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RazabQ
August 8, 2012, 11:02 AM
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-under19-world-cup-2012/content/current/story/576439.html

Australia's star performer? Deshi
Scotlands? Deshi
South Africa's last over match turner? Deshi
New Zealand's leading bowler of the day? Deshi
England's 2nd best bowler? Deshi
Windies centurion? Half-Deshi

And of course you have India, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Pakistan which are full deshi.

If U-19 are the future, are we at the cusp of cricket being marginalized as a sport played by people of South Asian ancestry?

playmaker
August 8, 2012, 11:08 AM
to be honest ive gotta disagree with you. The people you are talking about are only a MINORITY.

Dale steyn, mokkel, cook, smith, ABCD, are these deshis? what about warner watson KP lee andersen broad, the list is endless.

Whatever you might say I think that an ASIA XI is still weaker than a NON-ASIAN XI.

RazabQ
August 8, 2012, 11:09 AM
Playmaker which part of _FUTURE_ are you mixing up with the _PRESENT_?

Equinox
August 8, 2012, 11:11 AM
No that won't be the case. England, Australia and South Africa will still be fielding white-majority teams with one or two SC descent players in the foreseeable future.

AsifTheManRahman
August 8, 2012, 11:20 AM
There will be no cricket in the future.

RazabQ
August 8, 2012, 11:36 AM
ATMR, why so serious?

Crisis
August 8, 2012, 12:09 PM
More like foreign immigrants.......

SS
August 8, 2012, 12:31 PM
ATMR, why so serious?

Frustration resulted from awaiting Eid innings from Sir Ash, now Sir Shakib and Sir Mushfiq..back to the topic...could be I am amazed to see WI team now all with half deshis and also other teams recruiting deshi spinners...can we send some of our SLAs and exchange some fast bowlers and good batsmen (has to be foreign deshi though)...it will look odd in our team with pure firingi

playmaker
August 8, 2012, 12:45 PM
There will be no cricket in the future.

Since test cricket is real cricket, there yes, there will be no cricket in the future because Tests will die. And at the same time LOIs will dominate

simon
August 8, 2012, 04:07 PM
a time will come when more than half of the SAfrikaan players will be "colored"
so far, Petersen,Duminy,Prince,Gibbs,Nel,Philander,Parnell ,PAul Adams.

Crisis
August 8, 2012, 04:38 PM
I tell you it's all them Indians and Bangladeshis settling in every nook and corner of the world!

cricheart
August 8, 2012, 05:13 PM
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-under19-world-cup-2012/content/current/story/576439.html

Australia's star performer? Deshi
Scotlands? Deshi
South Africa's last over match turner? Deshi
New Zealand's leading bowler of the day? Deshi
England's 2nd best bowler? Deshi
Windies centurion? Half-Deshi

And of course you have India, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Pakistan which are full deshi.

If U-19 are the future, are we at the cusp of cricket being marginalized as a sport played by people of South Asian ancestry?

I prefer not to group ourselves in 'deshis'; like to ID myself 'Bangali' better. I found 'desi' meaning more often as an Indians and less/none for others that op listed.

I beleive no bangali would ever choose other test nation over Bangladesh to play cricket. The amount of pride, passion, love, enthusiasm our fans share for their cricketers, you cant refuse/skip it. Whereas you will be allways called a 'deshi' in those squads as if a foreign eliment among those native players.

btw I guess using Black/Half-black or simple Indians would be more sensable use in the op.

Night_wolf
August 8, 2012, 11:32 PM
interesting thread..as deshies are everywhere in the world and cricket is the most popular game here this was bound to happen someday..but most of the deshies are either indian or pak origin..i would like to see some BD origin players someday

Ajfar
August 9, 2012, 12:40 AM
Whereas you will be allways called a 'deshi' in those squads as if a foreign eliment among those native players.

How are you 'foreign', If you were born and raised in that country?

'Native' players? Oh please there is no such thing as native players nowadays. Players with all different kinds of roots play for other countries, as long as you qualify. How many of you know that Australian T20 captain George Bailey played for scotland? KP, Trott, Kieswetter, Eoin Morgan the list goes on and on. Are they 'native' as oppose to say Bopara because they are white and he is not?

RazabQ
August 9, 2012, 02:46 AM
cricheart you need to see more of the world :) I used deshis because like it or not, non-brown people tend to lump us together into one group.

Didn't know about George Bailey

Jadukor
August 9, 2012, 02:57 AM
I am pretty sure it would be the chinese

Naimul_Hd
August 9, 2012, 03:02 AM
I am pretty sure it would be the chinese

Chinese kids do play cricket in school level in Aus. Won't be surprised if any of Chinese kid make it to National Level in the future.

Jadukor
August 9, 2012, 03:08 AM
1 out of Every 7 is chinese. They have the resources and should dominate olympics and all other sporting events in the future

Dilscoop
August 9, 2012, 03:50 AM
*So many racist jokes applicable*

firstlane
August 9, 2012, 04:22 AM
I believe so. cricket is not the number one sport of any non-deshi country. We are stuck with cricket because we suck in every other sport due to lack of fitness.

BengaliPagol
August 9, 2012, 05:36 AM
Chinese kids do play cricket in school level in Aus. Won't be surprised if any of Chinese kid make it to National Level in the future.

I know alot of Asian friends who play cricket and are good at it as well. It might not sound believable to some people but alot of asians embrace cricket in Australia.

playmaker
August 9, 2012, 06:54 AM
I believe so. cricket is not the number one sport of any non-deshi country. We are stuck with cricket because we suck in every other sport due to lack of fitness.

Cricket is the most popular sport in Australia and in the WI. In NZ, SA, England cricket is one of the most popular sports. So I dont see why Asians will dominate the sport.

We have seen dominance of non-Asian team in the past, we are seeing it in the present. And I dont see how things will change drastically in the future

Zunaid
August 9, 2012, 07:00 AM
Cricket is the most popular sport in Australia and in the WI. In NZ, SA, England cricket is one of the most popular sports. So I dont see why Asians will dominate the sport.

We have seen dominance of non-Asian team in the past, we are seeing it in the present. And I dont see how things will change drastically in the future

I think neither for Australia nor for the West Indies is cricket the most popular sport.

Consider attendance stats (http://www.topendsports.com/world/lists/popular-sport/countries/australia-spectators.htm) for Australia. Cricket is #6 with 1/4 of the attendance for Aussie rules.

And in the West Indies, basketball has long surpassed cricket.

Naimul_Hd
August 9, 2012, 07:13 AM
I think neither for Australia nor for the West Indies is cricket the most popular sport.

Consider attendance stats (http://www.topendsports.com/world/lists/popular-sport/countries/australia-spectators.htm) for Australia. Cricket is #6 with 1/4 of the attendance for Aussie rules.

And in the West Indies, basketball has long surpassed cricket.

That's right. Cricket is way behind of Footy and NRL. Young generation don't like cricket. Cricket is only popular among deshis in Aus and older people (pensioners) :) And yes, when i said popular, its only when Australia play against Pommies (Yes, only Ashes matters for Aussies, for rest, they don't care)

This is my personal experience. Other may have other experiences.

M.H.Rubel
August 9, 2012, 07:30 AM
I think neither for Australia nor for the West Indies is cricket the most popular sport.

Consider attendance stats (http://www.topendsports.com/world/lists/popular-sport/countries/australia-spectators.htm) for Australia. Cricket is #6 with 1/4 of the attendance for Aussie rules.

And in the West Indies, basketball has long surpassed cricket.

Yup cricket is not that much popular in Australia but I think after the advent of T20. More people will come to watch cricket.

ialbd
August 9, 2012, 11:20 AM
I am pretty sure it would be the chinese

wait till it gets included in the olympics... esp t20... they'll master it in no time.

on the topic, 2015 world cup (Aus/NZ) will tell us more on this. Aussies are in general sports loving bunch, but I wonder how much attention this WC will get. It was such a brilliant move by ICC not to have the cricket WC in the same year as FIFA WC, Euro & the olympics...

P.S: if Aus/Eng/SA lose interest, maybe finally we'll get invited to India ;)

RazabQ
August 9, 2012, 11:39 AM
Playmaker, do you just make up assertions or do you actually do some homework before making them? This is a question, not a dig.

Look at this thread: You claimed, that no one of Bangladeshi ancestry would play for another country. And Cricket is the most popular sport in so and so country

We don't have any player of BD ancestry good enough to command a regular place in a County or Shield side. As soon/if they start doing that, they'll gladly jump at the chance for playing for that country. It's simple economics.

Other than subcontinental countries, no other Test playing country has cricket as a #1 or even #2 sport. You seem to be oblivious to soccer, Aussie rules, rugby, basketball, etc.

One can say anything on an Internet forum. Does not mean one should.

Back to topic, yes I can see China dominating cricket if they get serious about it. And yes I am really worried about Test cricket.

Sohel
August 9, 2012, 11:33 PM
I'd say I'm a fairly well traveled person and when traveling, always take an interest in local sports interest and cuisine, but not in that order.

I'd say more people are passionate about cricket in South Asia than any other sport here. Not necessarily because of in depth knowledge of game and its wide array of nuances, but because of national pride. We pretty much suck at every other physically demanding sport on the world stage, and cricket is ideal for us physically because it allows players to stand around. I think we'll also do well in baseball, a hugely popular sport in North and Central America, the Hispanic parts of the Caribbean, and East Asia.

Because cricket is integral to national or community pride in the case of non-subcontinental players of South Asian ancestry no matter where they are, the proverbial Desi wants to play cricket at the highest level.

Cricket outside South Asia is a totally different story. Those nations are great to good at a number of other sports and don't really have cricket at the top of their respective list.

Cricket features prominently in the English media for a variety of reasons related more to tradition, including the literary tradition of cricket, than any actual popularity especially when compared to soccer. It is a subculture in its birthplace albeit a visible one.

Australians, at least when it comes to mass interest, only tend to care about the Ashes and Boxing Day cricket. Aussie Rules, Rugby, Soccer and even Swimming attracts way bigger crowds regularly. New Zealand is all about rugby.

In South Africa, most Whites and Biracial people (recognized as the distinct "Colored" race there) are into Rugby while most Blacks are into soccer. In Namibia, Kenya and Uganda, cricket is played and appreciated by a miniscule country club elite.

West Indies is comprised of many nations in and around the Caribbean and track and field is really big there. Many of their track and field athletes end up going to the US on athletic scholarships and end up playing popular American professional sports such as basketball, football and baseball. Only in Guyana and T&T with their huge Indo-Caribbean population, and the country clubs catering to the sociopolitical elite in Jamaica, Barbados and Antigua we see great interest in the sport. A formidable literary tradition adds to that interest.

Now looking at up and coming countries like Ireland, Scotland and Holland outside DesiWorld, we see sports like Hurling, Soccer and Golf, Soccer and a wide variety of sports from ice skating to cycling trump cricket.

All that being said, cricket fans are a passionate bunch no matter where they are or how small the their cricket subculture may measure up in size. Of course the same can be said of the Kendo or Aikido subculture in California and elsewhere.

I agree with the OP wholeheartedly that cricket is definitely a Desi thang, but do feel that if cricket were to become an Olympic event, we'll face serious competition from sports crazy, athletic nations like China, Korea, Japan and Germany, all hellbent on winning Olympic medals. I just hope "our cricket" doesn't become what "our hockey" has already become if and when that happens.

al Furqaan
August 10, 2012, 01:30 AM
I'll agree with playmaker, tentatively, that Desis won't be the sole demographic of the sport (like black people are for basketball, football in the US) anytime soon. There is enough interest in the "white" countries for the Hashim Amla's and the Jeetan Patel's to remain "tokens". But the WI has gone from black to about half brown now, and I think that will continue.

Ish
August 10, 2012, 01:39 PM
West Indies is comprised of many nations in and around the Caribbean and track and field is really big there. Many of their track and field athletes end up going to the US on athletic scholarships and end up playing popular American professional sports such as basketball, football and baseball. Only in Guyana and T&T with their huge Indo-Caribbean population, and the country clubs catering to the sociopolitical elite in Jamaica, Barbados and Antigua we see great interest in the sport. A formidable literary tradition adds to that interest.


This is an interesting discussion and I pretty much agree with everything Sohel wrote. One thing, however, which has not been noted so far is the influence of $$$.

Take the WI for example: as the recent Olympic coverage shows, athletes like Usain Bolt and Yohan Blake from Jamaica grow up playing cricket and are still huge fans. In fact, Blake has claimed he could be an elite bowler "faster than Zaheer Khan" if he chose that route for his career. But the reason young, talented athletes in Jamaica and the rest of the Caribbean have gravitated towards track and field, basketball, and other popular American sports rather than cricket is that there is simply more money to be made in those careers.

IPL and the T20 revolution around the world has the potential to change this. Right now, sprinting brings all the glory and $$ for Jamaicans. But the next generation of young Jamaican athletes now have Chris Gayle as an example to be emulated, with cricket as a viable professional option that may bring more glory and $$ than sprinting.

Likewise, if England ever implements a T20 league with the high profile sponsorships and $$ like the IPL, which Kevin Pietersen has recently been asking for, you will see more young British lads gravitate towards cricket rather than football only.

Basically, while I agree that the deshi countries may be more "fanatic" about cricket, it is also the only sport in those nations which provides a viable professional option for young athletes, and thus you see most if not all young males take up the sport. The non-deshi countries have tons of other sporting options, so the pool of athletes who take up cricket is limited. Change the money and glory equation, and I guarantee in the next generation you will have plenty of new cricket fanatics in non-deshi countries as well.

BengaliPagol
August 10, 2012, 10:32 PM
Cricket is the most popular sport in Australia

You said a very funny joke :floor:

Rule #1 dont make up facts.

If Aussies see this comment then they will laugh at you. NRL & AFL dominate the sports headlines in Australia. Aussies are fairly good at cricket because their grassroots levels are first class. You can easily play competitive cricket at school or sign up for a club team. From there if people recognise how good you are then you can go on towards playing rep level cricket and after that emerging blues and then state etc.

Soccer is fairly popular in Australia but we still suck in it. :facepalm:

RazabQ
August 11, 2012, 04:42 AM
To Asaad and Sohel and a couple of others, go check out the U19 rosters for the last WC as well. I'm telling ya, there is a serious risk that cricket might get marginalized to being a brown-only sport. The counter may be what Ish outlines - a series of 20/20 leagues making cricket lucrative enough to draw top athletes again from other ethnic groups.

On the same token, US, it its Cricket Association ever gets professional can be a strong player. The US born kids who are starting to now populate the leagues are VERY athletic and talented. Already the US team now has two US born players and that's without Cameron Mirza (Ian's student) breaking in.

Mauryan
August 16, 2012, 01:31 PM
as long as we will have 5 pointless tests matches in a series cricket wont win any more fans. not saying i don't like test cricket but its just not for everyone but if t20 cricket is taken more serious and is shown as main format of cricket then cricket will live on and maybe even be able to compete with football.