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M.H.Rubel
August 8, 2012, 12:33 PM
Dear friends Every time our A team go to India tour, we are hugely hammered by their state teams?
For last few days i red few about Indian domestic. Lets discuss about domestic structure. Why is our domestic structure so poor? What's the solution?

playmaker
August 8, 2012, 12:40 PM
I put all the blame on the cricket board. We have just one FC tournament the whole year and that too has too many gaps in between. FC structure can only be improved with more matches/tournaments.

M.H.Rubel
August 8, 2012, 12:43 PM
To produce quality players, F C is the main solution. I had a notion that our players do play few F C cricket. But after looking at the F C structure of India and Srilanka i don't think our players play too much few matches. Last year our players played 8-10 F C matches per head. In Ranji Indian players play same amount matches and same goes for Srilanka. So we are not far behind the numbers.

Maysun
August 8, 2012, 12:50 PM
One of the factors is, they play in more varied conditions within their own country.

M.H.Rubel
August 8, 2012, 12:51 PM
I put all the blame on the cricket board. We have just one FC tournament the whole year and that too has too many gaps in between. FC structure can only be improved with more matches/tournaments.

Arranging more F C tournaments is a tough job. As far as i know Srilanka have only one F C tournament like us and India have virtually One F C tourney that is Ranji Trophy.

AsifTheManRahman
August 8, 2012, 01:00 PM
There's no reason why the NCL can't be extended to include more matches in a home-away format.

Appointing McInnes as academy main man is a step in the right direction. Having our otherwise lazy reserves keep training year-round is one way to ensure a strong set of backups and increase competition for national team spots.

Contracting a hundred odd players across the country is also a good start. Salaries will increase steadily and playing domestic cricket for a living will slowly turn out to be a viable option for some of these players.

We need to revamp the school cricket system. I've lost touch - what's going on these days?

M.H.Rubel
August 8, 2012, 01:01 PM
One of the factors is, they play in more varied conditions within their own country.

Last year in Ranji trophy Bengal played 6 matches. Half of their matches were played at Eden Garden.

cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/IND/2011-12_IND_Ranji_Trophy_2011-12.html

reyme
August 8, 2012, 01:06 PM
Start Franchise based FC tournament and show the games on TV.
Also each team should have its age group teams like minor league Baseball.
Find a way to bring the crowd in the stadium at any cost..

M.H.Rubel
August 8, 2012, 01:08 PM
There's no reason why the NCL can't be extended to include more matches in a home-away format.

Appointing McInnes as academy main man is a step in the right direction. Having our otherwise lazy reserves keep training year-round is one way to ensure a strong set of backups and increase competition for national team spots.

Contracting a hundred odd players across the country is also a good start. Salaries will increase steadily and playing domestic cricket for a living will slowly turn out to be a viable option for some of these players.

We need to revamp the school cricket system. I've lost touch - what's going on these days?

That is a very good idea to start the home and away format. In our last get together i asked Rabid Imam about it. He answered lack of ground is the main problem to start the home and away. But it looked a lame excuse to me. Easily they can make 2 group and restart the home and away.

reyme
August 8, 2012, 01:10 PM
Yes, longer version tourney can also be played at the school level and should be played as 3 day matches. Thats the place where kids can build stamina, develop discipline and enhance the desire to occupy the crease for an entire day....get some good foreign coaches too...and train the local coaches..

AsifTheManRahman
August 8, 2012, 01:14 PM
Yes, longer version tourney can also be played at the school level and should be played as 3 day matches. Thats the place where kids can build stamina, develop discipline and enhance the desire to occupy the crease for an entire day....get some good foreign coaches too...and train the local coaches..
Thursday, Friday, Saturday. That way they lose only one day of school and have enough breaks between games.

M.H.Rubel
August 8, 2012, 01:15 PM
Start Franchise based FC tournament and show the games on TV.
Also each team should have its age group teams like minor league Baseball.
Find a way to bring the crowd in the stadium at any cost..


You said about junior team? That is a very valid point. Most of the elite teams in Indian Ranji trophy have their own regional cricket board with two age level team and an academy. This is the place India is far about us.
To start a franchise base F C tournament is not an easy job.

reyme
August 8, 2012, 01:15 PM
That is a very good idea to start the home and away format. In our last get together i asked Rabid Imam about it. He answered lack of ground is the main problem to start the home and away. But it looked a lame excuse to me. Easily they can make 2 group and restart the home and away.

Thats why you need corporate sponsorships. Make the stadiums name after these corporation rather than some "past hero" just like what they do in the US, like Qualcomm Stadium. Lease the stadiums to these corporate owners and let them build it the way they want. They can even build new ones, if they are allowed to own the stadiums. Franchise based FC tournamant will change the complexion of the game.

M.H.Rubel
August 8, 2012, 01:30 PM
Srilanka have more interesting F C structure. Their F C is club base. They started an inter provincial tournament but that is non working lot of times.

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/SL/2011-12_SL_Premier_Championship_2011-12.html

mufi_02
August 8, 2012, 01:34 PM
SL also have a very good school cricket structure in place. Crowds come in big numbers and support the junior teams. So far, we don't have any system. NCL was established as an ICC requirement to gain Test Status.

M.H.Rubel
August 8, 2012, 01:53 PM
The structure of cricket in Pakistan

To make it as a professional, you need to play First-class cricket.

Most professional teams in Pakistan represent Pakistan companies (such as Habib Bank and Pakistan International Airlines) are known as 'departmental teams'. They play in a first class competition called Patrons Trophy. These are split into two grades.

There are also several regional professional sides taking part in the Quaid-E-Azam Trophy, this is also split into two grades.

The teams play between September and April every year.


http://www.cricketarchive.co.uk/Archive/Seasons/PAK/2011-12_PAK_Quaid-e-Azam_Trophy_2011-12.html

http://www.pitchvision.com/how-to-become-a-professional-cricketer-pakistan-edition

Ajfar
August 8, 2012, 02:04 PM
Thats why you need corporate sponsorships. Make the stadiums name after these corporation rather than some "past hero" just like what they do in the US, like Qualcomm Stadium. Lease the stadiums to these corporate owners and let them build it the way they want. They can even build new ones, if they are allowed to own the stadiums. Franchise based FC tournamant will change the complexion of the game.

But the problem is these corporations are full of chor dakats. Look at the whole BPL fiasco.

Rubu
August 8, 2012, 02:43 PM
Time, as well as many other things, is a factor here. They are playing test for ages, and ours is only 12 years old. It will take time for us to get to their level of structure. But even so, it could have/should have been better than what it is.

M.H.Rubel
August 8, 2012, 02:58 PM
Now my observations regarding F C in continent:
1. India and Srilanka have around 100 F C matches last year. Pakistan had around 170 F C matches last year.
2. India have 27 F C teams. Srilanka 20 teams. Pakistan had around 40 teams.
In Bangladesh picture is really poor. We have only 7 fc teams and we played only 22 fc matches. Last year around 140 players played F C cricket in Bangladesh. Where as in India, Pakistan and Srilanka 500+ players played F C cricket.

M.H.Rubel
August 8, 2012, 03:08 PM
Time, as well as many other things, is a factor here. They are playing test for ages, and ours is only 12 years old. It will take time for us to get to their level of structure. But even so, it could have/should have been better than what it is.

Dear Rubu, I agree with you. We will be behind the sub continental teams, we do agree with that. But we are thousand mile apart from not only India but also Pakistan and Srilanka. Pakistan played 173 fc matches last year and Srilanka played around 100, where as we played only 22?
i don't think B C B is too poor than Srilanka and Pakistan board.

Gowza
August 8, 2012, 07:22 PM
cricket board just hasn't bothered improving it, the franchise idea for FC cricket is interesting, i wouldn't mind seeing that being given ago, it's not like they trying anything else.

dash
August 8, 2012, 07:55 PM
its not about quantity rather quality...our 1st class cricket is more like a picnic event....with little money and inadequate facility......the thing to remember is most 1st class players wont make the national team but their quality is vital to test out the ones who make it to the national team and these playrers who doesnt make it, makes a living playing the dpl not the ncl ...in essence having more players and more teams is not the cure rather having quality competition between the teams and within teams for places is the need and another important thing are the pitches which needs to have variation- some venues having pace, some having runs and not just slow and low turners...but the sad part is the authority knows the illness and the cure but there are no visible efforts ...

Gowza
August 8, 2012, 08:54 PM
i think both quality and quantity are equally important. the quality has to be there and currently it isn't, possibly a franchise system will improve the quality as the places available for each franchise will hot up and players will get more motivated and perform better and improve. but definitely there needs to be a good amount of 4-day games played, experience in different match situations is vital, learning the trade, what to do when, when to attack, when to hold off, these are things players can only learn during a match and thus match play/quantity is important.

some teams got 7 matches last NCL season, others got 10, we need those numbers to rise to 14-20 matches a season.

M.H.Rubel
August 9, 2012, 02:02 AM
its not about quantity rather quality...our 1st class cricket is more like a picnic event....with little money and inadequate facility......the thing to remember is most 1st class players wont make the national team but their quality is vital to test out the ones who make it to the national team and these playrers who doesnt make it, makes a living playing the dpl not the ncl ...in essence having more players and more teams is not the cure rather having quality competition between the teams and within teams for places is the need and another important thing are the pitches which needs to have variation- some venues having pace, some having runs and not just slow and low turners...but the sad part is the authority knows the illness and the cure but there are no visible efforts ...

Basically FC cricket is the main professional cricket.But here DPL is the main professional one.In India provincial cricket is the main professional cricket and BCB is trying to follow the indian format.In contrary both pakistan and Srilanka have different format. club cricket is the main FC in srilanka and pakistan have a mixed type culture where both regional and service clubs both take part.
If Bangladesh can make a structure like India that is good.But for last 12 years we are trying to follow the same format and failed to make a competitive FC cricket.In this case we can think like Pakistan.Where both regional plus clubs take part in FC matches. In Bangladesh whatever the sports is its tough to think a sport without clubs.We can use their overwhelming money power.We have 7 divisional teams+5 teams from DPL=12 teams.They cane make a two tyre home and away tournament.This format will bring more competitiveness and money thats for sure.

M.H.Rubel
August 9, 2012, 02:20 AM
i think both quality and quantity are equally important. the quality has to be there and currently it isn't, possibly a franchise system will improve the quality as the places available for each franchise will hot up and players will get more motivated and perform better and improve. but definitely there needs to be a good amount of 4-day games played, experience in different match situations is vital, learning the trade, what to do when, when to attack, when to hold off, these are things players can only learn during a match and thus match play/quantity is important.

some teams got 7 matches last NCL season, others got 10, we need those numbers to rise to 14-20 matches a season.

I dont think total number of FC matches is a big issue.Last year both indian and srilankan players played around 10 FC matches per head where as we played 8/9 matches.I think main issue is quality and domestic structure.Indian cricketers start to play longer version from school cricket. They have U-19 longer version tournament,Every state team have their Senior,intermediate and junior team. These are the things those are paying for INDIA.
We need to restart the school cricket,every division should have their academy and junior team with a junior level longer version match.

jeesh
August 9, 2012, 03:07 AM
Sri Lanka cricket would be thrilled to see so much praise for its first class structure. Actually they are thinking of scrapping the existing competition. In fact this restructuring of their first class competition will be one of the roles played by Haroon Lorgat who they hired as a consultant. Sure first class cricket has a role, but there are other things too which has propelled Sri Lanka-school cricket, high quality coaches, sporting wickets, playing throughout the country, youth recruitment etc. A simple example young 12-13 year old school boys play 3-4 day matches. A small 5'3 or 5'4 seamer bowls with 3-4 slips. Can you imagine this in our school cricket? Sri Lankans have strong basics from an early age. Whereas our head coach has to teach basics to our players!

BD can improve its domestic structure with a few tweaks. We dont need a revolution. For starters make it more competitive, give it more following (show it on tv), put the players under the limelight. Make it compulsory for each division side to have an Under 19 team and run a tournament for them parallely. Have more sporting wickets. Allow each team to have 1-2 foreigners (Who can bring in valuable experience). A few small changes can make a huge difference. We saw how BPL changed the attitude and confidence of our players. Now imagine having something similar run for 6-7 months of the year. No need to make it so high profile and glamorous.

playmaker
August 9, 2012, 03:43 AM
I dont think we have time to bother about quality, because its not like our cricketing calender is field with tournaments and tournaments. We need a lot more matches.

THE MORE YOU PLAY THE MORE YOU LEARN.

Gowza
August 9, 2012, 05:46 AM
I dont think total number of FC matches is a big issue.Last year both indian and srilankan players played around 10 FC matches per head where as we played 8/9 matches.I think main issue is quality and domestic structure.Indian cricketers start to play longer version from school cricket. They have U-19 longer version tournament,Every state team have their Senior,intermediate and junior team. These are the things those are paying for INDIA.
We need to restart the school cricket,every division should have their academy and junior team with a junior level longer version match.

keep in mind BD plays a lot less test matches per year than most other test nations for example in the last 12 months BD has played only 4 test matches, sri lanka has played 14, india 9, NZ 9, Aus 14, Eng 12, pakistan 12, RSA 10, WI 13, even zimbabwe have played 3 and they only started playing again at the end of july.

even if we say they play a comparable amount domestically, they definitely don't internationally and that makes a big difference. BD players if for no other reason need more domestic FC matches because they aren't getting them internationally so to be properly/better prepared for the few tests they get they need to be playing more 4-day matches domestically or against national A teams or associates but not many of those are organsied either.

as i said it's a combination of both quality and quantity. with more quantity can bring more quality as i said earlier the more match practice for different situations is what helps a player learn how to deal with it all so the more they play (quantity) the better they get at it (comes the quality).

M.H.Rubel
August 9, 2012, 12:45 PM
The thing which is most disappointing is number of FC players. We have less than 150 FC players its just funny.A test playing country have less than 150 FC players is just funny.In comparison to it All sub continental teams have >500 players.We play onlyy 22 FC matches per year is also funny.We need to play 100 matches per year like India and srilanka.
I hope from this year we will increase he number of our matches.

al Furqaan
August 9, 2012, 01:57 PM
Increasing number of players is not the answer. If we have limited talent at a pool of 150, we'll have even less at 300. Also, India and Pakistan have dozens of first class teams and even if they play more matches, per team or per player, they probably play around what we do. That being said, they got Test status 60-80 years ago...we need to have more matches with the same number of players/teams that we do. Matches need to continue despite having international series, and we need to forget about all these premier leagues...DPL, BPL (which is dead at least).

I'm glad the A team did poorly in India. BCB needs a kick in the balls, but being the castrated shamless fools they are, they probably won't care.

Gowza
August 9, 2012, 07:52 PM
to fix the FC system we have to ask which are the most competitive, most successful comps in the country. then we ask, why are they so competitive and successful? that could be the answer to improving the FC competition. anyway we should have multiple FC comps every year. even if there is just one state/province/city/club/A grade/1st grade (whatever you want to call it) comp per year, there should be 2nd XI comps, within those states/provinces/clubs/cities. then below that should be a number of tournament with a number of levels (A grade, B grade, C grade etc) that push through the talent to the states/provinces etc. on top of that have a great school system, do age groups for the states/provinces/cities (u15s, u17s u19s, u23s).

players need to move from level to level so once they dominate one level, they move to the next, then when they can do that level go on up again. but quality consistent results to be achievable from level to level. there is no point of the next level being way to hard for the new guy to compete in, you need to create more levels where the quality of cricket gradually gets better level to level otherwise it's to hard for players to improve. some players can do it, the prodigiously talented ones, but mosst will need the support of those extra levels to improve their games.

M.H.Rubel
August 10, 2012, 01:17 PM
Onk din por akta thread korlam. Thread ta ki phail maelo naki ?

Dhakablues
August 10, 2012, 07:06 PM
The reason our Domestic structure is bad is due to indecisions by BCB. It seems like all decisions are made in BCB by only 4-5 people and they are juggling with everything than letting the professionals running them. We stop our NCL for 2 months just because there was a dispute over a retired Pakistani player. We also postponed FC cricket to allow a whimsically initiated T20 league run by trading agencies, battery makers and some unknown dis-reputed management..

It isnt about the stadiums because ALL major 32 districts of Bangladesh do have more than one stadiums or a school that can be used for cricket ground. It isnt about the crowd because Bogura Chandu Stadium is filled with even U-19 Papua New Guinea matches. It isnt about corporate sponsorship or money because BCB has 650 crores in their bank deposit this year.

Its all about having the right 'Thinking' professional like Macky Dudhia to be in the right position than the same lame Enayetullah, Gazi Lipu, Sajjad Bobi like folks do EVERY SINGLE events related to cricket..

all_rounder
August 12, 2012, 07:43 AM
Its a valid question you have. It should be of genuine concern if we were any other country. But I am grateful for what we have. To hope for anything better in Bangladesh is wishful thinking.

The is no board or administration in Bangaldesh that can get anything right. And Im not talking about just sports. Its all about corruption and power.

M.H.Rubel
August 12, 2012, 11:14 AM
Well lot of suggestions have come. But one thing is sure that is we play very little number of F C matches and number of player pool is very small. Its not a tough job to increase number of matches. I hope this year in F C we will see more matches.

Gowza
August 13, 2012, 02:10 AM
More one-day cricket has improved BD in the one-day game, so why don't they just schedule more games? At the very least schedule more 4-day cricket for the A team.