View Full Version : The Game of Pressure: Downfall Of Mohammad Ashraful & co

July 17, 2012, 10:01 AM
Winning the hearts of many Bangladeshi fans at a young age with supreme innings of great magnitude awakens the love of cricket in a country that is not recognised for producing great cricketers. The pressure that was put on Mohammad Ashraful due to the love and passion of Bangladeshi fans has downgraded a player that had great future ahead of him. In the past 10 years of Ashraful Cricket Career, I can not dare to say, that he was not under pressure from the moment he steps on the cricket crease to represent Bangladesh, country crazy in love with cricket.

The Main Question still remains unanswered: When Will Mohammad Ashraful learn to cope with Pressure?

July 17, 2012, 10:09 AM
Fell in love with cricket - 1997 ICC Trophy

When Will Mohammad Ashraful learn to cope with Pressure? - Never

July 17, 2012, 10:19 AM
1992 cricket WC. Before that, it was all baseball.

July 17, 2012, 10:21 AM
97 icc trophy
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July 17, 2012, 10:26 AM
1992 cricket WC. Before that, it was all baseball.

can you share any good moments in 1992 WC Cricket like how did Bangladesh Perform?

July 17, 2012, 10:27 AM
ICC Champions Trophy, I remember running in the streets throwing paints each other

July 17, 2012, 10:31 AM
can you share any good moments in 1992 WC Cricket like how did Bangladesh Perform?

BD didn't qualify for 92 WC. We played for the first time in 1999.

July 17, 2012, 11:06 AM
can you share any good moments in 1992 WC Cricket like how did Bangladesh Perform?

My sarcasm sensor is not working today. Did u ask this question for real?

July 17, 2012, 11:31 AM
Well the question was when I fell in love with cricket, not Bangladesh cricket and the poll options are a bit restrictive.

July 17, 2012, 11:40 AM
Are you serious MSM? Bangladesh got to qualify for '99 WC only after they won the ICC Trophy in '97....ahh still remember glimpses of it...the match wasn't being telecasted so maa and baban were listening to the entire match via the radio I was in the next room trying to study (well not actually :-p) and suddenly maa screams jite gesi!! And the next few days the city was engulfed with colours...even remember seeing Akram Khan & Co. from far near the national museum on top of a tuck with the trophy and the crowd gone berserk playing with colour.....ahh! Such a glorious day...I reckon it won't ever be the same even if we win the WC in future (Insha Allah)

And Sir Ash will NEVER learn to cope with pressure...it has been 11 years now...enough said!

July 17, 2012, 11:46 AM
my love began the day Michael "The Finisher" Bevan hit last ball 4 off great Ambrose to win the match in B&H world series 95/96

July 17, 2012, 12:35 PM
Well the question was when I fell in love with cricket, not Bangladesh cricket and the poll options are a bit restrictive.

I thought you would know, as my options were all from bangladesh:)

anyways, I was more concerned with the way our players deal with pressure, mainly Mohammad Ashraful. I just don't know why After 11years he is still struggling to cope with pressure?

July 17, 2012, 12:43 PM
Shakib Al Hasan thrives under pressure, Tamim Iqbal does fine under pressure (albeit not in T20s), so do Mushfiqur Rahim, Nasir Hossain and to a very small extent Mahmudullah Riyad. Nazmul is constantly under threat of getting benched for no reason and yet he performs every chance he gets. These are the winners in the team (OK, maybe Riyad doesn't quite deserve this accolade yet, but seems to be getting there).

What does that tell you about Ashraful? He'll never learn. He is incapable. Let's just hope that he scores a bit faster and becomes a T20 specialist. That's probably going to be the best use of his skills, but for that he must shed his selfish motives and start playing for the team. Even an SR between 120 and 130 on a regular basis will be good enough as an opener.

al Furqaan
July 17, 2012, 01:49 PM
Shakib and nasir thrive under pressure. Tamim caves under the weight of his own ego, much as I love him, that aspect I hate. Mushy also thrives as his recent match winning knocks have shown. Riyad it remains to be seen. Nazmul has done well and my Sylheti fua deserves every cap he gets now, but lets not kid ourselves...a 75 mph pacer can never be long term strike bowler. Yes he can win us some games but we need to keep his limitations in mind. Shakib/Nasir/Tamim/Mushy have only the limitations they create for themselves.

July 17, 2012, 01:55 PM
My first game i watched on tv live was WI vs BD back in 2002, Taposh Baisya Bowling to Gayle and next thing i see is CG bowled by Taposh in Bongobondu Stadium(maybe im wrong). Since then i started my bhalobasha with bd cricket:)

July 17, 2012, 02:10 PM
Nazmul has done well and my Sylheti fua deserves every cap he gets now, but lets not kid ourselves...a 75 mph pacer can never be long term strike bowler.
Ideally, he'd be a third pacer. But for that to happen, we'll need Rubel to be back and continue to improve and Mashrafe to shed his sissiness and man the heck up.

al Furqaan
July 18, 2012, 12:10 AM
Ideally, he'd be a third pacer. But for that to happen, we'll need Rubel to be back and continue to improve and Mashrafe to shed his sissiness and man the heck up.

Limited overs its fine...I think NZ back in the day had a bunch of dibbly-dobblers who brought success. But not everyone is Chaminda Vaas. Having said that, Nazmul is certainly our most deceptive pacer...doesn't get crazy swing or seam movement yet beats the bat more often than does Rubel and his reverse swingers.

Rubel and Shafiul still are in the early days...but I'm not getting too hopeful for either although I think Rubel has all the tools. Plus who knows who effective he'll be after his surgery. I'm already looking forward to the Al Amin's, Taskins, Abu Haiders, and Rabbis since the Rajib era has been a pretty Ashraful-esque disappointment.

July 18, 2012, 12:14 AM
I can't see the connection between poll question and thread topic.

July 18, 2012, 12:57 AM
I fell in love with cricket after watching Sir Viv live in England during the 70s. But REALLY fell in love with BANGLADESH cricket with Shakib's performance during the 2007 World Cup. Now the Baper Byata rant.

Both Shakib and Mit'hu thrive under pressure and from the looks of it even at this early stage, Nasir can too. So Shakib and Mit'hu are my Baper Byata numbers 1 and 2 with Nasir being the number 1 prospect.

Both Tamim and Riyad have the ability be Baper Byatas also. With Tamim it's a stamina-related fitness and focus issue, and with Riyad it is pretty much mostly mental.

Guys more than likely to totally crumble under pressure are Nazimuddin, Aumi, DaRok, Nayeem, Imroze and KaEdge in that order. They're more than likely to become sissies when being Baper Byatas is what is needed for the team and themselves.

M:facepalm:tin, Al:facepalm:k and :facepalm:ftab have psychosomatic as well as IQ issues beyond my comprehension and are thereby exempt from my rant.

al Furqaan
July 18, 2012, 01:22 AM
You know I just don't see Riyad as a talented player...Shakib too I don't classify as talent, but thats only because his style is so not pretty to watch...he's a supreme talent especially in how he plays within a picture perfect plan that only a genius could have concocted. But I would still have Riyad in my current Test XI, just not sure he can hold it down long term.

July 18, 2012, 01:40 AM
When it comes to batters, talent for me means:

1. Unusual natural ability (sighting the ball early, superior hand-eye coordination, instinctive awareness of match situations and subsequent adjustments in gear).

2. Unusual ability to learn from errors and apply that learning in the middle through consistent performances.

3. The Baper Byata desire to take a fight to the opposition's doorstep.

So, Shakib is easily THE most talented batter we've produced to date from my POV. He may not be easy on the eyes when he bats, but it is his talent and talent alone that makes him succeed a heck of a lot more often than when he fails.

Tamim, fabulously easy on the eyes, also has the talent but lack of stamina and subsequent loss of focus mitigate what he's capable of.

July 18, 2012, 02:27 AM
as long as the injury doesn't affect rubel too much i think he'll be a solid pacer for BD, definitely has all the tools and he was starting to come really good in ODIs so he was improving and learning and if he continues to do that he will become an effective bowler in tests as well. nazmul is ok for one-dayers but in tests it's hard to see him succeeding long term. we need to develop the abul's, al-amin's, rabbi's and babu's properly. we let a great talent in sajidul drop away into nothing, same with rajib, once a great talent now look at where his bowling is. shafiul needs to work on diversifying his tools, he just doesn't do enough with the ball, decent pace but it's just wicket to wicket, not much seam, not much swing, no extra special pace.

tamim is ok with pressure, but i think the big thing for him is competition, he's likes a battle with the opposition, something that gets him fire up but also i think if he has an opening partner that does well and starts to perform as much or more than himself then that will motivate him to do better and in that situation i'd back him to improve his game to and even higher level.

sunny coming through is a good thing, not just for a better bowling attack but it will probably motivate shakib to improve his bowling also.

99' world cup is when i took notice of BD cricket, and from there i followed BD's development eagerly.

July 18, 2012, 07:45 AM
In Bangladesh talent fades away really quickly. Has it got to do with the coaching or the competitiveness of the FC cricket, im not too sure. The Rajibs, Kapalis and Aftabs vanished. And this will continue to be a worry until we can fix the FC structure and the coaching in the grassroots level.

July 18, 2012, 08:14 AM
You can shoot me for this comment , but I find Ashraful the batsman equally if not more talented than Shakib or Tamim . Anyone who can thrash Harmisson , Flintoff , Zaheer , Ntini , Vaas , Bond , Fidel Edwards and Murali at their peak is seriously talented.

Great players like Tendulkar and Lara have talent , desire to work hard on their weaknesses and above all mental stability. Tendulkar makes sure the batsman bowls to his strength , demoralises bowlers with great shots and makes a mockery of captains setting fields to get him out.

The problem is , Ashraful has ONLY talent with zero mental ability . 5 years back the selectors thought he would mature with more games and age . Hence he was chosen for every ODI bangladesh played. Sadly it dint happen . With only talent at his disposal , Ashraful can actually make a name for himself in T20'S if he chooses to stick to his natural game.

July 18, 2012, 08:31 AM
I can't see the connection between poll question and thread topic.

true that

The polls ive seen in recent times have been weird

July 18, 2012, 08:48 AM
Fallen in love with Cricket - 1992 WC

Fallen in love with BD Cricket - Around 95/96, Abahoni vs Mohamedan Match. It was my first live match in Dhaka Stadium. I went with my father and younger bro. I still remember, we being Abahoni supporter, sat down in Mohamedan gallery (eastern) since Abahoni gallery (western) was full. However, my father forgot to tell us that we should not cheer for Abahoni as we were in wrong place. Lol. Anyway, When we entered the stadium, Nannu and Aminul were batting for Mohamedan, and at every single boundary, my bro and i were saying why they don't get out...Haha...people who were sitting with us realized that and told my father to get a place in safe area before something gets serious. Later, we somehow managed to sit in Abahoni gallery. Unfortunately, Abahoni lost that game. :(

July 18, 2012, 11:25 AM
I have starting following cricket in general since the world cup that Pakistan won and with Bangladesh cricket since Nairobi ICC trophy.

July 18, 2012, 11:44 AM
bangladesh cricket really influenced me from late 2006. it was during that time, bangladesh started to win.

al Furqaan
July 18, 2012, 12:25 PM
I never even heard of cricket until 1997 during a summer long trip to Dhaka...this was some weeks after the ICC Trophy championship win against Kenya. My first memory was the Independence Cup match where Vaas cleaned up Ganguly first ball. This was watched on the TV Ammark used to have in his dining room area. Some days later at my cousins house I watched a bit of Saeed Anwar's then record-setting 194 against India. Later I watched most of, if not all, of Bangladesh's games in the Asia Cup later that summer. I remember watching Athar's then record score of 82 v Pakistan. We scored a total of 210 that day, our first score past 200 in ODIs. That was just the 13th ODI Bangladesh played. I was quite into cricket that summer.

But I soon came back to the states and forgot about cricket. Nashville aquired the old Houston Oilers franchise the following fall, and my devotion reverted back to NBA and newly to the NFL.

I heard my father mention we beat Pakistan in the 1999 World Cup, and it wasn't until the next world cup in 2003 that I started to get addicted to cricket. For some reason I expected our team to be crappy but capable of pulling the occaisional upset here and there - basically where we're at now. Instead we lost to Canada and lost 4 wickets to Vass in the first over. But as much as we sucked it was the potential and plethora of talent that kept me glued to cricinfo and soon enough, to BC.

July 18, 2012, 02:52 PM
what did ashraful do wrong today vs Ireland?