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chinaman
March 15, 2004, 02:39 PM
Left-arm spinner Mohammad Rafique, who was flown back from Zimbabwe after being excluded from the squad, refrained from speaking to the press on the issue or otherwise, after a series of meeting with high officials of the Bangladesh Cricket Board on Monday.

Rafique reached the country at 8:00am and was received by two BCB officials who escorted him to the offices of BCB advisor and development committee chairman, Arafat Rahman.

Rafique later met BCB Chief Executive Officer Mackay Dudhia and left the cricket board premises at 2:00 pm to return home.

At home, Rafique declined to meet the journalists, however, his wife and children described him as very upset and frustrated.

His wife further informed that Rafique had said that he had done nothing wrong in Zimbabwe and was not responsible for any fiasco with his team-mates. “He told me that what the papers have said about him trying to attack captain Habibul Bashar was not true,” said his wife Shilpi and daughter Shila.

The family did not allow the press to meet Rafique as he was tired and sleeping. Later, when he woke up, he informed through some one else that speaking to the press may jeopardise his career.

Meanwhile, Rafique’s friends, neighbours and relatives refuted the idea that Rafique was guilty of misconduct in Zimbabwe.

“We want to know what could he have done that his team-mates did not allow him to stay only an extra night,” said aggrieved well-wishers.

“He is a man with an infectious smile who cannot hurt another fellow being. It is a conspiracy against a man who is currently the best player in the team,” said his friend Zillu.

“In Bangladesh, it is a common, to disrespect a senior player like him,” he added.

Meanwhile, the four-member BCB disciplinary committee headed by Mahmudur Rahaman is expected to begin inquiry within a week after the return of the Bangladesh team.

The disciplinary committee asked Rafique not to speak on the issue before the inquiry completes, said a source in the committee.

Source: NewAge (http://www.newagebd.com/spt.html)

pagol-chagol
March 15, 2004, 03:00 PM
The good news is: He is afraid about his career. Which means he isn't retiring from overwhelming emotion.

The bad: What kind of crazy conspiracy theory is he talking about? Even Whatmore has said he has never seen any cricketer act like him.

I think a lot of emotional people involuntarily block their memory after they make huge blunders and go into total denial. He is in there.

deshibhai
March 15, 2004, 03:13 PM
i agree--the good news is that he is concerned about his career and will not get all emotional and stop playing.

sometimes people get emotional and do stupid things. that is how this incident should be treated. whoever is found "responsible" should be reprimanded and the authorities and the press ought to make sure this incident does not blow up. rafique, bashar, and rana ought to embrace each other and declare themselves the best of buddies for life.

[Edited on 15-3-2004 by deshibhai]

Tokai
March 15, 2004, 03:29 PM
hi everyone, i just joined this site and find it quite good in quality.

about rafiq, i don't want to see him next to me, doesn't matter whatever he has done. i think bcb should leave it up to the players now so that they can treat it a family incidence where family guardians will decide what to do and seperation is never an option. let them get rid of all misunderstanding.

Hasib
March 15, 2004, 03:53 PM
It defenetly can't be as bad as what Shane Warne seem to do every year... and he is still playing...

pagol-chagol
March 15, 2004, 03:58 PM
lol :P

Ockey
March 15, 2004, 05:03 PM
“We want to know what could he have done that his team-mates did not allow him to stay only an extra night,” said aggrieved well-wishers.


Why send him home two days before the whole team was due back? The only answer I can think of is to send a message of censure and let the media and fans judge him even before he has any chance to explain himself. Why humiliate a national player by sending him home prematurely (just two days before he was due back home) and then be escorted out of the airport and have him report to the God fathers of BD cricket?

I would figure that from financial perspective it would be ludicrous to book a flight last minute on the same day.

BCB needs to realize that these players play at the highest level of the game and egos are bound to clash. Frankly, if I was Rafique I would have to say a thing or two to Basher about his inconsistent performance.

Also, what I would like to ask myself is did Rafique's behavior warrent his exclusion from the last ODI? From what I make of it, it seems to be a squabble between captain and a senior player who happens to be the leading wicket taker in the team. What could have possible have been said to warrent his exclusion. From the reports only words were exchanged! There were no fights, no prostitutes, no alcohol, no suspicious bookies. Basher certainly has a long way to prove that he has reached a pedestal where his peers can't argue with him.

Pundit
March 15, 2004, 05:11 PM
Basher certainly has a long way to prove that he has reached a pedestal where his peers can't argue with him.


A perfect ingredient for a row of rebellions. Just what we Bengalis are only good at !

Bashar is the cap'n and also the highest run-getter.

AsifTheManRahman
March 15, 2004, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by Ockey

“We want to know what could he have done that his team-mates did not allow him to stay only an extra night,” said aggrieved well-wishers.


Why send him home two days before the whole team was due back? The only answer I can think of is to send a message of censure and let the media and fans judge him even before he has any chance to explain himself. Why humiliate a national player by sending him home prematurely (just two days before he was due back home) and then be escorted out of the airport and have him report to the God fathers of BD cricket?

I would figure that from financial perspective it would be ludicrous to book a flight last minute on the same day.

BCB needs to realize that these players play at the highest level of the game and egos are bound to clash. Frankly, if I was Rafique I would have to say a thing or two to Basher about his inconsistent performance.

Also, what I would like to ask myself is did Rafique's behavior warrent his exclusion from the last ODI? From what I make of it, it seems to be a squabble between captain and a senior player who happens to be the leading wicket taker in the team. What could have possible have been said to warrent his exclusion. From the reports only words were exchanged! There were no fights, no prostitutes, no alcohol, no suspicious bookies. Basher certainly has a long way to prove that he has reached a pedestal where his peers can't argue with him.


Bashar is the captain as well as the highest run getter in BD. Even if he wasn't, it doesn't give Rafique the right to do what he has with Bashar; besides, Bashar was not the one who decided to send Rafique home - the coach and manager were also involved.

FaltuRidwanBhai
March 15, 2004, 10:38 PM
jaihok,
ghotonata kintu ottanto durbhaggojonok. asha kori rafique tini bhool shikar korben. hoito tini basharke tar protiddondi hishabe dekhen. ai jonno hoito tini monokhunno hote paren je bashar tar kache na giye price ar kache jan ranar jonno tips nite. rafique a akjon manush amaderi moton rokto mangshe gora. hoito rag tini dhore rakhte parenni. hoito akhon lojjai tini ta shikaro korte parchen na. tobe asha korbo rafique tar bhool shikar korbe ebong dole fire ashben. karon tini akhono onek door jete paren ebong dole tar onek proyojon. asha kori rafique bangladesher bhobishhot ar kotha chinta kore dole a shabhabik bhabe fire ashben. ebong ami asha korbo todonto report a ja prokash kora hobe ta niropekkho hobe. ebong asha korbo report onujayi jake ja korte bola hobe tara shai shob thik moto palon korben. karon akta team a kintu discipline khubi proyojon. dole jotoi bhalo player thakuk shomonnoy ebong discipline na thakle kintu shafollo kokhonoi ashte parbe na.

Ockey
March 16, 2004, 01:55 AM
AsifTheManRahman and FaltuRidwanBhai, do you have inside knowledge of what went down between Rafique and Basher, and as to the circumstances of Rafique's premature departure. If so please share.

My whole point is that an arguement (if media reports are in fact true) with the captain does not warrent being humiliated, let alone be expelled from the national team before an important game. And let's get real. If off-the-field decipline was a major factor in team performace then AUS and PAK would certainly be at the bottom of the barrel. And let's not even mention the Brazilian soccer team. These players are not playing in high-school or college. How you get along with your teammates should not be the determing factor in winning a game.

Overlooking inappropriate behavior of key players happens all the time in pro sports(even if it doesn't make it right) and, whether the "argument" was inappropriate or not, it should have happened here. Only Rafique happened to the BCB's favorite person to decipline.

Since everyone here is wise in judging why not I? If Basher was half the captain he should be, then he should have explicitly asked the team management to let Rafique stay, put aside his differences and insisted on Rafique playing in last ODI, knowing very well that he doesn't have a spare bowler who can fill in Rafique's shoes. At the very least he should have provided an alternate solution to the management and the coach's decision to fly Rafique back home, knowing very well that Rafique is likely return to the team in the near future. That would be the sign of a good captain -if you command the respect of your teammates then you should be ready to stick up for them, even when they are at odds with you.


[Edited on 16-3-2004 by Ockey]

AsifTheManRahman
March 16, 2004, 02:28 AM
OCKEY
Well, I never said that I had inside knowledge of what happened, so that I may conclude that you got that out of nowhere.
Then, I would like you to have a look at your own previous post. You have written that Rafique needed to point out to Bashar his recent prformance....now that was a really silly remark...all I said in reply to that was that Rafique does not have the right to misbehave with a person just because he is not performing well...
Then you have made remarks such as how u get along with your teammates does not determine the factor in winning a game...well, in reply to that, I would say that unless you take back what you said, everyone on this web site will know that you have no cricket knowledge...
Getting along with teammates is a major part of success...and this is the truth whether you want to accept it or not...
that is one of the reasons why BD did bad in the WC...
about your comments on the Aus and Brazilian team, i would like to say that just because they're indisciplined and get away with it doesnt mean that we have to follow their footsteps in this matter - there are many other ways we can do that...
Well, i accept your argument that the Aussies are one of the most indisciplined sides in the world...Dav's an Aussie and he himself said that he never saw such behaviour in the dressing room...
I dont know what happened out there in Zimbabwe but I sure do know that misbehaving with the captain is not acceptable, and in this case, Bashar took the correct decision in sending Rafiq home...it was for the good of the team...

Ashole amader desher problem ki janen Ockey? problemta hocche amra dosh korbo thiki kintu taar jonno shasti pete raji thakbo na....keu dosh korle aro dosh jon mile khora jukti dekhay taake defend korte jabo...

eta bondho na korle amader cricketer keno kono dikei kono unnoti hobe na...

asha kori sheta apni bujhen...



Dhonnobad

FaltuRidwanBhai
March 16, 2004, 01:05 PM
well ami kobio na shahittiko na ebong ami oi incident ar shomoy chilamo na. paper a ja lekse ami tai bollam. aita inside knowledge na outside knowledge sheta ami bolte parbo na. ofcourse rafique didnt do the right thing if he had actually done what the papers are saying. but who knows what the truth is. we can only know the truth after the inquiry. if it is true what he has done then he should apologize. aita doler ebong tar jonno mongol. tanahole kintu tar career ar jonno kharap ebong doler jonno to oboshhoi akta kharap khobor.

chinaman
March 17, 2004, 07:40 PM
Bangladesh spinner Mohammed Rafique will sit before a disciplinary committee of the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) today morning. Rafique, who was sent home by the team management from Zimbabwe prior to the Tigers' final one day international against the home side on Sunday reportedly for misbehaving with captain Habibul Bashar, will give his side of the story to a four-member committee at the BCB's management office in Gulshan.

The disciplinary panel is headed by National Board of Revenue (NBR) chairman Mahmudur Rahman. Former Bangladesh captain Roquibul Hassan, Managing Director of Janata Bank Murshidkuli Khan and Advocate Salam are the other members. The committee is also expected to hear from Tigers coach Dav Whatmore, captain Bashar, left-arm spinner Manzarul Islam Rana and computer analyst Nasir Ahmed Nasu.

On completion of the hearing, the committee would recommend possible disciplinary measures to the Board if the 34-year-old is found guilty of breaching the players' code of conduct.

Source: Daily Star >>> (http://www.thedailystar.net/2004/03/18/d40318040337.htm)

Ockey
March 21, 2004, 02:55 AM
AsifTheManRahman,

Isn't this is a funny forum. The "disciplinary panel" has decided that the Rafique incident was really a misunderstanding and overnight support has shifted to Rafique and now it is management to blame. If I am not mistaken, a few in this forum had been rather presumptious about the whole affair - Rafique was not allowed to play in the last ODI and was sent home immediatly hence he must be guilty as charged. It could be argued you were amoung this few?

Based on the New Age report, which doesn't seem to contradict any other reports that are floating out there, light hearted comments lead to some angry words which in turn lead to a heated argument. And that's all it was. No fights, no alcohol, no prostitutes, no bookies, and no gambling. Just a heated argument. Hmmm...didn't someone mention that a few days ago?

Also, my prediction about Bashar was right. He didn't stand up for his teammate and has wobbly legs. Based on his sole testamonial to team manager MA Latif, Rafique was sent back home. Hmmm..wonder what he said?

From New Age: "Later, manager MA Latif decided to send Rafique back based on the statements of captain Habibul Bashar."

Had wobbly-legs had some backbone he would have really not said anything to Latif or at the very least protested the decision to send Rafique home. A good leader would have tried to resolve the conflict with his teammate before whinning about it with his superiors. But wobbly-legs didn't and let his teammate be humiliated just so he can come out as the victor. How do I know this? A fair captain would never let his teammate fly home two days prematurely if he really felt the incident was a misunderstanding. But it turns out BD needs a "deciplinary panel" to let it's current captain know what is acceptable and what is a breach of the so called "code of conduct".

Then you have made remarks such as how u get along with your teammates does not determine the factor in winning a game...well, in reply to that, I would say that unless you take back what you said, everyone on this web site will know that you have no cricket knowledge...


LOL, what does my cricketing knowledge have anything with the simple fact that even if one does not get along with his/her teammates, co-workers, group members, etc., it is still possible for the group to succeed. One only has to work in a real life group situation to realize that simple fact.


that is one of the reasons why BD did bad in the WC...

Are you suggesting that the only reason BD lost to Canada in the WC was because the players didn't get along with each other or the captain? Well we just have to make sure we spank the players once a day and make sure they do get along. Suggestion: read the white paper on the WC failure if you havn't done so!

about your comments on the Aus and Brazilian team, i would like to say that just because they're indisciplined and get away with it doesnt mean that we have to follow their footsteps in this matter - there are many other ways we can do that...

I was not suggesting in any way that BD follow in their footsteps. Was just trying to point out that just because players don't follow a certain code of conduct or don't get along it doesn't mean doom and gloom for the entire team.

P.S.: please don't ask me to recant any statements I make on this forum unless I break some secret covenant.

[Edited on 21-3-2004 by Ockey]

rafiq
March 21, 2004, 05:05 AM
i hadn't checked the site for a few days, but you guys sound like you are doing a good job with turning this forum into a typical deshi forum full of points and counterpoints against each other - or had we been doing this all along and I just didn't notice?

all of this is too long to read, but hopefully the row between rafique and bashar will heal over time.

reinausagi
March 21, 2004, 07:23 PM
This wasn't Rafique's first temper flare-up. Cricinfo cited below:


"Rafique fined for outburst

Wisden Cricinfo staff

October 30, 2003



Mohammad Rafique has been fined half of his match fee for taunting England batsman Mark Butcher on the first day of the second Test at Chittagong.

Rafique was reprimanded by Wasim Raja, the match referee, after television replays showed him angrily pointing Butcher towards the pavilion after bowling him. "

Rubu
March 22, 2004, 05:46 PM
hopefully this whole crap is coming to an end without any big impact other than waht we already had.

BUT, i've a feeling that we'll never know what REALLy happend and what really goes on inside our national team.

billah
March 22, 2004, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by reinausagi
This wasn't Rafique's first temper flare-up. Cricinfo cited below:


"Rafique fined for outburst

Wisden Cricinfo staff

October 30, 2003



Mohammad Rafique has been fined half of his match fee for taunting England batsman Mark Butcher on the first day of the second Test at Chittagong.

Rafique was reprimanded by Wasim Raja, the match referee, after television replays showed him angrily pointing Butcher towards the pavilion after bowling him. "

That so-called outburst was nothing, really. Rafique, with a smiling face, pointed Mark Butcher to the pavilion. I saw a pic of it also. Action was taken simply because the English have serious control issues.:) I can hardly be called an outburst.

Navarene
March 22, 2004, 08:12 PM
sack the manager Latif and bring an ex cricketer in place of him(some one like Gazi Ashraf Lipu, for being an ex player who can handle with his team player's sentiment and emotion and guide them with prudent cricket knowledge).

Rubu
March 22, 2004, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by Navarene
sack the manager Latif and bring an ex cricketer in place of him(some one like Gazi Ashraf Lipu, for being an ex player who can handle with his team player's sentiment and emotion and guide them with prudent cricket knowledge).

i agree with u. navarene, u wanna make a pole about how many of us wants the sack of the manager and a former cricketer as manager. i'd like to add that, rajin is (more or less) the discovery of faruq ahmed. and it was possible because he was a cricketer. i'd also like to have someone of that sort as manager.

THE IDEA: lets make sujon the manager. it will solve ALL the problems. his team sprite is wellknown and it will really work as a manager. second, he can't play at the same time, so he'll honor the majority's will of retire. and, he had a quite good realtion with whatmore....

hell, i really like this idea. i'm gonna make a new thread now!!!!

chinaman
March 23, 2004, 03:15 PM
Bangladesh Cricket Board disciplinary committee interviewed BCB Chief Executive Mackay Dudhia on Tuesday for the incident regarding Mohammad Rafique.
Dudhia was the last man to face the committee before the committee submits their final report to the board president Ali Asghar. One of the members of disciplinary committee, Raquibul Hasan, said BCB may make the issue public through a press conference within the week.
An advisor at the BCB further hinted that the findings may disfavour Manager MA Latif who did not allow Mohammad Rafique a chance to defend himself before being sent back. The committee members however refused to comment on the issue.

NewAge Report on 03/24/04 (http://www.newagebd.com/spt.html)

FaltuRidwanBhai
March 23, 2004, 04:43 PM
oi manager nijere ki mone kore? aita ki military rule paise naki. ashole okeo ami dosh dite chai na. bechara sharajibon military te chilo. adat si pargayehe. ashole oh to ar cricket bisheshoggo na. dosh hochhe amader pura system ar. je jaita pare na take shaita korte dawa. jai hok i am very happy that rafique is not going to get any punishment. rafique rafique amar bhai tomar bhai rafique bhai shobar bhai. ar bashar akta ujbuk. ore dekhle mone hoi na akta doler captain. mone hoi akta ki..... allahai jane. kalker ajker kagoj paperta pore khub bhalo lagse khelar patata pore. rafique bechara loghu pape guru dondo tader mote. amaro kintu tai mone hoi. are bap bashar jokhon price ar kase ranake niye jai tokhon price nijai bolse je tomader moton team a ato bhalo spinner thakte amar kache ashcho keno. jaihok rafique dont worry we are with you. you are a great boler. we are sorry for the inconvience that you had to face because of some illogical and irreasonable decision. hope you bring more success for the bangladesh team. dannabad.