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jeesh
October 3, 2012, 06:51 AM
It is no secret our pace attack is in bad shape. And because we dont have a strong pipeline, there is no competition, and any injury forces selectors to push youngsters like Abul Hasan who are raw and have very little experience in the deep end. And as we all know it often end up too well.

But the thing is there are bowlers in our pipeline who are capable of pushing for a place in the side. Not saying they will be top quality, but at least they can push for a place and stir up some competition. Some of them might be young emerging bowlers. Some who have never broken into the team, and some who played for the NT in the past but are out of contention. These guys need the right coaching and support-maybe through a pace academy. And coaching not before a series, rather on a long term basis like how Indian and Sri Lankan pacers are trained. For some reason the older our pace bowlers get, the more they get out of contention. Its a contrast in other parts of the World. For example: In Sri Lanka, Chanaka Welegedara and Dhammika Prasad have made their break in international cricket in their late 20's. Can you imagine our pacers playing beyond 25? Usually doesnt happen (Except Mashrafee). Talha Jubair for instance is still relatively young-26-27. Can you imagine making him a comeback? Probably never.

So lets use this thread to discuss how emerging, and more experienced Bangladeshi pace bowlers are faring in domestic cricket, A team matches, under 19 matches etc.

jeesh
October 3, 2012, 06:56 AM
Anyone aware of how Shafaq Al Zabir has been doing last couple of seasons. He'll be playing for Barisal. Its not often we get a bowler who is 6'4.

Jadukor
October 3, 2012, 07:03 AM
I think our pacers only work on their fitness when they are around the national team setup, otherwise bowlers liKe Talha or Taposh Baysho should have been able to make comebacks just like mohammed sami, razzaq did for pakistan. It could be due lack of facilities to be in shape but i largely blame it on lack of positive attitude. Everytime there is an interiew from a cricketer out of the side the tone is always that of a victim.

Pace bowling requires a lot of mental discipline and seeing how fat mashrafi becomes everytime he is out due to injury tells me that the need for biriyani is a lot stronger than the need to be the best at the moment.

Shubho
October 3, 2012, 07:07 AM
This one's easy.

Pace pipeline? There is no pipeline.

Case closed. Let's close this thread and reopen only when we have a pacer worthy of the name.

Gowza
October 3, 2012, 07:22 AM
Lots of potential but not a lot of development. Rubel, shafiul, robin, abul, the 2 kamruls, emon Ahmed, sajidul, al Amin, Abu jayed, taskin, dollar and more.

Isnaad
October 3, 2012, 08:23 AM
Shoja shapta kotha hochhe: batting hok, spin bowling hok, kingba pace bowling hok, khelay bhalo bhabe perform korar jonno shoreer e jemon kichhu thaaka laagey, thhik temni mathay o kichhu thaka laage.
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If we take a look at the educational background of our players and compare it with their overall performances, you will clearly see that the ones with better educational backgrounds are the ones who are on top of the lists. This applies everywhere.
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Now why am I saying this? Here's why: We all know that our pacers are not as talented or well-built as many others from the other G8 teams+ Afghanistan (Yes their pacers have impressed me quite a lot). Yes, stating the obvious. Then what are we supposed to do? Well, utilize whatever is there to the fullest and hope for the best. And what kind of a bowler can do it for us? Someone with wit and someone who has done the homework on the batsmen properly.
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Being a left arm pace bowler myself (Nothing professional, but still), whenever I am bowling, what do I try to do? Bowl an ideal line and length to start off with and then during the slog overs, try to read the batsmen's mindset and bowl accordingly. Sometimes it pays off and sometimes it does not. Now, I am not a pro but for limited overs cricket, wherever you play, this is, more or less, the ideal approach.
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Now, have our pace bowlers tried to maintain the perfect line and length? No. What have they opted for this time around (T20I WC)? Short balls that were already being battered around by Shakib and co. in the 1st innings of the Pakistan match.
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Have our pacers been respected/ gifted when they have bowled or tried to bowl just outside the off line with a perfect or nearabout length? Yes. Edges, leaves showing respect, play and misses spoke for themselves in Asia Cup and T20I world cup too.
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Bottom line is: We need to stick to basics, bowl intelligently and hope for the best. Grey matter and proper implementation akash theke eshe porbe na. Our bowlers need to study batsmen's psychology, pitch conditions and bowl accordingly. Homework and classwork are equally important in this case. Give me a break from "talented but seldom delivers" (Because I have had enough with Ashraful already).

Saifulsohel
October 3, 2012, 08:48 AM
Shoja shapta kotha hochhe: batting hok, spin bowling hok, kingba pace bowling hok, khelay bhalo bhabe perform korar jonno shoreer e jemon kichhu thaaka laagey, thhik temni mathay o kichhu thaka laage.
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If we take a look at the educational background of our players and compare it with their overall performances, you will clearly see that the ones with better educational backgrounds are the ones who are on top of the lists. This applies everywhere.
...
Now why am I saying this? Here's why: We all know that our pacers are not as talented or well-built as many others from the other G8 teams+ Afghanistan (Yes their pacers have impressed me quite a lot). Yes, stating the obvious. Then what are we supposed to do? Well, utilize whatever is there to the fullest and hope for the best. And what kind of a bowler can do it for us? Someone with wit and someone who has done the homework on the batsmen properly.
...
Being a left arm pace bowler myself (Nothing professional, but still), whenever I am bowling, what do I try to do? Bowl an ideal line and length to start off with and then during the slog overs, try to read the batsmen's mindset and bowl accordingly. Sometimes it pays off and sometimes it does not. Now, I am not a pro but for limited overs cricket, wherever you play, this is, more or less, the ideal approach.
...
Now, have our pace bowlers tried to maintain the perfect line and length? No. What have they opted for this time around (T20I WC)? Short balls that were already being battered around by Shakib and co. in the 1st innings of the Pakistan match.
...
Have our pacers been respected/ gifted when they have bowled or tried to bowl just outside the off line with a perfect or nearabout length? Yes. Edges, leaves showing respect, play and misses spoke for themselves in Asia Cup and T20I world cup too.
...
Bottom line is: We need to stick to basics, bowl intelligently and hope for the best. Grey matter and proper implementation akash theke eshe porbe na. Our bowlers need to study batsmen's psychology, pitch conditions and bowl accordingly. Homework and classwork are equally important in this case. Give me a break from "talented but seldom delivers" (Because I have had enough with Ashraful already).

i 2nd u.

jeesh
October 3, 2012, 08:49 AM
Lots of potential but not a lot of development. Rubel, shafiul, robin, abul, the 2 kamruls, emon Ahmed, sajidul, al Amin, Abu jayed, taskin, dollar and more.
Not a bad list. Then you can consider national team discards like Rasel, Shahadat, Robiul, Tareq Aziz. Then there is everybody's favorite-Nazmul Hossain. Etc. Then theres this guy Mohammad Shahzada who has been a domestic cricket hero for a long time-very consistent. He might not be national team quality but he has an impressive average of 21, just under 200 wickets.

So opened this thread to discuss how each of these guys are doing starting with NCL. Speaking of Abul he had a pretty decent spell against Sagicor

jeesh
October 3, 2012, 08:53 AM
I think our pacers only work on their fitness when they are around the national team setup, otherwise bowlers liKe Talha or Taposh Baysho should have been able to make comebacks just like mohammed sami, razzaq did for pakistan. It could be due lack of facilities to be in shape but i largely blame it on lack of positive attitude. Everytime there is an interiew from a cricketer out of the side the tone is always that of a victim.

Pace bowling requires a lot of mental discipline and seeing how fat mashrafi becomes everytime he is out due to injury tells me that the need for biriyani is a lot stronger than the need to be the best at the moment.
Exactly very very good point Jadukor. I doubt our guys work on their fitness outside tours, tournaments. Again a pace academy, or our high performance unit can help with this regard. Another Pakistani example (Not comeback, rather late introduction) is Aizaz Cheema who at the age of 33 can bowl over 140 comfortably.

jeesh
October 3, 2012, 08:57 AM
This one's easy.

Pace pipeline? There is no pipeline.

Case closed. Let's close this thread and reopen only when we have a pacer worthy of the name.
Lol @ Shubho. I understand your frustrations mate. We dont seem to have a pipeline for batting or bowling. But there are some positives in the horizon. RP can be a very good coach, RM is back. BCB is not shy about having a full set of specialist coaches. Despite all the controversies BPL will benefit our cricket. And now trying to make first class more exciting. So yeah these are positive steps. Hopefully results will come.

mufi_02
October 3, 2012, 09:02 AM
Pipeline diye ar hobe nah. Pipe e moila pore noshto hoye gese. Ekhon porishkar pani (pacer) ne eshe moila pani ashe (Abul, Babul, Shafiul) ashe.

Do some pacer hunting. That's how we got Mash and Rubel. Get the raw talents by this nationwide hunt and then send them to McInnes or any other specialized coach for few years.

Nadim
October 3, 2012, 09:35 AM
Pipeline diye ar hobe nah. Pipe e moila pore noshto hoye gese. Ekhon porishkar pani (pacer) ne eshe moila pani ashe (Abul, Babul, Shafiul) ashe.
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Do some pacer hunting. That's how we got Mash and Rubel. Get the raw talents by this nationwide hunt and then send them to McInnes or any other specialized coach for few years.


Mash came through pacer hunt:facepalm:?
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jeesh
October 3, 2012, 09:41 AM
Lol. I am not sure we have had any success from pace hunts. Maybe a reason why GP doesnt run it anymore. In one of the pace hunts they brought in Shahadat to inspire the youngsters (At that time Shahadat was supposed to be the fastest in the country). Shahadat's fastest delivery in that camp was 135-136. Now did he inspire or un inspire?

mufi_02
October 3, 2012, 09:56 AM
Mash came through pacer hunt:facepalm:?
<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition (Blackberry)

My bad. He was U-19 player but fast tracked to A team after Andy Roberts' recommendation.

jeesh
October 3, 2012, 10:05 AM
No mate i dont think he played for Under 19. He did well in a regional school tournament, was spotted. Worked in a short camp with Andy Roberts. Mashrafee claimed the camp changed his life. Was quickly drafted in the A team. Had a terrific tour in India where he troubled batsmen with his pace and bounce. He was so damn good he was fast tracked to the NT for a series against Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe were better than us at that point, and they got quite a surprise facing Mashrafee. Mashrafee was the only BD bowler who could make a batsman play on the backfoot and at will. In that series his fastest delivery was 147 kph, which got a huge roar from the crowd.

Imo Mashrafee is a special once in a decade talent. You just cant get a player like him just like that. But if you take his word, then the coaching by Andy Roberts helped him immensely.

AsifTheManRahman
October 3, 2012, 10:12 AM
He played in the U-17 team I think, beat the hell out of Oman or Singapore or some associate. A couple of years later, he was in the national team, bowling to Test batsmen.

mufi_02
October 3, 2012, 10:18 AM
I thought he was in U-19 but I am not too sure then. I remember watching him play alongside Ashraful and Nafees Iqbal for the U-19 team. The commentators and media used to call him 'Koushik' back then.

And yes, you are right about his talent. Once in a decade type of player.

roman
October 3, 2012, 10:43 AM
We are Unfortunate that we didn't get Mash's service that much. After so many injuries and operations, Mash has lost bulk of his pace and aggressiveness. Feel Very sorry to see him like this.

You think Rubel got pace?? You haven't seen Mash's debut match against Zim or the series against NZ.

Gowza
October 3, 2012, 10:56 AM
forgot subashis and babu, plenty of talent to be developed, should be able to develop at least of a couple into decent fast bowlers.

SS
October 3, 2012, 11:11 AM
Pipeline ei Shahadat Shahrukh Khan er nam nei ....King Shahadat er hunker e batsmanera kupokat hoiya jai...actually I just checked he is not in pipeline but he is in drainline and our current pipeline is connected to that drainline

jeesh
October 3, 2012, 11:19 AM
Gul and Mortaza started making their mark around the same time-both same age. At the beginning Mashrafe was slightly better-more pace, more aggression, more heart. But Mashrafe's multiple injuries slowed him down. Gul kept developing and today is a much better bowler. Even these days Gul can bowl in excess of 140 kph. But if you compare their records, they are pretty much neck n neck in ODI's, Mashrafe played a few more matches. Gul has done far better in tests.

Rubel was quite quick when he started 140+. Dont know what happened

Isnaad
October 3, 2012, 11:43 AM
Rubel was quite quick when he started 140+. Dont know what happened

Rubel still has a lot of pace in him. When he bowls outside the sub-continent, he regularly ticks 140 Km/h. Then again, he hasn't played away for a long time now. In sub-continent conditions, I've seen him bowl at 134-138 km/h regularly in the last matches he has played. Bad luck that he's injured. He and Mashrafe are musts for our team to do well.

hoodlum
October 3, 2012, 11:50 AM
My bad. He was U-19 player but fast tracked to A team after Andy Roberts' recommendation.

Your bad again...He came through a Talent Hunt program (not pacer hunt) and was selected straight from the U-17.

BagherBacha
October 3, 2012, 01:06 PM
Your bad again...He came through a Talent Hunt program (not pacer hunt) and was selected straight from the U-17.

Mash along with Shafaq and Talha were noticed by Andy Roberts when Mash was only 17 years old, can’t remember if it was from pacer hunt or talent hunt. As advised by Andy, he was rushed into A team where he played practice match against national team and beat the hell out of national cricketers

After few months he was sent to India with BD A team to play against some local teams where he was taking 4/5 wickets in every single match. India national team was playing abroad at that time, their pace bowlers sucked big time. I remember reading an Indian newspaper praising Mash and they wished they had a Mash to play for India. I was over the moon after reading that.
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After India series he was called into national team. He was over used, that’s why we are seeing all of these injuries. Poor mash.<o:p></o:p>

BANFAN
October 3, 2012, 01:20 PM
We have a good number of talented pacers, all raw talents though. But unfortunately we don't have system in place to fine tune them and take them to the next level. Neither we have a strong pace culture like Pak or WI for them to be developed naturally at the club level.

It was so important for us to continue with coaches like Ian Pont ... There was a clear sign of development in the pace department under him. If we can have a HP camp for the pacers even now, we can come up with 3/4 good pacers in 6 months time.

BagherBacha
October 3, 2012, 01:30 PM
We have a good number of talented pacers, all raw talents though. But unfortunately we don't have system in place to fine tune them and take them to the next level. Neither we have a strong pace culture like Pak or WI for them to be developed naturally at the club level.

It was so important for us to continue with coaches like Ian Pont ... There was a clear sign of development in the pace department under him. If we can have a HP camp for the pacers even now, we can come up with 3/4 good pacers in 6 months time.

We should fire Lotus kamal not to retain Ian. May be that face book picture by Ian was the reason for BCB not to retain him. pathetic

Nadim
October 3, 2012, 01:38 PM
We have a good number of talented pacers, all raw talents though. But unfortunately we don't have system in place to fine tune them and take them to the next level. Neither we have a strong pace culture like Pak or WI for them to be developed naturally at the club level.

It was so important for us to continue with coaches like Ian Pont ... There was a clear sign of development in the pace department under him. If we can have a HP camp for the pacers even now, we can come up with 3/4 good pacers in 6 months time.

No coach can help if a pacer(in this case any player) doesn't train all yr long. As they say, practice is the key to success! AFAIK, during off season, most of the players outside nats team do no training whatsoever. That's not their fault..It's because BCB doesn't have any alternative plans for these players. Unless we change that, we will continue to struggle in every department, not only pace.

Financially players needs help too. Just look at Talha. Got injured @ age of 18, was one of the Most Promising FAST bowler in the country back in the day but where is he now? BCB didn't bother to pay for his surgery, forget about looking after him...

Ian Pont
October 3, 2012, 03:01 PM
We should fire Lotus kamal not to retain Ian. May be that face book picture by Ian was the reason for BCB not to retain him. pathetic

Get your facts right. The BCB offered me an extension to my contract. You can read why I didn't accept it here: http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/story/508726.html

Read that headline :-)

BagherBacha
October 3, 2012, 03:06 PM
Get your facts right. The BCB offered me an extension to my contract. You can read why I didn't accept it here: http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/story/508726.html

Read that headline.

Hi Ian,

I was mad at BCB not to give you offer the way you want. They should have retained you at any cost.

Gowza
October 3, 2012, 05:39 PM
definitely need something where the players are training all year round, clubs/franchises should setup mandatory pre-season programs but outside of these programs there needs to be other outlets and facilities for the players to train, of course the players have to want to train to or they just won't. but minimum there needs to be mandatory pre-season training.

as far as pacers specifically a pace academy would help, because if there was the pace academy on top of the normal academy and HP unit and on top of scheduled A team series and national team series then young up coming prospects as well as national team fringe players will have want they need to train properly and develop, course as already said the players need to want to do it.

al-Sagar
October 4, 2012, 12:18 AM
Your bad again...He came through a Talent Hunt program (not pacer hunt) and was selected straight from the U-17.

Mash along with Shafaq and Talha were noticed by Andy Roberts when Mash was only 17 years old, can’t remember if it was from pacer hunt or talent hunt. As advised by Andy, he was rushed into A team where he played practice match against national team and beat the hell out of national cricketers

After few months he was sent to India with BD A team to play against some local teams where he was taking 4/5 wickets in every single match. India national team was playing abroad at that time, their pace bowlers sucked big time. I remember reading an Indian newspaper praising Mash and they wished they had a Mash to play for India. I was over the moon after reading that.
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After India series he was called into national team. He was over used, that’s why we are seeing all of these injuries. Poor mash.<o:p></o:p>

RUBEL was the product of the first ever PACER HUNT in bangladesh.

mash was spotted in the talent hunt of Andy roberts. roberts metioned shafaq had the best know how and aggression of a perfect pace bowler but lacked the skills to apply it consistently.

i am sure before getting into BD-A team Mash played for a BD u-17 team in a regional tournament where the u-17 teams from IND, PAK and SL.

that BD-u-17 team had Ashraful, nafees iqbal, Mohammed Sharif, Talha jubair and the ind u-17 team consisted shikhar dhawan, robin uthappa, ambati rayudu, Suresh raina, VRV singh etc.

al-Sagar
October 4, 2012, 12:21 AM
I thought he was in U-19 but I am not too sure then. I remember watching him play alongside Ashraful and Nafees Iqbal for the U-19 team. The commentators and media used to call him 'Koushik' back then.

And yes, you are right about his talent. Once in a decade type of player.

probably you remember the same tourney i mentioned in the previous post.

as i am trying to remember more i think pak had Reaz Afridi ..... SL had jehan Mubarak

jeesh
October 15, 2012, 04:50 AM
So who do you all think will be our standout pace bowlers this upcoming NCL. My money is on Abu Jayed.

Here are our top 5 leading wicket takers (Pace) in the last 5 editions. Note national team seamers hardly break into the list- Shafiul, Nazmul, Rubel, Shahadat. Even Abul Hasan has only 5 wickets in 4 FC matches. So what is really the basis of selection for the NT?

2011/12

Dolar Mahmud-40
Al-Amin Hossain- 39
Abu Jayed-35
Mukhtar Ali- 32
Kazi Kamrul Islam- 26

2010/11

Farhad Reza- 19
Mahbubul Alam- 19
Mohammad Sharif- 18
Kazi Kamrul Islam- 17
Shafaq Al Zabir- 13

2009/10

Mohammad Sharif- 41
Kazi Kamrul Islam- 30
Syed Rasel- 25
Dollar Mahmud- 25
Robiul Islam- 23

2008/09

Robiul Islam- 48
Ziaur Rahman- 38
Talha Jubair- 37
Tareq Aziz- 35
Dolar Mahmud- 30

2007/08

Tareq Aziz- 43
Mahbubul Alam-39
Mohammad Sharif- 38
Talha Jubair- 38
Sajidul Islam- 36

Source: Cricinfo

Sohel
October 15, 2012, 05:08 AM
Zunaid, Robiul and myself had lunch with Richard McInnes last week. He seems impressed by Taskin. He hasn't had a look at Shubhashish yet, but I think he'll be impressed unless young and big Mr. Roy's formidable abilities have declined since Asian Games.

Gowza
October 15, 2012, 05:26 AM
kazi kamrul in the top 5 the last 3 editions? what more does he have to do to get a look in?

Jadukor
October 15, 2012, 05:35 AM
kazi kamrul in the top 5 the last 3 editions? what more does he have to do to get a look in?

yeah I would like to see this guy picked too... Can't do much worse than the current bunch anyways

BengaliPagol
October 15, 2012, 05:36 AM
i hope at least one batsmen averages 50+ in this addition of the NCL. Can someone get the highest averages in each addition of the NCL so we have an idea of which batsmen were actually performing?

Gowza
October 15, 2012, 05:38 AM
yeah I would like to see this guy picked too... Can't do much worse than the current bunch anyways

he's a lefty as well so would add some variation to the pace attack.

BengaliPagol
October 15, 2012, 05:40 AM
kazi kamrul in the top 5 the last 3 editions? what more does he have to do to get a look in?

yeah thats what i thought as well. Surely he is better than Shahadat and Abul or possibly even better than Shafiul.

mij
October 15, 2012, 05:43 AM
As usual our selector not selecting right.

BengaliPagol
October 15, 2012, 05:43 AM
Even Abul Hasan has only 5 wickets in 4 FC matches. So what is really the basis of selection for the NT?

Bowl fast.

Gowza
October 15, 2012, 05:46 AM
yeah thats what i thought as well. Surely he is better than Shahadat and Abul or possibly even better than Shafiul.

there are a bunch of pacers that could be given more chances ahead of shafiul and shahadat. kazi kamrul is one, al amin and abu jayed are others, also guys like robin, dolar and sajidul didn't get to many chances before being discarded. dolar didn't even do that badly in his 7 ODIs, sure his econ rate was high (over 7) but his strike rate was only 26 and his average was 32 which for a BD pacer isn't bad at all on the international scene. robin and sajidul didn't fair as well as dolar during their internatioanl outings but they still could be or at least could have been given more chances in hindsight when you consider how many shahadat and shafiul etc have got.

jeesh
October 15, 2012, 05:56 AM
Having done a bit more digging, doesnt seem like guys like Shafiul, Rubel, Nazmul, Shahadat play a lot of FC matches. Maybe because they are engaged with the NT. But how many series do we play a year for them to be engaged with NT duty? Or are we putting tours in the wrong time, when our players should actually be playing FC cricket. How can we expect our NT pacers to pick wickets in the international arena, when they dont even play FC. And if Rubel, Shahadat, Shafiul, Nazmul are our best pacers we would ideally want the batsmen to be facing such bowlers. So time to really think BCB. Consistent success in FC is imperative for national team selection. We shouldnt go by skill or perceived skill only.

Btw agree with Sohel. Taskin Ahmed is another to watch out this season. Hope 3-4 pace bowlers can hit the 40 wicket mark.

jeesh
October 15, 2012, 06:05 AM
Just building on Gowza's post. Dolar Mahmud has 142 FC wickets with average of 24. Kazi Kamrul Islam 120 FC wickets at an average of 26. Abu Jayed 49 wickets, average of 20. Mahbubul Alam 133 wickets, average of 25. Sajidul Islam 125 wickets, average of 28.

Versus

Shahadat Hossain 147 wickets, average of 40. Rubel Hossain 41 wickets, average 61. Shafiul Islam 42 wickets, average of 37. Nazmul Hossain 71 wickets, average of 29. Of course the NT bowlers statistics will be a little messed up because they got a hammering in test cricket. But clearly the wickets are not there.

So once again how can we expect inexperienced FC cricketers to be successful in international cricket?

Gowza
October 15, 2012, 06:45 AM
Just building on Gowza's post. Dolar Mahmud has 142 FC wickets with average of 24. Kazi Kamrul Islam 120 FC wickets at an average of 26. Abu Jayed 49 wickets, average of 20. Mahbubul Alam 133 wickets, average of 25. Sajidul Islam 125 wickets, average of 28.

Versus

Shahadat Hossain 147 wickets, average of 40. Rubel Hossain 41 wickets, average 61. Shafiul Islam 42 wickets, average of 37. Nazmul Hossain 71 wickets, average of 29. Of course the NT bowlers statistics will be a little messed up because they got a hammering in test cricket. But clearly the wickets are not there.

So once again how can we expect inexperienced FC cricketers to be successful in international cricket?

it's a good point, test matches are few and far between and when the domestic FC matches are being played the national players are either play test matches or some other form of international cricket or they're resting. there needs to be more FC cricket in BD, that's why it's good to here they are working on a 2nd FC tournament, but unless the test match players get in some FC cricket between tests then it will always be tough for them to develop and succeed in that format.

Gowza
October 15, 2012, 06:49 AM
Just building on Gowza's post. Dolar Mahmud has 142 FC wickets with average of 24. Kazi Kamrul Islam 120 FC wickets at an average of 26. Abu Jayed 49 wickets, average of 20. Mahbubul Alam 133 wickets, average of 25. Sajidul Islam 125 wickets, average of 28.

Versus

Shahadat Hossain 147 wickets, average of 40. Rubel Hossain 41 wickets, average 61. Shafiul Islam 42 wickets, average of 37. Nazmul Hossain 71 wickets, average of 29. Of course the NT bowlers statistics will be a little messed up because they got a hammering in test cricket. But clearly the wickets are not there.

So once again how can we expect inexperienced FC cricketers to be successful in international cricket?

and so far al amin has 39 wickets at an average of 16. subashis roy is another to look at, he has 42 wickets at an average of 24. i'll be interested to see how babu does in the up coming season, so far only averaging 35 with the ball in FC cricket but has a 24 average in List A's and averages 43 with the bat in FC cricket with a century and 2 half centuries already.

Tiger444
October 15, 2012, 08:39 AM
It's a good point to bring up. If our national team bowlers have average FC records, then how do we expect them to do well in the international arena? That being said, we also have to bring this point up as well, how much can we take out of these domestic statistics? Because remember, the NCL is known as "picnic cricket" and while these players could have success in domestics, they might not be cut out for international cricket.

Take a look at Dollar for example, the guy has been consistently been taking wickets at the FC scene in BD, but what does he do once he goes to India in the A team tour? He ended up being nonexistent. Kazi Kamrul has also been nonexistent at the Academy level. So this might be the reason as to why our selectors are sticking with the guys we have. They're probably going in with the mindset of going in with the guys have with pure potential instead of domestic stars.

jeesh
October 23, 2012, 11:21 AM
As expected spinners rule round 1. Shahadat was probably one of the better pace bowlers. Good to see Taskin amongst wickets

mufi_02
October 23, 2012, 11:26 AM
As expected spinners rule round 1. Shahadat was probably one of the better pace bowlers. Good to see Taskin amongst wickets

And that says the condition of our pace pipeline. Did Mash play in this round? Is he completely giving up on longer formats?

AsifTheManRahman
October 23, 2012, 11:32 AM
And that says the condition of our pace pipeline. Did Mash play in this round? Is he completely giving up on longer formats?
I don't think he played and it's probably best if he gives up on longer formats altogether. Jibone aagey, kheladhula pore.

Tiger444
October 23, 2012, 11:43 AM
If we end up taking 4 pacers then we'll end up selecting Shahadat, Rubel, Shafiul, and Nazmul. If we end up taking 3 pacers then we'll most probably leave out Nazmul.
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AsifTheManRahman
October 23, 2012, 11:55 AM
The only way our pacers are going to end up with good figures in Tests is by continuously bowling down the leg side. Yeah baby, make the batsmen fight for their runs. Eibar dekhi kon Mokhles e Shafiul re thekay.

Nadim
October 23, 2012, 12:08 PM
The only way our pacers are going to end up with good figures in Tests is by continuously bowling down the leg side. Yeah baby, make the batsmen fight for their runs. Eibar dekhi kon Mokhles e Shafiul re thekay.

kintu dada mushy to leg side er bowl gula laf diye pabe na, tokhon to pottek bole 4 hobe. Er cheye ja ache tai bhalo ;)

AsifTheManRahman
October 23, 2012, 12:10 PM
All fielders go to leg slip. Amra body line bowling korte na pari, ontoto pacha line bowling to parbo. Razzak mamu parle Shafiul parbe na keno?

Nadim
October 23, 2012, 12:20 PM
Tokhon to abar amago player ra ball er dige na taikiye pachar dike takiye thakbe...

SS
October 23, 2012, 12:31 PM
Just building on Gowza's post. Dolar Mahmud has 142 FC wickets with average of 24. Kazi Kamrul Islam 120 FC wickets at an average of 26. Abu Jayed 49 wickets, average of 20. Mahbubul Alam 133 wickets, average of 25. Sajidul Islam 125 wickets, average of 28.

Versus

Shahadat Hossain 147 wickets, average of 40. Rubel Hossain 41 wickets, average 61. Shafiul Islam 42 wickets, average of 37. Nazmul Hossain 71 wickets, average of 29. Of course the NT bowlers statistics will be a little messed up because they got a hammering in test cricket. But clearly the wickets are not there.

So once again how can we expect inexperienced FC cricketers to be successful in international cricket?

thanks for the status...as we all agree ...even these notable picnic cricket wicket takers dominating picnic season they fail to perform when it matters...how long have we been seeing this trend and why BCB not improving them I am not sure. Some BC members who are very knowledgable about pace bowling probably can shed some light on this but it's been alarming to see if only got One Mash in decade and Rubel is in the pipeline but there is nobody else improving besides just heard U19 bowler Taskin. What on earthe we are doing with the above mentioned pacers (Dolar, Kamrul, Abu Junayed, Subashish, Robin, I doubt Sajidul is still playing gota check it) and on the other hand (national team players like Shahadt, Nazmul, Shafiul). It's so sad to see Rasel went downhill along with Talha and other old recruits and probables for the national side. There has to be something wrong that we are doing to preserve our pace assets.

Nadim
October 23, 2012, 12:51 PM
As expected spinners rule round 1. Shahadat was probably one of the better pace bowlers. Good to see Taskin amongst wickets

You also got to look at numbers of overs bowled by pacers compare to spinners.

Number of overs bowled by pacers in round 1(all 4 game):

435 overs, picked up 42 wicket. SO the SR is: (435*6)/42=62.1


Now lets have a look at numbers of overs bowled by spinners:

771 overs(nearly twice as many as pacers), picked up 74 wickets. So the SR is: (7771*6)/74=62.5


As you can see the number(SR) is very much identical. However pacers tend to give way more runs than spinners, hence they get to bowl less but we should also give fair amount chance to seamers too. Only that way our pipeline can get stronger and longer...

kalpurush
October 23, 2012, 12:57 PM
Good stat Nadstar! Rabeed bbhai er job ta khaower ichchha achhey naki?;)

Ian Pont
October 23, 2012, 01:14 PM
Guys, you will not build a pace pipeline until a coach helps build one, the bowlers are trained to bowl correctly and the mindset in developed to become quick.

Anything else is simply an excuse.

The truth is, a pacer hunt is just a hunt, not a development programme. A national coach only works with national players - and only when he has them to work with.

If you never work on improving an F1 car, you shouldn't wonder why it keeps losing races.

jeesh
October 24, 2012, 12:35 AM
You also got to look at numbers of overs bowled by pacers compare to spinners.

Number of overs bowled by pacers in round 1(all 4 game):

435 overs, picked up 42 wicket. SO the SR is: (435*6)/42=62.1


Now lets have a look at numbers of overs bowled by spinners:

771 overs(nearly twice as many as pacers), picked up 74 wickets. So the SR is: (7771*6)/74=62.5


As you can see the number(SR) is very much identical. However pacers tend to give way more runs than spinners, hence they get to bowl less but we should also give fair amount chance to seamers too. Only that way our pipeline can get stronger and longer...

Well put. Thats where having seam friendly tracks will help. Captains must have the courage to give more overs to pace bowlers.

firstlane
October 24, 2012, 12:51 AM
The only way our pacers are going to end up with good figures in Tests is by continuously bowling down the leg side. Yeah baby, make the batsmen fight for their runs. Eibar dekhi kon Mokhles e Shafiul re thekay.

chawata ektu beshi hoia gelo na dada? prottekta ball leg e rakhte hoile kotota control aar concentration dorkar chinta kore dekhsen?

Sohel
October 30, 2012, 10:45 PM
It's time we develop Nazza! as our own Flintoff 2.0 (Zia is already our Flintoff 1.0). He has raw pace, wicked swing in every direction and is extremely accurate. Add tiger-like brutal aggression and predatory instincts tempered by genius level bowling intelligence, and you're looking at Tait-Holding-Steyn-Akram-McGrath rolled into a single, 5'-6" package. Just as footwork is irrelevant for Nazza! when he bats, height is irrelevant when he plays chin-music with his 155KMPH bouncers.

Nadim
November 2, 2012, 05:05 PM
We don't need pace pipeline. Shahadat ekai eksho:D
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WarWolf
November 4, 2012, 04:25 AM
Where is Al Amin Hossain? I don't see him playing for any team in the NCL. What happened to him?

al Furqaan
November 4, 2012, 06:59 AM
He played first round for Khulna, bowled very overs and I think he may have taken a wicket or failed to take a wicket. Got benched this round, don't know why. Probably to make room for Shakib.

Shaun petr
November 4, 2012, 07:28 AM
He played first round for Khulna, bowled very overs and I think he may have taken a wicket or failed to take a wicket. Got benched this round, don't know why. Probably to make room for Shakib.

another step son.....Dhurrr r vallagena:mad::mad::mad:

shuziburo
November 6, 2012, 12:18 PM
What is pipeline? And, what is pace?

WarWolf
November 7, 2012, 05:44 AM
Coach
Did you have the chance to watch Al Amin Hossain in action in real life? What's your comment on him?

WarWolf
November 13, 2012, 12:20 AM
Anyone has any video of Al Amin bowling?

al Furqaan
November 13, 2012, 12:28 AM
wow Shamim's debut positive jinx???

WarWolf
November 13, 2012, 12:40 AM
I have been asking about Al Amin because of his FC stats. 40 wickets in 10 FC matches at an average of 16.95 and SR of 34.5 is very very good in any standard. Taking wickets is a habit and this boy also seems to have this habit just like Shohag Gazi.

He didn't play in last 2 rounds of NCL. Has he been with the team as a practice bowler? Or injured?

BrianLara7
November 13, 2012, 03:00 AM
Shahadat is among the worst test bowlers to play over 15/20 tests and Rubel is going to take over soon with his Bradmanesque average of 84 in 12 tests. These are beyond pathetic stats.

firstlane
November 13, 2012, 07:05 AM
ei hosse amader pace pipeline er obostha- http://i.imgur.com/S9Trf.jpg

simon
November 13, 2012, 07:15 AM
the squad for the 2nd test is not announced yet right?
Any chance of Taskin or Stepson to step in?

Gowza
November 13, 2012, 07:24 AM
Taskin I reckon needs mire experience before being called up, nazmul, shafiul, al Amin, sajidul or Abu jayed should probably be called up.

al Furqaan
November 13, 2012, 07:28 AM
Yeah too early for Taskin...I'd wait till after this NCL season. I'd put the depth chart at Nazmul > Shafiul > Al Amin > Sajidul > Talha as of right now.

kumar89
November 13, 2012, 09:07 AM
Sylhet are building good Pace Bowlers: Nazmul, Abul, Jayed and Inshallah more on the way.

BrianLara7
November 13, 2012, 01:16 PM
Does anyone know why BCB has decided that Nazmul does not exist? This guy is our best potential test pacer... I mean wtf are they thinking selecting Rubel (fc avg 60) ahead of someone with avg of 27? Maybe he has pissed someone at BCB off

BANFAN
November 13, 2012, 03:24 PM
Does anyone know why BCB has decided that Nazmul does not exist? This guy is our best potential test pacer... I mean wtf are they thinking selecting Rubel (fc avg 60) ahead of someone with avg of 27? Maybe he has pissed someone at BCB off

Eto bisheshon lagaien na....shob e lau ar kodu... Emon Kono ahamori pacer shey na....

Nadim
November 13, 2012, 03:46 PM
Shall we throw Taskin in the fire? We seems to have no option...:(

Jodi laiga jay!!!
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Holden
November 13, 2012, 04:24 PM
Eto bisheshon lagaien na....shob e lau ar kodu... Emon Kono ahamori pacer shey na....

Nazmul Hossain may not have pace but he isn't that much slower than Shahadat but he has much more control, and with the new ball he is capable of taking wickets and providing pressure by not giving easy runs to help his bowling partner, just look at the last test match he played:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...ch/538073.html

his match figures were:

29 Overs, 6 Maidens, 80 Run, 3 Wickets, 2.75 Economy, 26.6 Ave, 58.0 SR

All 3 wickets were with the new ball. Here is the commentary from cricinfo of those wickets: http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...iew=commentary

A bowling change, Nazmul Hossain will bowl now.
4.1
Nazmul Hossain to Mohammad Hafeez, OUT, gets a wicket off his first ball in Test cricket in seven years, the faintest of nicks to the keeper, good length outside off, just a hint of away movement, Hafeez got forward and played at it and edged it to the keeper
Mohammad Hafeez c †Mushfiqur Rahim b Nazmul Hossain 14 (22m 17b 3x4 0x6) SR: 82.35

His first ball after a 7 year gap from Test cricket produces a wicket!

83.1
Nazmul Hossain to Taufeeq Umar, no run, beaten outside off. Nazmul nips this one away from Umar off the seam - this looks like it could be a really good spell. Umar was sucked into driving into the off side, but the ball did too much for him.
83.2
Nazmul Hossain to Taufeeq Umar, no run, keeps it outside off, Umar leaves.
83.3
Nazmul Hossain to Taufeeq Umar, OUT, edged, and taken! Well bowled Nazmul, he's worked Umar over with his relentlessness. A spark of excellence this from Bangladesh. Pitched well up on middle and off, once again lands on the threadwork and angles across sharply. Umar was forward and had to play at it. He got a low outside edge that shot across towards second slip, who held on at shin height. Very well taken.
Taufeeq Umar c Shahriar Nafees b Nazmul Hossain 130 (361m 256b 16x4 0x6) SR: 50.78

Another wicket this time with the second new ball, see how he makes the Pakistani batsmen play and miss.

6.2
Nazmul Hossain to Taufeeq Umar, OUT, a wicket! Taufeeq was looking to up the tempo as Pakistan race against the light, he charges out and miscues an attempted big hit to midwicket, Taufeeq's stay ends early, the bat turns in his hand as he plays that shot, that stroke was prompted by a string of 24 dot balls

Another wicket in the second innings with the new ball.

All these were wickets were genuine batsmen not tail-enders which makes his performance even more impressive.

BrianLara7
November 13, 2012, 04:32 PM
Eto bisheshon lagaien na....shob e lau ar kodu... Emon Kono ahamori pacer shey na....

Did I say he is Steyn or Pattinson? No, but his first class stats show he is far better than likes of Rubel and Shahadat

AsifTheManRahman
November 13, 2012, 04:53 PM
Our pace pipeline is worse than Guatemala's. Lojja lage erokom pace attack niye Test match khelte.

Zeeshan
November 13, 2012, 05:08 PM
BC'r shobcheye vocal bekti Asifthemanobrahman jodi hotasha kore, tahole amader ki hobe!?!!? Amra to ratarati ulyett, ispoforth pabo na, pabo? lily tily hote onek deri ache bhaijan

Ajfar
November 13, 2012, 05:21 PM
I would like to see one reporter ask our selector's why Nazmul gets ignored over and over again. It's one thing if it's for one series or two, but this has been going for over a year now. Didn't Nazmul play in the last test series? I'm pretty sure he didn't bowl as bad as SRK.

AsifTheManRahman
November 13, 2012, 05:31 PM
I would like to see one reporter ask our selector's why Nazmul gets ignored over and over again. It's one thing if it's for one series or two, but this has been going for over a year now. Didn't Nazmul play in the last test series? I'm pretty sure he didn't bowl as bad as SRK.
He took three top order Pakistani wickets in the last Test we played. After that, he joked that if he has to wait another 7 years to play his next Test, his career may as well be over.

al Furqaan
November 13, 2012, 07:01 PM
Shall we throw Taskin in the fire? We seems to have no option...:(

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Baptism by fire is definitely the way to go for BD. Worked with Tamim, Shakib, Nasir. We don't have any bowler examples though (except Shakib!). I think Anamul should probably have debuted last year instead of persisting with losers like Imrul, and limited talents like Ash, Junaid, SN, Rock.

But I'm not sure we need Taskin immediately in the sense that Nazmul and Shafiul can do much better than the two Hossains who seem to compete who can who have the most expensive spell of bowling, concede the most boundaries, and bowl the most no balls. Shafiul may be just as harmless as Rubel and Shahadat, but he at least will keep it tight more often than not. That will automatically extend the match by at least half a session, which means thats half a session less we have to bat to theoretically draw a match.

I think Taskin should play out this NCL season, and should he do decently, bring him in for the SL tests. We don't have many other options.

Gowza
November 13, 2012, 07:15 PM
Well lets see how al amin, abu jayed, sajidul, alauddin and alike do this NCL season, these are currently the ones that should be next in line to step into national colours.

Sohel
November 13, 2012, 08:49 PM
My only concern about bringing Taskin into the senior side at this age is centered around overuse and subsequent injury. That's what happened to Talha and Mashrafe.

oronnya
November 13, 2012, 09:19 PM
oh pace pipeline ami bhablam Sewerage line thread :-|

Gowza
November 13, 2012, 10:08 PM
My only concern about bringing Taskin into the senior side at this age is centered around overuse and subsequent injury. That's what happened to Talha and Mashrafe.

also seen with the current aussie pace pack with cummins and pattinson constantly injured.

Isnaad
November 13, 2012, 11:00 PM
I would like to see one reporter ask our selector's why Nazmul gets ignored over and over again. It's one thing if it's for one series or two, but this has been going for over a year now. Didn't Nazmul play in the last test series? I'm pretty sure he didn't bowl as bad as SRK.

Bebostha kortesi daran.

al Furqaan
November 13, 2012, 11:36 PM
My only concern about bringing Taskin into the senior side at this age is centered around overuse and subsequent injury. That's what happened to Talha and Mashrafe.

Well clearly he's not a shorter version bowler...got tonked quite a bit at the U19 world cup. So if our selectors play him for every mickey-mouse T20 series v ZIM, yes, but we don't play enough tests for him to get injured. He should only be played in Tests. Our ODI seam attack is at least decent.

Gowza
November 19, 2012, 06:52 AM
so so far in this years NCL al amin hasn't been nearly as effective as he was last season. abu jayed has only played one match whic i don't understand, but sajidul islam has done pretty well so far this season.

WarWolf
November 19, 2012, 07:38 AM
so so far in this years NCL al amin hasn't been nearly as effective as he was last season. abu jayed has only played one match whic i don't understand, but sajidul islam has done pretty well so far this season.
Al Amin bowled 23 overs in this match and failed to claim a single wicket. I have been having very high hopes for him, still having it.

But it's not good to see him having an ordinary season.

Tiger444
November 19, 2012, 09:37 AM
Al Amin bowled 23 overs in this match and failed to claim a single wicket. I have been having very high hopes for him, still having it.

But it's not good to see him having an ordinary season.

Bhai have you watched Al-Amin in person? I watched him in the BPL and I have to say that he's got some ability but nothing really special. He seemed to be as raw as Abul in my opinion. He seems to rely more on accuracy because he's not the paciest bowler but yet seemed pretty inaccurate.

WarWolf
November 19, 2012, 09:41 AM
Bhai have you watched Al-Amin in person? I watched him in the BPL and I have to say that he's got some ability but nothing really special. He seemed to be as raw as Abul in my opinion. He seems to rely more on accuracy because he's not the paciest bowler but yet seemed pretty inaccurate.
That's really a bad news to me and a lot of other fans. He got 40 wickets in 10 FC matches he played before this season. That suggested me that he definitely got something special in him. That's really bad luck if your judgement about him is true.

Tiger444
November 19, 2012, 09:48 AM
That's really a bad news to me and a lot of other fans. He got 40 wickets in 10 FC matches he played before this season. That suggested me that he definitely got something special in him. That's really bad luck if your judgement about him is true.

He has a little bit of an unorthodox action so I'm guessing here, but that could have also thrown the batsmen off in the 1st season but probably this season, batsmen have figured out how to play him. His pace is around 130-135 kph from what I remember which isn't bad at all but Abul and Taskin are pacier bowlers and then we have Alauddin Babu who can bowl at the same pace as Al-Amin but also is a very good prospect as a batsman.

So Al-Amin Hossain is behind some other players in terms of raw potential, in my opinion.

Crisis
November 19, 2012, 10:11 AM
Until we get rid of Shahadat , our beloved selectors will never go looking for another pacer.

I hope Gayle ramapges on Shahadat's overs and ends Shahadat's career.

EDIT: Oh wait, the selectors will then ger Abul ! :facepalm:

MyRoom
December 12, 2012, 07:24 PM
This is something we need to seriously put our focus on now because if we had a bag full of top quality pacers then Bangladesh would be easily challenging teams like England, South Africa and Australia but at this moment even though we have improved on our other areas, will still get crushed by them. We may give them a serious challenge in our own grounds now as long as the wickets provide vicious turn for our spinners but still improvements needs to be made especially on Test Cricket. Somebody needs to tell silly BCB to put their focus on their first class structure right now so we can get somewhere for once in Cricket everywhere not just at home. Create pace academies, alter some of your grounds so it provides lots of bounce and make all the grounds that don't have International status to hold matches, green, fast and bouncy so not only it encourages our fast bowlers and get more players having careers as fast bowlers but our batsman too can play dangerous paceman with ease especially short pitched bowling which we seriously struggle to deal with. Just look how both Tamim and Anamul dealt with out pace bowlers in that T20 match after their struggle against them in the other series because both of them including Mahmudullah have just gotten use to them bowling at that pace and before this series even started, they haven't even faced these sort of deliveries for a long time. Its not that they don't have the ability to play these fast bowlers but lack of playing these kind of fast bowlers at a consistent bases otherwise how else did someone like Tamim Iqbal score back to back 100s against the mighty England team in seaming faster conditions against good pace bowlers?

shuziburo
December 12, 2012, 07:37 PM
I would like to see one reporter ask our selector's why Nazmul gets ignored over and over again. It's one thing if it's for one series or two, but this has been going for over a year now. Didn't Nazmul play in the last test series? I'm pretty sure he didn't bowl as bad as SRK.

They will have some lame excuses. He bowls slow, even if takes wickets, or something like that. Then a trip to KFC or Pizza Hut.

Fazal
December 12, 2012, 09:52 PM
Pace Pipeline?

Mone hoi Pipe Fota... no pressure at all.

tanvir_nus
December 12, 2012, 09:56 PM
There is only one name that comes to mind.

jeesh
December 12, 2012, 10:26 PM
Sajidul Islam only pacer in the top 10 wicket takers of NCL. Picked up 22 wickets from 5 matches. So perhaps with a couple more matches maybe he could have taken his tally close to 30. So not a bad effort. Farhad Reza, Mohammad Sharif, Shahadat, Robiul Islam, Alauddin Babu, Kamrul Islam Rabbi, Shafiul Islam follow but all with very average records

The two quicks i was looking fwd to-Taskin Ahmed and Abu Jayed didnt exactly have a great series. Abul Hasan probably played only a couple of matches and didnt do anything that would justify his selection. But the selectors will say they got it right cos the kid scored a century.

Pipeline very poor indeed. Its so bad, it might even scare potential pacers away. We badly need that pace academy Mr. President

Tiger444
December 13, 2012, 07:49 PM
Sajidul Islam only pacer in the top 10 wicket takers of NCL. Picked up 22 wickets from 5 matches. So perhaps with a couple more matches maybe he could have taken his tally close to 30. So not a bad effort. Farhad Reza, Mohammad Sharif, Shahadat, Robiul Islam, Alauddin Babu, Kamrul Islam Rabbi, Shafiul Islam follow but all with very average records

The two quicks i was looking fwd to-Taskin Ahmed and Abu Jayed didnt exactly have a great series. Abul Hasan probably played only a couple of matches and didnt do anything that would justify his selection. But the selectors will say they got it right cos the kid scored a century.

Pipeline very poor indeed. Its so bad, it might even scare potential pacers away. We badly need that pace academy Mr. President

Our pacers have the raw ability. It's just the lack of discipline which hurts them in the end. As you said, we desperately need a pace academy or else we'll continue to get the same results.

shuziburo
December 13, 2012, 08:12 PM
Sajidul Islam only pacer in the top 10 wicket takers of NCL. Picked up 22 wickets from 5 matches. So perhaps with a couple more matches maybe he could have taken his tally close to 30. So not a bad effort. Farhad Reza, Mohammad Sharif, Shahadat, Robiul Islam, Alauddin Babu, Kamrul Islam Rabbi, Shafiul Islam follow but all with very average records

The two quicks i was looking fwd to-Taskin Ahmed and Abu Jayed didnt exactly have a great series. Abul Hasan probably played only a couple of matches and didnt do anything that would justify his selection. But the selectors will say they got it right cos the kid scored a century.

Pipeline very poor indeed. Its so bad, it might even scare potential pacers away. We badly need that pace academy Mr. President

Whatever they say, Abul Hasan did not do too well with the ball. That's why he was selected. Wasn't he?

I agree that we need a pace academy. But, who will bell the cat? Ian Pont is planning a part-time clinic. That would help, but we also need a full-time academy. Bowlers like Rubel has the raw ability. It has to be harnessed.

jeesh
December 14, 2012, 01:17 AM
Abul Hasan is actually not ready for any format of the game. But if you consider his century, the story changes. He could be that pace bowling all rounder we have always been looking for. He could be to us what Thisira Perera does for Sri Lanka. Even if he fails with the ball, at least he can clobber at the death. Still long way to go, but he has shown he can play the role

M.H.Rubel
December 14, 2012, 04:54 AM
In last B P L, I followed Al Amin. He have a good control on his L L. Bowls around 130. I like this guy. I hope he ll do good in short format.

shuziburo
December 14, 2012, 11:09 AM
Abul Hasan is actually not ready for any format of the game. But if you consider his century, the story changes. He could be that pace bowling all rounder we have always been looking for. He could be to us what Thisira Perera does for Sri Lanka. Even if he fails with the ball, at least he can clobber at the death. Still long way to go, but he has shown he can play the role

If he can bowl at least like an average pacer, his value to the team can be tremendous. He should talk to Darun Shami. This man does not have much in his bowling, but generally does not get hit and even gets wickets. (Mash is another valuable resource.)

Fazal
December 14, 2012, 11:19 AM
Abul may not be ready as a TEST bowler, but I see but bright future in him.

Actually I was plesantly happy with his 1st ODI bowling. And batting? I don't believe its a purel one time jhore bok pore type innings... I saw promise in his batting... he was indded a batsman in his early career... may be he will turn out to be a good bowling all rounder in all format of the game.

While people reducule Abul's bowling... I see bright future in him... only thing we all agree he may not be ready yet.

jeesh
December 15, 2012, 12:11 AM
Abul has a nice action which allows him to generate some extra pace. He looks quite strong as well, which will enable him to hit the deck hard. Right now he needs to focus on the basics, how to keep it tight, bowl line and length etc.

He can definitely pick up a lot from Mashrafee. If anyone noticed Mashrafee's bowling closely you ll see he has really worked on his accuracy. He is always bowling in the channel. Whether he is bowling full or short, he is always keeping the line right. If he is bowling a little wide of off stump his length is so good, it gets a little difficult to cut. Another big difference between Mashrafee and the rest- Mashrafee tries to hit the seam every delivery. This allows him to get the extra bounce and movement. Sth that really troubled Chris Gayle.

Tiger444
December 16, 2012, 05:55 PM
Abul has a nice action which allows him to generate some extra pace. He looks quite strong as well, which will enable him to hit the deck hard. Right now he needs to focus on the basics, how to keep it tight, bowl line and length etc.

He can definitely pick up a lot from Mashrafee. If anyone noticed Mashrafee's bowling closely you ll see he has really worked on his accuracy. He is always bowling in the channel. Whether he is bowling full or short, he is always keeping the line right. If he is bowling a little wide of off stump his length is so good, it gets a little difficult to cut. Another big difference between Mashrafee and the rest- Mashrafee tries to hit the seam every delivery. This allows him to get the extra bounce and movement. Sth that really troubled Chris Gayle.

That's how I feel about Abul as well. People may not see much in him yet but I feel he's definitely a keeper. 1 thing we lack is pacers with good physique and this is where Abul has the advantage. If he can improve on his line and length, he can be a good pacer at this level. It also helps that he's a more than capable batsman.

Gowza
December 16, 2012, 07:01 PM
That's how I feel about Abul as well. People may not see much in him yet but I feel he's definitely a keeper. 1 thing we lack is pacers with good physique and this is where Abul has the advantage. If he can improve on his line and length, he can be a good pacer at this level. It also helps that he's a more than capable batsman.

potential to be a handy lower order batsman and as said good potential with the ball so he's a good prospect.

jeesh
December 16, 2012, 11:10 PM
Both Shohag and Abul can really strengthen our ODI and T20 teams. If both work on their batting (And provided their bowling keeps on improving) we have two solid hitters at 8 and 9. Mashrafee coming at 10 provides a lot of depth.

al-Sagar
December 16, 2012, 11:36 PM
amader pace pipline faitta gese .....

need some serious renovation work

RazabQ
December 17, 2012, 11:44 PM
Meanwhile Australia's wicket-keeper is bowling at 132KPH against Sri Lanka ... SMH

One World
December 17, 2012, 11:51 PM
Well these are called Abul syndrome, when a pacer of a minnow test nation makes third fastest hundred in history of test what else left to do for a wicket-keeper of an elite team to make his mark?

shakibrulz
December 18, 2012, 01:10 AM
Meanwhile Australia's wicket-keeper is bowling at 132KPH against Sri Lanka ... SMH
Haha, yep. MSD can bowl quick than many of the Indian 'pacers' too. But pace is least of your worries. Rubel has pace though tbf, Shafi ain't bad either. Control and variations though, is quite average. I think both of them has potential in tests.

Tiger Manc
December 18, 2012, 04:22 AM
I don't really follow Sri Lanka cricket that much, but I was looking at videos of their pace attack and they looked a lot slower than Bangladeshi's. Welegedera, Kulasekera and Perera were bowling around 125-130kph. They've had much better success than our bowlers, despite being slower. Perera averages 24 with the ball. Why do Sri Lanka bowlers have more success, despite being slower? Can someone shed some light on that?

BengaliPagol
December 18, 2012, 04:49 AM
Kulesekera is quite tight with his line and length. Welegedera is quite a wayward bowler imo but somehow he has a knack of picking up wickets by varying line. I dont know how the Aussies didnt dismantle the bowling lineup. Conditions at Hobart did favour the bowler though.

The reason why Sri Lanka's pace attack isnt as bad as BD's pace attack is simply due to length and length. Bangladesh arent consistent enough but as you could tell with SL's pace attack they either tried bowling on the offside region or either a stump to stump line. They rarely get their length wrong. BD have a knack of bowling short consistently.

If Rubel played in Aussie conditions i think he would be quite successful.

jeesh
December 18, 2012, 10:54 AM
BengaliPagol on the dot regarding Sri Lanka's pace bowlers accuracy. There is another thing they have our bowlers lack-intelligence. Guys like Thisira Perera, Kulasekera, Mathews are very good in reading the batsmen, what they will do next. They can decipher the batsman strengths and weaknesses very quickly, and bowl according to that. Chaminda Vaas was the same. Malinga in addition to being very astute is also blessed with pace and killer instinct.

I really dont think Rubel, Shahadat etc will make any difference in Aussie conditions. You cant afford to be wayward if your pace is 130-140. It should be all about discipline, bowling in the right channels, creating pressure, being consistent etc. Of course if you can bowl at 145, you can get away with bowling short and wide once in a while. Rubel etc have a lot to learn. The raw potential is there, but a lot of work needs to be done. Champaka Ramanayake got a lot of stick for not living up to his expectation. But at least guys like Rubel were improving when he was around. Now its going in the reverse direction

Sohel
December 18, 2012, 01:57 PM
Amago abar "pes" ar hei "pes-er" abar "pipeline" :lol:

BengaliPagol
December 19, 2012, 03:14 AM
But i think the ingredient the Lankans are missing in terms of their pace attack is a 140k+ bowler.

jeesh
December 19, 2012, 03:37 AM
Well they have Malinga in the shorter formats. Despite all his injuries and trouble he can still bowl over 140 kph with ease. Not like the Indian bowlers who start at 140+ and settle at 130-135. Yes they could do with quick bowler for the longer format.

But worldwide there seems to be a dearth of genuine quicks atm. Pakistan surprisingly doesnt have an express bowler. South Africa and Australian have fast bowlers, but who are not exactly in the Shoaib Akhter, Brett Lee, Shaun Tait mold. West Indies, England, New Zealand, none of them have someone who can bang it in over 145.

I still remember Mashrafe bowling against Zimbabwe when he started off. He was pounding it in between 140-145 kph. Zimbabwean batsmen really didnt know what hit them. They were getting beaten by bounce, pace. The ball was also hitting them on their thigh, leg causing discomfort. I also vaguely remember Shahadat had the same impact in the Under 19 WC. He was used as the third seamer, and he was really harassing batsmen with his bounce and pace. This type of bowling will get the respect of the best of batsmen. We could really do with someone like that.

Sohel
December 19, 2012, 04:13 AM
I've seen Nuwan Kulasekara consistently hit 140 on many occasions in all formats. His range, not counting slower deliveries, is between 135-140. I've also seen him hit up to 143 on rarer occasions. That, coupled with his aggression, accuracy and the ability to swing the ball makes him a top fast-medium pacer in my opinion. He's more than capable of troubling any batsman on his day.

But they could use more like him. Fernando and Zoysa, notoriously inaccurate, were fast-mediums who simply couldn't perform consistently at the highest level.

Kohli_Sox
December 19, 2012, 07:50 AM
Rarely seen Kulasekara bowling over 135 KPH. He is mostly at 130 range. He is a passenger in Test at best. He is still without a five-for; not sure how anyone can rate him esp in Tests. Sorry for irrelevant post here.

SS
December 19, 2012, 09:35 AM
Well they have Malinga in the shorter formats. Despite all his injuries and trouble he can still bowl over 140 kph with ease. Not like the Indian bowlers who start at 140+ and settle at 130-135. Yes they could do with quick bowler for the longer format.

But worldwide there seems to be a dearth of genuine quicks atm. Pakistan surprisingly doesnt have an express bowler. South Africa and Australian have fast bowlers, but who are not exactly in the Shoaib Akhter, Brett Lee, Shaun Tait mold. West Indies, England, New Zealand, none of them have someone who can bang it in over 145.

I still remember Mashrafe bowling against Zimbabwe when he started off. He was pounding it in between 140-145 kph. Zimbabwean batsmen really didnt know what hit them. They were getting beaten by bounce, pace. The ball was also hitting them on their thigh, leg causing discomfort. I also vaguely remember Shahadat had the same impact in the Under 19 WC. He was used as the third seamer, and he was really harassing batsmen with his bounce and pace. This type of bowling will get the respect of the best of batsmen. We could really do with someone like that.

Our pacers short term burst from U19 to early twenties and failing to retain the stamina and other criteria of pace bowling will always be a concern till so many things are fixed to nurture a pace bowler. Sadly, nothing is happening and I see the trend will continue with the Rubel, Shafiul and now the pipeline ones Taskin, Abul and others. Wish Mashrafee does something once he retires to revive his next generations. Unfortunately the board and adminstrators' lack of qualification does not give any hope besides individual player's contribution like I mentioned about Mash. He can do something like Pilot, Imrul and Rajin doing.

Fazal
December 19, 2012, 11:28 AM
>> Our pacers short term burst from U19 to early twenties and failing to retain the stamina

Mone hoi Biriani effect

Dhakablues
December 19, 2012, 07:38 PM
Pace bowlers are not produced in factories. And even the last factory in Pakistan shut down few years ago!!
India with all their resources, couldnt yet come up with someone who can replace Zahir Khan and even Zahir was nowhere close to Kapil Dev. After the Shoaib Akhter, Sami, Gul, Pakistan is settling with mediocre Aizaz Cheema or Junaid and their ace bowler is actually their spinner.

So, if Bangladesh cannot come up with the next Mashrafee or Syed Rasel, its not a surprise because our domestic league doesnt allow pacers to grow and we don't have any real academy for pace bowlers. When a all muscle missing Shafiul, Nazmul is in our pipleline.. you might as well call the factory closed!!

tanvir_nus
December 19, 2012, 07:57 PM
There is one bowler I feel that is going to take the world by storm. But it is very important that the u-19 bowlers are not thrown to international cricket early at their age. There are many reasons for this. An u-19 bowler is still learning, he might have raw talent, raw pace but he is still learning about swing, he is still learning about control and other things. Once he is catapulted into the big league, quite naturally they will be scared to try and test out new things and their talent is destroyed as they capabilities are not fully nurtured and allowed to grow. There is Taskin Ahmed who I feel is going to be even better than Mashrafe. But my plea to the selectors is, do not keep destroying such talents. Allow them to play longer at leagues. Set a minimum required age for a fast bowler to play national team.

Nadim
December 20, 2012, 11:55 AM
What pipeline? to hve a pipeline, you need to "polish" it every now and than. we don't even do that and we expect us to have a strong pipe--line?

We should open a thread for SLA pipeline, coz that was our past, present and will be our future. so stop wasting time bowling fast and working hard for it. start bowling SLA and you will earn alot in life and will get a team in BPl too.

Outside the NAT team, apart from Al Amin(just), Alauddin Babu, Mahbubul Alam and SRK none of the pacers got a team in the bpl.

1)Taskin
2) Talha
3) Sajedul
4) Dollar
5) Kazi Kamrul
6) Kamrul Rabbi
7) Abu Jayed
8) D. Sabbir
...and many more!!!!


Now compare that with bunch of unknown SLA'er, they just didn't got a team, but also went for plenty of $$$$$. Whereas, nobody even bothered to bid of 10k for any of the pacers outside the nats team:facepalm:

Nadim
December 20, 2012, 11:58 AM
What pipeline? to hve a pipeline, you need to "polish" it every now and than. we don't even do that and we expect us to have a strong pipe--line?

We should open a thread for SLA pipeline, coz that was our past, present and will be our future. so stop wasting time bowling fast and working hard for it. start bowling SLA and you will earn alot in life and will get a team in BPl too.

Outside the NAT team, apart from Al Amin(just), Alauddin Babu, Mahbubul Alam and SRK none of the pacers got a team in the bpl.


Missed out players:
1)Taskin
2) Talha
3) Sajedul
4) Dollar
5) Kazi Kamrul
6) Kamrul Rabbi
7) Abu Jayed
8) D. Sabbir
...and many more!!!!


Now compare that with bunch of unknown SLA'er, they just didn't got a team, but also went for plenty of $$$$$. Whereas, nobody even bothered to bid of 10k for any of the pacers outside the nats team:facepalm:

Rifat_02
December 20, 2012, 12:33 PM
What pipeline? to hve a pipeline, you need to "polish" it every now and than. we don't even do that and we expect us to have a strong pipe--line?

We should open a thread for SLA pipeline, coz that was our past, present and will be our future. so stop wasting time bowling fast and working hard for it. start bowling SLA and you will earn alot in life and will get a team in BPl too.

Outside the NAT team, apart from Al Amin(just), Alauddin Babu, Mahbubul Alam and SRK none of the pacers got a team in the bpl.


Missed out players:
1)Taskin
2) Talha
3) Sajedul
4) Dollar
5) Kazi Kamrul
6) Kamrul Rabbi
7) Abu Jayed
8) D. Sabbir
...and many more!!!!


Now compare that with bunch of unknown SLA'er, they just didn't got a team, but also went for plenty of $$$$$. Whereas, nobody even bothered to bid of 10k for any of the pacers outside the nats team:facepalm:

Spot on, this sums up why our pace pipeline is one of the worst in the world even considering those teams below us. The way they got ignored by BPL teams is simply unacceptable and not good for the future of BD at all :down:

Dhakablues
December 20, 2012, 12:51 PM
When Shahadat Hossain gets only 20,000, Dollar gets 10,000 but Forhad Hossain gets 42,000, Shohag Gazi gets 165,000,,, that tells the story on why pace bowlers will be always scarce for us.

Mashrafee is exceptional but other than him and a peculiarly drawn Abul Hasan Raju, no pace bowlers made any news.... I am afraid if we keep on doing this, even BPL quality will suffer and it will not improve our pace department... there is financial incentive at the national level or at the BPL level to pursue the pace career; Its a shame that a player like Shahadat gets only $20,000 when he is still part of the national pool of players.

M.H.Rubel
December 20, 2012, 01:21 PM
When Shahadat Hossain gets only 20,000, Dollar gets 10,000 but Forhad Hossain gets 42,000, Shohag Gazi gets 165,000,,, that tells the story on why pace bowlers will be always scarce for us.

Mashrafee is exceptional but other than him and a peculiarly drawn Abul Hasan Raju, no pace bowlers made any news.... I am afraid if we keep on doing this, even BPL quality will suffer and it will not improve our pace department... there is financial incentive at the national level or at the BPL level to pursue the pace career; Its a shame that a player like Shahadat gets only $20,000 when he is still part of the national pool of players.

We need a solution for us. No way but to make pace friendly wickets.

Fazal
December 20, 2012, 01:39 PM
I see BPL is the consumer of the stuff that is comming out from the pipe, i.e. its at the end of the pipeline.

A consumer (in this case BPL) will not accept bad or unfininshed product or the product that will not give value that they are getting now (not for future) for the price they are paying. if they are not ahppy with the product comming out of the pipeline, they will go for other product (spinners, military Fb with batting power, foreign FBs).

Therefore the problem is not at this end of the pipeline, the problem is in the pipeline or at the begining of the pipeline (bad raw material). Yes good FB pitch can create the demand of FBs, but we need to go further to solve the root cause of the problem which may be failing to pick the right raw FB talent and failing to develop them in the pipeline.

Also please keep in mind, the type of player in demand for T20 is different than type of players that is needed for ODi or TeST.... unless you are very good and economical and establsihed as a specialized FB, you will be ignored in T20 format by franchised team management, where not BCB, but team owner/management select the team.

Dhakablues
December 20, 2012, 04:55 PM
Agreed with Fazal that it isnt BPLs fault. The Franchises are there to win the trophy not there for charity reasons. But one thing the BPL team owners probably are banking on are the foreign pacers. Last time it was Sohail Tanvir who took most of the wickets and it was Azhar Mahmood who pretty much pulled Dhaka Gladiators.. So pacers do have a role to play at Mirpur, Khulna and Chittagong as much as we all keep thinking that our pitch don't play pacers well.

Nevertheless, we have to rely on our McKinnes on the Academy side or a sudden NCL discovery to still instill some belief in the next young pacers mind that there are some 'bhat' for pacers in Bangladesh, even if it isnt as Biriyani like for the Spinners!! :)

BengaliPagol
December 20, 2012, 05:32 PM
^but they also ignored foreign pacers such as Dirk Nannes and Shaun Tait...

Tiger444
December 21, 2012, 03:38 AM
^but they also ignored foreign pacers such as Dirk Nannes and Shaun Tait...

It's because they won't be available for many matches.

Hamlafan
December 21, 2012, 04:40 AM
Talha Zubair not playing BPL was bit suprised.

jeesh
January 26, 2013, 10:51 PM
As expected our pace bowlers are having no impact in BPL. Forhad Reza is the leading Bangladeshi pace bowler with 5 wickets from 5 matches which is nothing special any way.

But rather surprising how Shapoor Zadran has done so well. He's not quicker than our bowlers, nor is he more skillful. His attitude and aggressive approach makes a huge difference. Sth for Shahadat to learn?

shuziburo
January 29, 2013, 11:51 AM
Our bowlers should watch Fidel's spell today. An amazing display of controlled aggression.

Tiger444
January 29, 2013, 01:04 PM
Abul has a pretty good average in the BPL although his econ rate's pretty high. Shafiul's showing impressive consistency in all domestic competitions. Farhad Reza has been decent as well, much better showing after being a flop in the last BPL. My main worry is Rubel, he's been really struggling since his comeback from injury. Overall our pace situation is far from ideal but we have to keep working with these pacers and hope they yield some decent results. We don't need them to be Steyn or Morkel, but at least support our spinners. This is what our pacers did pretty well in the WI series and it was enough to beat them.

Spiderman
January 29, 2013, 06:37 PM
Our pacers are okay but nothing special. Our pacers at this moment are fine in limited overs, their averages speak for themselves and are good but its Test Cricket where our pacers struggle and just can't seem to get 3-5 wickets per innings therefore averaging well over 50 which is poor.

I have never seen our pace bowlers in Test Cricket aiming for the batsman body, hitting the seam consistently or whatever the basics of what a fast bowler should know and do. Whether we like it or not, we have to make do with the fast bowlers we currently have and should consider ourselves lucky that are not that bad but okay but really, prefer to see a cluster of top quality express fast bowlers in the team but there's not much evidence that we are anywhere close to finding one.

Injuries is another major concern for our fast bowlers which is why it would be wise to rotate our bowlers so they are not picking up injuries for example, Rubel and Abul in 1st test match then 2nd test match, Rubel and Mashrafe then ODI Shafiul and Nazmul etc etc. I would also like to see these fast bowlers of ours eating a proper diet and someone like Shafiul working on his physique so he can increase his average speed of 79mph to about 82mph.

But if we really want to sort out our pace bowling then we need to create proper fast bowling programs, academies etc and change some of our pitches so we can encourage players who want to become fast bowlers which btw isn't easy.

mij
January 29, 2013, 08:09 PM
Our bowlers should watch Fidel's spell today. An amazing display of controlled aggression.


:up: Its looks afghan fast bowler is better than ours fast bowler.

jeesh
January 29, 2013, 11:14 PM
Afghanistan has someone better than Shapoor Zadran. Someone by the name of Hamid Hassan. 6 ft 5, much quicker and more skillful. Yeah they definitely have a more potent pace attack than us.

al Furqaan
January 29, 2013, 11:23 PM
Why isn't Hamid Hasan in BPL 2. He was bought last year, but I think he was injured and didn't play.

jeesh
January 29, 2013, 11:44 PM
Is still injured i believe. Btw Afghanistan is better than us in football now. At the rate guys like Nabi and Shapoor are playing wonder when they will topple us in cricket.

al Furqaan
January 30, 2013, 07:08 AM
Is still injured i believe. Btw Afghanistan is better than us in football now. At the rate guys like Nabi and Shapoor are playing wonder when they will topple us in cricket.

Personally I don't take that as an insult any more than I would if LeBron James posterized me in my driveway.

Afghans are freakishly athletic, unlike Pakistanis, Indians, and Bangladeshis. Its only a matter of time before they equal us or even surpass us perhaps. Too bad their security situation sucks. The Irish too deserve more for their efforts than they are getting right now, despite their habit of big-mouthing ZIM and BD.

That being said, the Afghans are still quite a ways behind us in every department except perhaps pace bowling.

NoName
January 30, 2013, 11:49 AM
Not only athletic, they have the proper physique and proper diet unlike ours.

shuziburo
January 30, 2013, 01:30 PM
Not only athletic, they have the proper physique and proper diet unlike ours.

tara ki bhat khai na?

jeesh
February 1, 2013, 04:41 AM
Abul Hasan, Shafiul Islam, Forhad Reza have had their good moments this BPL. Reza for instance has been an irritating bowler, very hard to put away. Good controlled yorkers. Why cant he do this when is chosen for the NT?

HereWeGo
February 1, 2013, 05:04 AM
altho 3 overs 28 runs and 0 wickets sounds awful, but i was impressed by Abuls bowling today..... Boys got talent...

shakibrulz
February 1, 2013, 05:33 AM
Abul Hasan, Shafiul Islam, Forhad Reza have had their good moments this BPL. Reza for instance has been an irritating bowler, very hard to put away. Good controlled yorkers. Why cant he do this when is chosen for the NT?
He didn't bowl much in national team to be fair. Shafi has improved a lot.

altho 3 overs 28 runs and 0 wickets sounds awful, but i was impressed by Abuls bowling today..... Boys got talent...
His tournament RR is 9.9. And the 'talent' means nothing unless you at least perform decently - a la Ishant or even Sami. And Sami even does well in domestic cricket, while Abul hasn't.

Rabz
February 1, 2013, 05:43 AM
Raju was very unlucky not to have wicket to his name.
Someone dropped an absolute dolly of a sitter.

al Furqaan
February 1, 2013, 06:03 AM
Raju was very unlucky not to have wicket to his name.
Someone dropped an absolute dolly of a sitter.

Like that WI ODI...

I hope Taskin finally gets a game for a crap CK side!

Rabz
February 1, 2013, 06:19 AM
^^ I hope so too.
Really been looking forward to see him in action.

shakibrulz
February 1, 2013, 11:07 AM
Raju was very unlucky not to have wicket to his name.
Someone dropped an absolute dolly of a sitter.
The same is the story with Sami too - someone drops a sitter/decisions go against him etc. That doesn't excuse his crappy average.

Same here, the drop catch doesn't still account for the fact that he's still going 9+ RPO and has done nothing in first class cricket. Rubel is going along the same road too - but I'll cut him some slack for his decent ODI performances for a while.

shuziburo
February 2, 2013, 08:39 AM
Will Steyn be willing to take BD citizenship? That will solve our pace issues with one end.

mij
February 2, 2013, 04:13 PM
Will Steyn be willing to take BD citizenship? That will solve our pace issues with one end.


I am still waiting for the day when we going to have player like him, otherwise our test match will have no future.

mij
February 2, 2013, 04:14 PM
He didn't bowl much in national team to be fair. Shafi has improved a lot.


His tournament RR is 9.9. And the 'talent' means nothing unless you at least perform decently - a la Ishant or even Sami. And Sami even does well in domestic cricket, while Abul hasn't.


:up::up::up:

shakibrulz
February 3, 2013, 02:02 AM
Will Steyn be willing to take BD citizenship? That will solve our pace issues with one end.
Steyn? You could use with domestic SA pacers and it would still be an improvement.

shuziburo
February 3, 2013, 08:22 AM
Steyn? You could use with domestic SA pacers and it would still be an improvement.

I live to aim high.

ashraful1
February 3, 2013, 10:33 AM
I say we look into Mohammed Amir after his ban is over its our only hope...

shuziburo
February 3, 2013, 12:08 PM
Abul has a tendency to unravel after such dropped catches (happened against WI). Hopefully, experience will cure this. Not everyone has the iron stomach like Shakib or Nasir right from the beginning.

The same is the story with Sami too - someone drops a sitter/decisions go against him etc. That doesn't excuse his crappy average.

Same here, the drop catch doesn't still account for the fact that he's still going 9+ RPO and has done nothing in first class cricket. Rubel is going along the same road too - but I'll cut him some slack for his decent ODI performances for a while.

Eshen
February 10, 2013, 09:28 PM
What happened to Kamrul Islam Rabbi? Has he given up after seeing so many of his wickets being dropped by fielders during NCL?

Alauddin Babu has/had such nice action and physical built, I thought he would be blossoming by now.

Taskin? I hope he is not the next Talha. He needs to build up his body frame.

Gowza
February 10, 2013, 09:44 PM
What happened to Kamrul Islam Rabbi? Has he given up after seeing so many of his wickets being dropped by fielders during NCL?

Alauddin Babu has/had such nice action and physical built, I thought he would be blossoming by now.

Taskin? I hope he is not the next Talha. He needs to build up his body frame.

the first 2 are doing ok, actually alauddin even got a 6fer in the NCL, he's starting to come good with his bowling.

shakibrulz
February 12, 2013, 11:40 AM
I wonder why Abul was picked over Babu? He seems to be really decent. Bowled very well today.

Nadim
February 12, 2013, 11:41 AM
I wonder why Abul was picked over Babu? He seems to be really decent. Bowled very well today.

coz he CAN bowl FAST:goal:

shakibrulz
February 12, 2013, 11:45 AM
coz he CAN bowl FAST:goal:
:D
He isn't that quick anyways, Rubel is way quicker I'd say.

SS
February 12, 2013, 01:13 PM
I wonder why Abul was picked over Babu? He seems to be really decent. Bowled very well today.

Mama Chacha link ase naki ke jane..or hoiyto batting bhalo...amago batsmen der ja obosta hoito bhabse akta bowler jodi bat korte pare

NoName
February 12, 2013, 04:45 PM
tara ki bhat khai na?

Yeh, but not just with 'dal'.

AsifTheManRahman
February 12, 2013, 06:11 PM
Mama Chacha link ase naki ke jane..or hoiyto batting bhalo...amago batsmen der ja obosta hoito bhabse akta bowler jodi bat korte pare
Maath e giye jatio league er khela na dekhe ghore boshe KFC order korle erokom selection e hobe, er theke beshi kichu asha koiren na.

Tiger444
February 12, 2013, 10:50 PM
Always rated Babu. He seemed like a good pacer and also has very good batting ability. He should be considered since we need pacers badly.

Gowza
February 12, 2013, 10:53 PM
Babu should def be considered.

jeesh
February 13, 2013, 03:00 AM
There has been a lot of "Good" in BPL. Pace bowling as usual has been the bad and ugly. No pacer in the top 20 wicket takers. Not like we didnt expect it. But at least we got a few surprises in the batting department.

max410
February 13, 2013, 12:37 PM
bring domestic pacers from Pakistan and Afghanistan give them citizenship through marriage or whatever like Imran Tahir now he can play for South Africa .
We dont have the physique to ball fast anyways , even chaminda vaas was around 127 to 133 kph
but that does not matter .. we need consistent performer not just who is taking wickets regularly and can give breakthrough partnerships etc.
we need to use our resources properly.. even in pakistan there are slow wickets they still produce fast bowlers due to physical strength which is natural in their growth,

Nadim
February 13, 2013, 12:41 PM
Abul is our Bond! not James Bond but Shane Bond :D

Maple1900
February 13, 2013, 12:51 PM
Abul is our Bond! not James Bond but Shane Bond :D

Shane Bond or Shame Bond:)

jeesh
February 13, 2013, 10:49 PM
Intrigued with Alfonso Thomas. Such a good bowler. But if you deconstruct his game its all about simplicity and perfect execution of game plan. He's not by any means a lot quicker than our pacers. He always keeps it to a certain line and length almost with metronomic accuracy-always attacking the stumps aiming at the bells of off stump. He maintains a mean yet calm and composed attitude-never overawed by the situation. Has a good mix of slower balls, bouncers and yorkers.

Tiger Manc
April 20, 2013, 04:28 PM
Considering how well Robiul bowled in only his 5th Test match, why don't we give some others a try? Shahadat and Rubel have been given a lot of time but haven't delivered yet. Let's stop focusing on pace and go for accurate bowlers who can swing it. I want to give Sajedul a try. I would also love to see Nazmul back in the Test team. Someone who can hold up one end and create pressure by bowling maidens.

Tiger Manc
April 20, 2013, 04:42 PM
I want to see how Al-Amin Hossain, Abu Jayed, Dolar Mahmud and Mahbubul Alam would fair.

Gowza
April 20, 2013, 06:05 PM
Considering how well Robiul bowled in only his 5th Test match, why don't we give some others a try? Shahadat and Rubel have been given a lot of time but haven't delivered yet. Let's stop focusing on pace and go for accurate bowlers who can swing it. I want to give Sajedul a try. I would also love to see Nazmul back in the Test team. Someone who can hold up one end and create pressure by bowling maidens.

i think one reason shahadat keeps on getting picked is that he's gotten 5fers in the past while the others haven't and since the pacers were always doing poorly people just saw him as the best of the worst since he had the capability. but now robiul has got a 5fer so by that logic, no need to pick shahadat anymore and yes i really hope they try some others, i want to see sajidul in the next match.

BD_TigerZ
April 21, 2013, 01:35 AM
Babu Taskin Nazmul Robiul should be the 4 pacers for NZ series.

ahnaf
April 21, 2013, 01:57 AM
How is Robin doing now a days?
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BengaliPagol
April 21, 2013, 04:12 AM
We have a lion heart bowler in the name of Robiul. Im glad we found him as he reminds me off Peter Siddle (bowls with a lot of heart). We need to persist with Nazmul. He hits the line and lengths consistently which Bangladesh need. Taskin is the one to look out for. I think those 3 are the future.

Also i'd try out Ziaur Rahman as a specialist bowler for ODIs.

WarWolf
April 21, 2013, 04:18 AM
Considering how well Robiul bowled in only his 5th Test match, why don't we give some others a try? Shahadat and Rubel have been given a lot of time but haven't delivered yet. Let's stop focusing on pace and go for accurate bowlers who can swing it. I want to give Sajedul a try. I would also love to see Nazmul back in the Test team. Someone who can hold up one end and create pressure by bowling maidens.
Exactly my thoughts.

This is what I have been saying. Rubel has played quite a number of matches. It's true that he seems to deliver some good deliveries, but releases the pressure immediately. Same goes true for Shahadat. A bowler can be unlucky a couple of times, but not always. Looking at their stats this is clear that they have the real pace bowling capabilities in them.

BD_TigerZ
April 21, 2013, 05:15 AM
We have a lion heart bowler in the name of Robiul. Im glad we found him as he reminds me off Peter Siddle (bowls with a lot of heart). We need to persist with Nazmul. He hits the line and lengths consistently which Bangladesh need. Taskin is the one to look out for. I think those 3 are the future.

Also i'd try out Ziaur Rahman as a specialist bowler for ODIs.

Id just tell Zia to quit his batting. Just focus on bowling.o

BengaliPagol
April 21, 2013, 05:49 AM
Id just tell Zia to quit his batting. Just focus on bowling.o

Hate watching him bat. A pure blind slogger. Not bad with the ball. In fact he is better than Rubel with the ball.

jeesh
April 22, 2013, 10:44 AM
Selectors might be tempted to bring Taskin into the mix as a reactive strategy. Just worried the move might be too early for the guy-almost like Abul Hasan.

Taskin has played only 10 first class matches with a haul of 24. Its not just the lack of experience, also worry whether he is physically ready for the job. Knowing the player he is, he will go all out. We all know our history with injuries with pace bowlers. Not one person has been able to be injury free for a stretch of games. A long term injury early in the career could be a disaster. Rather have him play another couple of seasons of First Class, A Team Tours, time at the academy and then bring him in.

Now in comparison Zimbawean bowlers may not have much test experience, but they have a lot of first class experience. They have a better understanding of the longer version and are much fitter. Masakadza has close to 200 fc scalps, Mpofu 207, Meth 125, Jarvis 115, Vitori 64. Most of them have very good averages of around 20.

I think we have a very good find in Robiul Islam. He might be able to do well in all formats. We have to get Nazmul fit. Will be interesting to see how Saajidul plays. Shafiul and Rubel need to play more, even A Team might do them good. Kamrul Islam Rabbi, Al Amin Hossain, Abu Jayed, Kazi Kamrul Islam have all performed well in domestic cricket last couple of seasons. Prefer to see one of them as opposed to going on and on with Shahadat Hossain.

Gowza
April 22, 2013, 06:41 PM
Selectors might be tempted to bring Taskin into the mix as a reactive strategy. Just worried the move might be too early for the guy-almost like Abul Hasan.

Taskin has played only 10 first class matches with a haul of 24. Its not just the lack of experience, also worry whether he is physically ready for the job. Knowing the player he is, he will go all out. We all know our history with injuries with pace bowlers. Not one person has been able to be injury free for a stretch of games. A long term injury early in the career could be a disaster. Rather have him play another couple of seasons of First Class, A Team Tours, time at the academy and then bring him in.

Now in comparison Zimbawean bowlers may not have much test experience, but they have a lot of first class experience. They have a better understanding of the longer version and are much fitter. Masakadza has close to 200 fc scalps, Mpofu 207, Meth 125, Jarvis 115, Vitori 64. Most of them have very good averages of around 20.

I think we have a very good find in Robiul Islam. He might be able to do well in all formats. We have to get Nazmul fit. Will be interesting to see how Saajidul plays. Shafiul and Rubel need to play more, even A Team might do them good. Kamrul Islam Rabbi, Al Amin Hossain, Abu Jayed, Kazi Kamrul Islam have all performed well in domestic cricket last couple of seasons. Prefer to see one of them as opposed to going on and on with Shahadat Hossain.

this is true. try sajidul now, rubel, shafiul and abul can play A teams, give rabbi, al amin, abu jayed, kazi or babu a try. and yes get nazmul fit.

BengaliPagol
April 22, 2013, 06:47 PM
I think Shafiul hasn't had enough chances for a while now. I would persist with him in the meantime and when Nazmul is fit i'd fit him into the team as well. That would mean a pace trio of Shafiul, Nazmul, Robiul. Ziaur can be in the mix for ODIs

tanvir_nus
April 22, 2013, 08:29 PM
Selectors might be tempted to bring Taskin into the mix as a reactive strategy. Just worried the move might be too early for the guy-almost like Abul Hasan.

Taskin has played only 10 first class matches with a haul of 24. Its not just the lack of experience, also worry whether he is physically ready for the job. Knowing the player he is, he will go all out. We all know our history with injuries with pace bowlers. Not one person has been able to be injury free for a stretch of games. A long term injury early in the career could be a disaster. Rather have him play another couple of seasons of First Class, A Team Tours, time at the academy and then bring him in.


Well said. I might support his inclusion if it is T20s or even ODIs. But tests for atleast 3/4 years is a big no. Unless BCB wants to lose a talent like him. Why the hurry? There are senior pacers who haven't got a chance yet, look at Robiul everyone wrote him off while he kept performing at the domestic level. He has got swing going and taking wickets and coming good for us, I think we have enough reserve for now for the tests.

About Taskin, let him play the U-19 world cup, the U-19 series to follow, more first class matches and another BPL. Let him grow more and learn more about the game. He will outgrow any players when he debuts then. But as I have said before, a talent like him will be hard to keep on the sidelines.

jeesh
April 22, 2013, 11:31 PM
You dont often see Bangladeshi bowlers knocking down stumps with so much ease. And he has the aggression and attitude to back his bowling. Really really hope BCB manages him well. Not often you get such players.

al Furqaan
April 23, 2013, 12:42 AM
You dont often see Bangladeshi bowlers knocking down stumps with so much ease. And he has the aggression and attitude to back his bowling. Really really hope BCB manages him well. Not often you get such players.

You're talking about Robiul right? If so, I agree. He is a workhorse, excellent stamina and determination. Exactly what we need. Wish he was a few years younger than 26, but even at 26 he can serve for 6-8 years.

jeesh
April 23, 2013, 01:30 AM
No buddy i was talking about Taskin.

Robiul too could be a very good find. Love his grit, perseverance. Not as aggressive as Taskin, but he ll keep making you play ball after ball. He ll wait as long as it takes to get a mistake.

al Furqaan
April 23, 2013, 01:35 AM
No buddy i was talking about Taskin.

Robiul too could be a very good find. Love his grit, perseverance. Not as aggressive as Taskin, but he ll keep making you play ball after ball. He ll wait as long as it takes to get a mistake.

Thats essentially what MCgrath did with his line and length, no? That is what a fast bowler is supposed to do.

Taskin seems to be able to move the ball off the seam, can get bounce, and hopefully can swing it with time and the proper conditions, I would like to see him play. His FC record is pretty good. Much better than Abul and Rubel's.

BengaliPagol
April 23, 2013, 02:19 AM
I loved how he bowled Dilshan in the BPL. If he can do that to a player of Dilshan's calibre then i think he can do that to any batsmen in world cricket.

Eshen
February 17, 2014, 03:04 PM
Taskin Ahmed
Abu Jayed
Kamrul Islam Rabbi

Anyone else coming up the pipeline?

Ajfar
February 17, 2014, 04:34 PM
Taskin Ahmed
Abu Jayed
Kamrul Islam Rabbi

Anyone else coming up the pipeline?

I have high hopes for Abu Jayed. He already raced to 75 Wickets in first class cricket in 2 and half season. I'm afraid him and Taskin are not being looked after. They are not getting any specialized coaching. Just the occasional off season camps here and there. I don't know how far they can improve without any top class fast bowling coaching.

King13
February 17, 2014, 04:47 PM
Any Update on Abul Hasan and Taskin Ahmed?

Fazal
February 17, 2014, 05:29 PM
Pipeline dream

al Furqaan
February 17, 2014, 08:40 PM
Abul is an ordinary bowler with some pace and nothing more. Taskin has great potential though.

WarWolf
February 17, 2014, 11:11 PM
Abul is an ordinary bowler with some pace and nothing more. Taskin has great potential though.

AF bhai
Somebody in BC said similar words about Al-Amin too ( I am sure that it wasn't you). Al-Amin proved it wrong.

Only some pace or not, getting 75 wickets in 2 and half season is not an ordinary achievement in Bangladeshi standard for pace bowling. I have high hope for him.

jeesh
February 18, 2014, 03:56 AM
Pipeline will always be clogged, until the Big Boss realizes you cant pluck pacers out of trees. Frustrating.

Naimul_Hd
February 23, 2014, 07:41 AM
Just came across this report of the process of Pipe line of Bangladesh cricket teams. Looks good on paper but actually how strong is our pipe line is a big question now.

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syedmahm
February 24, 2014, 02:36 PM
Just came across this report of the process of Pipe line of Bangladesh cricket teams. Looks good on paper but actually how strong is our pipe line is a big question now.

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Thanks for the video. Very informative.

MohammedC
February 24, 2014, 03:13 PM
Thanks for sharing the video High Definition bhai.