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Roni_uk
September 17, 2012, 06:13 AM
Pure slogging? Absolutely not.

Batting Analysis - I am not asking for a lot but get to your average which is around 20 (for the top 6, except Nasir whose average is 30+) @ a strike rate of 120. In other words, get to at least 100 in 80 balls ~ 13th over and then produce some intelligent (as oppose to brainless) sloggs in the last 40 balls @ 140 SR to target a total of 160-170. This should be enough for us to present a competitive total to the opponent. Adjust the SR if batting second but T20 averages is around 140-170.

Ground Analysis - both our matches are in Palekele. Looking at some stats - only teams played T20s there so far with average score of 160 (THIS SHOULD BE OUR MIN TARGET, batting first). It has so far been a heaven for 'Medium Fast Pacers'. Unless they drastically change the pitch, our strength needs to lie within the fast/medium pacers.

Bowling Analysis - Sunny or Forhad Reza is the question. Sunny on a normal day but would he be able to perform @ Pelekele that is the question. I would be a lot happier if Ashraful and Nasir shared few overs during the practise matches and replace Razzak but since it didn't happen, it seems like Razzak may just be an automatic selection (unless we bring in an extra batsman - Junaid?)

Opponent Analysis -
New Zealand - Ross Taylor and B McCullum holds the key to their batting. Their bowling has been pretty average in the past few matches but lets watch out for Bracewall and need not to mention Mr Vettori.

Pakistan - I don't know what to say about playing Saeed Ajmal, just avoid slogging against him (lol). Kamran, Hafiz, Jamshed are the key.

tanvir_nus
September 17, 2012, 06:28 AM
We have to be targeting New Zealand, they are the weaker of the two and honestly we have come very close against Pakistan in T20, ODIs and Tests but none have produced a result in the past. So, if we want to play the 2nd round we have to go out all guns blazing against New Zealand.

I want the middle-order to contribute, that means Mushfique should drop down because he is a finisher, Nasir should be promoted instead of Mushfique. I want Shafiul to be out he has lost pace, confidence and what nots. Mashrafe shouldn't bowl death overs, he is going to bowl against good players of fast bowling who will hit at everything medium-medium fast. I really want the lower order to be Mahmudullah, Zia and then Mashrafe, consider no batting afterwards. Nasir has to contribute, he just needs to score in one innings, he if a confident guy so I am hoping New Zealand will find that he is a match winner! The top order has to really pace the innings properly. Can't get out after a 50, that's an absolute no!

I think we are in for a special treat this Friday, I think the tigers are going to be really charged and we are going to see a fighting match. All our prayers with them at this time.

scoilaheez
September 17, 2012, 06:41 AM
Hoping for our best effort and urgency in the field.
Drop Shafiul and bring in extra batsmen at 8. But dont hesitate to promote mashrafe in last few overs.

Also, toss is crucial against NZ in particular who chase well.

hoodlum
September 17, 2012, 06:54 AM
Pakistan k harano to kono bepar e na. Pattai pabe na amader kache. Amader middle ta onek strong. Khub beshi strong. Onek big hitter ache amader. Shob ball mather baire jabe. Chokka r Chokka.

Out_You_Go
September 17, 2012, 07:20 AM
Though am not a specialist, but here is my take :-

NZ :- Try to bat first, set a target. They are a side that defends well and got handy death over bowlers like Franklin and Oram. We should be looking at a score of 150+ to stand any possible chance. even if we score at 7/over (which is easy even by taking singles), we reach 70 in 10 overs. For the next 5 overs, take the score near 110 - 115 (if we have any set batsman in the middle order, that should be possible). And in the last 5 overs, take fair amount of chances in conjunction with rotating strike. 25-35 runs there would take us to 140+.

However, all these are assumptions and there would be extras or even 1-2 big overs where we get say 10 runs. That should take us to 150.

For the bowling part, i suggest taking in Reza instead of Razzak and keep Sunny. Taylor and McCullum are strong leg side players and with the habituated down-the-leg-side delivery from Razzak..it would be easy picking for them. Moreover, Zia should bowl 3 overs minimum..especially after 1 or 2 wickets as batsman would take some time to settle in. Being so, we would have 3 pacers and if think-tank decides to play Shafiul..then 4.

3 overs from each of them makes it 12. Then Shakib, Sunny, Riyad can make up for the remaining. So we dont have the obligation of playing the same bowlers if they are being hit.

Pakistan :- Age NZ er sathe jite nei..tarpor dekha jabe!

Naimul_Hd
September 17, 2012, 07:33 AM
After today's match, only change i want to make is dropping Shakib down at no.4/5. Because if Shakib bats at 3 and make quick blazing 50 and gets out then it won't matter as later batsmen may not be able to capitalize the start (like today's match).

Shakib can play any position. Be it first 6 overs, in the middle or at the end whereas other batsmen like Mushy, Riyad struggle to score freely. Moreover, we are so Shakib centric that once Shakib gets out, we tend to shake.

So, my strategy would be promoting either Mushy or Riyad ahead of Shakib. So that Mushy/Riyad can play when fielding restriction is on and score some runs. And then Shakib will come and play his natural game. If any of those earlier batsmen can stay longer to support Shakib, that will be bonus.

My XI

1. Tamim
2. Ashraful
3. Mushy
4. Shakib
5. Riyad
6. Zia/Nasir
7. Nasir/Zia
8. Mashrafe
9. Shafiul
10. Razzaq
11. E.Sunny

patriot
September 17, 2012, 07:50 AM
Its high time we should give Junaid a chance one down . That would make Shakib bat at number 4 . Nasir should be replaced IMO . Hasnt impressed enough for a place in the T20 side. Yes he has a 50 against Ireland but thats about it . Rahim doesnt doesnt rate him as a bowler and I am sure Junaid could do a better job.

Miraz
September 17, 2012, 07:56 AM
Bat well, bowl well and field well.

MohammedC
September 17, 2012, 07:58 AM
Bat well, bowl well and field well.

:up: Ditto

Isnaad
September 17, 2012, 08:01 AM
I, too, think Junaid Siddique should be included in the squad. At whose cost may be a question worth asking. No not Ash. He stays. Nasir or Riyad could be an option. Or may be play only one specialist pacer i.e Mashrafe.

Naimul_Hd
September 17, 2012, 08:07 AM
Bat well, bowl well and field well.

Little correction..

Bat well, bowl well and field well than the opponent. :)

patriot
September 17, 2012, 08:08 AM
Bat well, bowl well and field well.

We do that every game but the opposition always seem to bat better , field better and bowl better than us.

Tiger444
September 17, 2012, 08:47 AM
Junaid has gotten his chances and failed to capitalize. I don't see him really being the answer. Nasir and Mushy have been doing alright. Yes they failed in the last 2 T20s but they did well before coming to SL. The team we played in the last match was the best squad we could put up IMO.

BANFAN
September 17, 2012, 08:52 AM
We do that every game but the opposition always seem to bat better , field better and bowl better than us.

Ya... Do it better than your opponents do...

There can be no other strategy to win against any opponent...

zinatf
September 17, 2012, 08:53 AM
They are professionals and hope by now they know it well what to do to WIN!

Maysun
September 17, 2012, 09:01 AM
Apart from the middle order stability concerns, another worry is our second pacer, Shafiul and Abul. Both goes at atleast 8+ rpo and can't even bat.

So here are the options:

a) Bring in Reza, while hoping that his medium pace will do well at Pakelelle. He can also rotate the strike unlike Shafiul/Abul. Let's not look at him from an all rounder PoV. He hardly has the skill to clear the boundary. But would do much better than either of the second pacers.

b) Bring in Junaid in place of Shafiul/Abul and give him the full freedom to slog intelligently at no.3 while dropping Shakib down to no.4. This will leave us with Mashrafe, Razzak, Shakib, Sunny, Riyad, Zia, Nasir and Ashraful with bowling options.

Tiger444
September 17, 2012, 09:25 AM
We could try Farhad in place of Shafiul but it's risky since he's not a frontline pacer.

cricheart
September 17, 2012, 09:34 AM
What strategy?! Eketo Dhum dharakka t20 cricket, taar upor baje khelar durnaam.
Being a minow team BD has nothing to loose there, and steping into super 8 would be a suprise to everyone.

Continuous tour over Europe, Caribbean, Srilanka ... wow he he.. nothing can be better vacation like this. So just enjoy the trip boys. Just hope local SL spectators enjoys your peformance.

Yasin.
September 17, 2012, 10:13 AM
Choke them with spin.

Field like your lives depended on it. I hope Nazir doesn't get going against us. For some reason that is all I can think of. -_-

simon
September 17, 2012, 10:15 AM
Just play your nasural game

Seriously speaking:
If win toss then bat first against NZ but definitely no chasing vs Pak as their bowlers can defend almost anything.
keep the same XI as today.
otherwise every1 needs to contribute.
ANOTHER thing is ,Consider the match against NZ as a DO OR DIE match, give your everything to beat NZ as they are the only team struggling .

mufi_02
September 17, 2012, 10:20 AM
Make the whole team eat/drink coconut oil, esp Tamim. E chara ar kono upay dekhi nah. They should also apply Jui Narikel Tel naile Parachute instead of hair gels.

cricman
September 17, 2012, 10:30 AM
M & M boys need to play at 125 S, even if it's for 10-15 balls, considering they'll probably get themselves out trying to set themselves by wasting 12 balls

Roni_uk
September 17, 2012, 10:48 AM
3 practise days to go. Can our coaches please give our bowlers some batting practises? How to take singles and all. We prob have the most pathetic tails in the world when it comes to batting.

mij
September 17, 2012, 10:49 AM
Top order need to finish the game can't leave it for bottom batsman.

NoName
September 17, 2012, 12:10 PM
Successive brainfarts at once should also be avoided.

Dilscoop
September 17, 2012, 12:12 PM
Win the game.

Mashfan
September 17, 2012, 01:30 PM
Drop Mushy, Bring in Jaharul Islam, Had enough of this guy! He is so lucky to be playing for BD team. I remember clearly that before he was named BD Captain, the was so much talk and debate at BCB to replace Mushfiq due to his poor form. This guy alway's mention's about "we have shakib", "we have Tamim" yet when both Shakib and Tamim Perform, the guy and our poor middle order ruins the day.! If he fails to perform against NZ, better step down as captain and dropped from the National team!

Ajfar
September 17, 2012, 02:50 PM
Score more runs than your opponent, ar kisu lagbe na. Aie ta korle mone hoi amra jit-te parbo

AMD128
September 17, 2012, 02:55 PM
My strategy? Avert Middle-order collapse. Get off to a flying start and carry on the momentum. Bowl well esp. in the death. Avoid giving extras. Bring in part-timers (Ex- Zia,Ash,Nasir) to bowl when batsmens look well set.

Jadukor
September 17, 2012, 08:47 PM
Bring in part-timers (Ex- Zia,Ash,Nasir) to bowl when batsmens look well set.[/b]

How does this help?

sharup
September 17, 2012, 08:55 PM
Keep sledging them about the 4-0 bangla wash. That should do the trick.

Jokes aside, I am sure the management already tried several of their strategies in the last few months. I do think the boys are now better equipped with T20 game plans.

Batting - We should understand the value and importance of our wickets. With that in mind we should have a target of 170/175. At least two of our top orders should score 50 or nearer. At least two of our middle order batsmen should score 20+. Razzak should bat at 11 as he's an useless option in the camp when it comes to batting. When wickets are tumbling we should try to score singles/twos and a boundary.


Fielding/Bowling - As tight as possible.

Rifat
September 17, 2012, 08:56 PM
post #28 and #26 did it for me :saint:

Zunaid
September 17, 2012, 08:56 PM
Score more runs than your opponent, ar kisu lagbe na. Aie ta korle mone hoi amra jit-te parbo

:top:

What else is there?

sharup
September 17, 2012, 09:02 PM
Score more runs than your opponent, ar kisu lagbe na. Aie ta korle mone hoi amra jit-te parbo

But the question is what strategy or game plan should we execute to score those runs?

kalpurush
September 17, 2012, 09:35 PM
Bat well, bowl well and field well.
First, select the right squad!

deshprem
September 17, 2012, 09:36 PM
so if the bd team carry out these strategies, they will win?

tanvir_nus
September 17, 2012, 10:06 PM
Against New Zealand it's a DO or DIE match. Show 200% commitment and intensity, the whole nation is praying, we should win this InshAllah!

tanvir_nus
September 18, 2012, 12:07 AM
This is why we should have won the practice game!!!! Now there might be loss of confidence in the team and worse chopping and too many changes which creates imbalance anyways. It's too late for that, and the team is good enough probably, there is no shoaib akhter or brett lee waiting. Focus on the team and what we have and try to do the best guys. I hope the selectors are wise and select the best team for Bangladesh. But, this match has to be won by Bangladesh. This is IT

Imteaz
September 18, 2012, 12:22 AM
Play better cricket than opponent does. Will be enough, whoever the opponent is.

BengaliPagol
September 18, 2012, 05:17 AM
If people are just that in love for Shafiul to be up the order then just let him bat at #4 then.

RazabQ
September 18, 2012, 06:00 PM
The right plan can and will make a difference. And we need to be cut-throat. We cannot afford to carry more than 1 out-of-form, low overall strike rate player in the team. Unfortunately we have two that are automatic selections in Mushy and Riyadh (C & VC). So Nasir has to go - he should be coming in as a substitute fielder. So who comes in?

In the Pakistan game the answer is obvious. Unlike his English counterpart, Ajmal is actually less effective against left-handers (http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/551882.html). Accepting the Hafeez (he's good against lefties) threat, the man who comes in has to be JuSi. His debut match, aginst almost the same bowlers (sans Ajmal) he scored a fabulous 71 at 144.5SR (http://www.espncricinfo.com/twenty20wc/engine/match/287875.html?view=pvp). Against another quality spinner friendly attack (Ojha, Bhajji, et al) he scored a 41 at 188SR (http://www.espncricinfo.com/wt202009/engine/match/355994.html?view=pvp); albeit most of the runs were scored against pacers

Zia has to bowl at Palekele. He should have been given a few overs in the practice match but his dobblers just might work, especially under floodlights.

On the 3rd pacer it's a toss up between Shafi, Abu and Reza. Yes Shafi has the best economy rate of them historically but given his tailing form with the bat and the likelihood that all our 2nd pacers will be targeted by the opposition, do you opt for the greater explosiveness with the bat of of an Abu Hassan or the greater reliability of a Reza? I'm on the fence on that.

Sunny/Razzak/Shak are our wicket taking options so much as I'd like to drop one of them and have Riyadh pick up the load I'm not confident. If one has to be dropped it's gotta be Razzak. Sunny's loop gives him the edge here even though he was the goat for the Ireland loss. If we drop one SLA, one of Omi or Nasir comes in here.

As for toss strategy - against Pakistan we have to Bat first. They are more likely to choke chasing then in defending.

Opposite with NZ, restrict them to a small total and then hope our unorthodoxy in batting their conventional bowling attack.

Max100
September 18, 2012, 06:34 PM
I would like to have the same team but i want more bowling rotation. If mash gets beaten, dont fulfill his quota, its not necessary. I want de villiers strategy, he rotate bowlers non stop.

Mash, ash, razzaq, shakib, elias, zia, riad, nasir all should bowl. Shakib and elias might be able to bowl full 4 overs, rest should chip in

Among 3 pacer-- i wud choose shafiul, he is clever than other two. Though i prefer junaed instead of shafi

Mash first 2 over, may be middle 1 over, never ever last 5

Razzaq--- open

Elias sunny-- trump card
Shakib-- 4 over
Ash, riad, nasir---- 1 over each
Zia 2 or 3 over

Navo
September 19, 2012, 03:50 AM
Sunny/Razzak/Shak are our wicket taking options so much as I'd like to drop one of them and have Riyadh pick up the load I'm not confident. If one has to be dropped it's gotta be Razzak. Sunny's loop gives him the edge here even though he was the goat for the Ireland loss. If we drop one SLA, one of Omi or Nasir comes in here.

Razab bhai, you raise an interesting point regarding Riyad's bowling. At present, Razzak is still a better bowler than Riyad but his inclusion means that the batting order practically ends after Mash at No. 8. If Riyad's bowling continues to improve, there could be an argument made that his off-spin provides variation to Raj's SLAs and that dropping Raj could make way for another batsman. (In T20s, it could be someone explosive like Sabbir Rahman, who also provides a legspin option along with destructive batting)

BengaliPagol
September 19, 2012, 04:13 AM
The thing i am worried about is our pace bowling.

Dhakablues
September 19, 2012, 01:17 PM
Judging by how Pakistan was bowled out against England and succmed to SLAs,, we may consider to use spin to open the attack along with Mashrafee,, The key against Pakistan is to get wickets at the begining even if it leaks run because Pakistan bats deep and can accelerate anytime if they have wickets in hand. For NZ, they are like BD team-- Top/Middle order is the key and the lower order can't score. If we can slow down NZ batting at the begining, they wont be able to pile up runs later during the innings.. So I would say go defensive against NZ and offensive against PAK..

Naimul_Hd
September 19, 2012, 08:07 PM
I am having this weird feeling. We will lose to NZ but will beat Pakistan. But will be out of the tourney due to NRR. :(

Zunaid
September 19, 2012, 08:24 PM
I am having this weird feeling. We will lose to NZ but will beat Pakistan. But will be out of the tourney due to NRR. :(

I am having this not so weird feeling you are wrong.

Dhakablues
September 19, 2012, 08:47 PM
I am having this weird feeling. We will lose to NZ but will beat Pakistan. But will be out of the tourney due to NRR. :(

You might be right for the first part... but I don't expect us to be out this time because we are one of the better prepared team playing at suitable conditions..NZ is facing major issues with their core players being sick;

Rabz
September 19, 2012, 11:54 PM
Take care of Bazz and Rosco, that will do it.
Play Vettori with respect, the rest will leak runs by themselves.

Open with Raz while bowling.
Spin spin spin, get 'em on the web.

Bat sensibly.

rinathq
September 20, 2012, 01:07 AM
my 1 cent
Assuming that the Tigers do get to play the match despite the weather, they will have to be aggressive. Pallekele doesn’t have much for the spinners but our pacers do not have much to offer either. If Mushfiq is bold enough, he will start with a spin attack rather than a usual, predictable pace attack. Just like Kolkata Knight Riders starts with Shakib, Bangladesh should do the same. New Zealand has a poor reputation against playing spinners and to our advantage, we have loads of them. If Shakib can prevent the Kiwi top order from firing the top guns while the fielding restriction is on place, It will be easy pickings for Razzaq, Sunny and Riyad later on. If Bangladesh starts with Mashrafe and Shafiul, The Kiwis can build a good platform early on and that means, they don’t have to take a lot of risks against the spinners.
Now Mashrafe is a handy bowler and if used correctly, he can keep things tight and bag some wickets. He should be bowling the middle overs when there is fielding restriction on. Mashrafe tried that against the Irish on the 3rd ODI and that was his best bowling all year! Mashrafe bowling at death overs is a disaster and Mushfiq must plan out the 20 overs so that he does not have to give Mashrafe or any other seamer the last few overs to bowl. Shakib starts, Shakib ends that should be the strategy. Razzaq is also effective early on and Riyad proved a handy death over bowler before. Bangladesh should anyhow restrict the Kiwis by 140. Pallekele is not known for the highest scoring games and Bangladesh does not have the kind of batting order to chase larger total.
For Batting, the only strategy to apply is bring Mushfiq down the order and promote Riyad. Mushfiq is a game changer and would be better off to play later while Riyad is more of an innings builder. It is not a good idea to promote Nasir up as he lacks experience for a batting order promotion.

simon
September 20, 2012, 01:22 AM
kalker kotha bhabtei amar kemon jani :ohno: dubaibo re dubaibo

simon
September 20, 2012, 02:06 AM
bhaloito strategy cholchey ...eibar thekay ke
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BengaliPagol
September 20, 2012, 03:42 AM
spot on rinathq

Roni_uk
September 20, 2012, 05:39 AM
Real good strategies from some of you. I just wish our real strategists aka coach and the captain would read some of these posts.

reyme
September 20, 2012, 07:45 PM
Real good strategies from some of you. I just wish our real strategists aka coach and the captain would read some of these posts.

Exactly. I just hope the coaching staff prepared our captain well. Mushy has been below par when it comes to captaincy. And I will point fingers to the coach for Mushy's poor bowling rotation.

1. Play 3 left arm spinners and 2 Pacers. No point playing 3 pacers, I dont want to see Abul and Shafiul getting murdered by Ross and McCullum and end up bowling 1 over each! I would only play 1 pacer, if I was the coach, since this is not our strength!

2. Win the toss and bat first. Lose the toss and start right away with spin. I am tired of seeing pacers getting whacked in the 1st 5 overs.

3. Dont use Mash at the death overs. He just cant do it. Zia is better. Ash and Nasir should get some bowling against left hand batsmen.

Bottom line: right team selection, good gameplan (right bowling rotation), focus by players and some real luck (dont drop catches and dont miss runouts or stumpings).

Finally: To the Umpires: For GOD's sake stop giving wrong decisions against us! We have a game to win!!

kiwibd
September 20, 2012, 09:14 PM
To beat NZ, we have to worry about what we can control not hope that NZ will crumble against our mighty spinners. I feel in our recent middle over crumbling, getting to anywhere between 70-80 for the loss of max 2 wickets after 10 overs should be a goal. Atleast one of the middle order batsmen has to click today! With the bowling keep Shakib and Mash to bowl last 2 overs in the death. Also give mahudullah an over at the start to bowl to Franklin.
Also, DONT PLAY THE SCOOP SHOT!!

Zeeshan
September 20, 2012, 09:14 PM
We have to go out there and really need to play good cricket.

kiwibd
September 20, 2012, 09:15 PM
Finally: To the Umpires: For GOD's sake stop giving wrong decisions against us! We have a game to win!!

haha in that case we're fine. NZ and BAN both have been getting rubbish decisions against them in the recent past so hopefully both teams don't get rubbish decisions.

Zeeshan
September 21, 2012, 07:01 PM
that went well....

now for next round to pakistan

Gowza
September 21, 2012, 07:45 PM
strategy should be to be stubborn, don't give them an inch as the saying goes give them and inch and they'll take a mile.