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Zunaid
September 4, 2012, 08:39 AM
Everyone has done the all time all time XIs at some point or the other. Here is the place for it and more.

So Sohel asked - what's your all time subcontinent XI? Lay out the roster here.

And as we exhaust one category, one can always create more creative ones.

All time Bombay XI. All time mustachioed XI. All time banned XI. All time Southern Hemisphere XI.

So on so forth.

zinatf
September 4, 2012, 08:46 AM
All-time Asia XI

Saeed Anwar
Sachin Tandulkar
Mahela Jayawardene
Rahul Dravid
Javed Miandad
Kumar Sangakkara (WK)
Imran Khan (C)
Shakib Al Hasan
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Muttiah Muralitharan

Sohel
September 4, 2012, 09:00 AM
ATG Indian Subcontinent Test XI

1. Sourav Ganguly (C)
2. Sachin Tendulkar
3. Rahul Dravid (in the Subcontinent)/VVS Laxman (outside the Subcontinent)
4. Mahela Jayawardene
5. Javed Miandad
6. Aravinda de Silva
7. Kumar Sangakkara (WK)
8. Shakib Al Hasan (in the Subcontinent)/Imran Khan (outside the Subcontinent)
9. Wasim Akram
10. Waqar Younis
11. Muttiah Muralitharan

Sohel
September 4, 2012, 09:21 AM
ATG Indian Subcontinent ODI XI

1. Sachin Tendulkar
2. Sanath Jayasuriya
3. Saeed Anwar
4. Aravinda de Silva
5. Javed Miandad (C)
6. Kumar Sangakkara (WK)
7. Yuvraj Singh
8. Shakib Al Hasan (in the Subcontinent)/Imran Khan (outside the Subcontinent)
9. Wasim Akram
10. Waqar Younis
11. Muttiah Muralitharan

BrianLara7
September 4, 2012, 09:39 AM
ATG Indian Subcontinent Test XI

1. Sourav Ganguly (C)
2. Sachin Tendulkar
3. Rahul Dravid (in the Subcontinent)/VVS Laxman (outside the Subcontinent)
4. Mahela Jayawardene
5. Javed Miandad
6. Aravinda de Silva
7. Kumar Sangakkara (WK)
8. Shakib Al Hasan (in the Subcontinent)/Imran Khan (outside the Subcontinent)
9. Wasim Akram
10. Waqar Younis
11. Muttiah Muralitharan

I am sorry brother but Sourav ganguly at best was a decent test player as his average of 40 suggests, Sunil gavaskar is unarguably the greatest test opener to have emerged from the subcontinent and considered as one of the greatest batsmen ever.

BrianLara7
September 4, 2012, 09:42 AM
All time Asia test XI is dominated by Indian batsmen and Pakistani bowler/ all rounder. Only sri lankans would be Murali and Sanga.
Hopefully Shakib will be in there by the time he is done

AsifTheManRahman
September 4, 2012, 10:22 AM
All Time Subcontinent/Asia XI - Tests

1. Sunil Gavaskar
2. Sachin Tendulkar
3. Rahul Dravid
4. VVS Laxman
5. Mahela Jayawardene
6. Kumar Sangakkara (wk)
7. Imran Khan (c)
8. Wasim Akram
9. Chaminda Vaas
10. Waqar Younis
11. Muttiah Muralitharan

Only one spinner, YEAH!

Ajfar
September 4, 2012, 10:31 AM
^ That's my squad too. For ODI I would switch out Laxman for Arvinda D Silva/Ranatunga

roman
September 4, 2012, 10:49 AM
Subcontinent test XI

1 Gavaskar
2 Tendulkar
3 Dravid
4 Miandad
5 Arvinda De Silva
6 Sangakkara (wk)
7 Imran Khan (c)
8 Wasim Akram
9 Waqar
10 Shoaib Akhter
11 Muralitharan

ODI XI

1 Saeed Anwar
2 Jayasuria
3 Tendulkar
4 Inzamam ul Haq
5 Sangakkara
6 Shakib al Hasan
7 Imran Khan
8 Wasim Akram
9 Waqar
10 Muralitharan
11 Vaas

AsifTheManRahman
September 4, 2012, 10:50 AM
All Time Subcontinent/Asia XI: ODIs

1. Sachin Tendulkar
2. Sanath Jayasuriya
3. Virat Kohli
4. Aravinda de Silva
5. Inzamam-ul-Haq
6. Mahendra Dhoni (wk)
7. Imran Khan (c)
8. Wasim Akram
9. Chaminda Vaas
10. Waqar Younis
11. Muttiah Muralitharan

Only one spinner, YEAH!

AsifTheManRahman
September 4, 2012, 10:54 AM
^ That's my squad too. For ODI I would switch out Laxman for Arvinda D Silva/Ranatunga
de Silva yes, but I don't know about a few of the others. As you can see, I've handed the chop to Dravid, Sanga and Jaya for (IMO) superior batsmen in this format. Kohli gets in because he will be greater than many subcontinent batsmen by the end of his career.

AsifTheManRahman
September 4, 2012, 11:16 AM
Kapil Dev, while a very good medium fast bowler (the pioneer of genuine pace bowling - as opposed to gentle leg cutters - in India), doesn't make the cut ahead of Imran. Saeed Ajmal also falls short, because no one is greater than Murali. All this for Tests and ODIs of course.

Kohli_Sox
September 4, 2012, 01:25 PM
ATG Asia Test XI

1. Sunil Gavaskar
2. Hanif Mohammad
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5. Javed Miandad
6. Kumar Sangakkara+
7. Imran Khan*
8. Wasim Akram
9. Waqar Younis
10. Fazal Mahmood
11. Muttiah Muralitharan

Sehwag to be 12th man and very hard exclusion. Sunil Gavaskar has to be an automatic choice for Asia All Time Test XI. Now I don't know why Hanif Mohammad is so overlooked. Hanif Mohammad is one of the best openers for Pakistan imo. As much as I like Saeed Anwar but Hanif Mohammad edges him comfortably. Not to forget Hanif Mohammad's marathon triple century to save the game against West Indies. Next Rahul Dravid and Sachin Tendulkar also automatic choices in Asia Test XI. The next spot at no 5 is also a crucial selection. Javed Miandad is the best bat for Pakistan, can't leave him out. Therefore he edges over Inzamam and Yousuf.

Now another dilemma at no 6 spot. I don't particularly like the fact Sangakkara keeping over a genuine keeper because Sanga's batting generally gets affected if he also has to bat. He avergaes around 42 with keeping duties which boosts to over 60 when he doesn't have to keep, but for lack of room in XI, Sanga has to do both here and not depending on Sanga much with batting as the guys above him already likely to make over 500 runs (biased opinion I know). Then only one room for all rounder which goes to Imran Khan over Kapil Dev. Now the bowler selection is pretty easy with Wasim and Waqar there.

Another spot I couldn't leave Fazal Mahmood. Fazal Mahmood was the one who started the pace bowling trend esp for sub continent. A bowler with genuine swing and pace. The guy literally destroyed half of the batting line up half of the time he played. Outstanding hold of 13 five fers and 4 ten fers with economy rate of 2??!! One of my all time heroes. Then spinner, Muttiah Muralitharan, no need to say anything about him. So that pretty much completes my All Time Asia Test XI.

Honourable Mentions:

Batsman: Vijay Hazare
Bowler: Anil Kumbe
Wicket keeper: Farokh Engineer

(Shakib will be right up there by the time he finishes his career)

AsifTheManRahman
September 4, 2012, 01:38 PM
Hey Kohli Sucks, Hanif Mohammad and Fazal Mahmood are very good picks.

Kohli_Sox
September 4, 2012, 01:55 PM
Hey Kohli Sucks, Hanif Mohammad and Fazal Mahmood are very good picks.

Thanks!

Gowza
September 4, 2012, 06:52 PM
yeah wasim, waqar and murali are auto picks. gavaskar is an auto pick, i wouldn't open with tendulkar in tests so probably anwar or sehwag would be the 2nd opener. 1st down is clearly between dravid and sanga but unless you want dhoni keeping sanga has to be in the team as keeper so dravid is 1st drop. tendulkar at #4, the #5 spot can go to a lot of different people: miandad, yousuf, inzi, de silva, mahela, younis khan #6 goes to sanga. #7 goes to shakib, #8 imran #9 wasim #10 waqar #11 murali

if you don't want a 5th bowling option (outside of tendulkar and similar) then one of miandad, yousuf, younis khan, de silva, inzi, mahela can bat at #6, sanga can drop to #7 then shakib makes way so imran at #8 wasim at #9 waqar at #10 murali at #11

1 gavaskar
2 anwar/sehwag
3 david
4 tendulkar
5 miandad/inzi/de silva/yousuf/khan/mahela
6 sanga
7 shakib
8 imran
9 wasim
10 waqar
11 murali

i guess you could also pick another specialist spinner infront of shakib, qadir, saqlain, bedi etc but i'm not sure it would make to much difference since you already have imran, wasim, waqar and murali and shakib is as good as most of the next best specialist spinners anyway.

Zunaid
September 4, 2012, 09:27 PM
All time mustachioed 11

1. David Boon
2. Graham Gooch
3. Brian Lara
5. Allan Border
6. Javed Miandad
7. Rod Marsh (wk)
8. Ian Botham
9. Kapil Dev
10. Andy Roberts
11. Richard Hadley

12th Man Merv Hughes. Just for that bloody mustache.

I had to sit out so many greats. Lloyd, Border, Rice (the entire Indian and Pakistani teams of the 60s and 70s) et al

Gowza
September 4, 2012, 09:42 PM
All time mustachioed 11

1. David Boon
2. Graham Gooch
3. Brian Lara
5. Allan Border
6. Javed Miandad
7. Rod Marsh (wk)
8. Ian Botham
9. Kapil Dev
10. Andy Roberts
11. Richard Hadley

12th Man Merv Hughes. Just for that bloody mustache.

I had to sit out so many greats. Lloyd, Border, Rice (the entire Indian and Pakistani teams of the 60s and 70s) et al

mate you have border at #5. quality team, clive lloyd a shout due to his captaincy ability, does malcolm marshall count as a mustache? and dennis lillee has to be up there to. what about spinners? bedi who else...

Dilscoop
September 4, 2012, 10:57 PM
LOL @ all the biased buffoons mentioning Shakib's name among those other legends and HOFers. As soon as I saw the title I went straight to facepalm mode knowing how people in this forum would just jerk up Shakib's name in there.

Zunaid
September 4, 2012, 11:04 PM
mate you have border at #5. quality team, clive lloyd a shout due to his captaincy ability, does malcolm marshall count as a mustache? and dennis lillee has to be up there to. what about spinners? bedi who else...

Aye. Forgot Lloyd and Lillee. See how tough it is? You can probably make two all time hirsute 11s.

Sohel
September 5, 2012, 01:23 AM
Aye. Forgot Lloyd and Lillee. See how tough it is? You can probably make two all time hirsute 11s.

ATG Long Bearded Test XI:

1. WG Grace (C, because WG secretly stands for Wahidul Gani. He pulled a Neil Armstrong before Neil was born and became a key part of the faked moon landing.)
2. Saeed Anwar (Imam)
3. Hashim Amla
4. Moeen Ali
5. Inzamamul Haq (WK)
6. Mohammad Yusuf
7. Mehrab Hossain "Jr"
8. Mohammad Sohrawardi
9. Saqlain Mushtaq
10. Mushtaq Ahmed
11. Waqar Younis

Zunaid
September 5, 2012, 01:47 AM
ATG Long Bearded Test XI:

1. WG Grace (C, because WG secretly stands for Wahidul Gani. He pulled a Neil Armstrong before Neil was born and became a key part of the faked moon landing.)
2. Saeed Anwar (Imam)
3. Hashim Amla
4. Moeen Ali
5. Inzamamul Haq (WK)
6. Mohammad Yusuf
7. Mehrab Hossain "Jr"
8. Mohammad Sohrawardi
9. Saqlain Mushtaq
10. Mushtaq Muhammad
11. Waqar Younis

Bravo! Pictures please.

Sohel
September 5, 2012, 02:11 AM
Bravo! Pictures please.

1. http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/14200/14265.player.jpg
Wahidul Gani Grace

2. http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2010/2/26/1267176294099/Saeed-Anwar-001.jpg
Saeed Anwar

3. http://newspaper.li/static/8d3ce2bede9abd2c248744988dc09b3c.jpg
Hashim Amla

4. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EqK9xqdGgTc/S_jHsMzNvII/AAAAAAAAA1U/XpQ874ngfi0/s1600/mo.jpg
Moeen Ali

5.http://www.topnews.in/sports/files/Inzamam%20ul%20Haq.jpg
Inzamamul Haq (WK)

6. http://topnews.in/sports/files/Mohammad-Yousuf_8.jpg
Mohammad Yusuf

7. http://s15.postimage.org/vrg0pjay3/mehrab.jpg
Mehrab Hossain "Jr" (Maybe Rifat can post a more up to date Facebook picture with a longer beard?)

8. http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/128600/128613.jpg
Mohammad Sohrawardi

9. http://topnews.in/sports/files/Saqlain-Mushtaq-1.jpg
Saqlain Mushtaq

10. http://topnews.in/sports/files/Mushtaq-Ahmed.jpg
Mushtaq Ahmed

11. http://www.pakpassion.net/images/cms_thumbs/waqar_pic_small.jpg
Waqar Younis (Not sure about the length of his beard now. Maybe Rifat can shed some light?)

Zunaid
September 5, 2012, 02:17 AM
Well, looking at Amla, I'm tempted to do a bald atg XI.

Sohel
September 5, 2012, 02:19 AM
Well, looking at Amla, I'm tempted to do a bald atg XI.

Now that's a challenge without the aid of Adobe or Corel if you're doing bald and long bearded, unless you have access to CIA's satellite pics. Simply bald can be done. Here's your top 3:

1. Herschelle Gibbs
2. Sanath Jayasuriya
3. Hashim Amla

Zunaid
September 5, 2012, 02:31 AM
No. Just bald. Not bald and bearded nor completely depilated.

Zeeshan
September 5, 2012, 02:36 AM
Try All-time Spectacled XI

[...plugging my blog for inspiration. (http://cricketmuseum.wordpress.com/2012/06/22/of-vision/)..]

Sohel
September 5, 2012, 03:58 AM
How about ATG LHBs Test XI (yes, one can include LHBs like Chis Gayle who bowl right handed).

Kohli_Sox
September 5, 2012, 02:53 PM
ATG Left Handed Test XI

1. Arthur Morris
2. Matthew Hayden
3. Neil Harvey
4. Graeme Pollock
5. Brian Lara
6. Sir Garfield Sobers
7. Adam Gilchrist+
8. Wasim Akram
9. Alan Davidson
10. Wilfred Rhodes
11. Bill Johnston

Allan Border, Kumar Sangakkara and Derek Underwood just misses out. In swinging conditions, Bill Lawry to replace Hayden

Ajfar
September 5, 2012, 04:02 PM
How about all time Ashraful XI? (Players that had lots of potential, but very little output)

Zeeshan
September 11, 2012, 03:15 AM
All Time Triple Threats XI (those who scored Test triple)

1. DG Bradman
2. Hutton /don't know him though up close and personal
3. Brian Lara
4. Gayle
5. Jayasuria
6. Sehwag
7. Amla
8. Jaywardena
9. Sandham
10. Inzamam
11. Clarke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Test_cricket_triple_centuries

I just realized Tendulkar doesn't have a triple :shakibsmile:

Sohel
September 11, 2012, 05:29 AM
^No Sir Vivian Richards?!?

Zeeshan
September 11, 2012, 10:19 AM
^No Sir Vivian Richards?!?


Sir Viv Richards' top score was 291 in International Test. But I did miss Garry Sobers.

AsifTheManRahman
September 11, 2012, 11:02 AM
Hayden should be in the list, I think he has the second highest score in Tests, after Lara.

Zeeshan
September 11, 2012, 12:09 PM
Hayden should be in the list, I think he has the second highest score in Tests, after Lara.

He is, but you can only pick so many. So I picked Clarke. He is a good batsman.

Gowza
September 12, 2012, 07:56 PM
all time australia xi

1 hayden
2 taylore/simpson/ponsford (can't pick between these 3)
3 bradman
4 g.chappell
5 s.waugh
6 miller
7 gilchrist
8 warne
9 o'reilly
10 lillee
11 mcgrath

thought about davidson or lindwall to be there over mcgrath as both are ok bats and davidson is also a left hander but being that it's an all time great team that has genuine batsmen down to 7 and warne at 8 who is ok i figure no need for extra batting, imo mcgrath is a far better bowling option than them. lillee gets in with his strike rate, completeness and his match winning ability.

warne gets in as he's consider by many to be the greatest spinner ever, o'reilly gets in because he was amazing and bradman says he was the best he ever saw or faced against and he bowled quite fast, similar bowler to barnes. jack iverson was a thought though.

for me hayden is a must, can't leave him out as he averages 50, great slipper to. tough to pick between taylor, simpson and ponsofrd. ponsford had a ridiculous FC record, 65 average, and a 48 test average as an opener is great. simpson had a 46 test average (closing in on 47), was a great captain, a great slipper and could bowl leg spin (actually when he was first selected is was as an allrounder). taylor considered by many the greatest aussie test captain ever, one of the best slippers ever but his batting average is slightly less at 43. btw as opener simpson averaged 55, he didn't always bat as opener.

bradman of course picks himself, chappell was one of the greatest batsmen of all time and was a total match winner with his flashy attacking shots, steve waugh was probably the best test #5 ever. all of them were aussie captains.

miller gets in as one of the best allrounders ever, a great fielder, a match winner. his bowling record speaks for itself, he was genuinely quick when he wanted to be and an average of under 22 and had a knack of getting the best batsmen out. the contraversial thing about miller is that he didn't always try that hard which makes him in one way a great pick and in another way a bad pick. when he tried he was as good as anyone with both bat and ball, a match winner in every sense and way (bowling, batting fielding, team morale booster), but there were times where he just didn't try, one of the most common examples was when he came into bat in one match and australia were completely dominating and he let himself get bowled first ball because he didn't like annihilating opposition. on the bowling side of things my dad always tells me a story where he turned up hung over and didn't feel like playing, they were bowling first and he wanted them out by lunch to get it done and dusted and he ripped through them with 7 wickets that morning. bad thing is if he decides not to try then you're stuffed, though most likely he'll only do that if the team is smashing the opposition so in that sense he'll always give it his all when it's really needed.

gilchrist like bradman is self-picked imo. people say it's an all time team you don't need a keeper for batting so pick one for their glove work. i don't care what anyone says gilchrist was a terrific keeper, on top of that he could change a test match with his bat in 20 minutes something which is a rare trait even for all time great batsmen and he does it averaging 47, i mean think about it 17 test tons, and 26 half centuries as a #7, strike rate of nearly 82. basically his batting is on par with all time great batsmen and on top of that his keeping is almost up there with all time great glovemen, he kept to warne which would have been one of the toughest tasks in cricket history. oh and something people have probably forgotten but he actually did captain australia in test cricket.

Dilscoop
September 12, 2012, 08:22 PM
For the next rounds lets go by decades or era.

Lets do a Pre-ODI era, ODI era/modern era, and invention of T20 era (which will obviously be the weakest as it is still in progress).

Navo
September 13, 2012, 04:39 AM
I like the lists on this thread. You know how many people know about Sir Viv or Imran Khan or Gary Sobers without being particularly well informed or passionate about cricket? Which of the current cricketers do you think will have such an impression on the lay public 20 years from now?

AsifTheManRahman
September 13, 2012, 08:16 AM
Gowza, no Allan Border? Or Ricky Ponting? Guess he loses out to Don Bradman?
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Gowza
September 13, 2012, 08:48 AM
Gowza, no Allan Border? Or Ricky Ponting? Guess he loses out to Don Bradman?
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yeah ponting misses out because of bradman, border is probably interchangeable with s.waugh i guess but personally i prefer waugh, they would be batting at #5 or #6, border (ave 52) is better at #6 than waugh (ave 49) but waugh (ave 56) is better than border (ave 52) at #5.

unless you drop miller but then you are a bowler short imo, for an all time team it's best to have 5 genuine bowling options if possible so dropping miller means just 4 bowling options.

but if you are fine with just 4 bowling options then miller can be changed for border.

AsifTheManRahman
September 13, 2012, 10:21 AM
Border was a decent ODI bowler and handy, but not great, in Tests. If you pick Waugh and Border, they can share 5th bowler responsibilities. I guess Miller gets the chop in that case.

This is for Tests right?

Gowza
September 13, 2012, 10:33 AM
yeah it's for tests, personally i wouldn't feel comfortable with border and waugh as my fifth bowling option in tests, miller gets in because he's one of the best fast bowlers ever and was a genuine batsman, i feel you lose more with border/waugh as the fifth bowling option than miller being a top 6 bat mainly because miller had the capability of being a genuine bat and did play many great innings whereas neither waugh nor border can pass as a genuine bowler. in ODIs they wouldn't be so bad but in tests, i need a better fifth bowler.

BrianLara7
September 13, 2012, 11:43 AM
No offense but there can be no Australian all time test xi without Allan border. This guy picked them up from the shambles they used to be pre 87 world cup and turned them into world beaters and was the main reason that Australia was probably the greatest team ever and dominated in the 90's and 00's. He is massively underrated by all except his contemporaries, Steve waugh and Mark taylor themselves would admit that they owe much of their success to AB. Averaging 50 while playing in the 80's was one of the toughest tasks in cricket, only couple of other batsman have done it, combined with his unbelievable average outside Australia which was even better than his average at home.

Gowza
September 13, 2012, 12:54 PM
the 90s was also an extremely tough era to bat with so many great fast bowling attacks: waqar and wasim. walsh, ambrose, bishop. pollock, donald, de villiers. angus fraser and darren gough. streak. and australia had mcgrath, gillespie and mcdermott though obviously the aussie batsmen didn't face these guys in internationals. pakistan, WI, SA and australia all had incredible attacks in the 90s. add warne, murali, saqlain and kumble to those fast bowling units and batsmen had a pretty tough tim in the 90s.

Gowza
September 16, 2012, 10:45 AM
WI all time XI

1 greenidge
2 hunte
3 headley
4 lara/worrell/weekes/kanhai
5 viv richards
6 sobers
7 walcott
8 marshall
9 holding
10 ambrose
11 garner/gibbs

i think the WI XI is possibly the most straight forward one to select. hunte and greendige are their 2 best openers, the other contenders being fredericks and haynes. headley undoubtedly their best #3. lara gets the #4 spot, averaged 60 there, though he was best at #3 you can't move headley from the #3 spot. viv takes the #5 spot, he was best at #3 like lara but as said can't move headley, #5 was his next best spot. sobers at #6. walcott is their best keeper batsman. then a 4 man pace attack most likely, gibbs if you want a spinner. sobers can chip in with the ball both pace and spin. 5 genuine bowling options with sobers and either 4 pacers or 3 pacers and a spinner. 7 genuine batsmen with walcott at #7 and marshall being decent at #8.

thebest
September 20, 2012, 06:57 AM
ATG Indian Subcontinent Test XI

1. Sourav Ganguly (C)
2. Sachin Tendulkar
3. Rahul Dravid (in the Subcontinent)/VVS Laxman (outside the Subcontinent)
4. Mahela Jayawardene
5. Javed Miandad
6. Aravinda de Silva
7. Kumar Sangakkara (WK)
8. Shakib Al Hasan (in the Subcontinent)/Imran Khan (outside the Subcontinent)
9. Wasim Akram
10. Waqar Younis
11. Muttiah Muralitharan
Sohel bhai,
This is surprising selection from a cricket sage like you and who did not grown up in internet age. Ganguly would not get a place in Indian all time test XI let SubContinent one and Dravid is better player in overseas condition then in subcontinent. Jaya as graceful player as he, but a FTB; Non Subcontinental test team could be without Hanif Md and Sunny.
My team would consist 2 opener, 3 middle order, 1 Wk (does not matter whether he could bat or not), 1 all rounder, 3 pacer and 1 spinner.
for opener there is no choice
1. Hanif mohammad and 2. S Gavasker. Honorable mention Shehwag and Watemuny
The most headache is middle order and two place is certainly occupy. those are tendy and miandad. For the remaining spot the contenders are Dravid, J Abbas, De Silva, Mendis, Sangakara, Youhanna, Vishy, Vengsarker, Laxman, Ganguly. My sentimental favorite would is Silva/ Abbas just the openers are accumulators. However the logical choice is Dravid. Sub continent has only 2 worthy all rounders - Kapil and Imran and the choice is simple. I belive Sakib has not yet reach their levels. As Imran is pace bowler we could play two spinners. The contenders - Murali, Qadir, Kumble, Indian famous quartet, Sakib and Saqlain. My picks are Murali and Qadir. Akram is sure shot for pacer position. For the other contenders are waqar, shoib, srinath, the tainted asif and Sarfaraz Newaz. As I could not decide between waqar and shoib I would let you decide. The W/K position is a tussle between W Bari and Kirmani. I am going againest the bald headed because of Bari's experience against quality fast bowler . So my all time sub continental XI in batting order
1. Gavasker
2. Hanif
3. Dravid
4. Tendy
5. Miandad
6. Imran
7. Bari
8. Akram
9. Waqar
10.Qadir
11. Murali

Gowza
September 20, 2012, 08:20 AM
i think imran batting at #6 in an all time team makes the batting a bit weak, especially with bari batting at #7....if sangakkara doesn't make it as the #3 he should make it as the keeper imo. shakib is a great option even in an all time team because he can be a great #7/8/9 and is also a quality spinner. with shakib in the team and imran then you can have terrific depth in the batting and a bowling attack as good as any.

if you have sanga as your keeper then he can bat at #6, he averages 40+ as a keeper in 81 innings, 7 centuries, 11 half centuries. sanga playing as keeper in tests batted at #3 most of the time and actually averaged over 44 batting at #3 while keeping wicket so although he might not have been the best of the best glovemen i think his keeping skills were pretty good and his batting far outweighs any improvement on glovework that bari offered.

so your lower order would look like this:

1
2
3
4
5
6 sangakkara
7 shakib/imran
8 imran/imran
9 wasim
10 waqar
11 murali

in that you get a stronger #6 than imran, you're #7 is exceptionally good for a #7, you're #8 is probably the best #8 ever, you have wasim at #9 which would probably mean you have the best #9 ever. then bowling wise you get 3 all time great pacemen, one of the greatest spinners ever and another spinner who's right up there.

i do see the logic in having 2 all time great spinners but having imran at #6 weakens the batting a lot, it's alright for a normal XI to have your #6 average 37 but in an all time team it's a bit behind par imo. plus bari being in there is a huge weakness in the batting to, he's basically a #10/#11 in quality. murali, qadir and waqar are pretty much #10s/#11s so you're basically only batting down to #7 akram would bat at #7 in that team imo then bari/waqar/qadir/murali). the batting isn't there.

plus compare shakib's bowling numbers to qadir's. qadir averages worse than shakib, their economys are about similar, but shakib has a much better strike rate. shakib also gets 3.7 wickets a match to qadir's 3.5, not to much difference there but remember shakib often doesn't get a 2nd innings to bowl in, and if he did you'd expect that wickets per match stat to go up.

Crisis
September 27, 2012, 02:56 AM
Asia All-time flops XI ?

Crisis
September 27, 2012, 03:02 AM
Asia All-time flops XI ?

1. Ashraful
2. Shahriar Nafees
3. Shahadat Hossain
4. Rakibul
5. Sunil Joshi
6. Rohan Gavaskar
7. Mehrab Hossain Snr.
8. Abul Hasan
9.Upul Chandana
10. Farhad Reza
11. Habibul Bashar ( c )

Crisis
September 27, 2012, 03:07 AM
ASIA All-time best ODI XI

1. Sachin
2. Ganguly
3. Dravid
4. Dhoni
5. Inzamam
6. Jayasuriya
7. Vaas
8. Anil Kumble
9. Wasim Akram
10. Waqar Younis
11. Muralitharan

Beat that! Funny how all of us are selecting almost the same players. Great minds think alike!

Crisis
September 27, 2012, 03:15 AM
WORLD All-time non-Asia best ODI XI

1. Ricky Ponting
2. Steve Waugh
3. Mark Boucher
4. Brian Lara
5. Andrew Flintoff
6. Chris Gayle
7. Andy Flower
8. Lance Klussener
9. Jhonty Rhodes
10. Shane Warne
11.Stephen Fleming

Can't think of any fast ballers. Brett Lee ? Pollock ?

Gowza
September 27, 2012, 04:17 AM
WORLD All-time non-Asia best ODI XI

1. Ricky Ponting
2. Steve Waugh
3. Mark Boucher
4. Brian Lara
5. Andrew Flintoff
6. Chris Gayle
7. Andy Flower
8. Lance Klussener
9. Jhonty Rhodes
10. Shane Warne
11.Stephen Fleming

Can't think of any fast ballers. Brett Lee ? Pollock ?

shaun pollock, allan donald, glenn mcgrath, dennis lillee, hadlee, marshall, holding, ambrose, roberts, garner. probably a few i've missed but plenty of fast bowlers to choose from.

btw gilchrist or dhoni for keeper spot, even sanga is a possible choice.

few qustions though, why are ponitng and steve waugh opening? why is gayle at #6? why do you have 2 keepers? why is boucher batting at #3 and fleming at #11, and jonty rhodes at #9. is this just a list or the batting order? definitely need more specialist bowlers in there.

Crisis
September 30, 2012, 12:06 PM
shaun pollock, allan donald, glenn mcgrath, dennis lillee, hadlee, marshall, holding, ambrose, roberts, garner. probably a few i've missed but plenty of fast bowlers to choose from.

btw gilchrist or dhoni for keeper spot, even sanga is a possible choice.

few qustions though, why are ponitng and steve waugh opening? why is gayle at #6? why do you have 2 keepers? why is boucher batting at #3 and fleming at #11, and jonty rhodes at #9. is this just a list or the batting order? definitely need more specialist bowlers in there.

Couldnt think of any ballers when making the list. Now that you have made some recommendations, I can go back and change the list :)

al Furqaan
November 1, 2012, 12:01 AM
All time All-rounders XI (Tests)

Kallis, Imran, Dev, Botham, Hadlee, Sobers, Pollock, Shakib, Flintoff, Broad, Vettori

1) Imran
2) Vettori
3) Sobers
4) Kallis
5) Shakib
6) Botham
7) Vettori
8) Flintoff
9) Shaun Pollock
10) Hadlee
11) Stuart Broad

Try-outs for keeper position among the XI.

BrianLara7
November 1, 2012, 11:01 AM
All time All-rounders XI (Tests)

Kallis, Imran, Dev, Botham, Hadlee, Sobers, Pollock, Shakib, Flintoff, Broad, Vettori

1) Imran
2) Vettori
3) Sobers
4) Kallis
5) Shakib
6) Botham
7) Vettori
8) Flintoff
9) Shaun Pollock
10) Hadlee
11) Stuart Broad

Try-outs for keeper position among the XI.

Shane watson- average 41 in odis with bat, 28 with with ball.
average 37 in tests with bat , 28 with ball.
One of the most destructive odi/ t20 batsman ever. And he can't get in team ahead of Shakib, Vettori, Broad, Flintoff.. LOL

AsifTheManRahman
November 1, 2012, 11:28 AM
If we're just going by stats, Chris Cairns, Sanath Jayasuriya, Kapil Dev, even Mohammad Hafeez and Shahid Afridi, to name a few, have comparable (and possibly slightly better than in some cases) stats in Tests. Shakib might have the potential to be much better, not sure. We'll see, but I don't think he's a "great" yet.

BrianLara7
November 1, 2012, 05:43 PM
If we're just going by stats, Chris Cairns, Sanath Jayasuriya, Kapil Dev, even Mohammad Hafeez and Shahid Afridi, to name a few, have comparable (and possibly slightly better than in some cases) stats in Tests. Shakib might have the potential to be much better, not sure. We'll see, but I don't think he's a "great" yet.

If it's supposed to be subjective then you can't argue any list... but stats are the only thing that can't be argued against.. and it's not just sheer numbers either.. a player with 5 thousand runs at average of 40 is significantly better in my opinion than someone with 8 thousand runs at average of 30. jayasuriya/ afridi can't stake a claim based upon their numbers in quality.. only longevity.

TimAus
November 2, 2012, 04:18 AM
All time All-rounders XI (Tests)

Kallis, Imran, Dev, Botham, Hadlee, Sobers, Pollock, Shakib, Flintoff, Broad, Vettori

1) Imran
2) Vettori
3) Sobers
4) Kallis
5) Shakib
6) Botham
7) Vettori
8) Flintoff
9) Shaun Pollock
10) Hadlee
11) Stuart Broad

Try-outs for keeper position among the XI.

You must rate Vettori highly, at number 2 and number 7. Personally I'd have: Jayasuriya, Kallis, Sobers, Miller, Imran, Dev, Botham, Greig, Procter, Benaud, Hadlee. My guess is that Sobers would keep, that guy can do anything.

Gowza
January 10, 2013, 05:34 AM
all time T20 XI

1 gayle
2 marsh
3 mccullum
4 aaron finch
5 pietersen
6 mike hussey
7 david hussey/afridi
8 swann/ajmal
9 malinga/steyn/gul
10 malinga/steyn/gul
11 mendis

One World
January 10, 2013, 12:59 PM
All time Non-English LORD's 11 - Test

Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Tamim Iqbal
Steve Waugh
Gary Sobers
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Alan Border(c)
Mohsin Khan
Dion Nash (pace-allrounder)
Makhaya Ntini
Glenn McGrath
Maninder Singh (SLA)


:waiting:

One World
January 10, 2013, 01:32 PM
ALL TIME NON-BD SBNS 11 - ODI

Saeed Anwar
Sachin Tendulkar
Mohammad Yousuf
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Andrew Flower (c)
Mark Boucher (wk)
Jacques Kallis
Abdul Razzaq
Vasbert Drakes
Azit Agarkar
Saqlain Mushtaq

(Will change with time...)

One World
January 10, 2013, 01:49 PM
all time T20 XI

1 gayle
2 marsh
3 mccullum
4 aaron finch
5 pietersen
6 mike hussey
7 david hussey/afridi
8 swann/ajmal
9 malinga/steyn/gul
10 malinga/steyn/gul
11 mendis

Narine?

mufi_02
January 10, 2013, 02:08 PM
All time Non-English LORD's 11 - Test

Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Tamim Iqbal
Steve Waugh
Gary Sobers
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Alan Border(c)
Mohsin Khan
Dion Nash (pace-allrounder)
Makhaya Ntini
Glenn McGrath
Maninder Singh (SLA)


:waiting:

Not too sure about Tamim and Ntini. Replace Ntini with Geoff Lawson.

One World
January 10, 2013, 03:55 PM
Not too sure about Tamim and Ntini. Replace Ntini with Geoff Lawson.

I am not sure about openers other than Tamim, you can consider this as a guess with less information. I think if Ntini then why not Lawson. But if we strictly go by records then none can beat the phenomenal Robert Arnold Lockyer Massie (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/6518.html)

Gowza
January 10, 2013, 04:44 PM
Narine?

narine was a thought and could possibly be in there but he has similar stats to the others. similar to mendis in general t20s but in t20Is mendis is averaging 10, 11 strike rate while narine is at an average of 18 and 17 strike rate. swann has similar bowling averages but a better batting pedigree, so that has to be considered being t20s. ajmal has similar averages but a better strike rate.

i think mendis is an auto in this format, at least going by current stats (might change as we've all seen his fall in the other formats and it could happen in t20s as well). the other spinner spot i guess is up for grabs but when you compare swann to narine you're not losing anything with the ball and getting more with the bat, whilst ajmal doesn't add with the bat but has a lot more t20 experience and comparable stats to narine.

One World
January 11, 2013, 02:42 AM
1. Ashraful
2. Shahriar Nafees
3. Shahadat Hossain
4. Rakibul
5. Sunil Joshi
6. Rohan Gavaskar
7. Mehrab Hossain Snr.
8. Abul Hasan
9.Upul Chandana
10. Farhad Reza
11. Habibul Bashar ( c )

Who is the keeper? You missed a lot of Indian greats like Mohammad Kaif, Vinod Kambli, Venkatesh Prasad etc. Few Lankans also count in, who had greater promise than Nirala, SN, Opi but failed miserably. Too many Bangladeshis, btw Bashar won't be considered a complete flop by many after leading a minnow team in 2007 QF.

Also, is it for all versions or just test/ODI/T20I?

Zeeshan
January 13, 2013, 03:48 PM
Duck XI
Habibul Bashar
Tamim Iqbal (v/c)
Mohammad Ashraful (c)
Shahriar Nafees
Khaled Mahmud
Mushfiqur Rahim (w/k)
Shafiul Islam
Tushar Imran
Abdur Razzak
Mashrafe Mortaza
Mohammad Rafique

Zeeshan
January 13, 2013, 03:49 PM
The Z XI (take that Steven Lynch!!)
<table><tbody><tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 1</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Zabid Hossain (1991- ) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/301864.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 2</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Zahid Razzak (1967- ) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56165.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 3</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Zahurul Islam, M (Zahurul Islam, 1986- ) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56170.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 4</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Zakaria Masud (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/550134.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 5</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Zakir Hasan (1972- ) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56166.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 6</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Zakir Hossain (1977- ) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56173.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 7</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Ziaul Haque (1972- ) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56171.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 8</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Ziaul Islam (1952- ) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56174.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 9</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Ziaul Islam (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/330894.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 10</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Ziaur Rahman (1986- ) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56167.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 11</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Ziaur Rashid (1968- ) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56172.html)</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>

Zeeshan
January 13, 2013, 03:52 PM
The Prophetic XI

<table><tbody><tr><td class="sep" style="width:630px;"><table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 1
</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Mohammad Ashraful (1984- ) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/55988.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 2
</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Mohammad Azim (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/270250.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 3
</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Mohammad Forkan (1992- ) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/544832.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 4
</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Mohammad Kalim (1983- ) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/55980.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 5
</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Mohammad Mahmood (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/281072.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 6
</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Mohammad Mostadir (1977- ) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56005.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 6</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Mohammad Rafique (1970- ) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/55973.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 7
</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Mohammad Rahi (1986- ) (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/383426.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 8
</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Mohammad Rashed (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56030.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 9
</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Mohammad Robin (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/242210.html) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sep" style="width:630px;"> <table> <tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayernames">10 Mohammad Rubel (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/400582.html)
<table><tbody><tr> <td class="ciPlayerserialno"> 11
</td> <td class="ciPlayernames"> Mohammad Younus (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/287880.html)</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>

Zeeshan
January 13, 2013, 03:56 PM
The Domestic Double XI
i. Mohammad Ashraful
ii. Habibul Bashar
iii. Minhajul Abedin
iiii.Khaled Masud Pilot
iiiii.Hasnuzzaman
vi.Nazimuddin
vii.Rokibul Hasan
viii. Farhad Hossain
viiii.Marshall Ayub
x. Mehrab Hossain
xi. [to be edited]

Zeeshan
January 13, 2013, 03:58 PM
ki bepar tomra keu amar sathe khelte chacho na kano?

how about Bowler "first ball wicket" XI???

Nadim
January 13, 2013, 04:09 PM
Nijer thread nijei hit bananor chesta. I see;)
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Nocturnal
January 13, 2013, 06:32 PM
Bangladesh Coach 11 :)
-------------------------------

1. Gordon Greenedge
2. Jamie Siddons
3. Dav Whatmore
4. Eddie Barlow
5. Stuart Law
6. Mahindar Amarnath
7. Richard Pybus
8. Saqlain Mushtaq
9. Ian Pont
10.Trevor Chappell
11. Mohsin Kamal

Moriarty
January 13, 2013, 09:08 PM
All time Asian XI

1. Sunil Gavaskar
2. Sanath Jayasuriya
3. Sachin Tendulkar
4. Kumara Sangakkara (wk)
5. Inzimam-ul-Haq
6. Imran Khan (C)
7. Wasim Akram
8. Waqar Younis
9. Abdul Qadir
10. Muttiah Muralitharan
11. Shoaib Akhtar

Cric Boss
January 13, 2013, 11:33 PM
World 11 at this moment
13/01/13
test:
1. A Cook (vc)
2. H Amla
3. Cs Pujara
4. K Sangakara (w)
5. M Clarke (c)
6. Sn Chanderpaul
7. Fs Du Plessis
8. M Johnson
9. S Ajmal
10. D Styen
11. Philander
ODI:
1. N Jamshed
2. H Amla
3. V Kohli
4. Ab de Villias (vc)
5. Shakib All Hassan
6. Ms Dhoni (c + w)
7. K Petersen
8. S Ajmal
9. Junayed Khan
10. M Sturck
11. M Morkel
T20:
1. C Gayle (vc)
2. A Hales
3. S Watson (c)
4. Tm Dilshan
5. M Samuels
6. Yuvraj Sing
7. Morgan
8. K Pollard
9. S Narine
10. R Rampaul
11. L Malinga
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One World
January 14, 2013, 02:06 AM
:-p Noc, you beat me to it. I had this in mind to make a coach 11 but that was for the world.

OW Asia XI

1.Saeed Anwar
2.Tamim Iqbal
3. Sachin Tendulkar
4. Inzamamul Haque
5. Aravinda De Silva
6. Kumar Sangakara (wk)
7. Imran Khan (c)
8. Shakib Al Hasan
9. Wasim Akram
10. WUJPV Chaminda Vaas
11. Abdul Qadir

Unless Tendulkar goes for century or Hariharan comes for umpiring, it will be another century of centuries before this team gets beaten by any other Asian combination.

Matribhasha
January 14, 2013, 01:23 PM
Bekar manusher XI

Gowza
February 24, 2013, 06:51 PM
my all time test XI as i'm feeling it right now:

1 barry richards (didn't play much test cricket but no doubt in my mind one of the best openers ever)
2 jack hobbs (scored all around the world consistently at brisk pace)
3 don bradman (the best batsman ever)
4 greg chappell/sachin tendulkar (to close to pick atm)
5 viv richards (consistency and demolition ability)
6 garry sobers (one of the greatest sportsmen ever born)
7 adam gilchrist (the greatest wicky batsman of all time, not just for his batting but his keeping also)
8 warne/murali (obviously the 2 best spinners ever, selection depends on conditions and opponents weaknesses)
9 malcolm marshall (complete fast bowler)
10 waqar younis (blistering pace and swing)
11 donald/procter (can't decided between them atm - i like donald for his pace, bounce and aggressive style but proctor had batting up his sleeve and his bowling off the wrong foot)

salman2510
February 27, 2013, 04:56 AM
My All Time XI would be -

Sachin Tendulkar
Adam Gilcrist (wk)
Brain Lara
Inzamamul Haq
Jaque Kallis
Shane Watson
Imran Khan (C)
Wasim Akram
Glenn Mcgrath
Mutaiah Murlidharan
Shane Warne

Gowza
February 27, 2013, 05:18 AM
My All Time XI would be -

Sachin Tendulkar
Adam Gilcrist (wk)
Brain Lara
Inzamamul Haq
Jaque Kallis
Shane Watson
Imran Khan (C)
Wasim Akram
Glenn Mcgrath
Mutaiah Murlidharan
Shane Warne

is this a test or ODI XI? also if it's a test XI gilchrist opening is a a bit much no? and shane watson....the rest are all great selections.

Gowza
February 27, 2013, 05:31 AM
ok so my revised test XI:

1 Barry Richards
2 Jack Hobbs
3 Don Bradman
4 Chappell/Tendulkar
5 Viv Richards
6 Garry Sobers
7 Adam Gilchrist
8 Mike Procter (he also bowled a bit of offspin btw)
9 Malcolm Marshall
10 Warne/Murali
11 Waqar Younis

riankhan
February 27, 2013, 07:20 AM
My all time XI will be:

1 Graeme Pollock
2 Brian Lara
3 Don Bradman
4 Tendulkar
5 Viv Richards
6 Jack Kallis
7 Adam Gilchrist
8 Wasim Akram
9 Marshal
10 Warne
11 Murali

Gowza
March 1, 2013, 03:59 AM
allrounders XI:

1 watson
2 barlow
3 kallis
4 sobers
5 miller
6 shakib (needed a top 6 batsman and someone who is good enough to be picked purely as a spinner)
7 gilchrist
8 procter
9 imran
10 akram
11 hadlee

12th man: chris cairns

salman2510
March 5, 2013, 09:16 AM
is this a test or ODI XI? also if it's a test XI gilchrist opening is a a bit much no? and shane watson....the rest are all great selections.

Its an ODI team !! and i agree, for TEST Gilly would be be a bit too much !!

Zeeshan
March 5, 2013, 06:16 PM
The Esh

1.Mohammad Ashraful
2.Ash, DL (http://search.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/8789.html) David Ash, 1944-England
3. Ash, EP (http://search.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/8790.html) Edward Ash, 1842-1909 England
4.Ash, RC (http://search.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/333014.html) Rohan Ash, 1976- Turks and Caicos Islands
5. Ash, SAH (http://search.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/8891.html) Selby Ash, 1836-1870 England
6. Cutler, ASH (http://search.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/36800.html) Arthur Cutler, 1913-1997 New Zealand
7. Gowers, A (http://search.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/568366.html) Ash Gowers, 1994- England
8. Perera, AJW (http://search.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/266221.html) Ash Perera, 1982-
9. Mohammad Ashraful
10. Mohammad Ashraful
11.Turner, AD (http://search.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/38697.html) Ash Turner, 1975-New Zealand

One World
March 6, 2013, 09:27 PM
This.XI (Current Test Eleven)

1. Chetasswar Pujara
2. Hashim Amla
3. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
4. KC Sangakkara
5. Alistair Cook (c)
6. Mahendra Sing Dhoni (w)
7. Faff Du Plesis
8. Ravichandran Ashwin
9. Shakib Al Hasan
10. Steyn
11. Philander

Gowza
March 6, 2013, 10:47 PM
This.XI (Current Test Eleven)

1. Chetasswar Pujara
2. Hashim Amla
3. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
4. KC Sangakkara
5. Alistair Cook (c)
6. Mahendra Sing Dhoni (w)
7. Faff Du Plesis
8. Ravichandran Ashwin
9. Shakib Al Hasan
10. Steyn
11. Philander

No Clarke? Also a but risky putting pujara and Amla to open, they're #3s in tests.

One World
March 7, 2013, 01:44 AM
No Clarke? Also a but risky putting pujara and Amla to open, they're #3s in tests.

Great point man, funny that I had Clarke in mind when I was thinking of the post and completely missed him while posting.

Gowza
April 1, 2013, 05:34 PM
allrounders XI:

1 watson
2 barlow
3 kallis
4 sobers
5 miller
6 shakib (needed a top 6 batsman and someone who is good enough to be picked purely as a spinner)
7 gilchrist
8 procter
9 imran
10 akram
11 hadlee

12th man: chris cairns

now i'd probably remove cairns from the 12th man spot and have jack gregory, actually gregory could possibly take the spot of wasim or hadlee as he'd strengthen the batting and since you would already have imran, miller, procter and one of wasim/hadlee as the pacers gregory shouldn't take much away from the pace unit.

Gowza
April 24, 2013, 10:48 PM
now i'd probably remove cairns from the 12th man spot and have jack gregory, actually gregory could possibly take the spot of wasim or hadlee as he'd strengthen the batting and since you would already have imran, miller, procter and one of wasim/hadlee as the pacers gregory shouldn't take much away from the pace unit.

another edit. greig takes the #8 spot and procter takes wasim's spot. and goddard contends for an opener spot. so:

1 goddard/watson
2 barlow
3 kallis
4 sobers
5 miller
6 shakib
7 gilchrist
8 greig
9 imran
10 procter
11 hadlee

could possibly take shaun pollock ahead of hadlee but hadlee has the better strike rate and better average as a bowler, he has the same number of test tons as pollock with many less matches, a higher highest score in tests and FC cricket and he scored more than double the amount of tons in FC cricket than pollock (14 to 6) and more half tons (59 to 35). granted hadlee played many more matches but he just has a slightly better resume plus he's a better overall bowler and being that they'll be batting at #11 i think the batting is pretty much similar if not hadlee possibly slightly better and hadlee is also a slightly better bowler.

Gowza
May 3, 2013, 08:32 PM
if you had marshall, warne, procter and sobers already in your team who bowled, would you take imran or waqar to compliment them? don't say wasim, i'm well aware of his abilities, but he underachieved, his stats don't stack up quite as well. procter bowls with sheer pacer, and is aggressive and ruthless, marshall is quick but also swings it and is considered the most complete fast bowler of all time, i thought someone to reverse it would be a good addition to the attack. imran has a plus with his batting but since it's an all time team the batting side of it isn't necessary though would be a great bonus but the main thing is who would be the best bowler to go with procter, marshall, warne and sobers.

i like waqar for his pace, low strike rate, reversing ability and that he took a lot of wickets bowled and lbw. i like imran for his consistency across the world and reversing ability. both were quite destructive. imran was probably the more complete bowler but i can't get waqar's inswingers out of my mind which would destroy the tail enders. saw waqar quite a bit, didn't get to see much of imran.

Gowza
May 10, 2013, 01:10 AM
My revised 1st and 2nd XI All Time

1st XI:

1 Jack Hobbs
2 Barry Richards
3 Don Bradman
4 Graeme Pollock
5 Viv Richards
6 Garry Sobers
7 Adam Gilchrist
8 Mike Procter
9 Imran Khan
10 Malcolm Marshall
11 Shane Warne

if you've ever researched jack hobbs you'll know why he's the #1 pick opener for me, some consider him the best after bradman, though it's very subjective and there are a few contenders he's the only opener with significant test experience to be given this honour, a pretty great close in fielder to. barry richards is the other opener who might be grouped in with those that are considered to be best after bradman though he gets discounted quite often as he didn't play many tests, unfortunate as it is i still rate him as one of the 2 best openers of all time. also was a great slipper.

bradman, no need to say anything really, averages nearly 100, from what was recorded his strike rate was around in the mid 70s in tests. pollock, another one that by some is considered the best after bradman, like barry richards didn't get to play much because of circumstance but boy was he a sight, amazing brilliant batsman and for me the best #4 of all time, another one who was a good fielder even in the slips. viv richards, so dominant, has an aurora about him, could take on the very best bowlers and succeed, also considered by some the next best after bradman and yes like the others above him a great fielder especially in the slips. garry sobers, he's in my team purely for his batting but adds with his fielding and 3 different types of bowling plus the left arm. garry is amazing, and what he adds to a team is amazing, one of the best batsmen of all time, one of the best fielders of all time, a really good left arm swing bowler, also bowled SLA and chinaman, you don't get many left arm chinaman bowlers and this adds to my all time XI attack.

gilchrist, incredible batsman, but also an incredible keeper. personally i rate him above healy as a keeper and healy is rated one of the best of all time so for me that puts his keeping ability right there up in the top echelon of all time keepers, purely on the keeping level. add to that his batting ability.

mike procter, very classy looking with the bat and very powerful, scored tons of FC runs, 48 tons, also scored 6 consecutive tons as well which not many have ever done. again he didn't get to play much but i still rate him as the best. bowling wise got a truckload of wickets at a strike rate in the mid 40s in FC cricket, was even better in the few tests he played. as a bowler he was fiery, tremendous pace, great bouncer and a wicket taker. he also bowled some decent offspin and could take wickets with it.

imran is there for his ATG bowling and really solid batting. the fact that i put procter above imran in the batting order isn't discounting imran but just saying how great of a cricketer mike procter truly was. imran's batting was very good and batting at #8, well he'd have to be the best #8 of all time...bowling wise he performed consistently across the globe, bowled conventional swing, reverse swing, good bouncer and at certain points in his career was very rapid (said to be the 3rd fastest at one time behind thomson and holding and they were both 160km/h bowlers). he also tore through quality batting attacks almost single-handed.

malcolm marshall, complete bowler, swung it both ways at express pace, a very dangerous bouncer, strike rate in the mid 40s, performed like imran across the globe. on top of that he could bat quite well with an FC batting average of 24 including 7 tons.

shane warne, considered by many the greatest spinner ever, a great strike rate for a spinner, great variations with his googly, top spinner, flipper, zooter, wrong'un, bouncer (yes he had a bouncer, no it wasn't by accident, though it was very rarely used). also a decent batsman with a couple of FC centuries and 26 FC half centuries, top test score of 99. he was a great slipper as well.

so overall the batting consists of very consistent but aggressive, attacking batsmen who dominated the best attacks across the world. bowling wise there is good variation with conventional swing, good bouncers, express pace, reverse swing, the leg spinner plus the left arm pace of sobers his SLAs and chinaman bowling combined with procters offies means this bowling attack has pretty much every style of bowling and variation that there is to offer.

2nd XI:

1 Len Hutton
2 Sunil Gavaskar
3 George Headley
4 Greg Chappell
5 Sachin Tendulkar
6 Wally Hammond
7 Les Ames
8 Wasim Akram
9 Joel Garner
10 Waqar Younis
11 Muttiah Muralitharan

an explanation to the 2nd XI. i think the batsmen speak for themselves, ames the keeper was picked ahead of guys like flower and knott because he was a high quality keeper but also a decent batsman averaging 40 in tests with 8 centuries (and more than 100 tons in FC cricket average of 43). flower isn't a good keeper and knott although a decent bat wasn't as good as ames, ames was a top quality keeper and one of the best keeper bats of all time (and in his time the best there ever had been).

the bowlers i picked on both quality and variation that's why i have wasim akram who could bowl express pace swing it both ways conventionally, reverse it and also seam it (sometimes doing all that in the same ball). waqar is there for his incredible strike rate, blistering pace and his style of bowling, he attacked the stumps more than other batsmen and it shows as he has a lot more bowled and LBW than fast bowlers usually get. garner is in there because of his nippy pace, incredible height and ability to get the ball on an awkward length with sharp bounce making it almost impossible to score off him, also had a great yorker (just as waqar did). murali there as he can spin it both ways and a great strike rate for a spinner.

Roey Haque
May 10, 2013, 04:30 AM
My revised 1st and 2nd XI All Time

1st XI:

1 Jack Hobbs
2 Barry Richards
3 Don Bradman
4 Graeme Pollock
5 Viv Richards
6 Garry Sobers
7 Adam Gilchrist
8 Mike Procter
9 Imran Khan
10 Malcolm Marshall
11 Shane Warne

if you've ever researched jack hobbs you'll know why he's the #1 pick opener for me, some consider him the best after bradman, though it's very subjective and there are a few contenders he's the only opener with significant test experience to be given this honour, a pretty great close in fielder to. barry richards is the other opener who might be grouped in with those that are considered to be best after bradman though he gets discounted quite often as he didn't play many tests, unfortunate as it is i still rate him as one of the 2 best openers of all time. also was a great slipper.

bradman, no need to say anything really, averages nearly 100, from what was recorded his strike rate was around in the mid 70s in tests. pollock, another one that by some is considered the best after bradman, like barry richards didn't get to play much because of circumstance but boy was he a sight, amazing brilliant batsman and for me the best #4 of all time, another one who was a good fielder even in the slips. viv richards, so dominant, has an aurora about him, could take on the very best bowlers and succeed, also considered by some the next best after bradman and yes like the others above him a great fielder especially in the slips. garry sobers, he's in my team purely for his batting but adds with his fielding and 3 different types of bowling plus the left arm. garry is amazing, and what he adds to a team is amazing, one of the best batsmen of all time, one of the best fielders of all time, a really good left arm swing bowler, also bowled SLA and chinaman, you don't get many left arm chinaman bowlers and this adds to my all time XI attack.

gilchrist, incredible batsman, but also an incredible keeper. personally i rate him above healy as a keeper and healy is rated one of the best of all time so for me that puts his keeping ability right there up in the top echelon of all time keepers, purely on the keeping level. add to that his batting ability.

mike procter, very classy looking with the bat and very powerful, scored tons of FC runs, 48 tons, also scored 6 consecutive tons as well which not many have ever done. again he didn't get to play much but i still rate him as the best. bowling wise got a truckload of wickets at a strike rate in the mid 40s in FC cricket, was even better in the few tests he played. as a bowler he was fiery, tremendous pace, great bouncer and a wicket taker. he also bowled some decent offspin and could take wickets with it.

imran is there for his ATG bowling and really solid batting. the fact that i put procter above imran in the batting order isn't discounting imran but just saying how great of a cricketer mike procter truly was. imran's batting was very good and batting at #8, well he'd have to be the best #8 of all time...bowling wise he performed consistently across the globe, bowled conventional swing, reverse swing, good bouncer and at certain points in his career was very rapid (said to be the 3rd fastest at one time behind thomson and holding and they were both 160km/h bowlers). he also tore through quality batting attacks almost single-handed.

malcolm marshall, complete bowler, swung it both ways at express pace, a very dangerous bouncer, strike rate in the mid 40s, performed like imran across the globe. on top of that he could bat quite well with an FC batting average of 24 including 7 tons.

shane warne, considered by many the greatest spinner ever, a great strike rate for a spinner, great variations with his googly, top spinner, flipper, zooter, wrong'un, bouncer (yes he had a bouncer, no it wasn't by accident, though it was very rarely used). also a decent batsman with a couple of FC centuries and 26 FC half centuries, top test score of 99. he was a great slipper as well.

so overall the batting consists of very consistent but aggressive, attacking batsmen who dominated the best attacks across the world. bowling wise there is good variation with conventional swing, good bouncers, express pace, reverse swing, the leg spinner plus the left arm pace of sobers his SLAs and chinaman bowling combined with procters offies means this bowling attack has pretty much every style of bowling and variation that there is to offer.

2nd XI:

1 Len Hutton
2 Sunil Gavaskar
3 George Headley
4 Greg Chappell
5 Sachin Tendulkar
6 Wally Hammond
7 Les Ames
8 Wasim Akram
9 Joel Garner
10 Waqar Younis
11 Muttiah Muralitharan

an explanation to the 2nd XI. i think the batsmen speak for themselves, ames the keeper was picked ahead of guys like flower and knott because he was a high quality keeper but also a decent batsman averaging 40 in tests with 8 centuries (and more than 100 tons in FC cricket average of 43). flower isn't a good keeper and knott although a decent bat wasn't as good as ames, ames was a top quality keeper and one of the best keeper bats of all time (and in his time the best there ever had been).

the bowlers i picked on both quality and variation that's why i have wasim akram who could bowl express pace swing it both ways conventionally, reverse it and also seam it (sometimes doing all that in the same ball). waqar is there for his incredible strike rate, blistering pace and his style of bowling, he attacked the stumps more than other batsmen and it shows as he has a lot more bowled and LBW than fast bowlers usually get. garner is in there because of his nippy pace, incredible height and ability to get the ball on an awkward length with sharp bounce making it almost impossible to score off him, also had a great yorker (just as waqar did). murali there as he can spin it both ways and a great strike rate for a spinner.

Love reading all these "all time XI" lists. Especially when they are backed up by justifications for the selections as in your posts. You should make a 3rd team.

Gowza
May 10, 2013, 06:02 PM
Love reading all these "all time XI" lists. Especially when they are backed up by justifications for the selections as in your posts. You should make a 3rd team.

Thanks. i actually shortened the explanations a bit as to not make the post too long but turned out very long anyway. as for a 3rd XI, i've never really thought about it but will give it ago.

3rd XI:

1 Matthew Hayden
2 Herbert Sutcliffe
3 Jacques Kallis
4 Brian Lara
5 Allan Border
6 AB De Villiers
7 Richard Hadlee
8 Alan Knott
9 SF Barnes
10 Allan Donald
11 Bill O'Reilly

the openers: sutcliffe was an easy choice, for some he is in their 1st XI. averaged 60, partnered jack hobbs so as you can imagine they had an incredible partnership so since sutcliffe averages 60 and was apart of probably the best opening batting partnership ever he gets into my 3rd XI. hayden edged out sehwag, reason for that was sehwag's poor record in england, NZ and south africa, not that hayden had amazing records their but he did have a solid to great record everywhere whereas sehwag has a much better record in Asia and not very good in some of the other conditions.

#3: kallis, edged out dravid, ponting and sangakkara. dravid has the slower strike rate is was edged it for kallis of dravid, and that kallis scored in a slightly more balanced way across all conditions than dravid did. kallis nudged ahead of ponting due to ponting's record in india, he had more than enough matches and couldn't conquer it near well enough so that's a big hole in his record. sangakkara has a solid record everywhere but kallis's record in his home country south africa where the ball does a lot more for pacers is what edged kallis in this one.

middle order: lara grabs the #4 spot, dominated attacks, struggled against quality pace (look at his record against guys like akram, waqar, mcgrath, donald/pollock, ambrose/walsh etc) but one of the greatest against spin and medium fast bowlers. plus has the record highest test score. allan border pretty much conquered everywhere with great consistency, lowest average is 38 in south africa but 38 is still good and he did only play 3 matches there. everywhere else he managed to average at least 45+. de villiers, shocking it maybe but he's there. his worst average is 33 in Bangladesh but he only played 2 matches for that, everywhere else it's 43+ so he gets in for his flare and consistency across all conditions.

#7: the allrounder hadlee gets in. this fight was between haddles, shakib and miller. i ended up picking hadlee because his bowling was ahead of both shakib and miller. shakib and miller were better bats but if you look at hadlee's FC record he averaged over 30 with the bat and scored 14 tons and that's very good for a #7, i think as an overall package he offers a bit more. shakib was very close here, since he spins it SLA and it would have added some great variation to the attack but i couldn't resist the pacey corridor 5fer man hadlee. perhaps if i revise this team shakib may make it over hadlee depending on the day.

keeper #8: knott, makes it due to his superb keeping and solid batting, he's in a lot of peoples 1st XI so that says a lot about how good of a keeper he was.

specialist bowlers: barnes could do anything with the ball, seam, swing, spin, pace, slower etc his great record combined with his ability to do so much with the ball and that people say he was perhaps the greatest bowler of all time is why he makes my 3rd XI. Donald is in there for his terrific record, pace and his aggressiveness, he didn't mind hitting a batsman, he gave them a bit of fear, great bounce and seam at high pace. o'reilly, similar to barnes but barnes did it quicker, o'reilly bowled the googly though which barnes never did. o'reilly is one of the greatest spinners ever, in my book the 3rd best, he nearly piped murali to make the 2nd XI but murali's numbers, uniqueness and being an offie made me decide against it.

Gowza
May 12, 2013, 07:07 PM
Love reading all these "all time XI" lists. Especially when they are backed up by justifications for the selections as in your posts. You should make a 3rd team.

i also enjoy the all time xi lists, even better with explanations/discussion.

Roey Haque
May 14, 2013, 10:39 AM
Cool. Not having Kallis and Lara in the first two teams was an eye opener. Because when making such lists, shouldn't current players automatically carry more weight due to playing against more teams and undoubtedly a more varied and skilled bowling attack backed up by things such as better nutrition and fitness? But awesome collection of 33 players you got now.

17 more needed and you can have your 50 greatest players of all time. And perhaps ESPN or tencricket could one day gather 4 legends and have a draft pick type of show, choosing from the 50 options, to see what different teams are formed. The same way they did in the NBA. Would be a fantastic show.

I'm already recommending Amla for one of those 17 remaining spots. That ODI average(57) is insane by today's standards!

Gowza
May 14, 2013, 05:12 PM
Cool. Not having Kallis and Lara in the first two teams was an eye opener. Because when making such lists, shouldn't current players automatically carry more weight due to playing against more teams and undoubtedly a more varied and skilled bowling attack backed up by things such as better nutrition and fitness? But awesome collection of 33 players you got now.

17 more needed and you can have your 50 greatest players of all time. And perhaps ESPN or tencricket could one day gather 4 legends and have a draft pick type of show, choosing from the 50 options, to see what different teams are formed. The same way they did in the NBA. Would be a fantastic show.

I'm already recommending Amla for one of those 17 remaining spots. That ODI average(57) is insane by today's standards!

50 greatest players is a whole different thing, talking across all formats. amla is a great player i agree. as far as current players carrying more weight, definitely playing in more conditions against more opposition gives us a great insight into their ability but there are many things to weigh up such as quality of opposition, pitches in different countries at the time, eye-witness accounts etc.

Roey Haque
May 21, 2013, 05:11 PM
50 greatest players is a whole different thing, talking across all formats.

I wouldn't say it's too different. I mean selecting those 50 by composing best XIs is a fine way to give all roles respect. Wicketkeeper,batsmen,bowlers and all rounders. Because the draft show that I proposed, you would need a fair share of players in each role, to give each selector a chance to come up with a balanced team.

I'm loving all the legends btw. Cricket is my 4th favorite sport after Basketball,soccer and boxing, so your team selections and explantions are a motivation to look up all the legends you have picked and research more about them. I'm just in awe of Malcolm Marshall right now.

Gowza
May 21, 2013, 06:03 PM
I wouldn't say it's too different. I mean selecting those 50 by composing best XIs is a fine way to give all roles respect. Wicketkeeper,batsmen,bowlers and all rounders. Because the draft show that I proposed, you would need a fair share of players in each role, to give each selector a chance to come up with a balanced team.

I'm loving all the legends btw. Cricket is my 4th favorite sport after Basketball,soccer and boxing, so your team selections and explantions are a motivation to look up all the legends you have picked and research more about them. I'm just in awe of Malcolm Marshall right now.

you have a good point as far as balancing the different roles and being represented, but i don't think many keepers would make a top 50, for me possibly only gilchrist. malcolm marshall was amazing. wasim akram was possibly the most complete fast bowler ever, but unfortunately his strike rate isn't amazing and he took a lot of tail end wickets.

sum_1
May 22, 2013, 03:21 AM
My all time XI

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Don Bradman
3. Rahul Dravid/Sachin Tendukar
4. Jacques Kallis/Shaun Pollock
5. Viv Richards
6. Gary Sobers
7. Adam Gilchrist/Ian Healy
8. Jim Laker/Erapalli Prassanna
9. Abdul Quadir/Bill O'Reilly
10. Malcolm Marshall/Dennis Lillee
11. Sydney Barnes

Gowza
May 22, 2013, 04:45 AM
My all time XI

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Don Bradman
3. Rahul Dravid/Sachin Tendukar
4. Jacques Kallis/Shaun Pollock
5. Viv Richards
6. Gary Sobers
7. Adam Gilchrist/Ian Healy
8. Jim Laker/Erapalli Prassanna
9. Abdul Quadir/Bill O'Reilly
10. Malcolm Marshall/Dennis Lillee
11. Sydney Barnes

that's more of a squad (a big squad at that) than an XI. i know it's really really tough to just pick XI but that's all you can take onto the field.....also bradman wasn't an opener and shaun pollock wouldn't bat at #4....nonetheless it would be a very competitive team.

sum_1
May 22, 2013, 11:54 AM
yup I admit I found it difficult to zero in on a playing XI. Its more of 3 or 4 playing XIs based on the combinations. :) The #4 position is specially for Kallis, Pollock would definitely bat lower down the order. But I'd stick with Bradman as the opener, it'd be fun to watch him and Hobbs competing for dominance.

Gowza
May 22, 2013, 04:52 PM
yup I admit I found it difficult to zero in on a playing XI. Its more of 3 or 4 playing XIs based on the combinations. :) The #4 position is specially for Kallis, Pollock would definitely bat lower down the order. But I'd stick with Bradman as the opener, it'd be fun to watch him and Hobbs competing for dominance.

you are certainly correct there! would be a magnificent battle!

Gowza
May 22, 2013, 10:39 PM
My all time XI

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Don Bradman
3. Rahul Dravid/Sachin Tendukar
4. Jacques Kallis/Shaun Pollock
5. Viv Richards
6. Gary Sobers
7. Adam Gilchrist/Ian Healy
8. Jim Laker/Erapalli Prassanna
9. Abdul Quadir/Bill O'Reilly
10. Malcolm Marshall/Dennis Lillee
11. Sydney Barnes

btw no warne or murali? what are the reasons for picking all those other spinners ahead of them? i go for warne in my all time team because he's a leggy that has a ton of variations but also i feel he is one of the greatest cricketers ever with his fielding and batting brought into the picture. plus warne did slightly better if you take all conditions into account, both had 2 places they didn't do well in. murali had australia (average 75) and india (average 45), warne had west indies ( average 39) and india (average 43). so warne's worst was better than murali's worst, murali will give you a slightly better strike rate overall and better average but warne isn't as bad in his weak conditions and also has his fielding and batting to add to the team. that's my reasoning for taking warne over anyone else in an all time team.

i'm guessing pollock is in the squad for his all round abilities? he was a great bowler but not right at the top imo (like walsh - i'd love to put walsh with those greats but just can't). but if he is there for his all round abilities then why not take imran or miller or hadlee or procter? all better bowlers (bar miller possibly) and all better batsmen (bar hadlee possibly - though personally if you look into their FC records i prefer hadlee the batsman ahead of pollock and imo hadlee is a far greater bowler than shaun).

sum_1
May 23, 2013, 06:41 AM
btw no warne or murali? what are the reasons for picking all those other spinners ahead of them? i go for warne in my all time team because he's a leggy that has a ton of variations but also i feel he is one of the greatest cricketers ever with his fielding and batting brought into the picture. plus warne did slightly better if you take all conditions into account, both had 2 places they didn't do well in. murali had australia (average 75) and india (average 45), warne had west indies ( average 39) and india (average 43). so warne's worst was better than murali's worst, murali will give you a slightly better strike rate overall and better average but warne isn't as bad in his weak conditions and also has his fielding and batting to add to the team. that's my reasoning for taking warne over anyone else in an all time team.

i'm guessing pollock is in the squad for his all round abilities? he was a great bowler but not right at the top imo (like walsh - i'd love to put walsh with those greats but just can't). but if he is there for his all round abilities then why not take imran or miller or hadlee or procter? all better bowlers (bar miller possibly) and all better batsmen (bar hadlee possibly - though personally if you look into their FC records i prefer hadlee the batsman ahead of pollock and imo hadlee is a far greater bowler than shaun).

You're absolutely right about Pollock. On second thoughts I'd put Procter and Imran ahead of him. My initial idea was to select an allrouder with exactly 50:50 batting/bowling capabilities, and only those 2 came to mind.

Regarding the spinners, I have a slight tendency to over glorify the past. :) Though I'd rate Laker among the very best. He has some outstanding records both in domestic (1944 wkts) and international matches, and should walk into any all time XIs.

Gowza
May 23, 2013, 10:38 AM
You're absolutely right about Pollock. On second thoughts I'd put Procter and Imran ahead of him. My initial idea was to select an allrouder with exactly 50:50 batting/bowling capabilities, and only those 2 came to mind.

Regarding the spinners, I have a slight tendency to over glorify the past. :) Though I'd rate Laker among the very best. He has some outstanding records both in domestic (1944 wkts) and international matches, and should walk into any all time XIs.

if you're looking for allrounders with 50/50 batting/bowling then i'd say look at guys like botham, cairns etc the ones that average around 30 both bat and ball because all the others are generally too far one way or the other e.g. kallis a greater batter, imran greater bowler.

also the tail looks pretty long, though in an all time xi having a long tail probably isn't hurting to much but still nice to have a good #7/8/9 and there are plenty of options with the likes of procter, imran, hadlee, pollock, miller, botham, cairns, shakib, mankad, faulkner.

the all rounder spots are always tough in an all time xi, more so on the bowling front. for my all time XI's i always go by the philosophy that you should only pick an all rounder if you're picking them specifically for one suit with the other being a bonus. sobers for example makes my al time xi regardless of his bowling, imran and procter make my team for their bowling regardless of their batting. hadlee (which i did at one stage have in my all time xi) makes it as a bowler regardless of his batting, kallis would make it on his batting. that's why i don't usually have guys like cairns, botham etc in my all time teams because they aren't strong enough in one suit to make it at the all time level, though at their peaks they are tempting (cairns averaged 42/43 with the bat and 26 with the ball from about 1999-2004).

the other thing about all rounders is do you pick them based on their overall career or their peak when they did both batting and bowling best together? or their talent? for example botham had a great peak where he was awesome with both bat and ball at the same time, but it didn't last that long compared to his entire career. imran and faulkner have great bowling and batting numbers overall but supposedly they were never bowling and batting at their best at the same time (aside from occasional matches - even though imran averaged over 50 with the bat and something like 19 with the ball for a corresponding 10 year period he apparently was rarely bowling his best when batting his best as he bowled less as he got older and batted more so for that reason some people exclude his all round abilities when considering an all time xi). miller, great numbers overall but looking at his FC record where he averaged 48, he seems to have underperformed a bit with the bat internationally, however there are a lot of stories about him saying he would sometimes literally give his wicket away in certain situations and therefore he didn't always try his best, so do you pick him based on his international numbers or overall talent? he didn't always try, that's a negative, but when he did try he got the results which is a positive.

Gowza
May 23, 2013, 09:10 PM
You're absolutely right about Pollock. On second thoughts I'd put Procter and Imran ahead of him. My initial idea was to select an allrouder with exactly 50:50 batting/bowling capabilities, and only those 2 came to mind.

Regarding the spinners, I have a slight tendency to over glorify the past. :) Though I'd rate Laker among the very best. He has some outstanding records both in domestic (1944 wkts) and international matches, and should walk into any all time XIs.

procter got huge FC numbers to - almost 22000 FC runs with 48 tons and 1400+ FC wickets strike rate of 46, average in the 19s). same can be said for barry richards - 28000+ runs, 54 average, 80 tons and graeme pollock - nearly 21000 FC runs, average 54 with 64 tons.

some players imo deserve to be the exception when it comes to having played a lot of test cricket, mainly the south african's that missed out but still had incredible FC careers, did well in world series cricket and county cricket and batted on the toughest pitches at the time. the period that barry richards, procter and graeme pollock were playing county cricket it was considered to be at it's highest level, greats from all around the world played in it so they were face the very best and batting on the toughest conditions which is why i give them the exceptions.

i do however find it hard to place the older spinners who played on uncovered wickets, no doubt they were very very good but it's hard to compare them to spinners of today who don't get to play on those minefields. batsmen on the other hand, the ones who succeeded on uncovered wickets should certainly have succeeded on covered wickets.

One World
May 25, 2013, 01:22 PM
The All Time Unbeatable Fixing XI
-----------------------------------------
1. Salman Butt
2. Herschelle Gibbs (wk)
3. Mohammad Azharuddin (vc)
4. Marlon Samuels
5. Saleem Malik (c)
6. Hansie Cronje
7. Ajay Jadeja
8. Maurice Odumbe
9. Manoj Probhakar
10. Mohammad Asif
11. Mohammad Amir

sum_1
May 26, 2013, 06:39 AM
The All Time Unbeatable Fixing XI
-----------------------------------------
1. Salman Butt
2. Herschelle Gibbs (wk)
3. Mohammad Azharuddin (vc)
4. Marlon Samuels
5. Saleem Malik (c)
6. Hansie Cronje
7. Ajay Jadeja
8. Maurice Odumbe
9. Manoj Probhakar
10. Mohammad Asif
11. Mohammad Amir

Umpires: Nadir Shah and Asad Rauf :D

sum_1
May 26, 2013, 06:55 AM
i do however find it hard to place the older spinners who played on uncovered wickets, no doubt they were very very good but it's hard to compare them to spinners of today who don't get to play on those minefields. batsmen on the other hand, the ones who succeeded on uncovered wickets should certainly have succeeded on covered wickets.

But isn't by the same logic its hard to place the older pacers who bowled to batsmen without proper protection (chest guards, helmets) to the modern pacers who don't have the luxury to ball just fast and short and get away with it. How successful would Larwood or Gilchrist be in the modern era? on the other hand, imagine batsmen facing Brett Lee or Dale Steyn without a helmet. :)

Gowza
May 26, 2013, 10:59 AM
But isn't by the same logic its hard to place the older pacers who bowled to batsmen without proper protection (chest guards, helmets) to the modern pacers who don't have the luxury to ball just fast and short and get away with it. How successful would Larwood or Gilchrist be in the modern era? on the other hand, imagine batsmen facing Brett Lee or Dale Steyn without a helmet. :)

very true, though most fast bowlers that i rate right at the top are 70's onwards so it's not so much of an issue for me, but yes certainly a valid point.

Tigers_eye
May 28, 2013, 09:15 PM
The All Time Unbeatable Fixing XI
-----------------------------------------
1. Salman Butt
2. Herschelle Gibbs (wk)
3. Mohammad Azharuddin (vc)
4. Marlon Samuels
5. Saleem Malik (c)
6. Hansie Cronje
7. Ajay Jadeja
8. Maurice Odumbe
9. Manoj Probhakar
10. Mohammad Asif
11. Mohammad Amir
Ash couldn't get in to this XI as well. :facepalm:

Tigers_eye
May 28, 2013, 09:20 PM
Subcontinent test XI

1 Gavaskar
2 Tendulkar
3 Dravid
4 Miandad
5 Arvinda De Silva
6 Sangakkara (wk)
7 Imran Khan (c)
8 Wasim Akram
9 Waqar
10 Shoaib Akhter
11 Muralitharan

This is an excellent XI. The only change i would like to make is at 10. Kapil Dev. Plus he would bat before Wasim.

Gowza
May 29, 2013, 04:44 AM
This is an excellent XI. The only change i would like to make is at 10. Kapil Dev. Plus he would bat before Wasim.

yeah terrific call imo, kapil much more valuable than shoaib considering you already have imran, waqar and wasim in the team. and yes bat him ahead of wasim.

al Furqaan
May 30, 2013, 05:49 PM
Here's an idea:

ATG Test avg Better Than FC avg XI:

Go!

Gowza
May 30, 2013, 07:09 PM
Here's an idea:

ATG Test avg Better Than FC avg XI:

Go!

first choices would have to be bradman, b.richards and g. pollock. all of them already in my all time XI haha. also jack hobbs and viv richards, which again are already in my all time team. sobers is next and yet again he's already in my all time XI. from there it's gilchrist who is also my first choice keeper for an all time XI.

i can't find an allrounder who has both a better bat and bowling average in tests than in FC cricket.

for bowlers i'd go with allan donald and dale steyn, and stick with shane warne, though murali is still a spin option under this criteria.

All Time Better Test Averages Than FC Averages XI:

1 jack hobbs
2 barry richards
3 don bradman
4 graeme pollock
5 viv richards
6 garry sobers
7 adam gilchrist
8 ????????????????
9 shane warne
10 dale steyn
11 allan donald

don't know if this is the best XI you could make i.e. don't know if the ones i've put here have a higher test average by the greatest amount compared to their FC averages but i found it interesting how all these greats have better test averages than their FC averages, afterall test cricket is meant to be tougher than FC cricket. just shows how truly great these players were if they were able to perform at a better rate at the higher level.

now if anyone has all rounder idea's let me know. closest i've found so far are imran and miller, both have better batting averages (miller by a large margin), but both have slightly lower test bowling averages than FC averages (still averaging 22 in both tests and FCs though).

sangakkara and kallis would be good batting options for this XI.

Tigers_eye
June 2, 2013, 08:45 AM
I got your #8. Both categories have better records in Tests than First class. 5k+ test runs.
Doug Walters (AUS)
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/8151.html)

Gowza
June 3, 2013, 01:32 AM
I got your #8. Both categories have better records in Tests than First class. 5k+ test runs.
Doug Walters (AUS)
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/8151.html)

yeah good call, being a #8 i'd prefer a better bowler, but if this is the criteria then he's a good shout i think, ridiculously good with the bat for a #8 though haha!

Gowza
June 8, 2013, 02:08 AM
Subcontinent test XI

1 Gavaskar
2 Tendulkar
3 Dravid
4 Miandad
5 Arvinda De Silva
6 Sangakkara (wk)
7 Imran Khan (c)
8 Wasim Akram
9 Waqar
10 Shoaib Akhter
11 Muralitharan

as said previously swap shoaib for kapil and bat kapil ahead of wasim. i'd drop tendu to #4, miandad to #5 and leave out aravinda (though aravinda did well getting centuries per match compared to miandad, miandad was still overall more consistent). or drop both aravinda and miandad and bring in younis khan. if you look more in depth at the test careers of miandad and younis, younis has done slightly better for the most part in different conditions than miandad and if he hasn't it's still close (only one is WI but that's younis's worst and miandad's worst is a lot worse than younis's. also despite playing 42 less matches to miandad, younis has only 2 less centuries - big difference in half centuries but miandad has played many more matches so that is expected). miandad possibly faced tougher bowling more regularly so it's tough to pick between them.

open with anwar. sehwag has a better overall average and much better strike rate but he had a lot of trouble in seaming conditions. he did do well in australia, averaged 46 which is very nice but in SA, NZ and england i think he averaged less than 30 in each of those countries and that's just not going to do it in an all time XI, don't care how good he was in the sub con if you want a team that can play anywhere around the world you can't pick sehwag. of course if they are playing in the sub con then sehwag is a must.

1 Gavaskar
2 Anwar
3 Dravid
4 Tendulkar
5 Miandad/Younis
6 Sangakkara (Wk)
7 Imran
8 Kapil
9 Wasim
10 Waqar
11 Murali

Gowza
July 7, 2013, 11:21 PM
another edit. greig takes the #8 spot and procter takes wasim's spot. and goddard contends for an opener spot. so:

1 goddard/watson
2 barlow
3 kallis
4 sobers
5 miller
6 shakib
7 gilchrist
8 greig
9 imran
10 procter
11 hadlee

could possibly take shaun pollock ahead of hadlee but hadlee has the better strike rate and better average as a bowler, he has the same number of test tons as pollock with many less matches, a higher highest score in tests and FC cricket and he scored more than double the amount of tons in FC cricket than pollock (14 to 6) and more half tons (59 to 35). granted hadlee played many more matches but he just has a slightly better resume plus he's a better overall bowler and being that they'll be batting at #11 i think the batting is pretty much similar if not hadlee possibly slightly better and hadlee is also a slightly better bowler.

revised again.

all rounders XI

1 watson
2 barlow
3 kallis
4 sobers
5 miller
6 faulkner
7 gilchrist
8 procter
9 rice
10 imran
11 hadlee

notable misses: cairns, botham, kapil, shakib, greig, gregory.

didn't realise but mike procter actually began as a wicket keeper as a young boy. if one were to make an all rounders XI which excluded a genuine keeper then could always have proccy taking the gloves.

koushik
July 20, 2013, 10:04 PM
INDIAN TEST XI

1.GAVASKAR
2.SEHWAG
3.DRAVID
4.SACHIN
5.LAXMAN
6.V.MANKAD
7.MS DHONI(wk)
8.KAPIL DEV(c)
9.B BEDI
10.SRINATH
11.KUMBLE
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ammark
July 21, 2013, 07:19 AM
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=1203868

and

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=21731

Gowza
August 3, 2013, 12:32 AM
1-10 test matches XI:

1 Barry Richards
2 Vijay Merchant
3 Stewie Dempster
4 Brad Hodge
5 Archie Jackson
6 Lee Irvine
7 Mike Procter
8 Xen Balaskas? (which other spinners are there?)
9 Tony Gray
10 Mohammad Zahid (if you want 4 pacers, might be a better one than zahid though...)/Charlie Parker? (again, any other spinners?)
11 Brett Schultz

this was actually kind of hard, probably could improve it but it's tough to find players who had good records, and were talked about as great players but played only between 1-10 test matches. it's easier if you allow yourself to pick players that didn't play any test cricket e.g. garth le roux, clive rice vince van der bijl.

batting seems solid, was hard to find bowlers with both good FC and test records.

Zeeshan
August 3, 2013, 12:40 PM
1.Bradman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradman)
2. Jesop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Jessop)
3. Gayle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Gayle)
4. Sehwag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sehwag)
5. Sachin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachin_Tendulkar)
6. Lara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Lara)
7. Jayasuria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanath_Jayasuriya)
8. Ambrose (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtly_Ambrose)
9. Wisden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wisden)
10. Spofforth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Spofforth)
11. Hobbs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Hobbs)

will beat any team on any given day in ANY FORMAT

Zeeshan
August 3, 2013, 01:13 PM
Bill O'Reilly



never knew amader conservative chairman shaheb cricket khele...nijer chokhe dekha gowza? is he for realy?

Gowza
August 3, 2013, 06:44 PM
never knew amader conservative chairman shaheb cricket khele...nijer chokhe dekha gowza? is he for realy?

sorry can you translate to english?

Zeeshan
August 3, 2013, 06:48 PM
sorry can you translate to english?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rmyPTccdXKw/Trs7rLcvq_I/AAAAAAAAEB0/5fYS5Ffytaw/s400/youre%2Bproving%2Bme%2Bwrong.png

ammark
August 4, 2013, 06:01 PM
LOL @ Zeeshaan. Bill O'Reilly went completely over Gowza's head and I don't blame him. Australia isnt North America, Zee... US political references don't exactly translate well outside the American continent.

Jadukor
August 5, 2013, 03:15 AM
Gowza is not Bangladeshi so the bangla talk is bound to go over his head

OverTheTop1
August 7, 2013, 05:53 AM
ATG XI

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Len Hutton
3. Don Bradman
4. Graeme Pollock
5. Wally Hammond
6. Garfield Sobers
7. Adam Gilchrist+
8. Imran Khan*
9. Richard Hadlee
10. Malcolm Marshall
11. Shane Warne

Zeeshan
August 7, 2013, 12:14 PM
someone reads cricinfo magazine

Roey Haque
August 12, 2013, 05:47 AM
never knew amader conservative chairman shaheb cricket khele...nijer chokhe dekha gowza? is he for realy?

conservative chairman shaheb :D:D:D

Gowza
August 17, 2013, 06:15 AM
ATG XI

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Len Hutton
3. Don Bradman
4. Graeme Pollock
5. Wally Hammond
6. Garfield Sobers
7. Adam Gilchrist+
8. Imran Khan*
9. Richard Hadlee
10. Malcolm Marshall
11. Shane Warne

that's a pretty good XI, as good as any. a couple of surprises with pollock and hammond who probably don't make most people's all time XI but then i've got barry richards, pollock and procter all in my all time XI ).

aklemalp
August 21, 2013, 02:50 PM
My All-time commentator XI:

1) Mike Atherton
2) Sunil Gavaskar
3) David Gower
4) Ramiz Raja
5) Russel Arnold
6) Richie Benaud
7) Jeff Dujon (keeper)
8) Ian Botham
9) Danny Morrison
10) Michael Holding
11) Wasim Akram

I tried to keep it as international as possible

Tigers_eye
August 30, 2013, 12:50 AM
Sobers, Bradman, Viv Richards, Murali, Marshal, Wasim, Gilchrist - Those are the lucky 7.

The rest 4 are real oldies. Grace and co.

Gowza
September 7, 2013, 04:01 AM
Sobers, Bradman, Viv Richards, Murali, Marshal, Wasim, Gilchrist - Those are the lucky 7.

The rest 4 are real oldies. Grace and co.

who else other than grace for those other 3 spots? good picks! that's a quality team!

Tigers_eye
September 8, 2013, 08:20 AM
who else other than grace for those other 3 spots? good picks! that's a quality team!
3 H's

Hammond
Holding. He beat out Lillie, Ambrose, Garner, Hall, McGrath, Waqar, Kapil, Hadlee, Walsh, Steyn.
The last one is always difficult. If one cannot go wrong with Gavaskar, Tendu, Lara, Worrell, Headley, Pollock or Hobbs.

I'd pick Hutton.

So my lineup would be:

Hutton,
Hammond,
Sobers,
Bradman,
Grace
Viv Richards, (C)
Gilchrist, (W)
Wasim,
Marshal,
Murali,
Holding.

12th man Hobbs. If the pitch is fast, Sobers will open the bowling with Holding. Marshal and Wasim will replace them. If the pitch is a spinnng track, Sobers will bowl spin as a change for Richards. Murali all day long from the other end.

Gowza
September 9, 2013, 05:47 AM
great to see holding in an all time XI, he was a terrific bowler but generally falls short in these lists and doesn't quite make it so awesome to see someone actually put him in the team as he was as good as any.

hutton was a quality opener, generally makes the first or second team in these all time great lists.

hammond, also quality, but he didn't open much...did stupendously well when he did though.

Gowza
March 3, 2014, 02:39 AM
i've swapped imran for miller now, though it's an everlasting argument for me as to who should be picked in that #9 spot, i've been going with imran for his reverse swing but the more i read about miller the more i find that he seems to be underrated with the ball and he was a much more natural batsman than imran (with more test tons in less matches also). whenever i read or hear an account on miller they always say he was a great bowler and one of and possibly the best of his era. the high strike rate that he has was actually a very good strike rate for his era and he's always described as fast, lethal, great and the best bowler of his time when he wanted to be.

i used to rate imran much more with the ball than miller which is why i had imran in the XI before but like i said the more i read and listen the more i sway to miller. something that really stands out for me though is that miller was always a batsman, then he bowled a bit for the australian services XI and from there went on to become one of the best bowlers of his generation, what makes this impressive is that he was playing for one of the greatest test teams there has ever been, he batted top 6 and turned himself into a terrific opening bowler for one of the greatest teams. no matter how you look at that it's impressive, he was a great batsman turned great fast bowler for a team that has claims to be the best ever (considered one of the best).

not many in this world have had the talent to be selected both as a top 6 batsman and an opening bowler for one of the great teams (and at the same time) and being that he played those roles, 2 very important roles in a great team proves to me of his class in both suits. he was also a terrific fielder and had a great mind for the game.

take nothing away from imran, he was an incredible player but it's very obvious that miller was a better batsman, many have said had he not been needed as a bowler he would have become one of the greats with the bat, i don't think that's been said about any other all rounder in history. take the other great all rounders for example kapil, imran, botham and hadlee. i don't think anyone has ever said if they didn't bowl they may have become one of the great batsmen (procter probably the closest to this).

imran and hadlee are probably my next 2 players into this XI, i just can't leave marshall out though and for now at least i'm going with miller over the others.