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BengaliPagol
September 23, 2012, 07:31 PM
This isnt a bashing thread. More like an analysis thread. I want to break down the Bangladesh team into little bitz and pieces and get to a bottom of the question "why is BD bad in T20s". We need to find out what/who lets us down in this format, who isnt suited to this format etc. At the end i hope as a collective unit on BC we can decide upon a possible XI that will be much better suited to T20s.

To get things started (ive already posted this in another thread)

Exhibit A:

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/Sezer6/asd_zps3b643dc2.jpg

Source: Cricinfo

BengaliPagol
September 23, 2012, 07:32 PM
I guess we can conclude that Mahmudullah isnt Mr Reliable in T20s. As well an average of 10 :facepalm:

To solve this problem in the middle order is it time to bring someone else into the team e.g. Mominul Haque?

OMG
September 23, 2012, 07:37 PM
Title should be 'Why are Bangladesh bad at cricket?'

BengaliPagol
September 23, 2012, 07:39 PM
Title should be 'Why are Bangladesh bad at cricket?'

i was tempted to but its one format at a time. And since the T20 World Cup is going on then i figured its sensible to do it for T20s for now.

Zeeshan
September 23, 2012, 07:41 PM
There _is_ the famous "Why do we suck thread?" [link (http://banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=32307)]

Gowza
September 23, 2012, 10:34 PM
because other than tamim and shakib all other big hitters who are capable of big hitting at the international level are terribly inconsistent. i'm talking ash, aftab, alok etc. in ODIs and tests the players are getting more consistent but the players that are doing well there aren't necessarily suited to t20s, and i know quality players will modify their game for each format to do the job but BD players aren't at that stage yet.

we've been taking the consistent ODI players and playing them as the main batsmen in t20s, then for a couple of lower order spots we are taking big hitting domestic players that just aren't up to it.

instead of riyad and mushy we probably should be taking the aloks and the aftabs. keep nasir their to be cool, calm collected and consistent with his 4c's ;) and have shakib who mostly likely will develop more consistency in the form and tamim will most likely get more consistency to. those can be your main go to guys to hold the innings together then play ash as opener as he's doing ok their atm, then bring in alok and possibly aftab.

why are we playing guys like zia rahman? there is no point, may as well play an alok, or shabbir or shuvagata or even an naeem (tell him his sole job is to hit) as that lower order hitter.

bowling wise i don't think we can do to much, we'll be in better shape when rubel returns to full fitness and gets back into the swing of things but until then i don't think there are too many options. we already have our best spinners and pacers in there, unless we go for variation and try some off spinners instead of SLAs.

might sound harsh to leave riyad and mushy out of the team as they have played some good knocks and they are talented and do have the capability to hit, and i've been one to say mushy should be in the t20 team. thing is we have those guys in there so the team doesn't collapse but it is anyway so may as well play those big hitters and have a better chance of winning.

Rabz
September 23, 2012, 11:24 PM
Let's wait till tomorrow.
Then we will find out how good/bad we really are.

oronnya
September 23, 2012, 11:33 PM
Let's wait till tomorrow.
Then we will find out how good/bad we really are.

Please don't wait till tomorrow and bear the pain to know how bad we are !! We are really really bad . Trust me :)

oronnya
September 23, 2012, 11:34 PM
Actually we are bad at any kind of sports .. Cricket is one sports where we can at least compete at the world class level. That pretty tells the story.:-|

simon
September 23, 2012, 11:47 PM
Bcoz we r p..m g..na
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Naimul_Hd
September 24, 2012, 02:51 AM
What's the difference between 'T20' and 'Twenty20' ?

Seeing this first time.

crikss
September 24, 2012, 03:22 AM
Actually we are bad at any kind of sports .. Cricket is one sports where we can at least compete at the world class level. That pretty tells the story.:-|

:up: That's true we suck at every single sports

Night_wolf
September 24, 2012, 05:19 AM
Actually we are bad at any kind of sports .. Cricket is one sports where we can at least compete at the world class level. That pretty tells the story.:-|

we even suck at our national sport:facepalm:

simon
September 24, 2012, 05:23 AM
I aslo think this thread is a little premature. :snob:
What IF we beat Pak tomorrow?
Let's not die before we die.

WarWolf
September 24, 2012, 05:34 AM
In which format we are good?

World Champs
September 24, 2012, 06:31 AM
Bangladesh needs to concentrate and improve in Test and ODI matches. Bdesh must carry Asia cup mindset and should believe that they can beat other teams consistently. ODI's and test matches are the way forward.

T-20 is just hit a hit and giggle format. No one judges a team on the performance of t20's.

patriot
September 24, 2012, 06:50 AM
Why are Bangladesh bad in T20s?

No its not enough practice , or exposure or bla bla bla.

We simply dont have enough talented players to play at the international stage . Harsh reality but thats what it is . Yes, Mullah , Nasir and Mushy are talented . Now if you compare these players head to head with the other G8 nations batsmen , you will see where I am coming from.

AsifTheManRahman
September 24, 2012, 06:53 AM
I aslo think this thread is a little premature. :snob:
What IF we beat Pak tomorrow?
Let's not die before we die.
What if we do? It won't wipe out our horrible run up to it.
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OMG
September 24, 2012, 07:56 AM
Actually we are bad at any kind of sports .. Cricket is one sports where we can at least compete at the world class level. That pretty tells the story.:-|

If other sports recieved the same level of funding and facilities as our cricket team, then maybe we could have found something else to compete at international level. I cant believe bangladesh can't find fast runners and swimmers for like the olympics!

The country routinely gets flooded you would expect some good swimmers.

Maysun
September 24, 2012, 08:15 AM
If other sports recieved the same level of funding and facilities as our cricket team, then maybe we could have found something else to compete at international level. I cant believe bangladesh can't find fast runners and swimmers for like the olympics!

The country routinely gets flooded you would expect some good swimmers.

Thanks for making me :lol:

AsifTheManRahman
September 24, 2012, 09:30 AM
i was tempted to but its one format at a time. And since the T20 World Cup is going on then i figured its sensible to do it for T20s for now.
But the reasons aren't different though. In many cases, if you're good in one format, you're still good, if not as good, in the others. Sure you have your specialists, but in general, that's how good players of the game roll. Jayasuriya, Vaas, McGrath, Murali, Ajmal, Kallis, Tendulkar, Sehwag, Kohli, Steyn, Dhoni, Warner, Jayawardene, McCullum, Gul, Lee, Hayden, Gilchrist to name a few who have had varied degrees of success - varied but keyword success, mind you - across formats. We suck in T20s because of the same somewhat overlapping reasons that we suck in ODIs and cricket in general - lack of talent and ideas, poor work ethic, cultural laziness, inferiority complex, propensity to dish out excuses at every opportunity (again, cultural), always blaming it on someone or something else, learning disabilities, lack of hunger for success, lack of goals, tendency to get satisfied too easily, tendency to let our moms clean our crap even when we're in our 30's.

zinatf
September 24, 2012, 10:26 AM
Auntie says, thaak baapu! Chhele gulo ke ekhon ektu rehai deya hok...issh shobai mile ja shuru koreche na...Mashrafe to practice-e praai thhyang bhenge fello...ar Shakib-tar naki shorir bhalo nei dekhe practice koreni! Thaak babara...tomra onek khelecho ei koyek shoptaah...ebar bhaloi bhloi ghorer chele ghore fire esho...onek holo ei tea20 na chhai!

Isnaad
September 24, 2012, 10:41 AM
Are you all going to say the same if we win tomorrow?

AsifTheManRahman
September 24, 2012, 10:53 AM
^ Yes, because it doesn't change the fact that we suck. One game doesn't a winner make.

SS
September 24, 2012, 11:23 AM
^ Yes, because it doesn't change the fact that we suck. One game doesn't a winner make.

Shobai jodi best hoi tobe worst ke hobei...we will bring new dimension in the cricketing world and ranking world...amago player der onno kono bhabhe "famous" hoite hobe...

M.H.Rubel
September 24, 2012, 12:48 PM
Please don't wait till tomorrow and bear the pain to know how bad we are !! We are really really bad . Trust me :)

Too much pessimistic these days its very bad.

M.H.Rubel
September 24, 2012, 12:54 PM
What's the difference between 'T20' and 'Twenty20' ?

Seeing this first time.

T20 is international where as twenty20 are games between two F C teams.

crikss
September 24, 2012, 12:55 PM
Shobai jodi best hoi tobe worst ke hobei...we will bring new dimension in the cricketing world and ranking world...amago player der onno kono bhabhe "famous" hoite hobe...

like Sreesanth type ? :D Shaiful dui ta chotkana khabe after he give away easy runs

M.H.Rubel
September 24, 2012, 01:02 PM
Out of all 3 format we are worst in tests. We are worst than Zimbos in tests.
Out of all formats we are good in O D I.
To me main reason here is playing habit. Our domestic is too much dependent on D P L 50 over match. We play less T20 or F C so we are poor there.

M.H.Rubel
September 24, 2012, 01:23 PM
This isnt a bashing thread. More like an analysis thread. I want to break down the Bangladesh team into little bitz and pieces and get to a bottom of the question "why is BD bad in T20s". We need to find out what/who lets us down in this format, who isnt suited to this format etc. At the end i hope as a collective unit on BC we can decide upon a possible XI that will be much better suited to T20s.

To get things started (ive already posted this in another thread)

Exhibit A:

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/Sezer6/asd_zps3b643dc2.jpg

Source: Cricinfo

Riyad is very weak in short format. He should be dropped from T20 team. I think Naeem will do better than him in both batting and bowling.

cricheart
September 24, 2012, 01:43 PM
We dont have any tested/on-research squad specialized for t20. We just use same poll of players who plays nat side in other formats. But every other test nation has a separate squad for this.

I remember after Asia cup & postponed Pak tour, as squad was announced it was all almost same squad again; when I questioned this, someone replied its good, as our players will get more chances to roam in international arena thus more experience!

So after 6 months of money spreading over them, we are having a failed team and lots of broken hearts. Now peeps praying Allah for a miracle here! Its actually shame, BPL/Asia cup gain some of these young kids premature fame, and we immediately start worshiping these as celebrities without knowing their capability of playing t20 properly.

We need lots of batsmen for this format, not bowlers. Bowlers are here to give runs, thats why dot balls are treated as precious as wickets here. If we want to win thru team approach, everyone has to ability to play min 12 ball with full confidence, full power and full stamina to smack nearly everything you face.

AsifTheManRahman
September 24, 2012, 02:20 PM
What's the difference between 'T20' and 'Twenty20' ?

Seeing this first time.
'T20I' vs 'T20' - international vs domestic

BengaliPagol
September 24, 2012, 06:37 PM
I aslo think this thread is a little premature. :snob:
What IF we beat Pak tomorrow?
Let's not die before we die.

I have enough faith to believe that we can beat Pak tomorow. WE just have to dismiss danger men Hafeez, Jamshed and the two Akmal brothers. We have to stick to our lengths and not give the Pakis too much to work with. I can picture Shafiul gifting the Pakis which is hope doesnt happen.

Tamim, Ash and Shakib need to be in top form. Hunger is the key.

Btw Exhibit B to why BD are bad in T20s will be up soon

BengaliPagol
September 24, 2012, 06:42 PM
^ Yes, because it doesn't change the fact that we suck. One game doesn't a winner make.

This is true. From the Asia Cup campaign we all felt like world beaters. It was good signs but we realistically still have a long way to go.

And also i think Mahmudullah can be a Misbah ul haq type player thus implying he isnt suited to T20. (even though Misbah has had some success in T20s)

Maple1900
September 24, 2012, 08:08 PM
In this current squad we should not have sunny, Riad and Saiful. Kapali would do the better job with bat and ball than Riad. Sunny can't bat, we need some one like Sabbir in this position. For Saiful we can try ***** couldn't find the alternative .

cricbook
September 25, 2012, 12:03 AM
i guess horlicks kom mishai dudher shathe......desi vhejal bole kotha.

Sohel
September 25, 2012, 01:19 AM
Our best cricketers aren't selected for the national team in any format. How can we win without Rokibul, Nazimuddin, Golla, Rajin, Mofees, Imrul, Jahural, Myshukur, Mushfik Babu, Sanwar, Tushar, "Decans", "Sejan", Robiul, Sajjad Kadir and Alamgir Kabir?

Thank GOD a genuine T20I player like Riyad is still there!

zinatf
September 25, 2012, 03:14 AM
Our best cricketers aren't selected for the national team in any format. How can we win without Rokibul, Nazimuddin, Golla, Rajin, Mofees, Imrul, Jahural, Myshukur, Mushfik Babu, Sanwar, Tushar, "Decans", "Sejan", Robiul, Sajjad Kadir and Alamgir Kabir?

Thank GOD a genuine T20I player like Riyad is still there!

:floor::lol::floor: uff Allah!!! I agree :up:

Imteaz
September 25, 2012, 07:01 AM
How many years we keep dicussing all of these!!!!!!! :)

BengaliPagol
September 25, 2012, 09:29 PM
Exhibit B of why Bangladesh are so bad:

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/Sezer6/DaleAbul.jpg

Source: Cricinfo

NoName
September 25, 2012, 09:32 PM
^ LOL

That picture makes it seem like Abul closes his eyes and blindly throws the ball, he's bowling all over the pitch.

Ajfar
September 25, 2012, 09:35 PM
^ LOL

That picture makes it seem like Abul closes his eyes and blindly throws the ball, he's bowling all over the pitch.

That's because he was never ready for this. Heck forget Abul, let's look up our most experience fast bowler Mash's deliveries. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't all that far off.

BengaliPagol
September 25, 2012, 09:36 PM
I put Dale Steyn next to Abul so that everyone can see how pace bowlers are meant to bowl and how our bowlers are bowling. Abul is all over the shop. No consistent length and never looked like troubling the batsmen. And Dale Steyn even with his pace is able to control and form a cluster of balls. Steyn looks to be bowling to a plan as you can see the delivery he got a wicket was the only ball that he pitched short.

Whereas Abul is pretty much bowling and hoping for the best as you can see from the chart. He had no plan so i dont expect him to do anything. Shocking really.

BengaliPagol
September 25, 2012, 09:37 PM
That's because he was never ready for this. Heck forget Abul, let's look up our most experience fast bowler Mash's deliveries. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't all that far off.

we shall investigate

BengaliPagol
September 25, 2012, 09:52 PM
Im looking at where Mashrafe's pitchmap and honestly speaking he looked more rhythmic then Shafiul/Abul. Abul is wayward and Shafiul gifts the opposition with short balls and freebies. Mashrafe is much more consistent in terms of line and length and the fault he needs to work on is pitching the ball up a bit more. He doesnt have the pace to bowl it short and trouble the batsmen. He really outta pitch it more up and create clusters in the pitch map.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-world-twenty20-2012/engine/match/533283.html?view=hawkeye

BengaliPagol
September 25, 2012, 10:11 PM
Exhibit C of why Bangladesh are so bad

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/Sezer6/ShafiulStarc.jpg

Source: Cricinfo

BengaliPagol
September 25, 2012, 10:14 PM
Shafiul bowls way too short way too often. I dont know what he is thinking. He also isnt that fast so i dont know what he is trying to achieve. Starc bowls at a beautiful length which all bowlers should know how to do. He bowls nothing short and is looking to deceive the batsmen with his length bowling.

Tiger444
September 25, 2012, 10:18 PM
Take a look at the T20 stats this year and you'll see no surprise that Tamim and Shakib are yet again our leading batsmen. The only other batsman that was on the same level as those 2 was Nasir. Those 3 ended up notching 2 fifties apiece and the only ones to hit 50's.You'll also see in the Asia Cup that Nasir was the only one besides Tamim and Shakib to actually perform more than 1 game. Mushy and Riyad were just 1 hit wonders in that Cup and to no surprise, are the bottom performers.

I've supported both these guys but overall they've just not been good enough for such experienced players and leaders. They usually have 1 good score and then many poor scores. They've had enough time to establish themselves the way Tamim and Shakib have and the fact is they haven't. It shows you just haven't done enough when a young player in Nasir have jumped ahead of them. So I would bring in Anamul and Mominul in to the next series to put pressure on Mushy and Riyad. Mushy and Riyad have to start being consistent like Tamim and Shakib are or else they should be gone. We've had to rely on Tamim and Shakib to do too much and we're seeing that its just not good enough to beat G8 teams not only at home, but also away from home. As for Ash, he should be out of the team. Give Anamul a run at his opener's slot and I'm sure he'll do no worse.

As for our bowling, it looks like we need to depend on slow and low pitches in order to compete. Once the pitch is pace friendly, we're in huge trouble. It looks like we can put any pacer in there and we'll get the same results. That's how poor our pacers are. Mash and Rubel are a class above the rest of our pacers. Shafiul has been in the team for so long and still bowls the same. He should be dropped before Abul when Rubel comes back.

BengaliPagol
September 25, 2012, 10:29 PM
I would definitely try out Mominul in the place of Riyad in T20s. We have very limited options as far as depth goes. Its sad to see when Rubel gets injured our whole pace bowling attack falls to pieces.

BengaliPagol
September 25, 2012, 10:35 PM
Exhibit D of why Bangladesh are so bad.

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/Sezer6/ImranNazir.jpg

Source: Cricinfo

BengaliPagol
September 25, 2012, 10:44 PM
The pitchmap above is the balls faced by Imran Nazir. The marked areas represent the short balls bowled to him during the match. If you notice real carefully it is quite clear that he hit most of the short balls for boundaries (9 out of the 15 balls bowled short went for boundaries). And throughout his innings he hit 13 boundaries (9 of the boundaries were short balls). If the BD bowlers pitched the ball up then we would have had significantly less amount of runs scored because most of the balls pitched up were mostly 1's and 2's.

This tells alot about Bangladesh's wayward bowling and the tendency to bowl short balls. Short balls cost runs and frankly BD bowlers do not understand that.

deshprem
September 25, 2012, 11:01 PM
The pitchmap above is the balls faced by Imran Nazir. The marked areas represent the short balls bowled to him during the match. If you notice real carefully it is quite clear that he hit most of the short balls for boundaries (9 out of the 15 balls bowled short went for boundaries). And throughout his innings he hit 13 boundaries (9 of the boundaries were short balls). If the BD bowlers pitched the ball up then we would have had significantly less amount of runs scored because most of the balls pitched up were mostly 1's and 2's.

This tells alot about Bangladesh's wayward bowling and the tendency to bowl short balls. Short balls cost runs and frankly BD bowlers do not understand that.

they just don't learn. smart/good bowlers pick these things up after an over.

al Furqaan
September 25, 2012, 11:12 PM
Well if you bowl too full he's going to drive. In T20 even edges will run away for a boundary. There is no alternative to bowling the good length ball, or just full of a good length but not driving length. In T20 you're going to go for runs. You just have to bowl as many dot balls as you can.

BengaliPagol
September 26, 2012, 12:43 AM
Well if you bowl too full he's going to drive. In T20 even edges will run away for a boundary. There is no alternative to bowling the good length ball, or just full of a good length but not driving length. In T20 you're going to go for runs. You just have to bowl as many dot balls as you can.

if the ball is wide or short then the batsmen has the possibility of edging the ball for boundaries. If you stick to an honest length then chances of that happening are much smaller. With the short balls Bangladesh bowled, they gave away freebies. Bowling short balls to Nazir isnt going to get him out. Its about restricting him but unfortunately Bangladesh did not do that.

BengaliPagol
September 26, 2012, 12:45 AM
they just don't learn. smart/good bowlers pick these things up after an over.

Exactly. Even when Shafiul's short balls were going for boundaries for some reason he had an urge to keep bowling short balls. Shocking really. At one point i felt like it was a game of stick cricket...

Tipu606
September 26, 2012, 12:49 AM
its because of the poor fast bowling, reminded me of the horrors of S.P. Shanto days, now when the captain, Mushfiq keeps on telling Shafiul not to give short pitch(S.P.) balls he goes on doing the same !!Alas nobody knows how to bowl a yorker or an inswinger except maybe Nazmul Hossain who unfortunately is out of action