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Rifat_02
September 17, 2012, 03:36 AM
The 2nd pacer in the team is conceding at 9+ runs over every game no matter who it is. High time we replace him with Zunaed to prevent these usual mega collapses and chokes and play with 4 Spinners + 1 pacer.

Also, no more death over bowling with Mash please. Shak should be given that responsibility, he bowled some really good death overs in IPL, even against the likes of Dhoni and Raina in that final i think.

Jadukor
September 17, 2012, 03:46 AM
Shak cannot be expected to take top order wickets, break middle order partnerships and bowl death overs. He only has 4 overs!
The others need to grow a pair

Nadim
September 17, 2012, 03:49 AM
4 spinner including Riyad? you do realize Riyad is only a part timer?????

Rifat_02
September 17, 2012, 03:51 AM
4 spinner including Riyad? you do realize Riyad is only a part timer?????

Still light years ahead of our pacers (Abul & Shafiul), apart from the match today he has been quite good, bowled that amazing last over vs Ireland & bowled well in SLPL too. Lets not forget we have Nasir/Zia too.

Rifat H
September 17, 2012, 03:52 AM
4 spinner including Riyad? you do realize Riyad is only a part timer?????

Riad ajke jei mar khaiche Mushy ar oke bowling dibe kina sondeho !!

BengaliPagol
September 17, 2012, 04:00 AM
Why dont we get Ash to bowl and he might solve our troubles. :)

Gowza
September 17, 2012, 04:06 AM
Shak cannot be expected to take top order wickets, break middle order partnerships and bowl death overs. He only has 4 overs!
The others need to grow a pair

:applause: as you said we can't expect shak to do everything, the others need to step up it's non-negotiable.

jeesh
September 17, 2012, 04:43 AM
Well this is expected. Shafiul is erratic, and Abul is not mentally strong enough for this format. It wont get any easier against NZ and Pakistan-both teams will be very comfortable against our pace attack.

We have 3 options
1) Play with current lineup. This is anyway the most likely outcome
2) Play with extra batsman and sacrifice a quick like Rifat suggests. Anyway we are likely to open with a spinner. Might add a bit more depth in batting.
3) Play Forhad Reza instead of Shafiul/Abul. Adds a bit more depth in batting. Also can bowl if required

Probably we will resort to option 1 because its the safest. I read the Pallekele wicket has decent bounce. Hopefully 2 quicks will be able to extract sth.

BengaliPagol
September 17, 2012, 04:54 AM
I reckon Reza might be a better bowler then Shafiul. Even though Reza might be an all rounder he is still poor with the bat. Let Ziaur bowl ffs!

Rabz
September 17, 2012, 05:01 AM
The way things are looking, better to include Phorhad Veza instead of Shafi or Abul.
He can bowl 2 overs, can hold the bat better than them as well.

Out_You_Go
September 17, 2012, 05:05 AM
I think its high time Zia bowls 3-4 overs. He is decent and we should use him. Problem is, Mushy does not go out of the box.

Maysun
September 17, 2012, 05:19 AM
If we include Reza in our XI, and like Rabz said, can hold the bat unlike Shafiul or Abul. And I don't think he will do any worse than Shafiul/Abul. He was OK in the BPL as well.

Mashrafe, Reza, Razzak, Shakib, Sunny, Riyad, Ziaur. We've got so many options.

scoilaheez
September 17, 2012, 05:28 AM
The 2nd pacer in the team is conceding at 9+ runs over every game no matter who it is. High time we replace him with Zunaed to prevent these usual mega collapses and chokes and play with 4 Spinners + 1 pacer.

Also, no more death over bowling with Mash please. Shak should be given that responsibility, he bowled some really good death overs in IPL, even against the likes of Dhoni and Raina in that final i think.

I dont see how our selectors continue to overlook this. Yes its great in theory to play 2 pacers, cos in the future thats the team we want to be... but we play in the here and now, right now we need to win matches ffs.

Essentially, we are playing with 10 players and carrying our 2nd pacer. Both shafiul and abul will get taken to pieces, runs leak against these players and they dont look like taking wickets.
Riyad is good for 3-4 overs, ash/zia/nasir can all bowl. These can make up the overs very easily. Atm, our 2nd pacer is generally bowling 1,2 overs (3 overs today was a max) - strange selection.

Replacements:
- Farhad Reza: one of the worst players ive seen in intl cricket. Mashrafe is a much better batsmen. Would not pick unless he has improved
- Jahurul/Junaid: Neither are really suited to the end of the innings. But out of these two i would probably choose Jahurul to bat at 8.

scoilaheez
September 17, 2012, 05:30 AM
Shak cannot be expected to take top order wickets, break middle order partnerships and bowl death overs. He only has 4 overs!
The others need to grow a pair

our other players just arent good enough. Riyad can bowl some death overs imo. Otherwise, its slim pickings and shak may have to be relied upon to bowl 1 of the death overs.

Wouldve liked to see riyad bowl overs 18 and 20 today

BengaliPagol
September 17, 2012, 05:32 AM
Mashrafe, Reza, Razzak, Shakib, Sunny, Riyad, Ziaur. We've got so many options.

You forgot spin king Ash

Jadukor
September 17, 2012, 05:37 AM
Should have taken Nazmul in this squad. A player like arafat sunny also would have been more handy than farhad reza

BengaliPagol
September 17, 2012, 05:45 AM
Arafat Sunny would have been good but too many spinners in the team isnt going to be effective. Selectors should show faith in Nazmul.

shakibrulz
September 17, 2012, 06:04 AM
Nazmul is crap in T20s, judging from the small sample size. Not a terrible idea though - 4 overs each from Shak, Raz, Mash and Sunny - rest 4 split between Mahmudullah, Nasir, and Zia. How bad can it be, really?
Although since Shafi has come to rescue many times picking crucial wickets, hitting runs etc - I'm still okay with him being in the side.

PoorFan
September 17, 2012, 06:59 AM
If there is anything to fix, it is pathetic Nasir, Mushi and Mullah to grow their game. If they cant bat, make runs against any opponets, BD has no business playing cricket, let alone in WC. Casing 160+ would a norm in WC, if they cant do that then better play against Bermuda and be happy.

BANFAN
September 17, 2012, 07:09 AM
If there is anything to fix, it is pathetic Nasir, Mushi and Mullah to grow their game. If they cant bat, make runs against any opponets, BD has no business playing cricket, let alone in WC. Casing 160+ would a norm in WC, if they cant do that then better play against Bermuda and be happy.

It's basically Mushy and Nasir... Mullah played well in the last match...so hope he will do better in the final stages.... But Mushy and Nasir really needs to adjut their batting order and approach to fit into the team.

BANFAN
September 17, 2012, 07:11 AM
Bowling wise I think, this is the best available and they are doing reasonably well....our worry is batting...

Out_You_Go
September 17, 2012, 07:23 AM
Play Farhad Reza instead of Razzak. He leaks runs in the leg side and Taylor would have his merry day ( vs. Pakistan, anyone?) with him. And get Zia to bowl 2-3 overs. In that case, we get 4 pacers..also suited to Palekelle.

Isnaad
September 17, 2012, 07:36 AM
Mash- 1, 3, 12, 18
Razzak- 2, 4, 17, 19
Shakib- 5, 7, 16, 20
Ziaur- 6, (+-)14
Sunny- 8, 10, 13, 15
Riyad- 9, 11, (+-)14
...
This is pretty much how I'd go. But depending on match situations, the combination would have changed.

zinatf
September 17, 2012, 09:18 AM
Ahha! Let's see what actually happens on 21st and 25th....then you can open all sort of threads you want....

Tiger444
September 17, 2012, 09:21 AM
If we play just 1 specialist pacer, then we'll become one dimensional. Farhad could come in for Shafiul.

roman
September 17, 2012, 10:17 AM
Have Zia bowl few.. Get Zunaed in the squad instead of Shafiul. Not a fan of Phordad Reza.

We have Mash, Shak, Razzaq and sunny.for 16 overs. We can use Zia, Riyad, Nasir, Ashraful for the remaining 4. why even bother playing with pacers? Who do we have besides Mash?

Mukkhostho formula te team chalai laav nai

NoName
September 17, 2012, 06:20 PM
Not a good idea, spinners are much easier to smack around in death overs, and our only decent pacer can't do death overs.

Mauryan
September 17, 2012, 07:01 PM
Quite a few people here are saying farhad reza is a good option because he can bat. but really his batting is terrible and bowling is below average even for bangladeshi. He has this allrounder tag on because of few good inings against minnows and in domestics but after watching him in zimbabwe he looks worse then sunny (who is also apprently an allrounder :S)

jeesh
September 18, 2012, 12:01 AM
FR isnt great with the bat. But he's a better bet than Shafiul or Abul with the bat. Shafiul and Abul might be better bowlers overall, but only slightly. Anyway the two are unlikely to finish their 4 over quota because they ll get whacked around. So might as well pick someone who will give you a couple of overs, and then offer some hope with the bat

Max100
September 18, 2012, 12:06 AM
Mushfiq should use all his sources, when bowlers are smacked, he should use ash, nasir or zia. It takes time for batsman to understand a new bowler and who knows they might be able to break through. In domestic circuit they are regular wkt taker. Ash is successful bowler in domestic league. He can bring a change. Instead of shafiul, i think we should play junaed. Wish we had sabbir/ najmul hossain milon instead of abul or jahurul.

BengaliPagol
September 18, 2012, 05:13 AM
Forgot pace bowlers. Just have an all out spin attack. Lets spin our way to World Cup victory

7. Ziaur Rahman
8. Arafat Sunny
9. Abdur Razzak
10. Elias Sunny
11. Enamul Haque

World Cup here we come :goal:

jeesh
September 18, 2012, 11:10 PM
Its unfortunate Arafat Sunny cant be a part of our T20 setup. He had such a good outing in BPL. Very intelligent bowler, who might be able to slot into a lot of teams. Razzak in particular needs to perform. Elias looks destined for the long run, but Razzak hasnt been great off late. Experience is important, but you must show on the field you have experience.

thebest
September 20, 2012, 06:24 AM
NTV has reported that we would play a pace (should have been face) dependent bowling attack instead of our tested spin attack. Mash at death, abul at beginning and Shafiul in the middle overs. God help us. BTW, NTV neither mention the name nor the source just the news anchor spoke those in today's lunch hour news

AsifTheManRahman
September 20, 2012, 07:58 AM
^ We are so so screwed.
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cricheart
September 20, 2012, 08:42 AM
Shafiul, Abul, Mash vs. McCullum, Ross Tylor & inform Oram... tbh not much hope

God plz help them

Tiger444
September 20, 2012, 08:51 AM
It seems they are thinking of the 3 pace attack because of the Pallekele pitch being more pace friendly. It would really be a risky decision to have Abul play such a crucial match since he's still so inexperienced. We should end up playing Sunny since the Kiwis have not faced him yet. This is where we're missing Rubel very much.

derbyzia
September 20, 2012, 08:59 AM
NTV has reported that we would play a pace (should have been face) dependent bowling attack instead of our tested spin attack. Mash at death, abul at beginning and Shafiul in the middle overs. God help us. BTW, NTV neither mention the name nor the source just the news anchor spoke those in today's lunch hour news

I do agree with the strategy to handle T20 from a different perspective. So far, I do not like selection of a regular pace bowler for T20 like as Shafiul as I do not consider him as a sheer quick/yorker bowler like Umar Gul/Malinga.
BD might be better off with a batting alrounder like Farhad Reza or include someone with similar role. Sri Lanka have pitches made for spin and not convinced about the advantage of fast medium over Slow Left Arm bowling perfected by us. Elias Sunny could have stayed.

Going forward, we need to nurture a left arm fast bowler. Syed Rasel had a good introduction but we need continued service of a LFM bowler.

derbyzia
September 20, 2012, 09:17 AM
FR isnt great with the bat. But he's a better bet than Shafiul or Abul with the bat. Shafiul and Abul might be better bowlers overall, but only slightly. Anyway the two are unlikely to finish their 4 over quota because they ll get whacked around. So might as well pick someone who will give you a couple of overs, and then offer some hope with the bat

I do agree with the role of utility players. India could not win the World Cup without Mahinder Amarnath, Jacob Oram takes away matches, Irfan Pathan offer few shots with bat. All-rounders are useful in shorter forms much more than Test.

shuziburo
September 20, 2012, 09:34 AM
I know I might sound like a broken drum, but please give Nazmul a chance for a few matches and bowl him. He might have some issues with other players and selectors. (Otherwise, his continued exclusion is unexplainable.) Can't we put the team first and put any personal issues aside? One-pacer strategy could blow up on our faces...

The 2nd pacer in the team is conceding at 9+ runs over every game no matter who it is. High time we replace him with Zunaed to prevent these usual mega collapses and chokes and play with 4 Spinners + 1 pacer.

Also, no more death over bowling with Mash please. Shak should be given that responsibility, he bowled some really good death overs in IPL, even against the likes of Dhoni and Raina in that final i think.

Tiger444
September 20, 2012, 09:38 AM
^Nazmul's not even in the team

shuziburo
September 20, 2012, 09:39 AM
NTV has reported that we would play a pace (should have been face) dependent bowling attack instead of our tested spin attack. Mash at death, abul at beginning and Shafiul in the middle overs. God help us. BTW, NTV neither mention the name nor the source just the news anchor spoke those in today's lunch hour news

What? :confused:

Rifat_02
September 20, 2012, 01:13 PM
Abul Hasan's economy rate is 10.45 in T20s, if that rumor is true then NZ batsmen will have a hard time sleeping tonight from fear of facing the might of the Bangladesh pace trio

cricheart
September 21, 2012, 02:58 PM
Mushy ultimately fall for the bluff game by NZ beeing cocerned for 12 overs of spin, stayed with 2 pacer attak again in a nothing-for-spinner-pitch.
I'm dissapointed with Mushy not to try anything innovative like starting with spin attack from start or test out with a over to Ash or Nasir while nothing was working for him. :-/

Rifat_02
September 25, 2012, 11:09 AM
3 pacers :floor: :floor: :floor:
Maybe management thought those 3 were the West Indian pacers of the 80s.
Shafiul Islam is as economical as always and Abul Hasan is a Jonty Rhodes too.