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Zeeshan
July 22, 2012, 12:13 AM
I think yes. Stick with it through ICC T20 tournament. (Highest was Ash's stand 100ish with AFtab)

playmaker
July 22, 2012, 12:20 AM
NO

I think the issue is that far too many dot balls and lack of intent on making full toll of the powerplay overs

Both batsman need to hit over the infield, and for reference look at masakadza in the Tri series.

nahaz
July 22, 2012, 12:21 AM
I don't know how serious you are, but yes, I think the signs so far are good. Stick to Tamim-Ash for the T20 WC and beyond. Tamim seems the weaker link, but maybe he's warming up to it now.

ODIs are a different beast, but we can see when the next ODI comes. There is a musical chair going on between Junaid, Jahurul, Imrul and Anamul going on in the selectors' mind for no.2 and 3. That needs to be solved. Maybe Ash and Anamul, maybe some other combo.

But for T20:
Motin bhai ageiye cholo,
amra achi tomar shathe.
Dui Bangar Golapjan,
Ashraful mugor olankar...

Zeeshan
July 22, 2012, 12:28 AM
<table class="engineTable"><caption>Partnership list</caption> <thead> <tr class="headlinks"> <th class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Partners (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=partner s;partnership_wicketmax1=1;partnership_wicketval1= partnership_wicket;team=25;template=results;type=f ow;view=innings)</th> <th nowrap="nowrap">Wkt (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=fow_wic ket;partnership_wicketmax1=1;partnership_wicketval 1=partnership_wicket;team=25;template=results;type =fow;view=innings)</th> <th class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">Runshttp://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/blackArrowDown.gif (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=fow_sco re;orderbyad=reverse;partnership_wicketmax1=1;part nership_wicketval1=partnership_wicket;team=25;temp late=results;type=fow;view=innings)</th> <th nowrap="nowrap">Overs (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=fow_bal ls_faced;partnership_wicketmax1=1;partnership_wick etval1=partnership_wicket;team=25;template=results ;type=fow;view=innings)</th> <th nowrap="nowrap">RR (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=fow_run _rate;partnership_wicketmax1=1;partnership_wicketv al1=partnership_wicket;team=25;template=results;ty pe=fow;view=innings)</th> <th nowrap="nowrap">In (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=fow_in; partnership_wicketmax1=1;partnership_wicketval1=pa rtnership_wicket;team=25;template=results;type=fow ;view=innings)</th> <th nowrap="nowrap">Out (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=fow_out ;partnership_wicketmax1=1;partnership_wicketval1=p artnership_wicket;team=25;template=results;type=fo w;view=innings)</th> <th nowrap="nowrap">Inns (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=fow_inn ings_number;partnership_wicketmax1=1;partnership_w icketval1=partnership_wicket;team=25;template=resu lts;type=fow;view=innings)</th> <th nowrap="nowrap">
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</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Mohammad Ashraful (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55988.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">62</td> <td>9.2</td> <td>6.64</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/62</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v Ireland (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/29.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Belfast (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/58588.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">21 Jul 2012</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Nazimuddin (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56059.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">41</td> <td>5.4</td> <td>7.23</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/41</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v Pakistan (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/7.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Karachi (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/58956.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">20 Apr 2008</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Nazimuddin (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56059.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">40</td> <td>7.0</td> <td>5.71</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/40</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v Australia (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/2.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Cape Town (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/59068.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">16 Sep 2007</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Mohammad Ashraful (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55988.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">35</td> <td>5.0</td> <td>7.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/35</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v Ireland (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/29.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Belfast (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/58588.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">18 Jul 2012</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Junaid Siddique (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55946.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">25</td> <td>3.1</td> <td>7.89</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/25</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v South Africa (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/3.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Johannesburg (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/59120.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">5 Nov 2008</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Junaid Siddique (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55946.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">24</td> <td>2.3</td> <td>9.60</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/24</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v India (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/6.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Nottingham (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/57219.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">6 Jun 2009</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Imrul Kayes (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/280734.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">23</td> <td>3.3</td> <td>6.57</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/23</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v West Indies (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/4.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Dhaka (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/236761.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">11 Oct 2011</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Nazimuddin (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56059.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">22</td> <td>3.4</td> <td>6.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/22</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v Kenya (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/26.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Nairobi (Gym) (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/58661.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1 Sep 2007</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Nazimuddin (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56059.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">21</td> <td>2.5</td> <td>7.41</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/21</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v Pakistan (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/7.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Nairobi (Gym) (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/58661.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2 Sep 2007</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Mohammad Ashraful (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55988.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">18</td> <td>2.3</td> <td>7.20</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/18</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v New Zealand (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/5.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Hamilton (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/58831.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">3 Feb 2010</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Junaid Siddique (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55946.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">16</td> <td>2.5</td> <td>5.64</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/16</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v Pakistan (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/7.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Cape Town (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/59068.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">20 Sep 2007</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Junaid Siddique (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55946.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">15</td> <td>1.2</td> <td>11.25</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/15</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v Ireland (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/29.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Nottingham (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/57219.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">8 Jun 2009</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Junaid Siddique (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55946.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">12</td> <td>1.4</td> <td>7.20</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/12</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v West Indies (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/4.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Basseterre (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/59421.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2 Aug 2009</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Mohammad Ashraful (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55988.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">12</td> <td>3.3</td> <td>3.42</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/12</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v Ireland (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/29.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Belfast (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/58588.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">20 Jul 2012</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Nazimuddin (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56059.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">8</td> <td>1.1</td> <td>6.85</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/8</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v South Africa (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/3.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Cape Town (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/59068.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">15 Sep 2007</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Nazmus Sadat (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56061.html), Shahriar Nafees (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56153.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">4</td> <td>0.3</td> <td>8.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/4</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v Zimbabwe (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/9.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Khulna (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/56691.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">28 Nov 2006</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Imrul Kayes (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/280734.html), Mohammad Ashraful (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55988.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">4</td> <td>1.0</td> <td>4.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/4</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v Australia (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/2.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Bridgetown (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/59429.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">5 May 2010</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Imrul Kayes (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/280734.html), Naeem Islam (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56054.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">3</td> <td>1.4</td> <td>1.80</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/3</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v Pakistan (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/7.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Dhaka (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/236761.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">29 Nov 2011</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Nazimuddin (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56059.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">2</td> <td>1.1</td> <td>1.71</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/2</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v West Indies (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/4.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Johannesburg (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/59120.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">13 Sep 2007</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Nazimuddin (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56059.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">1</td> <td>0.5</td> <td>1.20</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/1</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v Sri Lanka (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/8.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Johannesburg (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/59120.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">18 Sep 2007</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left">Imrul Kayes (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/280734.html), Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td>1</td> <td class="padAst">1</td> <td>1.0</td> <td>1.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td>1/1</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">v Pakistan (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/team/7.html)</td> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Gros Islet (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/59518.html)</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1 May 2010</td> <td class="padDD">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif</td></tr></tbody></table>

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Night_wolf
July 22, 2012, 12:30 AM
at least on of them needs to play the anchor role while the other one blasts..we cant have two anchor openers in t20 at the same time

BengaliPagol
July 22, 2012, 12:36 AM
at least on of them needs to play the anchor role while the other one blasts..we cant have two anchor openers in t20 at the same time

True. I would say leave Ashraful as the anchor (since he is doing a decent job at it now) and let Tamim unleash. Make use of the powerplay overs.

And btw i think TamimAsh are our opening solution to T20s.

Sohel
July 22, 2012, 12:36 AM
In theory, yes. Provided (when either setting a target or chasing a big one, say 160+):

1) Both try to take advantage of the powerplay by trying to clear the ring with high percentage, well selected, non-premeditated shots. Possible because both sight quality deliveries extremely well and early. Try to rotate strike and find gaps if the bowling's that great. If none is available, focus on proper NOT jumpy, premeditated or downright awkward defense, and survive the spells by getting your eye-in and patiently waiting for good opportunities.

2) Both try to consolidate their respective innings through well executed strike rotation, and putting the loose deliveries away safely after the aforesaid powerplay, if their partnership manages to survive those overs.

3) Both switch gears if and when required by the match situation at hand. If one is playing a sheet-anchor, he must up the ante if his partner's getting bogged down and vice versa.

In other words, they need to be flexible while playing each ball according to its merit within the context of the match, rather than trying to execute a premeditated and stringent plan rendered increasingly implausible by what's actually happening in the middle.

Zeeshan
July 22, 2012, 12:44 AM
Just to let you all know it's our highest opening stand ever (1st wicket). A record today! :

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Zeeshan
July 22, 2012, 12:47 AM
In theory, yes. Provided (when either setting a target or chasing a big one, say 160+):

1) Both try to take advantage of the powerplay by trying to clear the ring with high percentage, well selected, non-premeditated shots. Possible because both sight quality deliveries extremely well and early. Try to rotate strike and try to gaps if the bowling's that great. If none is available, focus on proper, not jumpy, premeditated or downright awkward defense and survive the spells by getting your eye-in and patiently waiting for good opportunities.

2) Both try to consolidate their respective innings through well executed strike rotation, and putting the loose deliveries away safely after the aforesaid powerplay, if their partnership manages to survive those overs.

3) Both switch gears if and when required by the match situation at hand. If one is playing a sheet-anchor, he must up the ante if his partner's getting bogged down and vice versa.

In other words, they need to be flexible while playing each ball according to its merit within the context of the match, rather than trying to execute a premeditated and stringent plan rendered increasingly implausible by what's actually happening in the middle.

Great readable analysis. :notworthy:

Rabz
July 22, 2012, 01:04 AM
Yes, Ash-Tamim combo seems to be working for us.
They have been assuring in the past couple of series and more importantly, giving us a good solid start up the top which the later batsmen could exploit and pile up runs.

Jadukor
July 22, 2012, 01:51 AM
Not yet convinced. Too many dot deliveries during powerplay overs is the main concern. We haven't seen a flying start from them which may be required in high scoring chases. Ireland allowed us to get back into games but the stronger teams will press us on the mat if we start off with 3-4 runs per over in a t-20. Lets see how they go in the remaining matches in europe.

Zeeshan
July 22, 2012, 02:15 AM
Not yet convinced. Too many dot deliveries during powerplay overs is the main concern. We haven't seen a flying start from them which may be required in high scoring chases. Ireland allowed us to get back into games but the stronger teams will press us on the mat if we start off with 3-4 runs per over in a t-20. Lets see how they go in the remaining matches in europe.

Who would you (and others) would rather open with? Chaos?

crikss
July 22, 2012, 02:33 AM
Yes.. We should continue this combination

Jadukor
July 22, 2012, 02:35 AM
I like the left right combination so i would try Junaid for a couple of games. I am not his biggest fan but Junaid seems to time the ball well from the begining. He has an average of 26 and strikes it at nearly 160

shuziburo
July 22, 2012, 03:20 AM
Although Ash started the collapse, so far so good, but they need to move the score when boundaries are not coming. On four and 4 singles every over will get you 160.

Ajfar
July 22, 2012, 03:47 AM
I don't think so. Have you seen Tamim's T20 record. It took him 18 tries to get his highest score. It won't fly against better teams. We should have gave zunaed a game or two. Doesn't hurt to try out your options.

NoName
July 22, 2012, 04:12 AM
They take atleast 2 overs to settle in, as witnessed in this series where there were far too many dot balls in the first couple of overs. Though they then accelerate it well, albeit Ash's sr could be higher.

Sohel
July 22, 2012, 04:16 AM
I like the left right combination so i would try Junaid for a couple of games. I am not his biggest fan but Junaid seems to time the ball well from the begining. He has an average of 26 and strikes it at nearly 160

Junaid's a lefty, so I assume you're talking about benching Tamim. Not sure how wise that would be considering:

1. He's our best, most consistent opener by a mile. He's significantly better than any other opener in our history, on the current bench or in the pipeline. Tamim at his best is better than others at their best, period.

2. He hasn't played many T20 matches on account of his National Team duties. He was kept on the bench during the BPL as well as the IPL. Therefore, these practice matches are a good way for him to find his rhythm in this format. If the last match is an indication, I'd like to think he's beginning to find it.

I wouldn't bench him to try Junaid, Imrul or any other lefty to open for us.

I am somewhat skeptical about Ashraful but don't feel anyone will do sustainably better under the circumstances. I'd also like to see if Coach Pybus can get him to play right the way Ian Pont somewhat managed as Head Coach of DG. Again, if the last match is any indication, I'd like to think he's beginning to respond positively to Pybus.

Here's my detailed assessment from another thread.

One doesn't need to be rocket scientist to understand what has been M:facepalm:tin's strategy of late. He's being overly cautious not to throw away his wicket before scoring a certain number of runs, my guess is 30+ in all formats. He must think he has the confidence in his ability to accelerate later, and make up for the lowish SR brought upon by his tentative approach. Sadly, we have yet to see him actually accelerate when required by the match situation. Instead we see him blowing power plays, perhaps because he's scared ****less playing lofted shots over the ring for good reason, and creating added pressure on his partners with disastrous results.

A sheet-anchor is acutely aware of the match situation and rotates the strike accordingly while putting the bad delivery away. Tamim wasn't connecting jack yesterday. The commentary suggested quite a few swing-and-misses. Yet M:facepalm:tin didn't seem to try and alter his predetermined gameplan at all, and played his part in wasting a powerplay. Shakib and others tried to compensate by playing low percentage shots and got out. He also may have run someone out during his innings.

A sheet-anchor plays for his team first, not to preserve his troubled career at the highest level at the expense of his team. Nasir was the real sheet-anchor yesterday and accelerated when needed. He will hit out or get out when the time comes. Not wait to accelerate and then die waiting. That kind of overly cautious approach will give M:facepalm:tin 180 extra balls to wait-on in ODIs, but this is T20I.

Anyway, he has been putting runs on the board and I'm sure Coach Pybus has briefed him on what needs to be done differently for this briefest of formats with unique challenges and rhythms. Let us see if he delivers. I don't think the usual suspects will do any better than him. I don't think they can edge their way through the powerplay on more than just a few occasions. We need fresh blood here, and when they do get a shot, they must make 'em count.

shuridh
July 22, 2012, 04:19 AM
I don't think so. Have you seen Tamim's T20 record. It took him 18 tries to get his highest score. It won't fly against better teams. We should have gave zunaed a game or two. Doesn't hurt to try out your options.
what about mr. Matin who score at 80-90s/r.
I want to replace junaid with mr.matin.
Tamim deserves hundred time more chance than mr.matin who get so many chance.
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shakibrulz
July 22, 2012, 05:41 AM
No. I'm especially concerned about Tamim, what happened to him? Ideally I would prefer Jahirul to open, he can't do worse. Play Jahurul instead of Ash/Tamim in all the remaining matches.

Jadukor
July 22, 2012, 05:57 AM
Junaid's a lefty, so I assume you're talking about benching Tamim. Not sure how wise

There is no doubt about Tamim's talent or that he is our best opener. I wouldn't suggest trying anyone else if it was a Test match or an ODI, however T-20 is a different beast where a lot of successful and accomplished players have struggled to adapt. I just fear that Tamim's game simply might not be effective in this format just like Michael Clarke, Ponting, Ganguly etc.

Tamim has had 18 international outings with a poor average of 15 runs per innings and a strike rate of 92. His highest score in 18 chances was the 39 scored in the last game against an Irish attack. If we look at his T20 record apart from the international level then he has played 32 innings with a slightly better average of 20 but again with a poor strike rate of 105.35.

The stats simply show that Tamim even at his best might only be good enough for a sheet anchor role and not much else in the T-20 format.

Junaid while technically far more inferior to Tamim, has the gift of striking the ball cleanly from ball one and get the boundaries. I believe he could certainly give us the rapid start that we have been missing during the power plays.

One might argue Ash has played safe to keep his place during the last two series but there is no doubt about him having the range of strokes required to succeed at the T-20 level. His approach right now is negative but that could be changed by Pybus to be more like the attitude of BPL. He has played good knocks against the West indian, Sout African and Pakistani attacks in the past and his record is superior to Tamim's.
I think Ashraful is much better at rotating the strike than Tamim and hence would be a better choice in playing the sheet anchors role. Tamim scores lots of boundaries but his strike rate remains poor because he doesn't rotate the strike. I also feel Ash is a better player of spin than tamim (with Hafeez being in our group).

Having said all that... I do acknowledge that we are winning at the moment and trying out a different combination is ONLY suggested as an experiment to see the results and not as a solution.

cricheart
July 22, 2012, 06:16 AM
Yes they been most successful not to give oposition bowlers a early break, which had been a common concern for BD for long time. btw having alternatives of players like Junaid, Jahurul, Imrul and Anamul makes this 1,2,3 positions bit insecure and creating a healthy compitition among them. But TIK-Ash both of them seems secured there position in Nat squad atm. So I guess now they can play bit according to format's idology, and no more selfish innings will come. We still got a good depth of batting lineup to put some confidence with, so in WC I beleive this peer will fill up the expectation. IMO players would 've got more motivation to play for the best sake of the team, if official WC squad were announced before these preparation series begin.

Raynman
July 22, 2012, 07:07 AM
Before I get the Tamim lovers all riled up, I am not disputing his talent or record or position in Tests and ODIs.

But here is the concern in T20s.

SR of 92.25 : 125sr by the team gets you a 150 score. If your opener delivers less than 100, think of the pressure that puts on the line up to deliver. Especially if eating up 16.5 balls per match. Thats
15 runs in 3 power play overs. sure you'll have days like the 1st T20 of picking up a larget total but more often than not you'll struggle to 130-140 like the latter two games.

0 6's: 297 balls faced, no sixes.

HS 39 : in 18 matches as an opener !

Dot balls : Take away the 40 4's from the 297 deliveries faced, thats 114 runs in 257 balls !!!! Means lack of singles and rotation of strike. If his shots don't clear, then there is nothing for BD in that shot.

Other things that don't show up on the stats is the pressure put on the opening partner to seek strike and push the scoreboard and in turn everyone else down the order.

I personally think Junaid is well suited for this format and if he can undo the reigning in that has been done of him in the past few years, he can be the explosive start we need at the top.

Since Tamim will get a chance to prove himself at the SLPL, I would want to see Junaid/Ash tried out in the remaining 2 matches.

playmaker
July 22, 2012, 07:25 AM
I agree with Rayman

I think a SR below will not get your team to a good score and it also puts a lot of pressure on the others.

Most of you are saying: Oh we have batsman who will come in and have a blast. Batsman, what batsman? Its are is if you guys are talking about Dhoni, pollard, russel, morgan, Devilliers. But reality we have shakib, nasir, riad, mushy and this batsman are not batsman who can srsly thrash top quality bowlers so its important that the opening batsman make use of the PPs and make sure that there isnt too much pressure on those coming in.

M.H.Rubel
July 22, 2012, 07:31 AM
Well Tamim-Ash combination is so far best from our lot.So i am not thinking about any change.So far this is the most successful opening pair for us.There is right left combination as well. Still i am not happy with this. Tamim is under performed.Ash is shakey and not explosive.Still i am willing to continue this pair in a hope that both will regain confidence and will become explosive .

Sohel
July 22, 2012, 08:53 AM
I'm going to look at their form in the recently concluded Ireland series, and see if either one of them need to be benched in light of his performance in the series.

-Tamim Iqbal Khan: 31R/31B/100SR | 0/9B/0SR |39R/37B/105.4SR.

He was caught on all 3 occasions, playing shots he felt he needed to play. First match, it was a great catch from Mooney at long on falling backwards from Stirling's delivery @ 11.2 over with BD 94-1. Second match, he tried to break the shackles, mistimed Johnston's cleverly paced delivery high, and forced a diving catch over extra cover @ 3.3 over with BD 12-0. Third match, he tried to dominate Stirling with a premeditated shot and skyed it high to force a diving catch from Sorensen @ 10.4 over with BD 67-1.

He scored 70 runs, 36 of them or 51.4% from 9 boundaries (3-0-6).

Other than the nightmare 2nd match, he did reasonably well. He tried to utilize the powerplay with added pressure because of his tentative partner, and played impatiently in the first match. His dismissal in the 3rd match however, came out a desire to dominate and therefore take risks when it wasn't really necessary with Shakib at the other end. But he did put valuable runs on the board.

If I were his coach, I'd make sure the added pressure of being the hitter during powerplay mitigated by not assigning him that role, and by getting his partner to take equal responsibility. Now, something like that can only happen when both players are directed to see the ball, something both do extraordinarily well looking at the sheer time each has, and play according to its merit. They must not premeditate either singles or boundary strokes based on a personal plan, preconceived role or anxiety attack.

No way I will bench him based on a single failure brought upon by a dysfunctional strategy, be it personal or team directed. A player who hasn't had the benefit of playing really BPL or IPL needs time to find the unique rhythm demanded of opening batsmen in this format, and then create a functional and successful symbiosis with a partner he has never played with. Tamim plays throughout the tour.

I have more faith in him to find his rhythm in this format and succeed in creating a successful partnership with a hopefully willing partner, than rely on a player who hasn't rectified his atrocious front foot and bottom hand habits since debut for Mohamedan in domestic T20 5 years ago. Maybe he hasn't because he cannot. I am not at all sold on Jahurul. His technique can be even more atrocious, making his unlikely or fluke success even more unsustainable. I also feel that he is bound to crumble under any kind of pressure from either the match situation, or from the expectation of his coach, teammates, fans and perhaps even himself.

-Mohammad Ashraful Motin: 15R/13B/115.4SR | 38R/46B/82.6SR | 24R/25B/96SR.

He was bowled by Sorensen in the first match (ball coming in a little, attempted drive finding the inside edge and then the stumps @ 4.6 over with BD 35-0) and then caught in the last two from Sorensen (mistimed pull shot caught at square leg @ 16.1 over with BD 98-4) and Dockrell's (straight to long off @ 9.2 over with BD 62-0) deliveries.

He scored 77 runs, 32 of them or 41.6% on boundaries (2-2-4).

Looks like he got out trying to play a shot in order to accelerate and not scoring enough boundaries in the first two matches added extra pressure. The first match it was during an underutilized powerplay. The second match during the death overs. The third match after yet another underutilized powerplay.

He seems to be creating unnecessary pressure on himself and his team with his tentative play, and then trying to hit out of trouble with somewhat premeditated shots, mistiming them in the process. Other than Sorensen's gentle in-cutter that got him bowled, I don't see any particularly clever or troubling wicket ball here. The in-cutter too is debatable at this level.

He clearly needs to see the ball, something he does extraordinarily well looking at the sheer time he has, and play according to its merit. He must not premeditate either singles or boundary strokes based on a personal plan, preconceived role or anxiety attack.

If I were the coach, I'd talk to him about that and try to get him to do the right thing. I think Coach Pybus did that and that's why he was more aggressive during the powerplay in the 3rd match.

I won't bench him just to see how he responds to the coaching. He plays through the European tour. He hasn't done anything to deserve benching so that we may take chances with players lacking his ability.

Ajfar
July 22, 2012, 09:05 AM
Raynman bhai and Jadukor bhai summed it up pretty nicely. Just because Tamim is a much better batsman than junaid and has a pretty good test and odi record is not reason enough to keep playing him over and over again.in the 2nd ODI against Ireland he took 9 deliveries before getting out for duck. That's 1.5 overs of power play overs down the drain, not to mention he got out moronically by charging down the wicket. I don't think this one 39 innings when chasing 140 doesn't really change much. For all we know Junaid might fail worse than Tamim, but we won't know until we try him out. We need to try out the all the options available to us before the world cup is here.

simon
July 22, 2012, 09:17 AM
Very good topic.

I personaly believe this is a good combination,although I am very much convinced about Ash but a little less about TAmim, I always thought Junaid is a bettr option than Tamim in T20s but now that TI got some runs I would like to see him opening with Ash.
Positives and negatives about Ash-TI
positive: both shown consistency and once set can dominate any bowling attack.
Negative: strike rate for both these two is not enough for teatwenty.
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AsifTheManRahman
July 22, 2012, 09:24 AM
I wouldn't be too comfortable playing this opening pair in the World Cup. No matter what you say, an SR in the 80's or 90's against a team ranked #10 is unacceptable. A sheet anchor must score at at least > 115%. We will need to get scores in excess of 170/180 consistently to be able to win against the top sides and albeit not losing any wickets, 60/0 off 9 overs is a major hindrance to getting there.

We need to try out our reserves - give Zunaed and Jahirul chances in the next couple of games and then in the West Indies. Having said that, I think Pybus has his work cut out with two of the weakest links in our batting line up. The Tamim-Ashraful combo can still be salvaged, but for that to happen they need to cut down on the number of dots and learn to take advantage of the PP.

Sohel
July 22, 2012, 09:24 AM
I think Junaid can be tried as a powerhitter at 7. He has more variety in his strokemaking than Zia, and since Zia's not being used as a seamer anyway, why not see if can be an effective powerhitter capable of finishing the game?

Ajfar
July 22, 2012, 09:30 AM
^ you wanna drop Zia even though he is just starting to find his feet, as oppose to Tamim who took 18 chances to reach his high score in T20? Zia needs all the games he can get. Dropping him won't be the right approach.

Sohel
July 22, 2012, 09:36 AM
^Ajfar: Looking ahead to the T20I WC in Sri Lanka, I think Junaid can do what Zia can and more as far as powerhitting is concerned. Zia can be figured out very quickly by quality bowlers and the lack of variety in his strokeplay would result in failure. I don't think his powerhitting prowess is sustainable that way.

I've posted why I'd continue with Tamim AND Ashraful in post 26 and have nothing more to say about that :)

Equinox
July 22, 2012, 09:36 AM
I don't know if they are the solution or not but I do know that we can not afford starts like the ones we have seen throughout this series, which would leave the rest of the batting order with the task of accelerating, with added pressure, against the likes of Ajmal, Afridi, Gul, Hafeez and Vettori, and minus the advantage of PP.

simon
July 22, 2012, 09:36 AM
Why should we experiment so much when both these two are scoring consistently, even if they score slowly we have enough power hitters to follow,Sakib ,Ryad,Mushy ,Zia and now Nasir and Mash can take care of the run rate.
But I also believe its a matter of time Tamim and Ash cut loose.
And in Sub continent these two will be even more threatening.
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Jadukor
July 22, 2012, 09:38 AM
Dropping zia for junaid does not make sense to me. Zia has done every thing asked of him for a new comer in international cricket.

Throughout Siddons era he was afraid to try new players and different combinations. Because of that we never found the likes of nasir or zia. Law did some experiments and Pybus is doing so too and i think as a result we have a stronger group who are able to take charge at different times rather than relying on tamim and shakib all the time.

I would like to see us try Junaid - Ash and Jahirul -tamim combination just to see if we are missing out on anything.

simon
July 22, 2012, 09:41 AM
^Afjar: Looking ahead to the T20I WC in Sri Lanka, I think Junaid can do what Zia can and more as far as powerhitting is concerned. Zia can be figured out very quickly by quality bowlers and the lack of variety in his strokeplay would result in failure. I don't think his powerhitting prowess is sustainable that way.

I've posted why I'd continue with Tamim AND Ashraful in post 26 and have nothing more to say about that :)

That will be unfair to Zia.
He has done his job well so far.
So why fixing something which isnt broken?
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Sohel
July 22, 2012, 09:45 AM
BTW, I don't have a problem with trying Junaid or anyone at the opening slot, but feel he'll be destructive with his cameos. I also find it a little premature and possibly counterproductive to break the Tamim-Ashraful combination at this point for reasons I've posted already. I'd like to see them play out the series to see if they gel and fire they way their combined ability suggests. At the end of the day, I have more confidence in Tamim in my left-right combo than any other left-hander, but feel that a strokemaker like Junaid also has a place in the overall scheme of things :)

Sohel
July 22, 2012, 09:49 AM
That will be unfair to Zia.
He has done his job well so far.
So why fixing something which isnt broken?
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OK, then I suppose we should wait for him to fail a couple of more times. Though he may survive the lethal Scottish and Dutch attacks, I have my doubts when it comes to better quality having a look at his bend your knee and slog repertoire more than once. We'll see.

That being said, I want him and anyone in our national colors to succeed far beyond anyone's expectation. I just won't bet on him :)

Crisis
July 22, 2012, 10:27 AM
I want to see Ash playing for us. Unfortunately, I only want to see him in T20's. Thats where he seems to be very good.

jisaan
July 22, 2012, 10:38 AM
In his early days, tamim was a batsman without many strokes on the on side. now-a-days those claims seem almost unreal
don't see any reason, with a bit of confidence, why Zia won't be able to succeed in international cricket. if bowlers are smart enough to figure out his weaknesses, why won't he be able to add some more shots to his arsenal?
thing is, we should have the patience to let him develop to a perfect t20 option and let him develop into an end-over finisher in ODIs, too, where we've been suffering badly

Tigers_eye
July 22, 2012, 10:41 AM
Bhai shob,
20 over game 'a anchor role ki? We are so feable? ei odhom're kau ki bujhaben? problem koi bhujtey partasen?(Keiswetter).

Tigers_eye
July 22, 2012, 10:43 AM
Hopefully Notun coach is a better evaluator and not looking at the past but the future. Opponent'ra onek catch ar fielding practice koray practice session'a. Live game'a ar practice na korailey bhalo. Ar ball toka diaya runout? eita tho opponent're help koray ar partner'rey bash dei!!

frd
July 22, 2012, 11:06 AM
ash-tK openning stand is ok for lanka conditions .in those condition you cant go gaga at the top .someone has to play an anchor role( though many people may not agree this theory !)
let them keep the same team for the t20wc .may consider only abul for a change .

Jadukor
July 22, 2012, 11:12 AM
Hopefully Notun coach is a better evaluator and not looking at the past but the future. Opponent'ra onek catch ar fielding practice koray practice session'a. Live game'a ar practice na korailey bhalo. Ar ball toka diaya runout? eita tho opponent're help koray ar partner'rey bash dei!!

Kisui bujhlamna... :-/

Raynman
July 22, 2012, 12:38 PM
The only argument on behalf of Tamim seems to be that we shouldn't tinker with the winning combo but none showing why he should be there.

I would much rather be 120/5 after 15 with a shot at 160 rather than 95/1 struggling to make 140.

If Tamim is to stay, he needs to make the bowlers and fielders work. Just hitting occasional boundaries is not enough. Making the fielders chase the ball throughout by reducing dot balls goes a huge way in T20s.

betaar
July 23, 2012, 10:51 AM
Tamim is a hard headed batsman, it seems. He needs a partner who can make him play (according to the situation)…he’s got the shots and the power and the timing….all he’s lacking is how to adapt in this format…yes, even after 18 innings. But Ash isn’t the person to help Tamim in that regard, because he himself lacks the sense. Only players I see that can get the best out of Tamim is Shak and Mushy but unfortunately Tamim does not stay long enough to play with them for too long.
As I mentioned in another thread, Ash is a liability for the team. In T20 run a ball 50 does more bad than good….sets a negative tone. Not only Ash is eating up valuable balls he’s putting the pressure on the rest of the batting lineup. Players like Shak, Mushy are always under pressure to up the tempo and play rash shots to cover up for Ash and Tamim. And Sheet Anchor, what sheet anchor in T20? I know our batting lineup is vulnerable but fearing being bowled out in T20 is the last thing a T20 team should be worried about. Besides, Ash plays like sh!t while playing as a sheet anchor anyway…his whole batting seems so selfish that it makes the incoming batsmen negative.
But making a wholesome change is not the right option, so I think Tamim/Junaid is the best due that can be tried out. And left/right combo is not really necessary (but helpful); a quality bowler will know how to bowl to either. I would rather play with strength (our best 2 lefty batsmen) then go for the left-right combo just to make the opponent bowlers struggle with the line.
I also agree with giving Zia more chances. It’s true his style is very easy to figure out as a bowler but he can be a good asset since he also bowls. But he needs to be groomed well by Pybus if he is persisted with.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img src=" /><o:p></o:p>

shuziburo
July 23, 2012, 11:22 AM
In theory, yes. Provided (when either setting a target or chasing a big one, say 160+):

1) Both try to take advantage of the powerplay by trying to clear the ring with high percentage, well selected, non-premeditated shots. Possible because both sight quality deliveries extremely well and early. Try to rotate strike and find gaps if the bowling's that great. If none is available, focus on proper NOT jumpy, premeditated or downright awkward defense, and survive the spells by getting your eye-in and patiently waiting for good opportunities.

2) Both try to consolidate their respective innings through well executed strike rotation, and putting the loose deliveries away safely after the aforesaid powerplay, if their partnership manages to survive those overs.

3) Both switch gears if and when required by the match situation at hand. If one is playing a sheet-anchor, he must up the ante if his partner's getting bogged down and vice versa.

In other words, they need to be flexible while playing each ball according to its merit within the context of the match, rather than trying to execute a premeditated and stringent plan rendered increasingly implausible by what's actually happening in the middle.

Can they do it consistently? They have done well in T20 so far, but premeditation and failure to rotate strike has been a consistent theme.

BANFAN
July 23, 2012, 11:34 AM
I feel the new coach has assessed the team pretty well, so he assigned the kind of role Ash is playing. I'm pretty sure this pair will do pretty well in opening all forms of the game. Let them have their time playing together.

shuziburo
July 23, 2012, 11:39 AM
Junaid also has his limitations and I am not at all convinced of his ability to hit a SIX on demand. I want to see what Zia does once the bowlers had a chance to scout him extensively. Let's not assume that he would not be able to adapt.
For now, I also am willing to stay with Tamim and Ash, but am going to keep all my options open.

^Ajfar: Looking ahead to the T20I WC in Sri Lanka, I think Junaid can do what Zia can and more as far as powerhitting is concerned. Zia can be figured out very quickly by quality bowlers and the lack of variety in his strokeplay would result in failure. I don't think his powerhitting prowess is sustainable that way.

I've posted why I'd continue with Tamim AND Ashraful in post 26 and have nothing more to say about that :)

shuziburo
July 23, 2012, 11:47 AM
Junaid is a very consistent batsman. He averages about 25 in all formats of the game. That is why I don't have a lot of faith in him. But, his T20 SR of 159.52 is good.

BTW, I don't have a problem with trying Junaid or anyone at the opening slot, but feel he'll be destructive with his cameos. I also find it a little premature at this point and possibly counterproductive to break the Tamim-Ashraful combination at this point for reasons I've posted already. I'd like to see them play out the series to see if they gel and fire they way their combined ability suggests. At the end of the day, I have more confidence in Tamim in my left-right combo than any other left-hander, but feel that a strokemaker like Junaid also has a place in the overall scheme of things :)

BengaliPagol
July 23, 2012, 02:54 PM
But, his T20 SR of 159.52 is good.

Its not just a 'good' SR. Its an unbelievable SR.

Maysun
July 23, 2012, 05:17 PM
Tamim was at his best when he played alongside IK, you get the gist. :-|

But I honestly think Pybus has a role here for Ashraful and Tamim i.e., not to lose wickets within the PP, that's what I thought from the three T20's we played so far. These two batsmen are naturally aggressive, it's in them to play compulsive shots. But we see them leaving balls and taking the singles and not take too much risk.

Gowza
July 23, 2012, 05:22 PM
not the best opening partnership it has to be said, but perhaps for t20s, it is the best we can come up with for now....thing is neither ash nor tamim have made to many big scores in t20s, openers need to have the ability to go on with it and make a big score imo. possibly the best we can come up with atm but hopefully they up their games because it's still not good enough.

Dhakablues
July 23, 2012, 05:30 PM
I feel the new coach has assessed the team pretty well, so he assigned the kind of role Ash is playing. I'm pretty sure this pair will do pretty well in opening all forms of the game. Let them have their time playing together.

Atleast, we do save Ashraful's life from Tamims hand that way...:)

Jadukor
July 23, 2012, 10:56 PM
Tamim was at his best when he played alongside IK, you get the gist. :-|

But I honestly think Pybus has a role here for Ashraful and Tamim i.e., not to lose wickets within the PP, that's what I thought from the three T20's we played so far. These two batsmen are naturally aggressive, it's in them to play compulsive shots. But we see them leaving balls and taking the singles and not take too much risk.

I think you are right here. I would like to see how these two respond to a 180 runs chase

Ajfar
July 23, 2012, 11:37 PM
I think you guys are giving Pybus way too much credit on opening with Ashraful. It was Ponts idea to make him open in BPL and it worked. Selectors/managements probably filled him in after he came in so he stuck to it.

Gowza
July 23, 2012, 11:40 PM
I think you guys are giving Pybus way too much credit on opening with Ashraful. It was Ponts idea to make him open in BPL and it worked. Selectors/managements probably filled him in after he came in so he stuck to it.

i think ashraful's last chance to have a long term spot in the national team is as a t20I and ODI opener, in the dilshan fashion.

shakibrulz
July 24, 2012, 01:31 AM
OK, then I suppose we should wait for him to fail a couple of more times. Though he may survive the lethal Scottish and Dutch attacks, I have my doubts when it comes to better quality having a look at his bend your knee and slog repertoire more than once. We'll see.

That being said, I want him and anyone in our national colors to succeed far beyond anyone's expectation. I just won't bet on him :)
I guess you're being a bit underwhelmed by Zia since he's a flat foot slogger - which is understandable. However, IMO, he isn't there for consistency, he's there to propel during the death overs - which he is doing alright IMO. Just like what people like Pollard or even Sammy (minus the bowling) does in WI - hardly consistent, but he's persisted with. In future, when Sabbir or Milon is groomed into the side, you could make a case for his expulsion, but at the moment, he should be there just for fulfilling his role as a big hitter.

Dilscoop
July 24, 2012, 01:44 AM
It's obvious NR has a soft spot for that pretty guy with green eyes. Though Zia shouldn't be his competition. We need a big guy with muscle power in our team. I'm tired of seeing guys like kecha Naeem, miska Shuvo, chikna Shafiul. Good thing Nasir performs or else he would've been the first guy on my list, followed by Sabbir.

Also that inning in Asian Cup or w/e vs Afg spinners doesn't qualify him to be a "future closer."

Nadim
July 24, 2012, 12:03 PM
Both Sux!!!

I will rather have jodu modu kodu :sick: can't do any worse :sick:

Habib
July 24, 2012, 01:19 PM
I don't know but our opening partnerships over this series have been a bit underwhelming so far. Junaid could be tried in place of one of the openers in the remaining two matches but I doubt whether team management is looking for any change there. If only Mushy and Riyad weren't out of form, we could've afforded the slowish starts.

NoName
July 24, 2012, 01:38 PM
They both throw away their wickets needlessly if they get settled and start scoring.

mij
July 24, 2012, 01:39 PM
Tamim should stop playing T20 he is useless in this format

oronnya
July 24, 2012, 02:33 PM
BD ek odvut desh.. ekhane economics er kono theory khate na .. cricket e kono solution kaaj kore na... amader ashole kono solution nei.. Tamim-Ash er jaigai kake anbe r tarao to 2 match pore abar Tamim-Ash hobe.. to emon choltei thakbe..

Ajfar
July 24, 2012, 02:51 PM
After playing International cricket for 5 years, Tamim still goes doen the wicket to swing his bat when he can't pick up boundaries. Even if Junaid bats worse than him he should play the next 2 games, tamim needs to learn a lesson, you have to pay for your actions.

BANFAN
July 24, 2012, 04:43 PM
Both Sux!!!

I will rather have jodu modu kodu :sick: can't do any worse :sick:

And then you have to probably replace s with f ... ...:)

Can we not have some patience? When I talk about patience, it's not one or two series, it's a year or two or even more. Follow the upcoming teams... They spend decades creating cricketers... We behave as if we are Aus ... That every morning we ask for dropping players...without realizing that whoever will replaces them is likely to be even worse...sticking to a core team is what we have to do, if we like to improve as a team...

Dilscoop
July 25, 2012, 11:54 AM
Ash's voodoo on Tamim is broken up finally! Tamim may be a attacking batsman but he can't go in and start playing strokes. He takes his time. Good thing he hang around today. Or that 30 from 30 would've been a disaster. That's why Big-J is his perfect partner in shorter format. He can take some pressure of off Tamim. Ash hogs up all the overs.

z777
July 25, 2012, 11:55 AM
Ash's voodoo on Tamim is broken up finally!

Ki jata bolen! Emon superstitious hole chole naki!
Kufa bole kisu nai! :-/

Tiger444
July 25, 2012, 11:59 AM
Nothing against Ash but him and Tamim both take their time to settle in and in the process the run rate slows down. I wouldn't mind if he converted his big starts but he rarely does. So I think it's better to have Junaid who can provide the big hitting that we need up at the top while Tamim can settle in to his zone. Tamim's a lot better then Ash in converting the big scores which is why he should stay and plus he is our best batsman in all 3 forms of the game.

z777
July 25, 2012, 12:03 PM
Nothing against Ash but him and Tamim both take their time to settle in and in the process the run rate slows down. I wouldn't mind if he converted his big starts but he rarely does. So I think it's better to have Junaid who can provide the big hitting that we need up at the top while Tamim can settle in to his zone. Tamim's a lot better then Ash in converting the big scores which is why he should stay and plus he is our best batsman in all 3 forms of the game.

Shakib and Mushy are the best in 3 and 4 in T20.
For other formats time will say who is better.

Tiger444
July 25, 2012, 12:10 PM
Shakib and Mushy are the best in 3 and 4 in T20.
For other formats time will say who is better.

Agreed. I think the lineup we had today is the best we can come up with. It has plenty of explosion.

AsifTheManRahman
July 25, 2012, 12:15 PM
Junaid didn't look completely in control of his shots today, but what I liked about his inning was that it lacked selfishness. He was jittery in the beginning, then threw his wicket away, but at least showed intent. He needs to convert more often, these customary 20's aren't going to do him any good. However, a quickfire 20/30 can often be more valuable than a 50 at a 90 S/R. At least you're scoring some quick runs and getting out to make way for someone else instead of hogging one end and getting the team to a situation where everyone feels the pressure and needs to hit out or get out. When Junaid got out today, we were 45-1 after 6.2 overs, which is still much better than, say, being at 98 after 16, with one man having scored 38. So give Junaid a few more chances and *whip* him in the dressing room so he doesn't throw his wicket away.

As for the "anchor" role, Tamim's inning today was exemplary and he needs to keep doing this. He started slow and looked uncomfortable at times, but then accelerated near the end and played himself back to form. A good anchor doesn't just score a run-a-ball 40 and then get out, leaving the rest of the batsmen an insurmountable pile of runs to topple. When you've done the hard work of lasting 45 balls and have your eyes in, you need to take ownership of the situation and open up. Leaving the team at 98-6 after 16 is a crime.

Tiger444
July 25, 2012, 12:23 PM
Junaid didn't look completely in control of his shots today, but what I liked about his inning was that it lacked selfishness. He was jittery in the beginning, then threw his wicket away, but at least showed intent. He needs to convert more often, these customary 20's aren't going to do him any good. However, a quickfire 20/30 can often be more valuable than a 50 at a 90 S/R. At least you're scoring some quick runs and getting out to make way for someone else instead of hogging one end and getting the team to a situation where everyone feels the pressure and needs to hit out or get out. When Junaid got out today, we were 45-1 after 6.2 overs, which is still much better than, say, being at 98 after 16, with one man having scored 38. So give Junaid a few more chances and *whip* him in the dressing room so he doesn't throw his wicket away.

As for the "anchor" role, Tamim's inning today was exemplary and he needs to keep doing this. He started slow and looked uncomfortable at times, but then accelerated near the end and played himself back to form. A good anchor doesn't just score a run-a-ball 40 and then get out, leaving the rest of the batsmen an insurmountable pile of runs to topple. When you've done the hard work of lasting 45 balls and have your eyes in, you need to take ownership of the situation and open up. Leaving the team at 98-6 after 16 is a crime.

Agree that he looked shaky but it's understandable since he's coming back in to the team after a while but he adds power in to the top order which we needed badly.

Dilscoop
July 25, 2012, 12:28 PM
However, a quickfire 20/30 can often be more valuable than a 50 at a 90 S/R.
Dear Ashraful,

He doesn't mean Test cricket.

Sincerely,
Dilscoop.

playmaker
July 25, 2012, 12:30 PM
Ive always been a fan of Junaid for this T20 format. We need a batsman who has the license to go for his shots early on. Why hold back? this format has 120 balls and balls pass bye easily. So if you have two sheet anchors as openers your team will def. start slow. And a slow start doesnt help

oronnya
July 25, 2012, 12:51 PM
Junaid didn't look completely in control of his shots today, but what I liked about his inning was that it lacked selfishness. He was jittery in the beginning, then threw his wicket away, but at least showed intent. He needs to convert more often, these customary 20's aren't going to do him any good. However, a quickfire 20/30 can often be more valuable than a 50 at a 90 S/R. At least you're scoring some quick runs and getting out to make way for someone else instead of hogging one end and getting the team to a situation where everyone feels the pressure and needs to hit out or get out. When Junaid got out today, we were 45-1 after 6.2 overs, which is still much better than, say, being at 98 after 16, with one man having scored 38. So give Junaid a few more chances and *whip* him in the dressing room so he doesn't throw his wicket away.

As for the "anchor" role, Tamim's inning today was exemplary and he needs to keep doing this. He started slow and looked uncomfortable at times, but then accelerated near the end and played himself back to form. A good anchor doesn't just score a run-a-ball 40 and then get out, leaving the rest of the batsmen an insurmountable pile of runs to topple. When you've done the hard work of lasting 45 balls and have your eyes in, you need to take ownership of the situation and open up. Leaving the team at 98-6 after 16 is a crime.

Completely agree !!

PoorFan
July 25, 2012, 01:11 PM
Tamim, Zunaid, Ash doesnt matter, as long they feel happy scoring 20 odd runs 9 out of 10 times. 50 odd runs once in a 10 times or so really not the answer in International cricket. BD team are full of these idiots, Pybuss needs to do something with these mindset.

simon
July 25, 2012, 01:25 PM
Junaid looked good but he.plays one shot too many which costs his wicKet.
But I hope to see him in tmmrrws match.
Good thing about Junaid is he is.more attacking than Ash which is good for Tamim and overall the team.
Still I am pretty sure Ash will come back at a certain point and kick Junaid out.
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kiwibd
July 25, 2012, 01:46 PM
The thing with Tamim is he doesen't try to be the sheet anchor EVER, he just was struggling with his form recently which made him look like he was trying to anchor but in reality he was ttrying to attack but not executing, even today he was lucky, but however he did what ash cudnt do in all his innings, he managed to accelerate at the right time

BengaliPagol
July 25, 2012, 03:28 PM
Tamim and Ash are similar type players in T20s and so it might be best to get Junaid to strike from ball 1. But i know Ash can hit and strike from ball 1 also i would like to see Ash just go after the bowling. So its a tough decision picking the opening pair.

zahidnyc
July 25, 2012, 06:04 PM
junaid over ashraful always , bcz is simplie junaid is a big power hitter

AMD128
July 26, 2012, 08:21 AM
Ki labh hoilo ai BOLDA Junaid re niye? HECK! That BPL innings of 89* did him big favors but yet he couldn't capitalize. Even Jahurul/Kayes has more array of shots than Junaid.

playmaker
July 26, 2012, 08:23 AM
One innings and ppl are jumping over junaid :smh:

AMD128
July 26, 2012, 08:27 AM
He was brought way down the order. Can't blame him today for not getting runs. But I guess I do realize that today's match is purely an experiment. Win or lose. Mushy and the staffs are experimenting. Which is why Mash was rested despite that he's the most in-form on this tour.

BANFAN
July 26, 2012, 09:23 AM
One innings and ppl are jumping over junaid :smh:

Where one innings??

Two consecutive innings should show his abilities.. .. And we should get the answer..

BANFAN
July 26, 2012, 09:27 AM
Tamim and Ash are similar type players in T20s and so it might be best to get Junaid to strike from ball 1. But i know Ash can hit and strike from ball 1 also i would like to see Ash just go after the bowling. So its a tough decision picking the opening pair.

ya sure, Tamim and Ash both are similar ... They were scoring
Junaid is different bcoz he isn't scoring...if that can make a better ombination...:)

He isn't Another debutant... We already know what he can do and he has done the same here. Ash is now, a few more times consistent than Junaid... Give him some time to Learn to be consistent and then come back.

Dilscoop
July 26, 2012, 12:03 PM
ya sure, Tamim and Ash both are similar ... They were scoring
Junaid is different bcoz he isn't scoring...if that can make a better ombination...:)

He isn't Another debutant... We already know what he can do and he has done the same here. Ash is now, a few more times consistent than Junaid... Give him some time to Learn to be consistent and then come back.

They are both scoring? Tamim scored 310 runs in this tour. May I ask how much did Ash score?

Consistent? Ash? HAAH! Jhoke! Those two words don't go together. Ash barely avg 19 @ 126 after 20 matches. J avg. 23 @ 150, after 7 matches. If anyone deserves more chances, it's J.

Boy, did you wait for Junaid to fail! Selfish player, selfish fans.

playmaker
July 26, 2012, 01:09 PM
They are both scoring? Tamim scored 310 runs in this tour. May I ask how much did Ash score?

Consistent? Ash? HAAH! Jhoke! Those two words don't go together. Ash barely avg 19 @ 126 after 20 matches. J avg. 23 @ 150, after 7 matches. If anyone deserves more chances, it's J.

Boy, did you wait for Junaid to fail! Selfish player, selfish fans.

:up::up::up:

its stupid that the Ash Lovers claim that Ash has done well. A 20-30 run innings with SR of 90 will NOT win you matches, unless ur chasing anything below 120, enough said.

Junaid has done better in that prospect and his aggressive intent is what T20 needs.

BANFAN
July 26, 2012, 01:25 PM
They are both scoring? Tamim scored 310 runs in this tour. May I ask how much did Ash score?

Consistent? Ash? HAAH! Jhoke! Those two words don't go together. Ash barely avg 19 @ 126 after 20 matches. J avg. 23 @ 150, after 7 matches. If anyone deserves more chances, it's J.

Boy, did you wait for Junaid to fail! Selfish player, selfish fans.

Don't live your life on some cliche... Look through the score cards of BD players in recent matches, you will know the facts .... :)

Primary level athematics.... 20/30 > 0 ... No?? Hahaha :) ignorance is bliss as some wise people say.. But not to that extent... There is another word for that..:)

BANFAN
July 26, 2012, 01:27 PM
:up::up::up:

its stupid that the Ash Lovers claim that Ash has done well. A 20-30 run innings with SR of 90 will NOT win you matches, unless ur chasing anything below 120, enough said.

Junaid has done better in that prospect and his aggressive intent is what T20 needs.

Aggressive intent for a "0" ...?? Then what's the problem with Aftab n Alok?? Bring them back... They are better than Junaid in it.

Dilscoop
July 26, 2012, 02:09 PM
Don't live your life on some cliche... Look through the score cards of BD players in recent matches, you will know the facts .... :)

Primary level athematics.... 20/30 > 0 ... No?? Hahaha :) ignorance is bliss as some wise people say.. But not to that extent... There is another word for that..:)
So you give me some life lessons and some smart-sounding sayings and some basic math and you think you've won the argument. Nice. Way to ignore the point I was trying to make. Fanboys :rolleyes:. I'm not even gonna bother with you. You're blind in love, and anything I say will just whoosh over your head. Just get over yourself. Ash is not consistent.

Like I said, it's as if you sat there and prayed for Junaid to fail.

BANFAN
July 26, 2012, 02:30 PM
So you give me some life lessons and some smart-sounding sayings and some basic math and you think you've won the argument. Nice. Way to ignore the point I was trying to make. Fanboys :rolleyes:. I'm not even gonna bother with you. You're blind in love, and anything I say will just whoosh over your head. Just get over yourself. Ash is not consistent.

Like I said, it's as if you sat there and prayed for Junaid to fail.

Noted your logic less verdict hate boys..

But the last one about Junaid was very logical.... BABA !! ... I didn't know that works in anyway.....:) thanks ...

Tiger444
July 26, 2012, 02:38 PM
ya sure, Tamim and Ash both are similar ... They were scoring
Junaid is different bcoz he isn't scoring...if that can make a better ombination...:)

He isn't Another debutant... We already know what he can do and he has done the same here. Ash is now, a few more times consistent than Junaid... Give him some time to Learn to be consistent and then come back.

I'm interested in what you mean by Ash has been more consistent compared to Junaid. Because Ash has gotten many more chances than Junaid in this tour so its hard to compare as to whose more consistent.

By the way, I'm not a hater of any player just to make it clear and want any player sporting the red and green doing well.

BANFAN
July 26, 2012, 02:49 PM
Look at his stats of recent time... BPL, Domestic, Zim and this series and compare, you will get the picture. In T20s.

Dilscoop
July 26, 2012, 02:57 PM
Noted your logic less verdict hate boys..

But the last one about Junaid was very logical.... BABA !! ... I didn't know that works in anyway.....:) thanks ...
huh? I didn't understand a thing on that post. That made zero sense.

I'm interested in what you mean by Ash has been more consistent compared to Junaid. Because Ash has gotten many more chances than Junaid in this tour so its hard to compare as to whose more consistent.

By the way, I'm not a hater of any player just to make it clear and want any player sporting the red and green doing well.

Exactly. Like I said, he just waited for Ashraful's replacement to get just ONE bad score to jump on him asap. People like him would rather see the team fail. He has problem with Shakib, Rahim, Junaid or anyone who is better or anyone who replaces him because of his own failures, match after match, series after series.

And I never understood groupies between same team's players. That makes no sense. They all fighting for one goal.

BengaliPagol
July 26, 2012, 03:17 PM
Junaid only played 2 matches.

Ajfar
July 26, 2012, 03:25 PM
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Anher
July 26, 2012, 10:30 PM
Lol ajfar bhai! Junaid Failed!!!
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Sohel
July 27, 2012, 12:05 AM
Here's my current view on Junaid Siddique Imrose (and a couple of other "heavy hitters"), after actually having observed his progress closely over the past 5-6 years in the domestic as well as the international arena as a former admirer:

Because of the overabundance of the illiterate gardener-made dead wickets in our domestic circuit, coupled with the scarcity to genuinely quick bowlers, he developed the bad habit of committing his front foot too early, playing with an unusually heavy bottom hand and lack of persistent focus on what's happening out there rather than what's going inside that curious little brain of his. Now, he gets away with that atrocious combination in what passes for "top shelf cricket" in Bangladesh, but seldom does with quality international bowlers capable of generating pace and swing through the air, and enough bounce even on flat pitches.

Imrose enjoyed an extended run in the top three of the batting order during his bromance with Jamie Siddons, yet somehow failed to rectify ANY of the LETHAL technical flaws I've mentioned here. Siddons, thanks to his infamous "team rules", did manage to force a vastly improved temperament in him and others, but failed to inspire him to become more sound technically in light of those serious issues, and sustain success at the highest level. The net result so far has been test, ODI and T20 averages/SR's of 27/41, 23/68 and 23/147. NOTHING to write home about when it comes to those test and ODI averages, really.

His T20I numbers look better in comparison until you look at his individual scores over the 7 matches he has played so far. Innings of 71, 4, 41, 13, 5, 25 and 0 suggest, once you contextualize those performances purely statistical geekfesting never can, two things stand out pretty clearly: 1) his average has been extraordinarily inflated by the great, pre-Siddons era debut score of 71 against Pakistan in our final match of the first T20I World Cup; and 2) he is not opener or top order material at this format.

If "30" is the new "50" in IPLogy, he has only 2 such scores and his batting suggests that he's only capable of such scores on a good day. On that good day, whenever that day may decide to grace Bangladesh with its rare presence, he can score 30+ before getting out in one of his 3 customary ways we've repeatedly witnessed since his debut in both domestic and the international level. Dismissals that have EVERYTHING to do with the flaws he has utterly failed to rectify over the past 5-6 years. Speaks volumes, doesn't it?

All that being said, now that Siddons is gone, he does score quickly and can hit a few clean and elegant sixes in the process. So where can a guy like that, a walking wicket who can PERHAPS score a quickfire 15-29 runs on a regular day, bat in a T20I side and be extremely useful? I'd say in a purely powerhitting position at number 7 and NOT as opener or anywhere in the top order, provided our number 4, 5 or 6 batsmen finish the game. I honestly don't see any other place for him.

Now on to Jahurul Islam Aumi. Aumi isn't half the player Imrose is in ANY aspect of the game, except perhaps wicketkeeping, and the math looks simple enough from that premise. He's also mentally weak and will crumble under the pressure and expectations associated with international cricket in any format, as he has since his shezda-mara 50 in the Asia Cup. Of course, he's not the unadulterated, nirbhyajal crap Mohammed Nazimuddin is, please consider a little context and spare me his domestic heroics, but that doesn't make him into an international cricketer either.

I love Ziaur Rahman's ability to sack-up and go for it, but he's a one-trick pony and I rate Mashrafe Bin Mortaza Koushik several floors above him when it comes to consistently playing important cameos down the order.

What we need to plug the serious holes in our lineup is:

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AND give them a good run to play according to their ability at the highest levels, learn to sustain success, and finally prove themselves worthy of our Flag at the highest level.

Until then, let us hope the Tamim-M:facepalm:tin partnership at the top is coached into a far more useful one than it has been.

playmaker
July 27, 2012, 01:54 AM
the reason why we are not happy with ash because he is not doing the team any favour with his inability to shift gears at crucial times. He is a total 1 dimensional player. Same with tamim on the other hand, and if both of your openers are like that your team cannot do well in T20s. Look at Aus, they open with watson and warner!

M.H.Rubel
July 27, 2012, 05:26 AM
In T20 only option left for opening is Tamim ,Ash and Junaid. TTamim is fixed there.Then both Junaid and Ash are almost same.Main problem now with ash is he is slow. Still i want ash there. It brings right left combination plus there is a chance that Ash can be explosive if he regain confidence after playing few matches.

BengaliPagol
July 27, 2012, 05:48 AM
I wouldnt call Ashraful a 'one dimensional player'. I would call him a strange cricketer with a strange temperament. He can hit every ball for six but at the same time he feels like scoring slow at strange times.

SMHasan
July 27, 2012, 10:39 AM
Not yet convinced. Too many dot deliveries during powerplay overs is the main concern. We haven't seen a flying start from them which may be required in high scoring chases. Ireland allowed us to get back into games but the stronger teams will press us on the mat if we start off with 3-4 runs per over in a t-20. Lets see how they go in the remaining matches in europe.

Spot on.

Tamim has been struggling recently, I must say we lost that Tamim who used be ruthless in ODIs. Both he and Ash has been doing same thing recently- which is - playing too many dot balls and not even playing like one dayers. In t20 you have to take at least 5 singles in an over and hit 4s/6s in every other over. but they failed to maintain a healthy runrate. Their strike rate also stays below 100 most of the time.

Since both of them are batting in a same manner it's not going to work for us if not Tamim changes his game soon, if TI finds his gear then I would say Ash can hold and anchor. We will have good foundation. Otherwise this 'duo' isn't going to work.

On the other hand have we learned how to play t20? It's a big NO. It's been a pathetic tour of Europe and I cannot be optimistic for ICC WT20. Sorry people.

playmaker
July 27, 2012, 11:46 AM
Look at his stats of recent time... BPL, Domestic, Zim and this series and compare, you will get the picture. In T20s.



Lets see his performance this year: not a single 50!

:notworthy::notworthy::notworthy:

And SR is less than 100

:bravo:

Tiger444
July 27, 2012, 12:42 PM
Look at his stats of recent time... BPL, Domestic, Zim and this series and compare, you will get the picture. In T20s.

In the BPL, they scored the same amount of runs except Junaid's SR was much higher. Then in the DPL, Junaid had the better avg and SR. And Ash got 3 matches compared to Junaid's 1. So while Ash scored more runs, he had more chances, so it's an unfair comparison IMO. Not saying that Junaid is consistent but he's proven to be more consistent then Ash. With Tamim playing in the SLPL, we'll probably see both Junaid and Ash opening so that would be the best indicator to see who should open alongsides Tamim.

BANFAN
July 27, 2012, 02:07 PM
Lets see his performance this year: not a single 50!

:notworthy::notworthy::notworthy:

And SR is less than 100

:bravo:

Let's see our teams performance this year in T20 ... Only four 50 s, 2 against ire (Nasir/Shak) and two against Ned (Tamim) .. .... 2 at around 100 SR and one on lost cause...LOL @ BD T20

So by your standard only 3 players qualify to play, my friend we need 11 ... That's the fing problem, selecting the better trash from a heap of trash, to make a team. Think you aren't so acquainted with our cricketers' abilities. Pick a name other than the above three, I will show you the holes to lol @

So here it's the question of opening partnership. We need a consistent 140+ SR guy to partner TI and who can remain in the crease long enough, but we don't have one ... Anyone who tries to maintain that SR will collapse cheaply, like Junaid did in "00" ..so instead of dreaming for what we don't have we should go for at least what we have; i.e. one guy at the top who can anchor the innings, rotate strike and maintain about 100 SR.

If TI starts doing that, you are underrutilizing his abilities; If you have followed the matches we lost against Assoc, TI did exactly that job with 108 SR in last match, and thats a big reason why we lost that match because we lacked his services in PP. We lacked someone to Anchor the innings and allow TI to play freely, so we have to be happy with what Ash is delivering now 90-100, while all the other guys can bat freely even when TI departs ... If Ash can gradually take it to 120 level,i will be damn happy with our oppening partnership. Beggars don't have choices. Disturbing him at this point will ruin the team..if its not already done.

Ajfar
July 27, 2012, 03:57 PM
His T20I numbers look better in comparison until you look at his individual scores over the 7 matches he has played so far. Innings of 71, 4, 41, 13, 5, 25 and 0 suggest, once you contextualize those performances purely statistical geekfesting never can, two things stand out pretty clearly: 1) his average has been extraordinarily inflated by the great, pre-Siddons era debut score of 71 against Pakistan in our final match of the first T20I World Cup; and 2) he is not opener or top order material at this format.

He is not an opener/top order material at this format based on his issue with technique, his inability to survive for a long enough time or not able to convert those starts, ok fair enough. But tell me this what is the definition you would use to qualify Tamim, Ash and Mushy as top order material in this format? In terms of technique everyone knows Tamim, Mushy, Ash are miles ahead of Zunaed. If technique was that important in T20 than how come Tamim, Ash and Mushy can't use that to their advantage to produce runs more consistently. Since Tamim has that much big of an advantage over Zunaed why did it take him 18 T20 matches to score his first 50?

If "30" is the new "50" in IPLogy, he has only 2 such scores and his batting suggests that he's only capable of such scores on a good day. On that good day, whenever that day may decide to grace Bangladesh with its rare presence

Exactly how many of those 30+ innings does Tamim have after playing 21 T20 matches? 5. How many 30+ innings does Ashraful have after playing 20 T20 matches? 4. How many does Mushy have after playing 23 matches? 2. Again if this is one of the criteria we are using to define who is top order material in T20 and who is not, than exactly why doesn't the 'rare presence' occur more often for Ash, Tamim and Mushy despite having such great techniques and played 10+ games than him.

List of Zunaed's innings from BPL
43 from 23 balls SR 182.61
5 from 4 balls SR 125
11 from 7 balls SR 157.14
26 from 14 balls SR 185.71
25 from 17 balls SR 147.06
89 from 51 balls SR 174.51
0 from 1 balls SR 0.00
29 from 32 balls SR 90.62 (Chasing 106 runs)
8 from 4 balls SR 200.00
0 from 1 balls SR 0.00

In my book what Zunaed has that we need at the top is the intention to attack from the get go. That's the reason I listed all of his BPL scores and SR. He is not interested in sitting back getting into the game, take his time and than attack. It's really important in T20 that you get off to fast tempo, most of the teams pull this off some what successfully against us be it Scotland or Netherlands. In a matter of 3/4 overs they put on 30-40 runs on the board. While are going at 5/6 an over and than hoping Tamim and Shakib can stay long enough to accelerate later on. I'm not saying Zunaed will get us a flying start every time, but if you look at his BPL innings you can tell he has right mindset for a flying start. These starts are just as important because they take a lot of pressure off the batsman's who come later on. It's much easier for a batsman to come in the middle when openers already put a good start at, at least 7-8+ an over. I would love to see him be able to convert those starts into bigger scores but if he can give us a quick fire 20-30+ at the start can serve us well in the long run. Save wicket now attack later doesn't necessary work in T20 like it does it 50 over games because you have much less overs to play. Your idea to play him down the order is good, but why would we do that to Zia since he has done well enough for now to earn a spot. IMO Zunaed should at least be in the 15 man squad for the world cup. It keeps both him and Ashraful on their toes. We only have 2 games in the world cup. If Ash plays the first game and fails, than Zunaed comes in. If Zunaed plays the first game and fails than Ash comes in. Whoever that play the first game and performs, stays on for the next game.

simon
July 27, 2012, 04:29 PM
I'm very confused between Ash & Junaid,
both Junaid and Ash are inconsistent (thgh I belive Ash is little more consistent & more watchful)
But Junaid certainly has much better SR,but very reckless,he knows only one way,that is attack.
Ash is capable of both attack or defend.

Tiger444
July 27, 2012, 04:59 PM
He is not an opener/top order material at this format based on his issue with technique, his inability to survive for a long enough time or not able to convert those starts, ok fair enough. But tell me this what is the definition you would use to qualify Tamim, Ash and Mushy as top order material in this format? In terms of technique everyone knows Tamim, Mushy, Ash are miles ahead of Zunaed. If technique was that important in T20 than how come Tamim, Ash and Mushy can't use that to their advantage to produce runs more consistently. Since Tamim has that much big of an advantage over Zunaed why did it take him 18 T20 matches to score his first 50?



Exactly how many of those 30+ innings does Tamim have after playing 21 T20 matches? 5. How many 30+ innings does Ashraful have after playing 20 T20 matches? 4. How many does Mushy have after playing 23 matches? 2. Again if this is one of the criteria we are using to define who is top order material in T20 and who is not, than exactly why doesn't the 'rare presence' occur more often for Ash, Tamim and Mushy despite having such great techniques and played 10+ games than him.

List of Zunaed's innings from BPL
43 from 23 balls SR 182.61
5 from 4 balls SR 125
11 from 7 balls SR 157.14
26 from 14 balls SR 185.71
25 from 17 balls SR 147.06
89 from 51 balls SR 174.51
0 from 1 balls SR 0.00
29 from 32 balls SR 90.62 (Chasing 106 runs)
8 from 4 balls SR 200.00
0 from 1 balls SR 0.00

In my book what Zunaed has that we need at the top is the intention to attack from the get go. That's the reason I listed all of his BPL scores and SR. He is not interested in sitting back getting into the game, take his time and than attack. It's really important in T20 that you get off to fast tempo, most of the teams pull this off some what successfully against us be it Scotland or Netherlands. In a matter of 3/4 overs they put on 30-40 runs on the board. While are going at 5/6 an over and than hoping Tamim and Shakib can stay long enough to accelerate later on. I'm not saying Zunaed will get us a flying start every time, but if you look at his BPL innings you can tell he has right mindset for a flying start. These starts are just as important because they take a lot of pressure off the batsman's who come later on. It's much easier for a batsman to come in the middle when openers already put a good start at, at least 7-8+ an over. I would love to see him be able to convert those starts into bigger scores but if he can give us a quick fire 20-30+ at the start can serve us well in the long run. Save wicket now attack later doesn't necessary work in T20 like it does it 50 over games because you have much less overs to play. Your idea to play him down the order is good, but why would we do that to Zia since he has done well enough for now to earn a spot. IMO Zunaed should at least be in the 15 man squad for the world cup. It keeps both him and Ashraful on their toes. We only have 2 games in the world cup. If Ash plays the first game and fails, than Zunaed comes in. If Zunaed plays the first game and fails than Ash comes in. Whoever that play the first game and performs, stays on for the next game.

Top post as always Ajfar bro

BengaliPagol
July 27, 2012, 09:46 PM
But the real question comes if 3 quick wickets fall in the space of 3 overs and Junaid is still in the crease do you want him to so call 'attack the bowling' and get out by making 25 runs? Or would you want some to score at a run a ball strike rate and swing the momentum our way to get to a decent total?

I think if we tell Ash to attack the bowling, he will attack the bowling. So its upto the coach to tell Ash to hit the ball. Ash can also play according to the situation so he can score at a run a ball if he needs to.

BANFAN
July 28, 2012, 07:43 AM
But the real question comes if 3 quick wickets fall in the space of 3 overs and Junaid is still in the crease do you want him to so call 'attack the bowling' and get out by making 25 runs? Or would you want some to score at a run a ball strike rate and swing the momentum our way to get to a decent total?

I think if we tell Ash to attack the bowling, he will attack the bowling. So its upto the coach to tell Ash to hit the ball. Ash can also play according to the situation so he can score at a run a ball if he needs to.

Valid question. Same concern also comes from Simon.

From the BPL stats posted by Ajfar bro, clearly shows his pattern... He was out facing less than 10 balls in 5 innings of the 10 he played... Less than/ around 20 balls in 2/3 inningses... So he is Geniunely Short lived and quick fire type batsman to contend for a tailed slot max...

We have tried exactly this kind of players before and they didn't do anything good, we wasted time and had to abandon them.. Ideal example is "Aftab" ..

playmaker
July 28, 2012, 08:21 AM
Let's see our teams performance this year in T20 ... Only four 50 s, 2 against ire (Nasir/Shak) and two against Ned (Tamim) .. .... 2 at around 100 SR and one on lost cause...LOL @ BD T20

So by your standard only 3 players qualify to play, my friend we need 11 ... That's the fing problem, selecting the better trash from a heap of trash, to make a team. Think you aren't so acquainted with our cricketers' abilities. Pick a name other than the above three, I will show you the holes to lol @

So here it's the question of opening partnership. We need a consistent 140+ SR guy to partner TI and who can remain in the crease long enough, but we don't have one ... Anyone who tries to maintain that SR will collapse cheaply, like Junaid did in "00" ..so instead of dreaming for what we don't have we should go for at least what we have; i.e. one guy at the top who can anchor the innings, rotate strike and maintain about 100 SR.

If TI starts doing that, you are underrutilizing his abilities; If you have followed the matches we lost against Assoc, TI did exactly that job with 108 SR in last match, and thats a big reason why we lost that match because we lacked his services in PP. We lacked someone to Anchor the innings and allow TI to play freely, so we have to be happy with what Ash is delivering now 90-100, while all the other guys can bat freely even when TI departs ... If Ash can gradually take it to 120 level,i will be damn happy with our oppening partnership. Beggars don't have choices. Disturbing him at this point will ruin the team..if its not already done.

It seems you have a lot if misconception about going on about an innings. You see, every batsman has a specific task at his hand and if he does it well then its a job well done. Now do you ask zia to score more runs than Ash? He bats at 6/7 and is asked to blast the ball out of the park. What nasir, is he there to score a slow innings or look for boundarie every now and again.

Ash bats at the top is after 7 matches if you cant score 50, even with a SR below 110 then its a failure in my eyes. If he was aggressive then I wouldve considered.

But no point arguing with you because you are a BLIND ASH fans and any criticism about the Great Ash is not just

Crisis
July 28, 2012, 08:27 AM
It seems you have a lot if misconception about going on about an innings. You see, every batsman has a specific task at his hand and if he does it well then its a job well done. Now do you ask zia to score more runs than Ash? He bats at 6/7 and is asked to blast the ball out of the park. What nasir, is he there to score a slow innings or look for boundarie every now and again.

Ash bats at the top is after 7 matches if you cant score 50, even with a SR below 110 then its a failure in my eyes. If he was aggressive then I wouldve considered.

But no point arguing with you because you are a BLIND ASH fans and any criticism about the Great Ash is not just

Our star studded team can't survive for very long. They constantly try to play rash shots. That's their conception of T20. Both T20 and ODI have a similarity. The first two need to make a foundation. I agree Ash scores 1 run a ball and doesn't play shots. But, once you have a foundation of a decent no. of runs, all the later batsmen can come and play shots freely to improve the final score. If the foundation is flaky , then later batsmen can't play freely.

Zunaid
July 28, 2012, 08:35 AM
It seems you have a lot if misconception about going on about an innings. You see, every batsman has a specific task at his hand and if he does it well then its a job well done. Now do you ask zia to score more runs than Ash? He bats at 6/7 and is asked to blast the ball out of the park. What nasir, is he there to score a slow innings or look for boundarie every now and again.

Ash bats at the top is after 7 matches if you cant score 50, even with a SR below 110 then its a failure in my eyes. If he was aggressive then I wouldve considered.

But no point arguing with you because you are a BLIND ASH fans and any criticism about the Great Ash is not just

Please cease ad hominem attacks. Counter the message and not the messenger. You are getting worked up in your last few posts. I suggest you step away from the computer and get a breath of fresh air. It'll do you good.

- as admin

playmaker
July 28, 2012, 08:52 AM
Please cease ad hominem attacks. Counter the message and not the messenger. You are getting worked up in your last few posts. I suggest you step away from the computer and get a breath of fresh air. It'll do you good.

- as admin

OMG Im starting to have the kiwibd effect :o:o:hairpull::hairpull::wow:

my apologies to BF E-)E-)

Zunaid
July 28, 2012, 08:55 AM
A back handed apology? Hmmmm.

Zunaid
July 28, 2012, 12:04 PM
OMG Im starting to have the kiwibd effect :o:o:hairpull::hairpull::wow:

my apologies to BF E-)E-)

On second read, I may have read too much into your post. Ignore my admonishment and carry on.

BengaliPagol
July 28, 2012, 03:15 PM
It seems you have a lot if misconception about going on about an innings. You see, every batsman has a specific task at his hand and if he does it well then its a job well done. Now do you ask zia to score more runs than Ash? He bats at 6/7 and is asked to blast the ball out of the park. What nasir, is he there to score a slow innings or look for boundarie every now and again.

Ash bats at the top is after 7 matches if you cant score 50, even with a SR below 110 then its a failure in my eyes. If he was aggressive then I wouldve considered.

But no point arguing with you because you are a BLIND ASH fans and any criticism about the Great Ash is not just

If you are supporting Ash in something it doesnt mean your his fan. If you think failure this and failure that then lets all just convince David Warner to play for Bangladesh so we can solve this failure problem. Do you think we have class batsmen on our wings who will fill your criteria of 30 ball 50s every match?

BengaliPagol
July 28, 2012, 03:18 PM
Please cease ad hominem attacks. Counter the message and not the messenger. You are getting worked up in your last few posts. I suggest you step away from the computer and get a breath of fresh air. It'll do you good.

- as admin

The side affects of too much Ash hating.

Gowza
July 28, 2012, 11:56 PM
Want ash to do well since he is currently in the national team but I think he's really gone downhill a lot.

playmaker
July 29, 2012, 05:13 AM
The side affects of too much Ash hating.

Im not an Ash hater, its just that I cant stand him getting oppurtunities after oppurtunities and not making them count

Gowza
July 30, 2012, 02:27 AM
neither junaid or ash have done that well, tough to pick between the 2 really. probably need to give junaid a couple more games, if he can't do anything then go with ash. otherwise find someone else.