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Ian Pont
September 21, 2012, 02:37 AM
Without wishing to jinx anything, Bangladesh are perfectly capable of beating NZ today.

I am sure we will come back to this comment after the result to see if it was true, but the fact is BD can win this and really should win this.

The side is better placed than it was in 2010 when the Banglawash happened in the 4 matches of 50 overs. This time, the squad has more depth, more experience, and for me, the right Head Coach.

The great thing about T20 is that it is unpredictable and any side can win on any given day. The difference between teams is whether they can bowl more dot balls than the opposition and have big overs. Both of those take the game away.

The BPL taught the guys to play and gave them momentum. The Asia Cup carried that forward. If Pybus has got it right he will tap into that spirit and use it to have specific roles for each of the squad so there is no panic - just simple execution of their plans.

I am backing a BD win today for those reasons. NZ are rebuilding and not the side they once were. The conditions suit BD. The ball will grip (for spin) even though pitches have more grass on them.

Good luck to the BD players today. :up:

sheikh
September 21, 2012, 02:51 AM
Like.

Fingers crossed.

deshprem
September 21, 2012, 02:52 AM
ian pont and bangladesh zindabad !!!!!!! :flag::flag::up::up::big_hug::big_hug:

Naimul_Hd
September 21, 2012, 02:55 AM
But i am bit concerned about Pallekele's pitch. It will suit NZ fast bowlers. It has got pace and bounce. Our batsmen will be in trouble if they want to play too much hook and pull. Not sure about much turn our spinners will get. Our spinners can't turn the ball anyway :)

Best of luck tigers !!!! :)

Dilscoop
September 21, 2012, 03:10 AM
BTE

Best. Thread. Ever.

BANFAN
September 21, 2012, 04:23 AM
Cheers...:)

Yasin.
September 21, 2012, 04:32 AM
Yes we all want Bangladesh to win. Yes we know that they can win. Its about giving your very best for 40 overs.

Yes it is absolutely possible that we will get killed by new Zealand.

Please don't point at Asia Cups success and the 4-0 Banglawash to say that we should definitely win the match. This is a different format. This is a format where couple of months back we didn't even have a ranking. This is a format where 10 balls faced by Jos Buttler can change the whole game. This is a format where Pakistan chases 186 one day and the next day they cant even chases 111. This is a format where one bad over bowled by a Mahmudullah, dot balls played by a Sunny, stupidity of the middle order will mean defeat.

New Zealand are prepared. Very very well prepared. They have beaten India in India no matter the margin. They have almost chased South Africas mammoth target facing the likes of Steyn and Morkel. Our bowlers? Heck we do not even have a stable pace attack.

But we can still win. We can still win. There is no doubt about that. There is no doubt that we are improving. Yes its been told for 12 years or so but the signs are more frequent now. We love this team. We support this team. Regardless of the the result today, keep that love alive. Keep on supporting.

Believe.

Come on Bangladesh.

Ian Pont
September 21, 2012, 04:58 AM
Please don't point at Asia Cups success and the 4-0 Banglawash to say that we should definitely win the match. This is a different format.

I said this: The BPL taught the guys to play and gave them momentum. The Asia Cup carried that forward. If Pybus has got it right he will tap into that spirit and use it to have specific roles for each of the squad so there is no panic - just simple execution of their plans.

I was talking about momentum and spirit NOT the fact that the wins ages ago affect this match. :facepalm:

Yasin.
September 21, 2012, 06:32 AM
I got what you have mentioned Coach but a lot of people [and not just on this forum] keep mentioned past ODIs success while comparing with T20s.

Well we have just been toyed around by McCullum and they scored 191. Will need to have our best day in cricket ever to chase this :P

Night_wolf
September 21, 2012, 06:40 AM
Sob ai thread er dos :mad:

simon
September 21, 2012, 07:15 AM
Thread Phail
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mr cricket
September 21, 2012, 07:19 AM
Have faith guys. We can still beat Pakistan if we play like we did in Asia Cup.

Habib
September 21, 2012, 07:22 AM
Whoops. Kalam bhai raped us.

simon
September 21, 2012, 07:34 AM
Have faith guys. We can still beat Pakistan if we play like we did in Asia Cup.

No we cant cause we lost both matches against Pak.
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mr cricket
September 21, 2012, 07:43 AM
No we cant cause we lost both matches against Pak.
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Yea, by only 3 runs. With enough motivation we can beat them.

Yasin.
September 21, 2012, 08:01 AM
Have faith guys. We can still beat Pakistan if we play like we did in Asia Cup.

Thats a different format. Something I have been repeatedly saying. We beat NZ 4-0. So what? That was a different format.

Lets face it. We do not have enough power hitters. We do not have that one player in the top order whose name send down shivers among bowlers. A Gayle, Sehwag, McCullum, Warner, Nazir/Afridi [even though they are inconsistent]. Neither do we have pacers who can bowl pinpoint yorkers. We still have a long way to learn in this format. We are a better ODI team than a better T20 team.

Can we beat Pakistan? Of course we can. Its cricket after all. And Pakistan scored 186 but collapsed big time against England and Australia.

AsifTheManRahman
September 21, 2012, 08:03 AM
Rubbish, absolute rubbish from the team! I thought only the Bangladeshi fans were ever optimistic, but going into this game, people from all over the world thought we'd win it. But on what basis? Seems like our players, coaches and management are too content with mediocre performances, almost as if no one heard the alarm bells ringing! We lost to Zimbabwe, Scotland, the Netherlands, T&T, the cup to Afghanistan (lowest of all lows), Ireland and now this. Seriously, no one saw this coming? The team has been traveling everywhere, losing to everyone and our idiotic players go on and on about how they're coming together as a team. What the heck did you do in the last six/seven years then? Then you have the blind fans who go on and on about how these are just practice games, how our team is better than this, how these results don't matter. Better on what basis? Losing the cup to Afghanistan? Not putting up a fight against Scotland? Practice match or not, if they can beat us why can't we beat them? How much longer will these people be in denial? Absolutely disgusting.

I'm sorry, but for all their travels, the players have done nothing. Looks like the coaching has been inadequate, there are no plans, no one (not even the coach) seems to care that we're losing to associates, because at the end of the day it's all good. What the bloody heck? What kind of jacka***s do they think we are? Oh wait, they're right, they say their performance has been great and we laud that attitude everyday, doesn't matter if it's Bhutan or Mongolia that we lose to.

Bull crap show by a bunch of less than ordinary players playing like club cricketers. And people around the world thought Bangladesh would beat NZ. Well, let's see us beat Uzbekistan first.
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firstlane
September 21, 2012, 08:15 AM
Thread smartly opened.

Ian Pont
September 21, 2012, 08:29 AM
Well that was too poor for words!

Bowling was dreadful at the death, batting looks like nothing has been learned and fielding just rotten.

Tamim, Sakib have to bat properly as the 'stars" and not just be happy they are on "TV". If Nasir can do it, then the rest can.. he's only young but already showing up the more 'senior' players with the bat.

I am so disappointed by this showing. It seemed to lack passion or a plan. Conversely, NZ had planned to negate the left arm spin, McCullum admitted this.

Everyone knows about SLA from BD.. it's old hat now. Fresh ideas, fresh thoughts and a fresh approach required. Time to plan ahead and not look from match to match hoping to upset a higher ranked team.

This defeat has left me depressed. Shafiul looks a shadow of the bowler he was in 2010.

nizzle
September 21, 2012, 08:32 AM
Rubbish, absolute rubbish from the team! I thought only the Bangladeshi fans were ever optimistic, but going into this game, people from all over the world thought we'd win it. But on what basis? Seems like our players, coaches and management are too content with mediocre performances, almost as if no one heard the alarm bells ringing! We lost to Zimbabwe, Scotland, the Netherlands, T&T, the cup to Afghanistan (lowest of all lows), Ireland and now this. Seriously, no one saw this coming? The team has been traveling everywhere, losing to everyone and our idiotic players go on and on about how they're coming together as a team. What the heck did you do in the last six/seven years then? Then you have the blind fans who go on and on about how these are just practice games, how our team is better than this, how these results don't matter. Better on what basis? Losing the cup to Afghanistan? Not putting up a fight against Scotland? Practice match or not, if they can beat us why can't we beat them? How much longer will these people be in denial? Absolutely disgusting.

I'm sorry, but for all their travels, the players have done nothing. Looks like the coaching has been inadequate, there are no plans, no one (not even the coach) seems to care that we're losing to associates, because at the end of the day it's all good. What the bloody heck? What kind of jacka***s do they think we are? Oh wait, they're right, they say their performance has been great and we laud that attitude everyday, doesn't matter if it's Bhutan or Mongolia that we lose to.

Bull crap show by a bunch of less than ordinary players playing like club cricketers. And people around the world thought Bangladesh would beat NZ. Well, let's see us beat Uzbekistan first.
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very very well put :facepalm:

Kohli_Sox
September 21, 2012, 08:35 AM
Seriously there was no plans, not a single one; didn't see any messenger sent during the game too which is a bit weird imo. All the top teams have PLAN A, B, C or even D and we looked like have only PLAN A and nothing else. Really utterly massive disappointment esp after all the hype

nizzle
September 21, 2012, 09:04 AM
Seriously there was no plans, not a single one; didn't see any messenger sent during the game too which is a bit weird imo. All the top teams have PLAN A, B, C or even D and we looked like have only PLAN A and nothing else. Really utterly massive disappointment esp after all the hype

Tbh i dont even think we had a plan A, the way Sakib/Tamim gave their wickets away and played so negatively was as if they had given up after looking at the 190 plus score, trust me even if afganistan was chasing 190 loosing 2-3 quick wickets they'd go down fighting but bangladesh didnt even have any real plan on how to go about chasing 190. They were just thinkin keep it to 160 or less and we'll chase it, anything over 160 we've lost, wait for next game :down::facepalm:

NoName
September 21, 2012, 09:05 AM
Their only plan for the last few months were throw all the SLA's at NZ, they never even anticipated the fact that they could have played in a pitch that had no turn, but no they stick to throwing all our SLA's at them. Accompanying those SLA is one decent pacer, who can't even do death bowling and another pacer who just can't bowl in general thinking the SLA's will have it covered.

mufi_02
September 21, 2012, 09:15 AM
Ei thread pura kata gayer nuner chitar moton. khali nun nah, mone hoy pura bombay morich galaiya chita ditase.

22Yards
September 21, 2012, 09:15 AM
Their only plan for the last few months were throw all the SLA's at NZ, they never even anticipated the fact that they could have played in a pitch that had no turn, but no they stick to throwing all our SLA's at them. Accompanying those SLA is one decent pacer, who can't even do death bowling and another pacer who just can't bowl in general thinking the SLA's will have it covered.
We really dont have quality pacers in our arsenal and hence we opted for all spinners but i thought the wicket was just as harsh as was kalam bhai favoring seam and nothing for our spinners.

NoName
September 21, 2012, 09:20 AM
Exactly we don't have quality pacers, you'd think for the last few months during our 'preparation' there would be at least some program or an attempt to improve our pace department. We hired a spin specialist but neglected our pace completely. Did the BCB honestly think they would be strolling down the tracks favoring spin throughout the tourney. Expect our spinners to be destroyed on pitches with no turn by much more experienced team. Every single pacer that joins the team just comes and goes.

oronnya
September 21, 2012, 09:21 AM
manusher onek budhhi... agei beshi proshongsha korse jehetu jane e ashol jaigai result ki hobe so ichhamoto tokhon kotha shonano jabe... :D

oronnya
September 21, 2012, 09:24 AM
Ei thread pura kata gayer nuner chitar moton. khali nun nah, mone hoy pura bombay morich galaiya chita ditase.

uddeshho shofol...

mufi_02
September 21, 2012, 09:25 AM
manusher onek budhhi... agei beshi proshongsha korse jehetu jane e ashol jaigai result ki hobe so ichhamoto tokhon kotha shonano jabe... :D

haha apu, amio sheta bhabsi. ashole tarei BCAuntie howa uchit.

oronnya
September 21, 2012, 09:31 AM
haha apu, amio sheta bhabsi. ashole tarei BCAuntie howa uchit.

:D :D .. idea ta mondo na ;)

shuta ta prothom dekhei shondeho hoyechhilo... ekhon ta pakapokto hoilo ;)

SMHasan
September 21, 2012, 11:33 AM
Well that was too poor for words!

Bowling was dreadful at the death, batting looks like nothing has been learned and fielding just rotten.

Tamim, Sakib have to bat properly as the 'stars" and not just be happy they are on "TV". If Nasir can do it, then the rest can.. he's only young but already showing up the more 'senior' players with the bat.

I am so disappointed by this showing. It seemed to lack passion or a plan. Conversely, NZ had planned to negate the left arm spin, McCullum admitted this.

Everyone knows about SLA from BD.. it's old hat now. Fresh ideas, fresh thoughts and a fresh approach required. Time to plan ahead and not look from match to match hoping to upset a higher ranked team.

This defeat has left me depressed. Shafiul looks a shadow of the bowler he was in 2010.

During commentary someone mentioned that Wasim Akram suggested Saqlain and Pybus to bat first if we win the toss, but heck who cares about Wasim's knowledge? Mushfiq won it and handed NZ a gift that is rare. It was a suicide. Why we bowled first? To have swing and early movement? Those bowlers didn't even bowl good lengths. There were everywhere, messed up.

If you think you want to use the early movement then why take 3 spinners? Its clear that we didn't have any plan, we just randomly chose to bowl first.

Just imagine Elias Sunny bowled one full toss and next ball was a half tracker!! Man it was terrible, not good enough at this level. Shafiul can't hit the deck at all, he has a faulty action, needs to work on that, he leans too much during release time. Can't believe BCB doesn't do anything for the pacers.

What else? I am depressed and down. Simply we didn't have the basics right.

SMHasan
September 21, 2012, 11:40 AM
Rubbish, absolute rubbish from the team! I thought only the Bangladeshi fans were ever optimistic, but going into this game, people from all over the world thought we'd win it. But on what basis? Seems like our players, coaches and management are too content with mediocre performances, almost as if no one heard the alarm bells ringing! We lost to Zimbabwe, Scotland, the Netherlands, T&T, the cup to Afghanistan (lowest of all lows), Ireland and now this. Seriously, no one saw this coming? The team has been traveling everywhere, losing to everyone and our idiotic players go on and on about how they're coming together as a team. What the heck did you do in the last six/seven years then? Then you have the blind fans who go on and on about how these are just practice games, how our team is better than this, how these results don't matter. Better on what basis? Losing the cup to Afghanistan? Not putting up a fight against Scotland? Practice match or not, if they can beat us why can't we beat them? How much longer will these people be in denial? Absolutely disgusting.

I'm sorry, but for all their travels, the players have done nothing. Looks like the coaching has been inadequate, there are no plans, no one (not even the coach) seems to care that we're losing to associates, because at the end of the day it's all good. What the bloody heck? What kind of jacka***s do they think we are? Oh wait, they're right, they say their performance has been great and we laud that attitude everyday, doesn't matter if it's Bhutan or Mongolia that we lose to.

Bull crap show by a bunch of less than ordinary players playing like club cricketers. And people around the world thought Bangladesh would beat NZ. Well, let's see us beat Uzbekistan first.

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Well said ATMR.

Loosing to associates frequently means we are not good enough, we are closure to them not the big boys. No wonder people still demand us to hand over our test status.

What we saw today? And in the last few weeks? Loss to Ireland, Scotland, Netherland..how low it can get?

Don't know what to say. Lost words. Dhurrr...

No plan, no analysis, nothing. Simply we thought our SLA's are unbeatable. We succumbed to ourselves.

A team full of headless chickens.

Dilscoop
September 21, 2012, 02:53 PM
Shobai ei zinksta k daam/mullo daow. Lal banaow, negative koro. Aheem, ekhon gola thik kori... So calm down guys! Pont showed confidence in our boys like a coach/fan would do. But the boys let us all down. Hardly his fault. Beta ekta. Don't believe in jinx.

mali007
September 21, 2012, 02:57 PM
During commentary someone mentioned that Wasim Akram suggested Saqlain and Pybus to bat first if we win the toss, but heck who cares about Wasim's knowledge? Mushfiq won it and handed NZ a gift that is rare. It was a suicide. Why we bowled first? To have swing and early movement? Those bowlers didn't even bowl good lengths. There were everywhere, messed up.

If you think you want to use the early movement then why take 3 spinners? Its clear that we didn't have any plan, we just randomly chose to bowl first.

Just imagine Elias Sunny bowled one full toss and next ball was a half tracker!! Man it was terrible, not good enough at this level. Shafiul can't hit the deck at all, he has a faulty action, needs to work on that, he leans too much during release time. Can't believe BCB doesn't do anything for the pacers.

What else? I am depressed and down. Simply we didn't have the basics right.

:up::up::up:

Dilscoop
September 21, 2012, 03:01 PM
If you think you want to use the early movement then why take 3 spinners? Its clear that we didn't have any plan, we just randomly chose to bowl first.

Nope, there was a plan. We bowl first, and our super class world's best spinners will just nail em down, just like that, and we will chase 110 and win with an hr to spare.

mali007
September 21, 2012, 03:54 PM
Even McCullum was surprised with our decision to field first !!
বাংলাদেশের সিদ্ধান্তে অবাক হয়েছি ॥ ম্যাককালাম
স্পোর্টস রিপোর্টার ॥ টি২০ ক্রিকেটে একজন ক্রিকেটারই যথেষ্ট ম্যাচের ফলাফল ঘুরিয়ে দেয়ার জন্য। আর সেটাই প্রমাণ করেছেন ব্রেন্ডন ম্যাককালাম। টি২০ বিশ্বকাপের দ্বিতীয় দ্রুততম শতরান হাঁকিয়েছেন বাংলাদেশের বিরুদ্ধে নিজেদের প্রথম ম্যাচে। ৫৮ বলে ১২৩ রানের যে ইনিংস খেলেছেন তাতে ছিল ১১ চার ও ৭ ছক্কা। আর তাঁর করা এ ইনিংসটি ছিল টি২০ ক্রিকেটের ইতিহাসে সর্বোচ্চ ব্যক্তিগত ইনিংস। এক ম্যাককালামের বিধ্বংসী ব্যাটিংয়ের কারণেই ১৯১ রানের পাহাড়সম ইনিংস গড়েছে নিউজিল্যান্ড আর ফলশ্রুতিতে ৫৯ রানের বড় পরাজয় বরণ করতে হয়েছে বাংলাদেশকে। তবে মাঠের ভেতরে-বাইরে এমনকি প্রতিপক্ষ নিউজিল্যান্ডের শিবিরেও টস জিতে মুশফিকদের আগে ফিল্ডিং করার সিদ্ধান্ত সমালোচিত হয়েছে। রীতিমতো অবাক হয়েছে নিউজিল্যান্ড দল। সেটাই জানালেন অতিমানবীয় এক ইনিংস উপহার দিয়ে ম্যাচসেরা ম্যাককালাম। ম্যাচ শেষে সংবাদ সম্মেলনে এ বিস্ময়ের কথা জানান তিনি।
পাল্লেকেলেতে পরে ব্যাটিং করে জয়ের রেকর্ড নেই। এরপরও বাংলাদেশ টস জিতেও আগে ফিল্ডিং নেয়ার খেসারত দিয়েছে। অবাক হয়েছেন ম্যাককালাম নিজেও। তিনি বলেন, ‘আমরা বাংলাদেশের সিদ্ধান্তে অবাক হয়েছিলাম। কারণ এই উইকেটে কেউ টস জিতে পরে ব্যাট করে না। আমরা টস জিতলে আগেই ব্যাট করতাম। বাংলাদেশকে ফিল্ডিংয়ের আমন্ত্রণ জানাতাম।’ এমন একটি জয়ের কথাই ম্যাচের আগের দিন ইঙ্গিত করেছিলেন অধিনায়ক রস টেলর। ম্যাচে শেষে নিজেদের জয় আর পরবর্তী ম্যাচ সম্পর্কে কথা বলেন ম্যাচ সেরা ম্যাককালাম। ৫১ বলে সেঞ্চুরি ছুঁয়ে ফেলা ম্যাককালাম বলেন, ‘আসলে আমাদের টার্গেট ছিল জয়। আমরা সে লক্ষ্যেই খেলেছি।’ দলের জয় আগেভাগে নিশ্চিত করে ফেলার জন্যই হয়ত নিজের ব্যাটে আগুন ঝরিয়েছেন ম্যাককালাম। এ বিষয়ে ম্যাককালাম বলেন, ‘আমি আমার স্বাভাবিক খেলাটাই খেলেছি। প্রতিপক্ষ অস্ট্রেলিয়া হলে যেভাবে খেলতাম সেভাবে আজও খেলেছি। কোন পার্থক্য নেই। আমরা বাংলাদেশকে হালকাভাবে নেইনি বলেই জয়টা সহজ হয়েছে। আর পরবর্তী ম্যাচে প্রতিপক্ষ পাকিস্তান। আমাদের এখন ঐ ম্যাচের দিকেই দৃষ্টি।’

Ajfar
September 21, 2012, 05:24 PM
^ I don't know which BD news paper that is, but I'm pretty sure they just made this up. I'm going to take a wild guess a say that's KK.

This is what McCullum said according to cricinfo.

"We were uncertain ourselves about what to do at the toss with rain about," McCullum said. "It may have arrived at some point. It's a well-known fact that Duckworth-Lewis favours the team which is going to bat second, especially this form of the game. It [Bangladesh's decision] didn't surprise me a great deal. When they bowled in the first over or so the ball was kissing off quite nicely so they would have been reasonably pleased with that decision."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-world-twenty20-2012/content/story/583314.html

Roey Haque
September 21, 2012, 06:07 PM
We lost the match at two points of the game.

1. When Mash dropped McCullum at 92.
2. When Tamim was out at 0. ( Seriously, all this Tamim worshiping has to stop. I know cricket like baseball doesn't necessarily require a fit body, especially when it comes to strikers. But Tamim has to have gained at least 30 pounds. And whenever he gets out, the top order starts pissing their pants.)

Altogether, a horse manure performance by Bd. I will try to remember Nas's mid air slice shot for a 6 and try to forget everything else about this disaster of a match.

i_1_primeval_man
September 21, 2012, 06:23 PM
manusher onek budhhi... agei beshi proshongsha korse jehetu jane e ashol jaigai result ki hobe so ichhamoto tokhon kotha shonano jabe... :D

Spot on. Ekhon shafiul ke niye maya kanna kantese. Koi baki bowler jara spinner tarao to bedhorok mar khaise. Oder ke niye kanna nai keno? Ekhon bolbe Podma Shetur orthayone shomoshshar karon lack of investing in professional coaching.

BengaliPagol
September 21, 2012, 07:01 PM
Nasir is a big match performer. Id like to give Riyad chances but he isnt capitalising with the bat. It seems like pace bowlers will be making an impact throughout this tournament and since our pace department is very poor we are going in for a tough time.

firstlane
September 21, 2012, 07:59 PM
I wonder whats the purpose of this thread. Mr. Pont could wish the boys good luck before the game or criticise after the loss in the match thread.

Ian Pont
September 22, 2012, 01:35 AM
I wonder whats the purpose of this thread. Mr. Pont could wish the boys good luck before the game or criticise after the loss in the match thread.

Does a thread have to have a hidden purpose? Sometimes comments get lost in a bigger thread. In this one there is less.

It would be pretty dull to have every comment about all aspects of a match in one single thread, and it would be hard to follow.

Rabz
September 22, 2012, 02:16 AM
Even Taylor wanted to bowl first had he won the toss. So, I dont see how bowling first is an issue here.

Ar bhai, dont take Wasim's word for Gold.
Remember, he is the guy who recommended Mohsin Kamal to BCB and actually brokered the deal to have him as our coach. The rest was history.