his to play freely? I think for Ash its suits him to ahve a coach that does not interfere in his game. He has his own style of play. it's like me with revision... those flashcards, doing practice papers, revising with friends etc never work for me. All about the text book and memorizing through it. Sometimes, once u worked out your own style en u play with it, u get success.

Eshen
June 23, 2012, 06:23 PM
When other top order batsmen (including Tamim) look so miserable, then, yes, Ash has done plenty to cement his place in the T20 squad.