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jeesh
September 23, 2012, 10:10 AM
1) Bat First: When you win the toss and decide to bowl first, you have a higher probability of losing even before the first ball is delivered-especially in the wickets of Sri Lanka. Mushfiq clearly didnt consider history and past matches in the stadium when deciding to bowl first, but Mohammad Hafeez surely did. Also in big matches in a big tournament, you are always better off posting a big total and then defending. It is pressure that makes a quality player seem average. Brendon McCullum might have been merciless against Bangladesh. But under pressure he couldnt get going with the some fluency.

2) Build Your Innings/Provide Platform: Whether you are batting first, or chasing a big total it is always helpful to start slow and build your innings-even if it is T20. Notice how Chris Gayle, Kohli plays. They dont start whacking from ball 1. They face a few deliveries, rotate strike, get the blood flowing then unleash. Most of Pakistan's batsmen did exactly that. Shakib, Tamim, Mushfiq were in a hurry and threw their wickets-stark contrast to Nasir.

Mohammad Hafeez aka The Professor also did something that is essential even in T20-provide the team a platform. Pakistan's intelligent captain hit a vital 43, most importantly allowed Imran Nazir and Nasir Jamshed play their natural games. By the time Hafeez got out Pakistan were in their 120's with nearly 7 overs to go. It is essential one of our top 4 gives us a platform like this.

3) Mix It Up: Pakistan has one of the best bowling attacks in the tournament. Not because of the potency of the individual bowlers but because of their variety. 3 off spinners, 1 leg spinner, 1 right arm fast medium, 1 left arm fast medium. So while New Zealand familiarized themselves for SLA's and nullified our threat, they couldnt do so against Pakistan.

4) Field Aggressively: They say if you have a good fielding side-if you can hang on to catches, if you can convert 2's to 1's and 3's to 2's, and cause a few run outs you can add 20-30 runs to your total. This is exactly what Pakistan did. They fielded aggressively, they attacked the ball and put pressure on the batsmen. They held on the catches. Their throwing was accurate and on the spot resulting in two run outs. If you cant match your opposition with your batting or bowling, at least field better than them. Bangladesh seems to be missing this trick. Great work Julian Fountain. I wish you were doing this for us :D

5) Have a Genuine OS: The 5 top T20 bowlers in the world (According to ICC T20 Cricket Rankings) are all off spinners. Apart from the top 5 (Ajmal, Swann, Botha, Nathan McCullum, Ajantha Mendis), there is Hafeez, Prosper Utseya, Harbhajan Singh. Likes of Sunil Narine and Ashwin are likely to break into the top 25 in no time. The only leg spinner in the top 25 is Shahid Afridi while the SLA's are Razzak, Shakib, Dockrell and Raymond Price. There is something about off spinners and T20. Either that or the world has good quality off spinners these days. Whatever it is, we could be immensely benefited by the presence of a genuine off spinner. When i said genuine i didnt mean Riyad, Nasir and Naeem-i meant someone plays in the team because of his off spin skills. There is nothing phenomenal about guys like Nathan McCullum and Botha. Both have average first class records and are late bloomers in the art of OS. However both have developed a repertoire which makes them very effective in the shortest version of the game-using the crease, doosras, carrom ball type deliveries etc. I find it hard to believe a country like ours fails to produce an OS, while these countries can.

There is a lot to learn for Bangladesh to be successful in T20's. Lets not have lofty ambitions and expectations for Tuesday's match. It could be more difficult than the game against New Zealand. Lets just hope our guys make us proud. Our time will come, until then lets hope for some brave spirited cricket. All the best Tigers, we are behind you

zinatf
September 23, 2012, 10:25 AM
Bat first

Field like there's no tomorrow

Experimentation with the batting line-up

Do NOT surrender even if RR goes up

Last, but NOT the least...get a grip! Play like tigers! It's been a while all of you have been playing professionally...there has been specialist coaches for you..all these facilities...how much more do you want to wake up and give it your best shot??!!

Mr.Cricket
September 23, 2012, 12:26 PM
Isn't Nasir the one that said "There's little you can do when he's hitting it like that" after McCullum's innings? Really Nasir? Your telling me you cant learn anything from watching him, you cant come up with a idea to get him or something like that?? Wait, why am i saying this to him?, i should be screaming in Mushfiqurs face! NEED TO SHOW SOME GUTS!

AsifTheManRahman
September 23, 2012, 12:29 PM
Isn't Nasir the one that said "There's little you can do when he's hitting it like that" after McCullum's innings? Really Nasir? Your telling me you cant learn anything from watching him, you cant come up with a idea to get him or something like that?? Wait, why am i saying this to him?, i should be screaming in Mushfiqurs face! NEED TO SHOW SOME GUTS!
They're all sissies bro, some more than others (if that's even possible). Jei lau shei kodu.

Mr.Cricket
September 23, 2012, 12:43 PM
Sissies hah? Sissies. Sissies. The players are Sissies.

Dont they care about us just one bit? Us fans that is. What don't we do to watch these sissies play? Dont we wake up at uncomfortable times to watch them play? Dont we take of from our jobs to watch them play? Even when we cant watch them play sometimes, doesn't this very question run through our head all day--Whats the progress/How are they doing/Whats the score? WHAT DON'T WE DO?
After doing so much, what do we get in return? Excuses?? Sorry excuses? If your gonna give us excuses, then don't even dare open your mouth! Keep the excuses to yourselves. I would rather want something like We cant play, And that's why we lost then something like Theres little any one can do when he's hitting it like that! Here's what i want from our boys in the next match= Loose the game miserably and then say -We cant play and we don't care about our country, that's why we lost!
I don't know how many fans will be happy with those words, but oh boy! will I be happy!

zinatf
September 23, 2012, 12:45 PM
^It has been the same old story all this time :facepalm:

Pointless ranting!

AsifTheManRahman
September 23, 2012, 12:49 PM
Sissies hah? Sissies. Sissies. The players are Sissies.

Dont they care about us just one bit? Us fans that is. What don't we do to watch these sissies play? Dont we wake up at uncomfortable times to watch them play? Dont we take of from our jobs to watch them play? Even when we cant watch them play sometimes, doesn't this very question run through our head all day--Whats the progress/How are they doing/Whats the score? WHAT DON'T WE DO?
After doing so much, what do we get in return? Excuses?? Sorry excuses? If your gonna give us excuses, then don't even dare open your mouth! Keep the excuses to yourselves. I would rather want something like We cant play, And that's why we lost then something like Theres little any one can do when he's hitting it like that! Here's what i want from our boys in the next match= Loose the game miserably and then say -We cant play and we don't care about our country, that's why we lost!
I don't know how many fans will be happy with those words, but oh boy! will I be happy!
When there was a WC game going on in Ireland, very few people knew about it in the streets of Dublin. Up until recently they had no central contracts and still have very little money, yet look at how much heart they show every time they appear for a country that doesn't even know the sport they play exists.

Our players are lucky they have a fan base and the kind of money they can live off without having to worry about a day job. Kintu lojja shorom bole kisu ase dekhe to mone hoy na.

mij
September 23, 2012, 12:55 PM
Sissies hah? Sissies. Sissies. The players are Sissies.

Dont they care about us just one bit? Us fans that is. What don't we do to watch these sissies play? Dont we wake up at uncomfortable times to watch them play? Dont we take of from our jobs to watch them play? Even when we cant watch them play sometimes, doesn't this very question run through our head all day--Whats the progress/How are they doing/Whats the score? WHAT DON'T WE DO?
After doing so much, what do we get in return? Excuses?? Sorry excuses? If your gonna give us excuses, then don't even dare open your mouth! Keep the excuses to yourselves. I would rather want something like We cant play, And that's why we lost then something like Theres little any one can do when he's hitting it like that! Here's what i want from our boys in the next match= Loose the game miserably and then say -We cant play and we don't care about our country, that's why we lost!
I don't know how many fans will be happy with those words, but oh boy! will I be happy!


They just don't understand about our country, our people, our support ...

Only thing that they can do is fly first class stay in 5 star hotel enjoy the time do some shopping, checking haram stuff.

You never can call them tigers, only cats. Calling them tigers would be disrespectful to tiger.

Mr.Cricket
September 23, 2012, 12:59 PM
Yes Sir. Totally agree. As a Tiger fan, I'm sorry to say this but I love the Irish and Afghan spirit! If these 2 teams are going far, then its the spirit that gonna take them to levels they dream of. Just because they don't have Money, doesn't mean it'll stop them from reaching the stars! Main thign is their players have the most important thing, Spirit of playing for their country!

simon
September 23, 2012, 01:05 PM
we have everything world class except the mentality :facepalm:

Navo
September 23, 2012, 01:12 PM
^^ It's a bit unfair to say that Shakib-Mushy-Nasir et al don't have 'spirit' or are not passionate about Bangladesh Cricket. How easy it is to forget their tears after they lost the Asia Cup earlier this year?

What I don't like is their current defeatism and stunning lack of confidence. How can someone who aspired to receive an ICC award less than a week ago, think that they're not good enough to compete with the top 8 in T20s?? It's embarrassing for the team (and thus the country) and a disservice to themselves.

simon
September 23, 2012, 01:23 PM
^^ It's a bit unfair to say that Shakib-Mushy-Nasir et al don't have 'spirit' or are not passionate about Bangladesh Cricket. How easy it is to forget their tears after they lost the Asia Cup earlier this year?

What I don't like is their current defeatism and stunning lack of confidence. How can someone who aspired to receive an ICC award less than a week ago, think that they're not good enough to compete with the top 8 in T20s?? It's embarrassing for the team (and thus the country) and a disservice to themselves.
I didnt mean anything about their holy spirit but their mentality or their lack of confidence
that u mentioned.
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SS
September 23, 2012, 03:46 PM
U teach these ahammoks lessons...good luck....just see what will happen the game day

cricbook
September 23, 2012, 04:03 PM
1) Bat First: When you win the toss and decide to bowl first, you have a higher probability of losing even before the first ball is delivered-especially in the wickets of Sri Lanka. Mushfiq clearly didnt consider history and past matches in the stadium when deciding to bowl first, but Mohammad Hafeez surely did. Also in big matches in a big tournament, you are always better off posting a big total and then defending. It is pressure that makes a quality player seem average. Brendon McCullum might have been merciless against Bangladesh. But under pressure he couldnt get going with the some fluency.

2) Build Your Innings/Provide Platform: Whether you are batting first, or chasing a big total it is always helpful to start slow and build your innings-even if it is T20. Notice how Chris Gayle, Kohli plays. They dont start whacking from ball 1. They face a few deliveries, rotate strike, get the blood flowing then unleash. Most of Pakistan's batsmen did exactly that. Shakib, Tamim, Mushfiq were in a hurry and threw their wickets-stark contrast to Nasir.

Mohammad Hafeez aka The Professor also did something that is essential even in T20-provide the team a platform. Pakistan's intelligent captain hit a vital 43, most importantly allowed Imran Nazir and Nasir Jamshed play their natural games. By the time Hafeez got out Pakistan were in their 120's with nearly 7 overs to go. It is essential one of our top 4 gives us a platform like this.

3) Mix It Up: Pakistan has one of the best bowling attacks in the tournament. Not because of the potency of the individual bowlers but because of their variety. 3 off spinners, 1 leg spinner, 1 right arm fast medium, 1 left arm fast medium. So while New Zealand familiarized themselves for SLA's and nullified our threat, they couldnt do so against Pakistan.

4) Field Aggressively: They say if you have a good fielding side-if you can hang on to catches, if you can convert 2's to 1's and 3's to 2's, and cause a few run outs you can add 20-30 runs to your total. This is exactly what Pakistan did. They fielded aggressively, they attacked the ball and put pressure on the batsmen. They held on the catches. Their throwing was accurate and on the spot resulting in two run outs. If you cant match your opposition with your batting or bowling, at least field better than them. Bangladesh seems to be missing this trick. Great work Julian Fountain. I wish you were doing this for us :D

5) Have a Genuine OS: The 5 top T20 bowlers in the world (According to ICC T20 Cricket Rankings) are all off spinners. Apart from the top 5 (Ajmal, Swann, Botha, Nathan McCullum, Ajantha Mendis), there is Hafeez, Prosper Utseya, Harbhajan Singh. Likes of Sunil Narine and Ashwin are likely to break into the top 25 in no time. The only leg spinner in the top 25 is Shahid Afridi while the SLA's are Razzak, Shakib, Dockrell and Raymond Price. There is something about off spinners and T20. Either that or the world has good quality off spinners these days. Whatever it is, we could be immensely benefited by the presence of a genuine off spinner. When i said genuine i didnt mean Riyad, Nasir and Naeem-i meant someone plays in the team because of his off spin skills. There is nothing phenomenal about guys like Nathan McCullum and Botha. Both have average first class records and are late bloomers in the art of OS. However both have developed a repertoire which makes them very effective in the shortest version of the game-using the crease, doosras, carrom ball type deliveries etc. I find it hard to believe a country like ours fails to produce an OS, while these countries can.

There is a lot to learn for Bangladesh to be successful in T20's. Lets not have lofty ambitions and expectations for Tuesday's match. It could be more difficult than the game against New Zealand. Lets just hope our guys make us proud. Our time will come, until then lets hope for some brave spirited cricket. All the best Tigers, we are behind you

:up: u did great job brother.....but we r out of the world cup anyway...after pakistan won against newzeland.....but not sure there is any miracle left?:facepalm:

BANFAN
September 23, 2012, 04:18 PM
we have everything world class except the mentality :facepalm:

Ki je bolbo... Beshir bhag polapain (I mean our national players) mather modhye chorer moto ghorafera kore...if you compare with the opponents attitude... B.. Representing a national team, they should be espirIted before the match and book fulaye cholbe.. Shala dekhle e money hoy eigular bhoyeee mukh shukaye gese....I'm disappointed seeing them for about an hour and half before the match... Yes, only Shakib was looking like a player for my team, I don't care even if he doesn't make runs in some matches.. At least he is not behaving like a thief... Ami jani bhoy amader jatigoto shomoshya, BCB should appoint local psychologists /psychiatrist to inject confidence Jodi eu chaebol gular mono unnoti hoy attitude or mentalitir..e...

Well they might look different when they are set to play against Kenya or Canada... They simply suffer from inferiority complexx.. Deshi news media te joto hombitombi koruk, jayega moto they become Rats... Not even cats, forget about Tigers... Induur koto gula..we are out to make them tigers. Shalar jiboney aar Kokhono eigular khela dekhte jabo na... Shomoy aar poyshar sraddho...

Haruk, khelte na paruk... But matha to ucha koira cholte pare.. Shamanno sense of national pride Jodi dekhtan... Mon bhoye jeto...

ialbd
September 23, 2012, 05:04 PM
while we are ranting & venting here at BC just over a t20 match, I am actually apprehensive of our test/odi playing ability right now. I wonder what will be exposed in our upcoming home series against West Indies...

I am sure our young team is learning things as they play more intl matches (maybe not as fast as we are expecting them to)... but I feel whatever we have learned or mastered in test/odi is getting 'undone' here by t20...

firstlane
September 23, 2012, 06:33 PM
or eat Wholemeal Roti instead of rice.

Zeeshan
September 23, 2012, 07:55 PM
1. We need someone like Jamshed.
2. We need someone like Akmal
3. We need someone like Afridi
4. We need someone like Malik
5. We need someone like Gul

??

BengaliPagol
September 23, 2012, 07:58 PM
1. We need someone like Jamshed.
2. We need someone like Akmal
3. We need someone like Afridi
4. We need someone like Malik
5. We need someone like Gul

??

We also need someone like Hafeez. :-|

zinatf
September 23, 2012, 08:22 PM
1. We need someone like Jamshed.
2. We need someone like Akmal
3. We need someone like Afridi
4. We need someone like Malik
5. We need someone like Gul

??

We need someone like Ajmal

betaar
September 23, 2012, 10:34 PM
Agree with you mostly other than batting first approach in T20. Unless there’s a dew factor which is very unlikely since T20 gets played within such short span, batting 2<SUP>nd</SUP> makes sense.
Batting second in T20 gives you the target where a team with the target in mind can actually play to get it from the very first over. There are the same number wickets just fewer overs which means batters can actually take some risk to get to where they need to be. Whereas, when a team bats first the final score becomes a moving target; meaning they have to constantly set their target based on the situation……so it’s tricky. As you rightly said, our batsmen don’t know how to pace their inning which is why knowing a set target is much healthier situation for brain dead batters like ours.
Batting first, players like Ash will take satisfaction scoring 70 balls 50 and taking the team to below par score of 140 odd. Even if they set a healthy target of 180, with our toothless bowling attack, any team can step up a notch massacring them in all parts and reaching the target. If we had bowlers (especially pacers) with some international talent and the variety required, I would say defend what you put on…..otherwise, opposition, condition do not matter much.
Besides, in Sri Lankan’s weather batting second makes sense since you don’t know at what stage the game might be washed out…..so bat second and stay over the RRR from the get go and win like how Australia did against WI.

Navo
September 24, 2012, 12:38 AM
^^ On the ground where we lost to NZ, the team batting first won all the games. I don't understand why we had to go against established precedent.

Roni_uk
September 24, 2012, 10:42 AM
Run as fast as you can out of SL before the start of the match, we are still the third worst team of the tournament behind Ireland, let's not make us the worst.

SS
September 24, 2012, 02:21 PM
Run as fast as you can out of SL before the start of the match, we are still the third worst team of the tournament behind Ireland, let's not make us the worst.

:facepalm:

by the way, in regards to this thread"

i think instead of 5 there is billions things to learn from Pak

The class and the quality
Cricketing Common sense
A good captancy
Overall 100% efforts that all of them show in the field
the list goes on and on...

Do we have any of them atleast to a certain extent to make something happen...I don't see any and none of our players look like...they already gave up hearing Pak team's names and their star players...Gul, Hafeez and Ajmal will rip through our top order and clueless middle order

SS
September 24, 2012, 02:28 PM
1) Bat First: When you win the toss and decide to bowl first, you have a higher probability of losing even before the first ball is delivered-especially in the wickets of Sri Lanka. Mushfiq clearly didnt consider history and past matches in the stadium when deciding to bowl first, but Mohammad Hafeez surely did. Also in big matches in a big tournament, you are always better off posting a big total and then defending. It is pressure that makes a quality player seem average. Brendon McCullum might have been merciless against Bangladesh. But under pressure he couldnt get going with the some fluency.

2) Build Your Innings/Provide Platform: Whether you are batting first, or chasing a big total it is always helpful to start slow and build your innings-even if it is T20. Notice how Chris Gayle, Kohli plays. They dont start whacking from ball 1. They face a few deliveries, rotate strike, get the blood flowing then unleash. Most of Pakistan's batsmen did exactly that. Shakib, Tamim, Mushfiq were in a hurry and threw their wickets-stark contrast to Nasir.

Mohammad Hafeez aka The Professor also did something that is essential even in T20-provide the team a platform. Pakistan's intelligent captain hit a vital 43, most importantly allowed Imran Nazir and Nasir Jamshed play their natural games. By the time Hafeez got out Pakistan were in their 120's with nearly 7 overs to go. It is essential one of our top 4 gives us a platform like this.

3) Mix It Up: Pakistan has one of the best bowling attacks in the tournament. Not because of the potency of the individual bowlers but because of their variety. 3 off spinners, 1 leg spinner, 1 right arm fast medium, 1 left arm fast medium. So while New Zealand familiarized themselves for SLA's and nullified our threat, they couldnt do so against Pakistan.

4) Field Aggressively: They say if you have a good fielding side-if you can hang on to catches, if you can convert 2's to 1's and 3's to 2's, and cause a few run outs you can add 20-30 runs to your total. This is exactly what Pakistan did. They fielded aggressively, they attacked the ball and put pressure on the batsmen. They held on the catches. Their throwing was accurate and on the spot resulting in two run outs. If you cant match your opposition with your batting or bowling, at least field better than them. Bangladesh seems to be missing this trick. Great work Julian Fountain. I wish you were doing this for us :D

5) Have a Genuine OS: The 5 top T20 bowlers in the world (According to ICC T20 Cricket Rankings) are all off spinners. Apart from the top 5 (Ajmal, Swann, Botha, Nathan McCullum, Ajantha Mendis), there is Hafeez, Prosper Utseya, Harbhajan Singh. Likes of Sunil Narine and Ashwin are likely to break into the top 25 in no time. The only leg spinner in the top 25 is Shahid Afridi while the SLA's are Razzak, Shakib, Dockrell and Raymond Price. There is something about off spinners and T20. Either that or the world has good quality off spinners these days. Whatever it is, we could be immensely benefited by the presence of a genuine off spinner. When i said genuine i didnt mean Riyad, Nasir and Naeem-i meant someone plays in the team because of his off spin skills. There is nothing phenomenal about guys like Nathan McCullum and Botha. Both have average first class records and are late bloomers in the art of OS. However both have developed a repertoire which makes them very effective in the shortest version of the game-using the crease, doosras, carrom ball type deliveries etc. I find it hard to believe a country like ours fails to produce an OS, while these countries can.

There is a lot to learn for Bangladesh to be successful in T20's. Lets not have lofty ambitions and expectations for Tuesday's match. It could be more difficult than the game against New Zealand. Lets just hope our guys make us proud. Our time will come, until then lets hope for some brave spirited cricket. All the best Tigers, we are behind you

by the way great analysis...I hope our players or team can take something...but we have only less than 24 hours left

Tigers_eye
September 24, 2012, 02:37 PM
ek ta kotha koi. kisu monay koiren na bhai (ebong bon) shokol. If and only if Eng was in our group......

mufi_02
September 24, 2012, 03:16 PM
ek ta kotha koi. kisu monay koiren na bhai (ebong bon) shokol. If and only if Eng was in our group......

Kichui hoito nah. NZ is also known to be very weak against spin. Ashwin and Ojha made NZ batsmen look like kids in the recent series. The way Sunny was bowling too short and Shakib was giving flighted loopy deliveries in Kalam's feet, even AFG batsmen would score 150+.

AsifTheManRahman
September 24, 2012, 03:18 PM
5ta keno, shikhar 1000ta jinish ase, kintu amader khelowarra shikhbe na, karon oder shikhar khomota nai.

CricketPagolChele
September 24, 2012, 05:16 PM
In Cricket, Allah is with Pakistan always ! History tells us that.

reyme
September 24, 2012, 06:16 PM
by the way great analysis...I hope our players or team can take something...but we have only less than 24 hours left

We had been preparing for this for last 4 months! Only playing T20! When you field after winning the toss at palleke, you know the coaching staffs did a very poor job preparing this team...really poor captaincy is the reflection of a very poor coaching staff behind the scene. When it comes to gameplan and strategy this is indeed the worst team in this worldcup...sad really after spending millions in preparations, salaries and travel expenses...

reyme
September 24, 2012, 06:23 PM
We need someone like Jamshed--> Dav Whatmore
2. We need someone like Akmal--> Jamie Siddons
3. We need someone like Afridi--> Ian Pont
4. We need someone like Malik--> Julien Fountain
5. We need someone like Gul--> Khaled Mahmud Shujan
And finally "someone with a cricket brain", but brain with common sense will do...

firstlane
September 24, 2012, 07:26 PM
In Cricket, Allah is with Pakistan always ! History tells us that.

Why not with us then? What have we done?

NoName
September 24, 2012, 07:36 PM
Why not with us then? What have we done?

Not the chosen ones.

Sohel
September 25, 2012, 02:29 AM
We always have the option of learning from a number of events and sources, but the question is, will we really? If by the grace of divine intervention we do, the follow up question will be: "Now can we apply what we've learned when it counts?"

Jadukor
September 25, 2012, 02:48 AM
One way to check that is by looking at their academic records. Good academic records usually indicates the strength of one's ability to learn things and apply them

Maysun
September 25, 2012, 07:15 AM
In Cricket, Allah is with Pakistan always ! History tells us that.

You call yourself cricket mad and yet you come up with this conclusion?

Isnaad
September 25, 2012, 07:35 AM
5 things we can definitely learn from Pak's win over New Zealand-
1. We can win this by 36+ runs.
2. We can finish this game and win it before 15.4 overs
3. Pakistan can lose the game by 36+ runs
4. Pakistan can concede all the runs in less than 15.4 overs.
5. We can qualify to the quarter-finals.