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PoorFan
September 27, 2012, 11:43 PM
BD players those their presence in the team is good for nothing ... are you reading this? Dont you ever say 'on our day we can do jack' type of crap anymore before any big game. Every time you open your mouth saying those crap to media is a disgrace to the team, to the nation, to the fan.

No team in the world will ever wait for 'your day to do jack' once in a blue moon. Keep your sorry butt and mouth busy where it should be.


Cricket's top eight need to be challenged more

And for all the resources and chances they have got, Bangladesh haven't done it yet
Harsha Bhogle (http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/584213.html#)
September 28, 2012
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It took eight days for the World Twenty20 to get to the eight teams we knew would play the next stage. We yearned for the established teams to squirm a bit, maybe even get embarrassed. Why, we wouldn't even have minded if one got knocked out because it would have meant the game had got more competitive. But apart from a tiny little period of play from the spirited Afghans against India, we yearned in vain. There is still no challenge to the established forces, and that isn't great news for a global sport. A hundred countries may play cricket but it is still really only eight.

Of the four countries that made early exits, two (Afghanistan and Ireland) need more cricket and two (Zimbabwe and Bangladesh) need to be challenged.



Read full article in Cricinfo (http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/584213.html)

Murad
September 28, 2012, 12:01 AM
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showpost.php?p=1585115&postcount=1

PoorFan
September 28, 2012, 12:52 AM
Thanks Murad for the reminder, completely forgot that copyright implication.

mr cricket
September 28, 2012, 03:18 AM
Bangladesh can challenge NewZealand and West Indies. All we need is more games against them.

firstlane
September 28, 2012, 04:14 AM
This sounds like coming from someone who wants Bangladesh to do well. No ridiculous comment like Bangladeshi fans are satisfied with team's mediocre performance.

PoorFan
September 28, 2012, 04:22 AM
shala pochanor uschad...we already know our pain...typical endu...shob shomoi amago nichu korbo....ei bhabe lekar dorker ki...ore ki koise amader jonne lekar....i hope er team out hok taratari...what about other sports...there are teams who are weaker but that does not mean the sport events did not allow them...they could have organized more frequent matches to do super 8 why blame weaker teams and brining up stats and after stats...we already know it....
Like many other, including Bangladeshi, Harsha is a cricket commentator as well as writer. It is their job commentating, writing report on any event, any team, any cricket issue etc., they DO NOT have to be a 'deshi', nor have to GIVE A DAMN any team hitting bottom, or her freaking fans having nightmare, nither need permission from any team, board, fans, but do their professional job the way THEY THINK that would matter.

SS
September 28, 2012, 11:48 AM
Indeed top eight tournament need to be challenged more... today it was too easy for Australia...should Mr. Bhogle write about it if not hope any of our BC scholar can reply...

Yasin.
September 28, 2012, 12:03 PM
India got absolutely trashed by the Aussies.

Dhonis captaincy? He will do things nobody thinks of and when it works people call it brave and when it doesn't, well then things like today happen. Not giving the new ball to Pathan is a joke. Nevertheless, just because India got their backsides whooped doesn't means Harsha and others are not supposed to write or comment on our cricketing state. Just because some other team has sucked doesn't mean we forget that we have been a constant disappointment.

oronnya
September 28, 2012, 12:05 PM
Harsha wrote some nice articles after our Asia Cup heroics and he has always encouraged BD cricket.. I think as a true cricket fan he is as pissed as we are atm.. If the same article was written by Isam bhai we wouldn't have said anything. So I think it's not fair to say Harsha is upto something just because he is an Indian.. I think our players deserves these harsh criticism to wake them up.. You might not have the talent but you could at least give your 100% while playing which we don't see in our players.. It's just frustrating to follow BD cricket.. We better accept that..

RazabQ
September 28, 2012, 12:18 PM
I agree with the threat part! Perhaps that will spurt the Tutuls of BCB. If they realize that their slush funds might dry up if they don't actually work on the product!

Mr.Cricket
September 28, 2012, 12:38 PM
Harsha wrote some nice articles after our Asia Cup heroics and he has always encouraged BD cricket.. I think as a true cricket fan he is as pissed as we are atm.. If the same article was written by Isam bhai we wouldn't have said anything. So I think it's not fair to say Harsha is upto something just because he is an Indian.. I think our players deserves these harsh criticism to wake them up.. You might not have the talent but you could at least give your 100% while which we don't see in our players.. It's just frustrating to follow BD cricket.. We better accept that..

Your last sentence about talent is wrong Sir. Who said our players don't have talent?? So your saying Asia cup and the NZ series was fake? If they weren't talented then they never would've won a game! The problem we all should be worried about is that our players are lazy and don't give 100 percent ALL THE TIME! They sometime do give 100 percent and that is when we win. So let's make Richard bring out the whip on these guys!
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meazz1
September 28, 2012, 01:19 PM
We are not consistently and convincingly wining games and that's our problem.
No matter how we look at the reporters' comments, we need to prove them wrong and that is a fact we have to accept.

mufi_02
September 28, 2012, 01:24 PM
We are consistently inconsistent

Jadukor
September 28, 2012, 02:17 PM
Looks like Harsha needs to change his article to "top seven needs more competition"

Navo
September 28, 2012, 02:31 PM
^^ The same team bowled England, the reigning T20 champions, out for 80 a couple of days ago. Swings and roundabouts when it comes to the G8.

I don't see how the NZ series shows our 'team' has talent. The NZ series was practically a one-man show with contributions from Rubel. The Asia Cup was definitely the best overall team performance (barring Shahadat and Nazimuddin)

Wakidul
September 28, 2012, 06:24 PM
a few players are missing to make our team competative. We need a dale steyn type bowler as shakib mentioned. Need a watson type bowler and batsmen, need good fielders who give 100% like warner, need a genuine spinner perhaps ajmal, narine (mystery) type, and an Amla/kohli type of batsmen who play risk free but effective cricket. The chances of players like this emerging i rekon is still quite a long way away from bangladesh cricket. So in short term we will remain uncompetitive, but in the distant future this may change, but is this going to be too long a wait for our critics and fans alike?

riad
September 28, 2012, 07:15 PM
a few players are missing to make our team competative. We need a dale steyn type bowler as shakib mentioned. Need a watson type bowler and batsmen, need good fielders who give 100% like warner, need a genuine spinner perhaps ajmal, narine (mystery) type, and an Amla/kohli type of batsmen who play risk free but effective cricket. The chances of players like this emerging i rekon is still quite a long way away from bangladesh cricket. So in short term we will remain uncompetitive, but in the distant future this may change, but is this going to be too long a wait for our critics and fans alike?

I think BD only need commitment from the players, that is it. Some things seems not right now. I agree wholeheartedly what Shakib said. If the fielding improves and people are live wire in the middle every one would be inspired. I still remember Ash's dance and shout against IRE,it was funny I agree, but that somehow changed the direction of the game.
We have enough talented players just need to execute better. Start with fielding.
I mean as a fan I become inspired when I see great fielding from our players why wouldn't Bowlers be inspired looking at the great stop or a good dive by our fielders.

BengaliPagol
September 28, 2012, 07:22 PM
We need a dale steyn type bowler as shakib mentioned. Need a watson type bowler and batsmen, need good fielders who give 100% like warner, need a genuine spinner perhaps ajmal, narine (mystery) type, and an Amla/kohli type of batsmen who play risk free but effective cricket.

We desperately need this type of players. Anamul and Mominul are the closest things to a Kohli at this point in time. Where is a pace bowler going to emerge from? When is this Watson type batsmen going to play for BD? Face it theres still a long way way to go to achieve all this.

OMG
September 28, 2012, 07:24 PM
I think the article is fine. Its true what he is saying. Stop getting soo touchy just because its our team he is being honest about. Yeah india got thrashed today, whats your point?? but their overall record is not worse than ours. He was judging BD record in all formats from the begining. Learn to take it on the chin. I would agree with the threat but I think the threat would backfire and we would fail even more and be demoted.

Tiger444
September 28, 2012, 09:04 PM
We desperately need this type of players. Anamul and Mominul are the closest things to a Kohli at this point in time. Where is a pace bowler going to emerge from? When is this Watson type batsmen going to play for BD? Face it theres still a long way way to go to achieve all this.

That's why Anamul and Mominul should be selected for the WI series. We need to bring in some new blood to challenge our starters. And as for the "Watson" type player you're asking for, Soumya Sarkar seems to be the guy that matches Watson for us. Opens the batting plus is a decent pacer. Obviously that would be a huge ask for him being like Watson but hopefully he can eventually become a good player for us.

Ajfar
September 28, 2012, 09:41 PM
We desperately need this type of players. Anamul and Mominul are the closest things to a Kohli at this point in time.

Kholi and Anamul/Mominul shouldn't be used even in the same sentence. Kholi made his mark from U19 days. He's stock's only been going up since he started playing for India and from the look of it it ain't about to stop anytime soon. We have yet to see Anamul/Mominul play any 'proper' cricket, all we have are just some stats to go by. From stats we definitely have reason's to be hopeful that these 2 guys have the potential make an impact, but to go as far as saying closet thing to kholi is going way way over the line. Even if we put 11 BD batsman's all together we still wouldn't have the closest thing to kholi.

Tiger444
September 28, 2012, 10:11 PM
Kholi and Anamul/Mominul shouldn't be used even in the same sentence. Kholi made his mark from U19 days. He's stock's only been going up since he started playing for India and from the look of it it ain't about to stop anytime soon. We have yet to see Anamul/Mominul play any 'proper' cricket, all we have are just some stats to go by. From stats we definitely have reason's to be hopeful that these 2 guys have the potential make an impact, but to go as far as saying closet thing to kholi is going way way over the line. Even if we put 11 BD batsman's all together we still wouldn't have the closest thing to kholi.

Agreed. I'd be just happy if Anamul/Mominul become 1st choice starters for us or contribute the way Nasir has. That would be a huge step for us since we rely so much on Tamim and Shakib. Kohli's just a freak of a talent. Forget about us, no other team has such a young batsman that has been that prolific. He could become of the greats in the game with the way he's going.

BengaliPagol
September 28, 2012, 10:29 PM
Kholi and Anamul/Mominul shouldn't be used even in the same sentence. Kholi made his mark from U19 days.

What about Anamul?

My point is Anamul and Mominul are our best hope of something good. So i just used the term Kohli. Who else are we looking to do become world class?

BengaliPagol
September 28, 2012, 10:31 PM
That's why Anamul and Mominul should be selected for the WI series. We need to bring in some new blood to challenge our starters. And as for the "Watson" type player you're asking for, Soumya Sarkar seems to be the guy that matches Watson for us. Opens the batting plus is a decent pacer. Obviously that would be a huge ask for him being like Watson but hopefully he can eventually become a good player for us.

Soumya is way too inconsistent. But if he rectifies it then he can be something

Navo
September 28, 2012, 11:16 PM
^ The same used to be said about Watsom + he would physically break down after every couple of matches.

Gowza
September 29, 2012, 12:10 AM
What about Anamul?

My point is Anamul and Mominul are our best hope of something good. So i just used the term Kohli. Who else are we looking to do become world class?

do you think the current A team matches should be any sort of factor for their selection? they haven't exactly scored a lot of runs so far, mominul has done alright though, but anamul has struggled to get runs.

Isnaad
September 29, 2012, 02:40 AM
In 12 years, we have produced 1 and a half world-class players. In the next 5 years, we will hopefully produce 2 and a half more and that will help us make a better fist of things.

kalpurush
September 29, 2012, 02:43 AM
Talking bul!$hit!

Being a commentator, television presenter and writer, did he ever ask or questioned why Bangladesh was not invited to play against India in Indian soil?
Why BCCI is not honouring FTP by not scheduling Bangladesh to play in India?

What did India/BCCI do to help Bangladesh cricket so far?

Now, if you, Mr. Bhogle ask me why BCCI/India will help us? Then shut up and you have no business with us.






-As myself.

meazz1
September 29, 2012, 08:18 AM
Just because India never invited us has nothing to do with a reporter who is pointing out that we suck. I hope we all agree on this part that we suck big time.

BrianLara7
September 29, 2012, 09:59 AM
That's why Anamul and Mominul should be selected for the WI series. We need to bring in some new blood to challenge our starters. And as for the "Watson" type player you're asking for, Soumya Sarkar seems to be the guy that matches Watson for us. Opens the batting plus is a decent pacer. Obviously that would be a huge ask for him being like Watson but hopefully he can eventually become a good player for us.

:floor: Watson is the MVP in limited overs cricket and in t20's he is miles ahead of anyone else when it comes to batting bowling plus fielding. Soumya Sarkar can come close to matching watson only in his dream.. lol

zinatf
September 29, 2012, 10:41 AM
Before jumping on the bandwagon and commenting on Harsha Bhogle, please just look at his reply when I asked him about Bangladesh not getting invited by BCCI to play for a full series against India

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet tw-align-center" data-in-reply-to="216937695312756736"><p>@<a href="https://twitter.com/zinatf">zinatf</a> unacceptable. should be rectified soon</p>&mdash; Harsha Bhogle (@bhogleharsha) <a href="https://twitter.com/bhogleharsha/status/216937960925442048" data-datetime="2012-06-24T16:56:55+00:00">June 24, 2012</a></blockquote> <script src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tiger444
September 29, 2012, 11:27 AM
:floor: Watson is the MVP in limited overs cricket and in t20's he is miles ahead of anyone else when it comes to batting bowling plus fielding. Soumya Sarkar can come close to matching watson only in his dream.. lol

:facepalm: I knew someone would misunderstand me. Please read again. I'm NOT saying Soumya will become as good as Watson. I said they have similarities with the way he also opens the batting and is a part time seamer. That's where the similarities end. Of course that's a huge ask for Soumya to become as good as Watson and I'm not expecting him to be. I would just be happy with him becoming a regular for us in the top order.
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oronnya
September 29, 2012, 11:30 AM
Talking bul!$hit!

Being a commentator, television presenter and writer, did he ever ask or questioned why Bangladesh was not invited to play against India in Indian soil?
Why BCCI is not honouring FTP by not scheduling Bangladesh to play in India?

What did India/BCCI do to help Bangladesh cricket so far?

Now, if you, Mr. Bhogle ask me why BCCI/India will help us? Then shut up and you have no business with us.

-As myself.

Yeah he did actually.. Listen to this where Harsha raised the question while interviewing Siddons and Shamim after the Asia Cup
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/559954.html?genre=33

Tiger444
September 29, 2012, 11:42 AM
do you think the current A team matches should be any sort of factor for their selection? they haven't exactly scored a lot of runs so far, mominul has done alright though, but anamul has struggled to get runs.

I say both of them should be in the team against the WI. Mominul has been the leading scorer in the A team for a while now. Anamul hasn't done as well as should've so far but due to the lack of quality keeper batsmen, he deserves to be there imo. What has Jahurul done all these years? And he doesn't seem to be a long term solution either, rather a stop gap. So I would have Anamul in against the WI. That being said, they should also be playing A team matches whenever available. Kind of like how Nasir played for the A team despite in the national team.
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Tiger444
September 29, 2012, 11:44 AM
Just because India never invited us has nothing to do with a reporter who is pointing out that we suck. I hope we all agree on this part that we suck big time.

Once our rating in all formats of the game reaches 100 points in ALL forms of the games in the rankings, then and only then I would say we don't suck anymore but until then, we're still a weak team. Hate to admit it but its the truth.
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Gowza
September 29, 2012, 11:10 PM
I say both of them should be in the team against the WI. Mominul has been the leading scorer in the A team for a while now. Anamul hasn't done as well as should've so far but due to the lack of quality keeper batsmen, he deserves to be there imo. What has Jahurul done all these years? And he doesn't seem to be a long term solution either, rather a stop gap. So I would have Anamul in against the WI. That being said, they should also be playing A team matches whenever available. Kind of like how Nasir played for the A team despite in the national team.
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Dhiman is a good keeper bat, I'm surprised how overlooked he is. anamul should probably focus on batting in the top 3, that's where he is needed most and most likely where he would bat since there doesn't seem to be any signs of mushy giving up the gloves.

Tiger444
September 29, 2012, 11:40 PM
Dhiman is a good keeper bat, I'm surprised how overlooked he is. anamul should probably focus on batting in the top 3, that's where he is needed most and most likely where he would bat since there doesn't seem to be any signs of mushy giving up the gloves.

He's getting overlooked because his batting isn't as good as Mushy, Jahurul or Anamul's and since our batting is so brittle, we go for the better batsman and in this case its Mushy. I don't see Mushy giving up the gloves up right now since Jahurul and Dhiman aren't as good and Anamul has yet to prove himself. Hopefully Anamul will be good and push Mushy. It would bring good competition.
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Gowza
September 29, 2012, 11:46 PM
He's getting overlooked because his batting isn't as good as Mushy, Jahurul or Anamul's and since our batting is so brittle, we go for the better batsman and in this case its Mushy. I don't see Mushy giving up the gloves up right now since Jahurul and Dhiman aren't as good and Anamul has yet to prove himself. Hopefully Anamul will be good and push Mushy. It would bring good competition.
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It would only push mushy if anamul was being looked at as a keeper selection which I guess they may be doing since he was keeper for the A team but up until this A team series anamul was being pushed as a top 4 specialist batsman, he could keep and bat top 4 in the shorter formats but it's very tough to do in tests. Showman the best glove man probably, still a good batsman but yeah but quite as good as mushy and anamul. For tests imo all of anamul, mushy and dhiman could make the one team.

Zeeshan
September 30, 2012, 12:34 AM
Congrat Zinat!! (Celebrity, yayyy! :P) Lol I may not be fond of Harsha Bhugol-da as commie, but he is really a genial person.

kalpurush
September 30, 2012, 03:03 AM
Before jumping on the bandwagon and commenting on Harsha Bhogle, please just look at his reply when I asked him about Bangladesh not getting invited by BCCI to play for a full series against India



https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2645860254/767c6c2723e54293e59a7669c36811da_normal.jpeg Harsha Bhogle @bhogleharsha <IFRAME class=twt-follow-button src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html#align=right&button=grey&screen_name=bhogleharsha&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameBorder=0 scrolling=no allowTransparency></IFRAME>
@zinatf (http://<blockquote class="twitter-tweet tw-align-center" data-in-reply-to="216937695312756736"><p>@<a href="https://twitter.com/zinatf">zinatf</a> unacceptable. should be rectified soon</p>— Harsha Bhogle (@bhogleharsha) <a href="https://twitter.com/bhogleharsha/status/216937960925442048" data-datetime="2012-06-24T16:56:55+00:00">June 24, 2012</a></blockquote> <script src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>) unacceptable. should be rectified soon



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Well, thank you for letting us know!

Now, I want to know did he approach to BCCI about the issue? How many article he wrote at CI or in any other Indian newspaper?

I know for sure - BCB has approached to BCCI for the tours many times without an end result!

You can ask why I am so concern about the tour to India?
Answer is simple. As many of you say we "suck" (when we lose! And we become the world beater when we win one match!!) - may be we are! We need to fix so many issues, including infra-structures, mentality etc., but BCCI has a responsibility too being a neighbor, being the most powerful and wealthy cricket board to help us out.

One tour might not change everything but certainly will help our cricket immensely.
Do I have to factor out every point? You would know better than me anyway. :)

patriot
September 30, 2012, 05:15 AM
Truth hurts but Harsha got this 100% spot on. He is one Indian commie I refrain from keeping the telly on mute.

meazz1
September 30, 2012, 08:29 AM
He's getting overlooked because his batting isn't as good as Mushy, Jahurul or Anamul's and since our batting is so brittle, we go for the better batsman and in this case its Mushy. I don't see Mushy giving up the gloves up right now since Jahurul and Dhiman aren't as good and Anamul has yet to prove himself. Hopefully Anamul will be good and push Mushy. It would bring good competition.
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Not sure how good Mushy's consistently, give the number of plays Mushy has under his belt, I am sure Dhiman could have done wonder to his keeping and batting as well.

BANFAN
September 30, 2012, 02:42 PM
Talking bul!$hit!

Being a commentator, television presenter and writer, did he ever ask or questioned why Bangladesh was not invited to play against India in Indian soil?
Why BCCI is not honouring FTP by not scheduling Bangladesh to play in India?

What did India/BCCI do to help Bangladesh cricket so far?

Now, if you, Mr. Bhogle ask me why BCCI/India will help us? Then shut up and you have no business with us.


-As myself.

As if we would have been any better team just by visiting India. Instead India has played us in BD, that wasn't any less. And while we aren't helping ourselves, we are trying to measure how much of help they have offered??

We can beg for help, and if someone doesn't help, there is no beggars right authority to complain about it. What we can do instead, is just keep quiet and help ourselves first. We have the ability to hire any kind of professional for knowledge, but none can make up for the lacking in our own sincerity. If we are sincere enough about our cricket's development and are ready to do the hard work ... None can stop us and we don't need to beg for help.

I as a Bangladeshi and a BD cricket fan, just don't like to beg for an Indian tour and make that a reason or lack of indin support a reason for our backward situation I cricket. Either we do the hard work ourselves and improve, or we perish. We no more have the poor/lack of money CARD IN CRICKET that we always use for our backward situation in every damn sector. I hope that's also the case for all sectors now... Lets stop crying for help and let's stop using the lack of resource card for ever as a nation. If we are worth doing something, lets prove it by our ability...and that can begin with Cricket..

The days of relief aids are over my fellow citizens... Lets change our attitude and be self reliant and revive our self respect as a nation. Yes, we have to challenge the Top 8 by our own merit and capacity, not by the mercy of anyone of them.

Tiger444
September 30, 2012, 05:24 PM
Not sure how good Mushy's consistently, give the number of plays Mushy has under his belt, I am sure Dhiman could have done wonder to his keeping and batting as well.

Well from the last time I watched Dhiman, his keeping was obviously much better than Mushy's but his batting was not nearly as good. That was of course, a long time ago and I haven't seen his batting since but he hasn't been that great in the A team either. I agree though Mushy hasn't progressed the way he should've. He's obviously had some quality innings in his time but not consistently enough. Hes been a bit lucky that there aren't other wicketkeepers that can bat as well as him but hopefully that changes with Anamul coming in.

22Yards
September 30, 2012, 08:48 PM
As if we would have been any better team just by visiting India. Instead India has played us in BD, that wasn't any less. And while we aren't helping ourselves, we are trying to measure how much of help they have offered??

We can beg for help, and if someone doesn't help, there is no beggars right authority to complain about it. What we can do instead, is just keep quiet and help ourselves first. We have the ability to hire any kind of professional for knowledge, but none can make up for the lacking in our own sincerity. If we are sincere enough about our cricket's development and are ready to do the hard work ... None can stop us and we don't need to beg for help.

I as a Bangladeshi and a BD cricket fan, just don't like to beg for an Indian tour and make that a reason or lack of indin support a reason for our backward situation I cricket. Either we do the hard work ourselves and improve, or we perish. We no more have the poor/lack of money CARD IN CRICKET that we always use for our backward situation in every damn sector. I hope that's also the case for all sectors now... Lets stop crying for help and let's stop using the lack of resource card for ever as a nation. If we are worth doing something, lets prove it by our ability...and that can begin with Cricket..

The days of relief aids are over my fellow citizens... Lets change our attitude and be self reliant and revive our self respect as a nation. Yes, we have to challenge the Top 8 by our own merit and capacity, not by the mercy of anyone of them.
WOW.. way to go sir. :up:

22Yards
September 30, 2012, 08:51 PM
Well from the last time I watched Dhiman, his keeping was obviously much better than Mushy's but his batting was not nearly as good. That was of course, a long time ago and I haven't seen his batting since but he hasn't been that great in the A team either. I agree though Mushy hasn't progressed the way he should've. He's obviously had some quality innings in his time but not consistently enough. Hes been a bit lucky that there aren't other wicketkeepers that can bat as well as him but hopefully that changes with Anamul coming in.

If I remember right, Dhiman is lightening quick as a keeper. I always wondered if having him in the team is really worth a shot or not since Mushys batting hasn't produced as much as we have liked, overall.

Tiger444
September 30, 2012, 09:37 PM
If I remember right, Dhiman is lightening quick as a keeper. I always wondered if having him in the team is really worth a shot or not since Mushys batting hasn't produced as much as we have liked, overall.

You remember correctly bhai. Dhiman is very efficient behind the stumps. Coach Ian was also very impressed with the way he kept the wickets in the BPL when he kept for Ajmal and Afridi. Actually before Rangpur was formed in the NCL, both Mushy and Dhiman were on Rajshahi and Dhiman was the one who kept wickets ahead of Mushy. So it clearly shows that even their domestic side preferred Dhiman as the keeper.

As for having Dhiman in the team, I'm hoping the selectors keep him in mind for Tests especially. Mushy's keeping in Tests has not been very good at all and as we know, a drop in Tests could mean a guy could go on to score a 100. I feel Dhiman could be our answer as our Test wicketkeeper and should be our wicketkeeper in that format. As for the shorter versions, again it's a possibility. Mushy hasn't proved to be the answer at #4. So the question arises, do we really need him that much at #5-7? I feel we could easily slot Dhiman in there and see what he has to offer. Again he might not be as effective as Mushy but has Mushy been all that great with the bat? Plus Dhiman would more than make up for it with his keeping. So the selectors should definitely think about Dhiman in their plans for the national team.

Gowza
September 30, 2012, 09:37 PM
the thing to do is to take the gloves away from mushy, then he'll have to prove his worth as a batsman.

playmaker
October 1, 2012, 04:12 AM
As if we would have been any better team just by visiting India. Instead India has played us in BD, that wasn't any less. And while we aren't helping ourselves, we are trying to measure how much of help they have offered??

We can beg for help, and if someone doesn't help, there is no beggars right authority to complain about it. What we can do instead, is just keep quiet and help ourselves first. We have the ability to hire any kind of professional for knowledge, but none can make up for the lacking in our own sincerity. If we are sincere enough about our cricket's development and are ready to do the hard work ... None can stop us and we don't need to beg for help.

I as a Bangladeshi and a BD cricket fan, just don't like to beg for an Indian tour and make that a reason or lack of indin support a reason for our backward situation I cricket. Either we do the hard work ourselves and improve, or we perish. We no more have the poor/lack of money CARD IN CRICKET that we always use for our backward situation in every damn sector. I hope that's also the case for all sectors now... Lets stop crying for help and let's stop using the lack of resource card for ever as a nation. If we are worth doing something, lets prove it by our ability...and that can begin with Cricket..

The days of relief aids are over my fellow citizens... Lets change our attitude and be self reliant and revive our self respect as a nation. Yes, we have to challenge the Top 8 by our own merit and capacity, not by the mercy of anyone of them.

agree totally with you :notworthy::notworthy:

Why are we blaming our neighbourse for not supporting us. We are a test nation with enough money to run FC matches throughout the year and yet we are in such a condition.

22Yards
October 1, 2012, 05:58 PM
You remember correctly bhai. Dhiman is very efficient behind the stumps. Coach Ian was also very impressed with the way he kept the wickets in the BPL when he kept for Ajmal and Afridi. Actually before Rangpur was formed in the NCL, both Mushy and Dhiman were on Rajshahi and Dhiman was the one who kept wickets ahead of Mushy. So it clearly shows that even their domestic side preferred Dhiman as the keeper.

As for having Dhiman in the team, I'm hoping the selectors keep him in mind for Tests especially. Mushy's keeping in Tests has not been very good at all and as we know, a drop in Tests could mean a guy could go on to score a 100. I feel Dhiman could be our answer as our Test wicketkeeper and should be our wicketkeeper in that format. As for the shorter versions, again it's a possibility. Mushy hasn't proved to be the answer at #4. So the question arises, do we really need him that much at #5-7? I feel we could easily slot Dhiman in there and see what he has to offer. Again he might not be as effective as Mushy but has Mushy been all that great with the bat? Plus Dhiman would more than make up for it with his keeping. So the selectors should definitely think about Dhiman in their plans for the national team.
What i am thinking is that if Dhiman had the same time and opportunity as mushfiq, who knows we could have had a better wicket keeper batsman right now. Mushfiq is a hardworker but his development as a batsman over the years has been really slow.

Gowza
October 1, 2012, 06:16 PM
What i am thinking is that if Dhiman had the same time and opportunity as mushfiq, who knows we could have had a better wicket keeper batsman right now. Mushfiq is a hardworker but his development as a batsman over the years has been really slow.

dhiman should be test keeper i've no doubt. play mushy as a specialist batsman in the middle order, anamul can bat at #2 or #3. for one-dayers they could do it differently but i really think they should give that combination a go in tests. at least have dhiman as keeper and mushy as a batsmen even if anamul isn't in the team.

Tiger444
October 1, 2012, 07:06 PM
What i am thinking is that if Dhiman had the same time and opportunity as mushfiq, who knows we could have had a better wicket keeper batsman right now. Mushfiq is a hardworker but his development as a batsman over the years has been really slow.

I agree that Mushy's development has been disappointing. He came in around the same time as Shakib and Tamim but look at those 2 compared to Mushy now. So it's definitely disappointing. He should've been much better by now. Obviously hard work and determination are not the problem. It must be a mental block that he has when it comes to international matches.

I'm not sure how good Dhiman would've been by now but he does himself to blame. Back in 2008, him and Mushy were toe to toe with each other but then Dhiman bolted to the ICL. Had he stayed, he might've beaten out Mushy by now who knows.

Gowza
October 1, 2012, 09:17 PM
For me dhiman is an easy pick for test keeper and therefore imo it's clear cut that mushy should be played as a pure batsman in tests, don't forget his more recent test stats are quite decent as a batsman.

Tiger444
October 1, 2012, 09:26 PM
For me dhiman is an easy pick for test keeper and therefore imo it's clear cut that mushy should be played as a pure batsman in tests, don't forget his more recent test stats are quite decent as a batsman.

Agreed. I wish the selectors would do this but I doubt it'll happen.

BANFAN
October 11, 2012, 05:30 AM
Lets Start the challenge with Number 8 ... Can we??