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TigerEz
July 11, 2012, 09:28 PM
What are our chances in this years mega show?
How much entertainment can our team give?
How long will we go before our team is demolished?

Positives:
- Subcontinent conditions. (this might not be a positive but Im gonna list it anyway)
- Shakib Al Awesome ( He alone makes us win 95% of a game)
- New found and Current T20 talents (Nasir, lala, riyad and Mushy)
- Ofcourse our spinners!!! especially in SL conditions.... and we'll also have Saqlain Mushtaq as our spin coach! :applause:


Negatives:
- Our batters being lazy and unresponsible.
- Our pacers!
- Team lacking spirit
- Poor team selection ( we know how crap our selectors can be sometimes)
- Tough Group fixtures

So please share your opinions!

Also, wanna give this guy some credit for giving me the ideas for this thread!
http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=285008

Zunaid
July 11, 2012, 09:38 PM
Are these your thoughts or did you copy it from somewhere?

Do you have stats to back up assertion #2?

Jadukor
July 11, 2012, 09:41 PM
I don't think our team lacks spirit... it would be wrong to say that after Asia Cup

Positives
We have the weakest team out of the top 8 in our group (NZ)
We have the confidence of Banglawash against them
We have the conditions in favor of our spinners as opposed to their pacers
We are getting a lot more preparation than last time
We have a much stronger team than last time

Negatives
-Pace bowling at the death still a worry
-Shafiul's form
-Batting at no. 7

TigerEz
July 11, 2012, 09:42 PM
I got the thoughts from somewhere else. And i didn't copy anything word to word this time. I swear.

Zunaid
July 11, 2012, 09:44 PM
I got the thoughts from somewhere else. And i didn't copy anything word to word this time. I swear.

Son - its still stealing. Try hard and think on your own. Now please back up assertion #2.

And edit your post to give credit to the guy you stole from.

TigerEz
July 11, 2012, 09:52 PM
Wait, what do you mean by back up assertion #2?

Jadukor
July 11, 2012, 09:58 PM
^^ it means to provide a breakdown of the numbers that leads to Shakib's 95% win rate
Don't sweat on it if you meant it as a "Kothar kotha"... just admit it before Dr. Z points you to your signature again lol

TigerEz
July 11, 2012, 10:14 PM
ya it was kothar kotha. The thing is that its kinda difficult for me to understand what Dr.Z says. Thnx Jadu bhai

Dhakablues
July 11, 2012, 10:23 PM
Honestly, this is the best team and preparation we have ever had for T20. All the key players are fit and are in form( even the backups are too), heck even Raqibul is back in form. Key 5 players are playing ( or visiting) in SLPL. Team motivation seems up unless we miserably lose the series in Ireland and to Scotland, Netherlands. For pacers, we have "Skinny" Mashrafee and prior to World Cup I think either Rummon, Raju or Rubel will make up the slot. I have no high hopes for Shafiul, seriously. For Sri Lankan condition, we will most likely field more spinners-- especially when we are going to be playing New Zealand in group stage.

Unless we beat NZ and Pak or get a higher RR, we will become D2 ( our ousted). And if we are D2, we will either play India. If we do win against Pak and NZ ( or get higher RR), we will be D1 and we play South Africa ( assuming they wont cope with Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka). Chances of us beating South Africa is pretty high in Sri Lankan condition. So we will get one win and then playing against Indies and Aussie, we can pull one off from the two...

Net net, our best chances to get to Semis depends on becoming group champions and be placed in Group 2 first otherwise, we will not make past Super eight due to playing with stronger teams ( India, Srilanka, West Indies/Australia.

jeesh
July 11, 2012, 11:09 PM
Hard to beat Pakistan, they are strong in T20 and now are getting familiar with the conditions.

New Zealand is vulnerable against spin any day-and LK wickets will produce turn and bounce. We have to take a chance with 3 specialist spinners- Shakib, Razzak and Elias Sunny. These three guys are likely to choke the Kiwi's, the rest of course is upto our batters.

F6_Turbo
July 12, 2012, 12:42 AM
What are our chances in this years mega show? Nada
How much entertainment can our team give? 6.5/10 - we'll suck, but it'll be fun
How long will we go before our team is demolished? we'll be out at the 1st time of asking

Positives:
- Subcontinent conditions - it also happens to be a positive for India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka...so hmmm
- Shakib Al Awesome ( He alone makes us win 95% of a game) - lot of pressure on him, we're gonna need others to stand up
- New found and Current T20 talents (Nasir, lala, riyad and Mushy) - Not sure Nasir is a T20 talent, still figuring out his game, and his rotation of strike is really poor.
- Ofcourse our spinners!!! especially in SL conditions.... and we'll also have Saqlain Mushtaq as our spin coach! - not sure Saqlain is going to bring visible improvements in such a short time, but hopefully he'll give them a few pointers all the same.


Negatives:
- Our batters being lazy and unresponsible - irresponsible, US Public school system :(
- Our pacers - medium pace might be the way to go here
- Team lacking spirit - where did this come from?
- Poor team selection ( we know how crap our selectors can be sometimes) - we barely have 15 competent cricketers in this country, we need to stop blaming the selectors
- Tough Group fixtures - good, it'll give us a better idea of where we are

BANFAN
July 12, 2012, 02:03 AM
It's possible to beat both NZ and Pak in T20, unless we try to beat ourselves...by casual performances..

BengaliPagol
July 12, 2012, 03:13 AM
Hopefully Saqlain was in his laboratory experimenting how to make a doosra for slow left armers. After he found out how to do it he decided he needs to teach someone how to bowl it so thats why he decided to be the spin coach of Bangladesh (so he could teach the doosra to Shakib and Razzak). Within a month from now Saqlain will teach the doosra to Shakib and Razzak and it will be near impossible to pick up by any batsmen. They start using the doosra during the T20 World Cup and bamboozle their way thru each team until they win the World Cup! Seems like the perfect plan to me.

cricheart
July 12, 2012, 06:07 AM
I'm not still sure how Srilankans will admits so many neutral matches there, I expect mostly to be empty grounds. In such so called "mega show" atmosphere tbh inexperienced teams like BD or associate nation like Afganistan playing in super eight is highly unexpected with opt out of bigger names. But due to it's limited over nature small teams got fair chance. I'll have a keen look on how lankans appear to support those unknown slpl teams. Still IMO BD batsmen can & will entertain the crowd and stunned the oponents. Except WIndies, BD wont let easy bet for any country to win against them. I expect to see SL-Ban in final (finger crossed). If this turns out to be another of those dissapointment tour, at least want to see they beat Pakistan & takes the Asia cup revenge.
BTW most of those assertions at OP aint correct in terms of +/- aspect.

Jadukor
July 12, 2012, 06:12 AM
Hopefully Saqlain was in his laboratory experimenting how to make a doosra for slow left armers. After he found out how to do it he decided he needs to teach someone how to bowl it so thats why he decided to be the spin coach of Bangladesh (so he could teach the doosra to Shakib and Razzak). Within a month from now Saqlain will teach the doosra to Shakib and Razzak and it will be near impossible to pick up by any batsmen. They start using the doosra during the T20 World Cup and bamboozle their way thru each team until they win the World Cup! Seems like the perfect plan to me.

If saqlain's doosras were that effective he would still be playing

I seriously hope we get good umpires and there is UDRS in the competition. Tired of decisions going against us at crucial times.

Naimul_Hd
July 12, 2012, 07:05 AM
Realistic: Our main target should be 'New Zealand' ! We have to win that match anyhow and hope that NZ beat Pakistan :) Otherwise can't see us going through to next round.

Optimistic: We can beat any team on our day. Moreover, its a T20, anything can happen. Both NZ and Pak team are vulnerable and unpredictable and the way our boys played in Asia Cup, i think boys will be charged up to put up a good show and win both the games. We are having a good practice matches and team is building up nicely. The weather and pitch condition will be in our favor.

Pessimistic: No chance. We suck at T20. We still don't know how to approach T20 game. We lack hard hitter who can take 8/9+ runs per over. Pakistan is a tournament favorite, they have 6-7 match winners, they will beat us easily. Our best chance will be against NZ, however, it will be a must win game for both teams (assuming both NZ and BD will lose to Pak) which will put mental pressure on us and our boys are not mentally strong enough to handle that pressure. So, eventually we will lose the game.

Jadukor
July 12, 2012, 08:43 AM
Realistic: Our main target should be 'New Zealand' ! We have to win that match anyhow and hope that NZ beat Pakistan :) Otherwise can't see us going through to next round.
.

Why should we hope NZ beats pakistan? Taile toh beparta run rate er hishabe chole jaabe

playmaker
July 12, 2012, 09:10 AM
no 'ifs' no 'butts' we should try to win both matches

AND HIGHLY important:

If we see we are in a very good condition in the first match we should try our best to Improve our NRR so that we really dont need to depend on others

Leafs PWN
July 12, 2012, 09:39 AM
Where does the "Lack of Spirit" argument come from? If there's one thing we always have, it's spirit.

I like being in the tough groups for these competitions. It helps us see where we really are, and it gives us some rare, and valuable experience. We mostly tour crappy teams :(

The fact that we generally seem to do well against big teams in these tourneys help as well ;)

NZ will be very beatable if our players stay calm, and patient.

Kabir
July 12, 2012, 10:01 AM
Tigers' chances in T20 WC? When were we really able to predict Tigers' chances in any major tournament? They always back a good show by an extremely poor one, and in conditions that are more familiar to them than anyone else.

And T20 is a hit or miss game. It has NOTHING to do with a team's talent. It can easily be a one man show, and you can easily lose a game that we were sure to win. Remember what Mike Hussey did to the pakistanis? So all we can do is stay positive, and hope for the best. At the very least, we'll all have some fun (and some pain).

My only hope - we should beat pak, it's a shame that we haven't been able to beat them in the last decade...been so close and gave away way too many matches in the end.

Naimul_Hd
July 12, 2012, 06:32 PM
Why should we hope NZ beats pakistan? Taile toh beparta run rate er hishabe chole jaabe

Yeah, my bad. It should have been other way around. Sorry, didn't pay enough attention what i was writing around 1 am. :)

BANFAN
July 12, 2012, 06:50 PM
I'm not still sure how Srilankans will admits so many neutral matches there, I expect mostly to be empty grounds. In such so called "mega show" atmosphere tbh inexperienced teams like BD or associate nation like Afganistan playing in super eight is highly unexpected with opt out of bigger names. But due to it's limited over nature small teams got fair chance. I'll have a keen look on how lankans appear to support those unknown slpl teams. Still IMO BD batsmen can & will entertain the crowd and stunned the oponents. Except WIndies, BD wont let easy bet for any country to win against them. I expect to see SL-Ban in final (finger crossed). If this turns out to be another of those dissapointment tour, at least want to see they beat Pakistan & takes the Asia cup revenge.
BTW most of those assertions at OP aint correct in terms of +/- aspect.

Most tickets released online have been sold. A small lot will be released on first August.
One good thing they have done is; low ticket costs for the low ranked teams. Bd Pak match lowest cost tickets are 40 cents. So there will be local crowd as well. They have also planned free tickets for school kids...

rinathq
July 12, 2012, 08:50 PM
Like others mentioned, to knock off the Kiwis, spin is the way to go. Shakib-Raj-Sunny-Riyad must bowl a total of at least 14-15 overs and than pray that our batsmen dont go through a major collapse.

Against Pakistan, its a lot more complicated. Bangladesh needs to score over 150-160 to stand in the game. Batting second, expect to chase around 170-180

Next round, well we reached our goal and now try to change up the XI if required and just go for it. I wont be surprised if some major teams come with a weaker squad. In that case, West Indies will be the biggest danger for everyone.

kiwibd
July 13, 2012, 01:38 AM
lol to counter the over the top optimism people are having... and the bashing the BD cricketers will receive if they fail to beat the so called ''easy beats'' NZ, i will say, if we play to our potential I will be happy no matter the results. I mean we absolutely suck at t20s... we are starting to improve due to playing more and more, but why are we expecting them to win? lol ''kiwis suck at playing spin'' we do not have a Sunil Narine, just bowling some spin at them and hoping they will capitulate is not the best way to go forward. PEACE (just countering the uncalled for optimism for this world cup)

deshprem
July 13, 2012, 03:09 AM
lol to counter the over the top optimism people are having... and the bashing the BD cricketers will receive if they fail to beat the so called ''easy beats'' NZ, i will say, if we play to our potential I will be happy no matter the results. I mean we absolutely suck at t20s... we are starting to improve due to playing more and more, but why are we expecting them to win? lol ''kiwis suck at playing spin'' we do not have a Sunil Narine, just bowling some spin at them and hoping they will capitulate is not the best way to go forward. PEACE (just countering the uncalled for optimism for this world cup)

we expect them to win (or atleast compete) because, in recent times, they have shown enough character and skill to win against big team (not that nzl is that big). as far as sports teams/individuals are concerned, expecting to win is progression in the right direction.

AbuDarda
July 13, 2012, 03:18 AM
lol to counter the over the top optimism people are having... and the bashing the BD cricketers will receive if they fail to beat the so called ''easy beats'' NZ, i will say, if we play to our potential I will be happy no matter the results. I mean we absolutely suck at t20s... we are starting to improve due to playing more and more, but why are we expecting them to win? lol ''kiwis suck at playing spin'' we do not have a Sunil Narine, just bowling some spin at them and hoping they will capitulate is not the best way to go forward. PEACE (just countering the uncalled for optimism for this world cup)

Who were banglawashed,bhai? seems you forgot it totally!

Jonathan2305
July 13, 2012, 03:19 AM
Hey lads, this should be a great series as long as the rain stays away- two evenly matched teams i have a feeling this will be really close :)

Does anyone know what's happening with broadcasts? I heard somewhere that a Bangladeshi/Indian broadcaster was in fact showing the games, but this was never confirmed? Cheers,

Jonathan

AbuDarda
July 13, 2012, 03:20 AM
Maybe we havn't sunil narain,but we have shakib al awsome! mind it!

kiwibd
July 13, 2012, 06:45 AM
Who were banglawashed,bhai? seems you forgot it totally!
wow bangladeshis sure like to mention the banglawash, do you think people belittle our cricket team by saying the numerous times we have been whitewashed? i guess in that case we should be losing to every big team because we have been whitewashed by them in the past... NZ have kiwiwashed us in every single series in NZ and twice in BD with another series where BD only won one game out of 5, so please do not use the ''banglawash'' line on me... because it seems ''you have forgot it totally''

AbuDarda
July 13, 2012, 07:19 AM
wow bangladeshis sure like to mention the banglawash, do you think people belittle our cricket team by saying the numerous times we have been whitewashed? i guess in that case we should be losing to every big team because we have been whitewashed by them in the past... NZ have kiwiwashed us in every single series in NZ and twice in BD with another series where BD only won one game out of 5, so please do not use the ''banglawash'' line on me... because it seems ''you have forgot it totally''

Keep away your valuable long lecture and think simple, if we can beat them by 4-0 margin in odi,why can't we beat them in a single t20??? no jhogra,please!

cricket_king
July 13, 2012, 09:01 AM
lol to counter the over the top optimism people are having... and the bashing the BD cricketers will receive if they fail to beat the so called ''easy beats'' NZ, i will say, if we play to our potential I will be happy no matter the results. I mean we absolutely suck at t20s... we are starting to improve due to playing more and more, but why are we expecting them to win? lol ''kiwis suck at playing spin'' we do not have a Sunil Narine, just bowling some spin at them and hoping they will capitulate is not the best way to go forward. PEACE (just countering the uncalled for optimism for this world cup)

Err...a spin line-up comprising of Shakib, Razzak, and to a lesser extent, Elias Sunny, hardly qualifies as "just some spin" bowling attack.

kiwibd
July 13, 2012, 09:26 AM
Err...a spin line-up comprising of Shakib, Razzak, and to a lesser extent, Elias Sunny, hardly qualifies as "just some spin" bowling attack.
if youre going misquote me, don't bother putting it in quotes buddy? i did not comment on our spin bowling attack, i just commented on the assumption people are making that the kiwis will automatically capitulate just because we have a good spin attack.

playmaker
July 13, 2012, 09:30 AM
i say we have 45% of winning against pakistan because their batting order looks as hopeless as that of ours. Yes they do have a strong bowling attack BUT remember, they are poor in the fielding department. So yeah, we still have a good chance against them.

And at the same time beating NZ will require some strong spin bowling. Some sharp turn and you wont even expect their batsman to see the ball. Just look at the recent tour to WI. Their batsman simply cant play in a slow and low track....so we def. have the edge. I dont expect anyone except guptill and williamson to an extent to milk our spinners for runs and not to mention that we should try our best to take advantage of Taylor's Mid-wicket slogging

kiwibd
July 13, 2012, 09:30 AM
Keep away your valuable long lecture and think simple, if we can beat them by 4-0 margin in odi,why can't we beat them in a single t20??? no jhogra,please!
ok buddy, i will think simple for you, since NZ and PAK have whitewashed BD they will surely beat us in a single t20??? why is it jhogra when im making a counter argument? what will be jhogra is when people will come on this website to attack the BD team if they lose to ''banglawashed kiwis''.

BANFAN
July 13, 2012, 09:35 AM
wow bangladeshis sure like to mention the banglawash, do you think people belittle our cricket team by saying the numerous times we have been whitewashed? i guess in that case we should be losing to every big team because we have been whitewashed by them in the past... NZ have kiwiwashed us in every single series in NZ and twice in BD with another series where BD only won one game out of 5, so please do not use the ''banglawash'' line on me... because it seems ''you have forgot it totally''

I do agree that people are overusing Banglawash... We had many such washes by them..

But the important aspect is that Bangla wash is the current status between these two teams and recent kiwi performance isn't that great... But surely we can't expect it to be a walkover against our spinners...we still have to play exceptionally well. No team likes to lose a WC match against lower ranked team. So expect tough competition...

But it's not impossible to beat NZ

BANFAN
July 13, 2012, 09:47 AM
Hey lads, this should be a great series as long as the rain stays away- two evenly matched teams i have a feeling this will be really close :)

Does anyone know what's happening with broadcasts? I heard somewhere that a Bangladeshi/Indian broadcaster was in fact showing the games, but this was never confirmed? Cheers,

Jonathan

Ya the Irish conditions makes it more interesting. It all depends on how quickly our boys can get set in that conditions. Let's see how it pans out. Hope to see you around during the series.

kiwibd
July 13, 2012, 09:48 AM
I do agree that people are overusing Banglawash... We had many such washes by them..

But the important aspect is that Bangla wash is the current status between these two teams and recent kiwi performance isn't that great... But surely we can't expect it to be a walkover against our spinners...we still have to play exceptionally well. No team likes to lose a WC match against lower ranked team. So expect tough competition...

But it's not impossible to beat NZ
oh yay someone intelligent for once :) don't get me wrong, i never said it will be a walkover for NZ, you misunderstood. I support BD 100% and want them to win, but im just saying its not going to be as easy as most people in this forum are making it out to be.

cricheart
July 13, 2012, 10:09 AM
IDK how you get irritated with BANGLAWASH, but I dont mind term 'kiwiwash' either, sounds sweet to me. :)

fush_montor
July 13, 2012, 11:40 AM
allah na koruk if something bad happens in this euro tour (given the alien condition & ireland's record against us); think where the team moral will be in T20 world cup..BCB deserves credit for arranging matches out of nowhere but this 'exam-preparation-in-a-foreign-syllabus' does have a high probability of backfiring.

i ain't no pessimist, but still...
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TigerEz
July 13, 2012, 11:42 AM
^^^ i agree bro....God forbid, but if something bad does happen, then we in deep trouble!

Dhakablues
July 13, 2012, 11:45 AM
Its about time we beat the Pakistanis and we do it better whenever there is a world-cup name attached to the tournament!! We did beat South Africa, Zimbabwe, West Indies in recent times.. no reason we can't beat Pakistan- especially in Sri Lanka!!

tiger_bright
July 14, 2012, 07:37 PM
we are going no where.

Rabz
July 14, 2012, 11:24 PM
Bangladesh's chances in this T20 World Cup ??
I think we will be the World Champions this time.
The boys will return home victorious !!

First, a win against New Zealand to get things started. (Assuming NZ will lose to Pak).
That is, 50% win is required.

2nd round:
If we are D2, we will play A1, B2, C1.
Most likely teams: India, West Indies, Sri Lanka/South Africa.

If we are D1, we will play : A2, B1, C2.
Most likely teams : England, Australia, Sri Lanka/South Africa.

Win 2 out of 3 games.
66% win margin.
This is T20 and all we need is a period of good 10 overs to win a game.
Differences are minimized the shorter the versions are.

If we can make it to the semis, I believe we will have what it takes to beat everyone on our way to become the Champion.

Easy, isn't it ??
InshAllah.

BANFAN
July 15, 2012, 02:58 PM
Bangladesh's chances in this T20 World Cup ??
I think we will be the World Champions this time.
The boys will return home victorious !!

First, a win against New Zealand to get things started. (Assuming NZ will lose to Pak).
That is, 50% win is required.

2nd round:
If we are D2, we will play A1, B2, C1.
Most likely teams: India, West Indies, Sri Lanka/South Africa.

If we are D1, we will play : A2, B1, C2.
Most likely teams : England, Australia, Sri Lanka/South Africa.

Win 2 out of 3 games.
66% win margin.
This is T20 and all we need is a period of good 10 overs to win a game.
Differences are minimized the shorter the versions are.

If we can make it to the semis, I believe we will have what it takes to beat everyone on our way to become the Champion.

Easy, isn't it ??
InshAllah.

:up: I'm 200 percent sure about it. I heard ICC has contacted Otobi already to write Bangladesh - 2012 on the cup. :)

zinatf
July 15, 2012, 10:53 PM
Bangladesh's chances in this T20 World Cup ??
I think we will be the World Champions this time.
The boys will return home victorious !!

First, a win against New Zealand to get things started. (Assuming NZ will lose to Pak).
That is, 50% win is required.

2nd round:
If we are D2, we will play A1, B2, C1.
Most likely teams: India, West Indies, Sri Lanka/South Africa.

If we are D1, we will play : A2, B1, C2.
Most likely teams : England, Australia, Sri Lanka/South Africa.

Win 2 out of 3 games.
66% win margin.
This is T20 and all we need is a period of good 10 overs to win a game.
Differences are minimized the shorter the versions are.

If we can make it to the semis, I believe we will have what it takes to beat everyone on our way to become the Champion.

Easy, isn't it ??
InshAllah.

Rabz bhai, Age Ireland to haruk.....:-p

deshimon
July 16, 2012, 02:53 PM
I hope BD will win 3-0 over Ireland.

Zeeshan
July 20, 2012, 04:51 PM
Cup or bust. (c) Tonnoy