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jeesh
October 15, 2012, 08:35 AM
The objective of the thread is same as that of the pace pipeline thread. To discuss the progress of spinners apart from Shakib, Razzak and Elias Sunny Sunny in Under 19, club cricket, divisional cricket, BPL, A Team etc.

Fortunately Bangladesh is blessed with a good spin pipeline. It can be also unfortunate because sometimes talented spinners are overlooked despite their strong showings in domestic cricket. Currently many countries are finding it hard to unearth quality spinners. Australia for instance had to resort to a 42 year Hogg because the likes of Michael Beer, Doherty are simply not good enough. Its debatable but i bet countries like Australia, South Africa, England, Zimbabwe wouldnt mind having some of our emerging or fringe spinners. Bangladesh in comparison can produce SLA's effortlessly.

But are these spinners good enough? Many would argue they are not, and they would struggle against quality batsmen, and in less spin oriented pitches. This could be true. But if you remember the performance of our spinners in BPL, you will probably agree the talent and potential is there. The likes of Elias Sunny, Arafat Sunny, Saqlain Sajib performed admirably against some of the best T20 batsmen in the world. The next BPL will give these spinners another chance to prove themselves.

BCB also made a smart move by appointing Saqlain Mushtaq. But this appointment will not bear any fruit until Saqlain is allowed to work with 10-12 of our emerging A Team, Under 19 spinners for 2-3 months.

It is also important BCB tries to nurture spinners other than SLA's to improve variety in our attack. Unfortunately there arent many OS or LS candidates.

Tiger444
October 15, 2012, 08:49 AM
Well there is no doubt that our SLA's are quality. Shakib and Razzak are top 10 bowlers in both T20I's and ODI's. Then you have Elias who was the highest wicket taker in the BPL and has done really well so far in the national team. Then our backups, Enamul, Saqlain, and Arafat are all very good as well.

The problem still lies in the variety in our spin attack. We only have Sohag Gazi as a specialist offie and Nur Hossain as a specialist leggie. We need a lot more variety in our spin department because it's already proven that we can produce good spinners. So why not have more variety so we could be more potent in our attack? Because let's be realistic, we'll never really have a superior pace attack. So we should focus on having variety in our spin.

jeesh
October 15, 2012, 08:49 AM
Top 5 spinners in last 5 NCL

2011/12

Enamul Jnr- 59
Arafat Sunny- 50
Saqlain Sajib- 50
Abdur Razzak- 38
Murad Khan- 35

Best Non SLA. Farhad Hossain, OS- 29

2010/2011

Sohag Gazi- 41
Mosharraf Hossain- 34
Shaker Ahmed- 30
Saqlain Sajib- 29
Elias Sunny- 24

2009/10

Saqlain Sajib- 54
Elias Sunny- 42
Suhrawadi Shuvo- 24
Murad Khan- 17
Faisal Hossain- 16

Best Non SLA. Sohag Gazi, OS- 15

2008/2009

Suhrawadi Shuvo- 59
Nabil Samad- 41
Arafat Sunny- 40
Elias Sunny- 37
Farhad Hossain- 19

2007/08

Mosharraf Hossain- 44
Murad Khan- 39
Enamul Haque jnr- 32
Saqlain Sajib- 31
Saju Datta- 30

Best non SLA. Yasin Arafat, OS- 29

AsifTheManRahman
October 15, 2012, 09:02 AM
Spin pipeline = SLAs, way too many.

Even in the NT, we need more venom: attack, don't just contain. Guys like Shakib and Elias have shown they are capable. Enam has developed and is probably able to strike in all versions. Could probably look at Gazi for variation, but please no more SLAs. We have enough - even Razzak mamu gets the job done in the shorter versions.

jeesh
October 15, 2012, 09:10 AM
NT Vs Pipeline Spinners

Shakib has 192 FC wickets at an average of 29. Razzak has 197 FC wickets at an average of 30. Elias Sunny has 224 FC wickets at an average of 25.

Arafat Sunny has 209 FC wickets at an average of 22. Saqlain Sajib has 170 wickets at an average of 20. Enamul Jnr is one of the highest wicket takers in FC cricket with 306 victims at an average of 28. Veteran spinner Mosharraf Hossain has 203 FC wickets at an average of 25. Shuvo has 186 FC wickets at an average of 20. Nabil Samad has 219 FC victims at an average of 26.

OS candidates

Sohag Gazi has 76 wickets at an average of 22. All rounder Farhad Hossain is a more potent spinner than frontline all rounders like Riyad, Naeem, Nasir, Kapali. He has 112 FC wicket at an average of 22 (Off topic, Farhad Hossain is also a useful batsman with a healthy average of 35 with the highest score of 216). Yasin Arafat is the only other consistent off spinner with 161 wickets and an average of 28. Highly unlikely he will break into national team though

LS candidates

Kapali is the only leg spinner with over 100 first class wickets. We all know Noor Hossain has talent, but he is very raw. So far he has only 30 wickets in the 10 FC matches he has played at an average of 37.

Clearly the SLA's dominate. Saqlain Sajib and Enamul are the best two pipeline spinners for the longer version, while Arafat Sunny is a better option for the shorter versions. Likes of Shuvo, Nabil Samad have to prove more. The best non SLA option we have now is Sohag Gazi. Hope he has a terrific NCL.

mufi_02
October 15, 2012, 09:19 AM
Nice work Jeesh bhai. I am tired of SLAs as well. Slightly off topic, what is the cause of our endless supply of SLAs? Is it because of early success of Moni and Rafiq?

On topic, I think Sohag Gazi, Yasin Arafat, Noor Hossain should be groomed more. Get more offies/leggies and send them to a camp with Saqlain for a month. There are talents out there and we just need to find them. We might have few Dananjayas somewhere. This guy was bowling in nets few months ago. Fast forward and he bowled in WC T20 final.

Gowza
October 15, 2012, 09:53 AM
need to develop guys like sohag gazi, had no idea farhad hossain had such a good bowling record i mean 112 FC scalps at an average of 21, econ under 3 and a ridiculous strike rate of 45!

jeesh
October 15, 2012, 09:59 AM
Thanks for the feedback. My 2 theories (Sorry for repeating for those who have read it before)

1) Inspiration: Rafique was an iconic player, now Shakib is the poster boy and icon-not just in Bangladesh, respected around the world. Razzak has had terrific success in the shorter formats. Success breeds success. Imo inspiration is 20% of the reason we produce so many SLA's

2) Nature of wickets and type of batsmen: Our wickets are known for low bounce, where the ball doesnt come on to the bat. Also most of our batsmen are right handed, and their dominant hand is right. Which means their bottom hand is stronger. Naturally these guys love to play on the leg side, across the line. Now combine the two factors. Result: plenty of wickets via LBW's, getting cleaned up etc. You are more likely to succeed as an SLA in BD wickets, than an off spinner or a leg spinner. You dont need much variation, just the ability to bowl straight, over the wicket with an angle. The odd ball should turn, while one should throw in a few arm balls. Wickets, wickets, wickets.

Would love to see a Bangladeshi Akila Dananajaya. What a story that is. But i doubt that will happen, because our selectors are averse to risk taking. They will play Razzak match after match even if he flops day and night, saying he has experience. Also our age group coaches are very traditional minded-they go by the book. I highly doubt they will encourage anything unorthodox, which is why you wont see a Mendis or a Narine coming out of Bangladesh.

Tiger444
October 15, 2012, 10:44 AM
Great point there Jeesh and it's very true. Rafique obviously had an influence but also it's mainly the nature of wickets that we play on. Diversity of pitches are key here. We can't just have pitches that help the SLA's. We need pitches that help ALL spinners, pacers, and batsmen. The more diversity we have in our pitches, the more diversity we'll have in our bowling attack. A small idea here for the selectors that can help in a big way is to have Gazi in the next team. If he can get that chance ahead of the likes of Saqlain and Arafat, it might make a difference. Gazi will also have to make a difference. If he can become a star, who knows, younger kids might want to become an offspinner rather than an SLA. Nur should be in consideration in a few years as well. If these 2 become class players then it could really help with this problem.

jeesh
October 16, 2012, 05:18 AM
Enamul's 59 wickets last season marks his comeback after a few disappointing years. He bowled very well against West Indies High Performance as well. This is good news for Bangladeshi cricket. Technical ability wise, Enamul is the best spinner in the country. The difference between him and Shakib is probably mental attributes. Shakib has the mind of a champion, he is brave, positive and determined. Skill wise Enamul is better-can turn the ball a great deal, has a good arm ball, flights the ball well, and can bamboozle batsmen with point of delivery. Enamul is also one of those bowlers who take apart a batting lineup. He has over 300 FC wickets, at an average of 28 with 21 five wicket/innings haul and 4 ten wickets/match haul.

Hopefully, Enamul will be part of Bangladesh's test squad in the West Indies series. It will be interesting to see how he also does in NCL.

kalpurush
October 16, 2012, 06:05 AM
Fantastic work Jeesh - great nanlysis and observations. :up:


I think we should have a new set of selectors who has vision and eyes to see it.

Enamul Jr. is must for the Tests. And don't want to see Razzak in the Test squad.
Sunny and Enamul could do wonders against WI.

jeesh
October 16, 2012, 10:50 AM
Thanks Kalpurush.

Continuing the discussion on spinners, the next one is one of the more unfortunate cases. Rather he dug up his own grave. Now the big question is can he do anything to drag himself out of the grave. I am talking abt Mosharraf Hossain-who at the peak of his career decided to ditch the national team to play in ICL.

Nevertheless he has been one of the most consistent spinners in domestic cricket over the years. Was tipped to take over the role of Rafique by the great man himself. See links below. In ways he is very similar to Rafique. Relies heavily on accuracy and flight. Unlike Razzak he will rarely give you a loose ball. This is why he has a good economy rate in T20, ODI's and FC. Picks up wickets too, has 203 FC wickets at an average of 25 with best of 9/105 which is probably the best bowling performance by a Bangladeshi in FC cricket.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=18297
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=25066

Can he make it into the BD team, will he get a second chance? At the age of 30, i highly doubt it. But if we ever need a mature experienced spinner Mosharraf should be the one. A good BPL and FC season can change his fortunes. One must keep in mind Mohammad Rafique may have been in the team for a long time, but in terms of quality bowling he peaked very late.

AsifTheManRahman
October 16, 2012, 11:32 AM
Mosharraf doesn't have anything more to offer than our front line SLAs. He's great at containing and will make batsmen from outside the subcontinent struggle regularly on our dust bowls in the shorter formats, but he might just have chosen the wrong trade at the wrong time in the wrong place. He was in contention before the ICL, though, so that might just have killed his chances with the NT.

I think Rafique had named him as his replacement when he had just retired, but circumstances haven't been in his favor. He is still a very good bowler.

jeesh
October 16, 2012, 12:21 PM
Agree. Chances are he wont make back into the national fold even with good performances in domestic cricket. Enamul, Saqlain, and Arafat are ahead as far as SLA's are concerned.

mufi_02
October 16, 2012, 01:12 PM
Yes, Mosharraf Rubel's days are over. He was right up there before Sunny, Shuvo, Saqlain became prominent.

How about we get Rafique to work as spin coach/mentor at development level? His job will be to identify talent and develop them. The succesful ones will be sent to Saqlain Mushtaq and that batch will train under him for at least one year. The succesful ones from there will go to McInnes and the best ones from there will reach the National team.

jeesh
October 17, 2012, 09:47 AM
That would be very useful. Having Rafique mentor young spinners-he used to do that even while playing, i bet Shakib and Razzak will bear testimony to that. I read BCB wants to have batting, pace bowling, spin bowling and fielding coaches at academy working with RM. Good opportunity to involve guys like Rafique working under RM.

Btw one area where i hope our SLA's work on is their variation. Most of our SLA's are content just bowling the orthodox delivery. They will probably vary the flight, length, line. Their stock delivery will be the arm ball. This works ok in ODI's, test match cricket. But to do well in T20's and to be more effective in ODI's they need to have a bit more. Rangana Herath (Who imo is one of the best SLA's in the world atm) for example is probably the only SLA who can bowl the doosra (One that spins towards the right hander) at will. Herath also has an effective carrom ball. He combines these deliveries with his orthodox spin, variation in flight, arm ball. Very effective and hard to pick.

Tiger Manc
October 17, 2012, 05:26 PM
I don't understand why Sohag Gazi didn't play any matches against the Windies High Performance team recently. I thought a good performance might propel him into the squad against Windies NT. He did well against the Saffers academy team in their own backyard. We need variety in our spin attack, it might work against Zimbabwe having 3 slas, but against the Watsons, Gayles and McCullums it becomes one dimensional. I see him as one for the future and I hope he's spent time with Saqlain Mushtaq working on variations.

jeesh
October 18, 2012, 12:01 AM
Thats because our selectors dont think Tiger Manc. Too conservative. Dont be surprised to see Razzak in the test XI.

Sohel
October 18, 2012, 12:56 AM
Both Nazimuddin and DaRok are decent spinners.

jeesh
October 20, 2012, 10:46 AM
Good to see Saqlain Sajib making noise from day 1. A lot of the media and us the fans attention is on the Sunny's, Enamul, Shakib etc. But quietly Sajib has gotten 176 FC wickets from 36 matches. Could be one of our few bowlers who could average below 20 in FC with the ball.

Wish him a speedy recovery.

jeesh
October 22, 2012, 10:40 PM
Sohag Gazi's 7 for 79. We might have an OS finally. Got a century too!

jeesh
October 23, 2012, 11:14 AM
Unfortunately Sohan Gazi and Enamul Jnr may have to wait. Razzak match winning haul of 6/72 might be enough to convince selectors to consider him for the WI tests. Talk abt a timely performance. Personally i am not a fan of Razzak in longer format. But this performance will make it harder for selectors to say no

Tiger444
October 23, 2012, 11:37 AM
^hopefully they realize that Razzak's bowling is not suited for the longer format. They did drop him last year for the WI and Pak tour. We'll see what happens but I really hope they don't pick Razzak and rather pick Enamul Jr. And Sohag
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mij
October 23, 2012, 01:50 PM
^hopefully they realize that Razzak's bowling is not suited for the longer format. They did drop him last year for the WI and Pak tour. We'll see what happens but I really hope they don't pick Razzak and rather pick Enamul Jr. And Sohag
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BANFAN
October 23, 2012, 02:05 PM
Unfortunately Sohan Gazi and Enamul Jnr may have to wait. Razzak match winning haul of 6/72 might be enough to convince selectors to consider him for the WI tests. Talk abt a timely performance. Personally i am not a fan of Razzak in longer format. But this performance will make it harder for selectors to say no

Both Shohag Gazi and Enamul both should be in the team, specially when Saklain is there as the coach...this series at home should be loaded with spinners.

Shohag brings in some batting also...

jeesh
October 23, 2012, 11:35 PM
Very true. Gazi adds variety, and some depth in the batting. And we all know he is a long term prospect for the NT. So might as well start grooming him now, especially when the legend Saqlain Mushtaq is mentoring the spinners. Also Windies have a few left handers, so it doesnt hurt having off spinners.

But you know our selectors right. They are very conservative and will hesitate to make changes.

Nadim
November 2, 2012, 05:06 PM
Endless pipe but quality wise "cough""cough"
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jeesh
November 7, 2012, 01:39 AM
Razzak in outstanding form in NCL so far. But good decision by selectors in not picking him. He cannot take his position for granted.

jeesh
November 13, 2012, 09:17 AM
So selectors have a dilemma. Clearly Shakib and Gazi are not enough. Theres sth wrong with Shakib-fatigue, injury, or he has to work on his bowling. Gazi alone is not enough to trouble the Windies. So we either sacrifice a pace bowler, which wont happen. So the next best alternative is drop an all rounder. Thats not the hard part. Who to pick as the 3rd spinner. Sunny is automatic choice. But Razzak has been in the form of his life in FC cricket. Enamul too is likely to offer more than what Shakib did.

So lot to think abt for selectors and management

Gowza
November 13, 2012, 06:55 PM
Keep two pacers drop a batsman and bring in sunny.

Jadukor
November 13, 2012, 10:04 PM
Keep two pacers drop a batsman and bring in sunny.
I agree with you however lets see how we bat first before thinking about dropping batsman.
I think the ideal way to go would be to drop one pacer and one batsman and pick two more spinners. That would enable us to throw everything we got (in terms of bowling) at the west indies. Play Gazi, Sunny, Enamul and Nazmul as the four specialist bowlers plus shakib. If we still can't manage 20 wkts then there is really no hope for us.

Sohel
November 13, 2012, 10:09 PM
According to several successful NCL batters over the past few seasons including this one, Enam is the most threatening spinner out there. They also rate Shojib, Shohag and Munna highly.

jeesh
November 14, 2012, 10:04 AM
Whats wrong with your bowling? It looks like we are back in the early 2000's where we cant bowl out opposition.

Matribhasha
November 14, 2012, 10:21 AM
I'm a BIG fan of Razzak. But in a test, he is a NO NO. Keep it simple -just bring in Sunny.

If we don't get them out still...the only question then is, how did we choose this lineup then, for T1 ? We just have no understanding of our assets.

Matribhasha
November 14, 2012, 10:22 AM
We have degenerated in bowling only for 2 reasons -

No Mashrafee
Shahadat can no longer take 5-fers. He barely gets one wic now.

jeesh
November 15, 2012, 10:16 AM
But Razzak has been devastating in FC this season. Best bowler by miles. 28 wickets at an average of 14. Almost 10 wickets more than the next leading wicket taker. Anyone know how? Bowling very well? Good form?

Tiger Manc
November 18, 2012, 12:18 PM
Looking forward to the day we see Shakib, Sunny and Gazi all bowl together on a spin friendly pitch.

Equinox
November 18, 2012, 12:46 PM
Sunny is decent but according to me Saqlain Shajib has the potential to be the best SLA in the country after Shakib. He has the height which he uses very well to generate bounce when he's bowling. I was very impressed watching him in the BPL. He has 186 FC wickets at an average of 19 and he hasn't even been called up to the A team regularly. No offense to ES but I'd even rate the other Sunny (Arafat) as a more potent limited-overs bowler.

jeesh
November 18, 2012, 11:40 PM
Again another 7 wickets for Razzak. Enamul also picked up a 7 wicket hall. At the rate these two are going they will create first class records this season. Gazi did an excellent job. Shakib clearly needs more time to get into form. Wonder what could have been the impact of having Razzak or Enamul as the third spinner.

Gowza
November 19, 2012, 06:42 AM
razzak and enaml are going nuts in NCL this season, problem is when they where given chances in test matches they didn't perform so well and now we have some pretty solid spinners in the test match line-up with shakib, sunny and sohag so despite enamul and razzak doing well in domestics i don't think it's fair to drop any of shakib, sunny and sohag at this point given that they have performed well in their test match chances so far (which enamul and razzak failed to do) and that they also perform very well domestically. although razzak's form is pretty unbelievable with a 7fer and 3fer this match, a 9fer and a 4fer last match, a 5fer and a 4fer the match before that and then a 6fer in the match before that (round 1). but then enamul also has a 7fer, two 6fers and two 5fers.

jeesh
November 19, 2012, 10:16 AM
Gowza maybe Razzak has worked on his bowling. Maybe the fact he was selected for the series has motivated him to perform. Not to mention the competition from the younger spinners. We will keep both Shakib and Gazi. Big question is whether we should have a third spinner. For that we have to either drop a pacer (Which wont happen, although pacers really doing bring in much value). Or we drop a batsman. Personally i feel Bangladesh will be a stronger team with an extra spinner. Until Shakib finds his form

AsifTheManRahman
November 19, 2012, 11:37 AM
Gowza maybe Razzak has worked on his bowling. Maybe the fact he was selected for the series has motivated him to perform. Not to mention the competition from the younger spinners.
The selectors need to go watch NCL matches to be able to make that call. Unfortunately, Akram chacha is too busy ordering KFC at home.

BengalT
November 19, 2012, 12:17 PM
Both Razzak & Enamul should be selected in National Team (ODI), Drop Elias Sunny For ODI.

jeesh
November 19, 2012, 11:47 PM
The selectors need to go watch NCL matches to be able to make that call. Unfortunately, Akram chacha is too busy ordering KFC at home.
Lol @ asif. Going off topic, once i saw the guy eat 22 bananas at Abahani ground during practice. Seemed like appetizer for him

MyRoom
November 20, 2012, 10:26 AM
Spin bowling is fine, its our pace pipeline we should be all concerned about. Shakib, Sunny and Gazi plus the part timers on a spinning track will devastate the opposition.

AsifTheManRahman
November 20, 2012, 12:45 PM
Lol @ asif. Going off topic, once i saw the guy eat 22 bananas at Abahani ground during practice. Seemed like appetizer for him
Shortly after the ICC trophy win, a reporter spotted Akram devouring fried chicken pieces as if they were candy at a reception for the teams participating in the upcoming Asia Cup tournament. Concerned about his health, she walked up to him and told him he shouldn't eat so much, to which Akram's reply was something along the lines of, "Oh we're very confident about doing well in the Asia Cup".

It was in the newspapers, so not my words.

jeesh
November 20, 2012, 01:15 PM
Hehe funny character. I remember i once went to get his autograph. He wrote "Good. Akram Khan." I always wondered why he deviated from best wishes, complements from and wrote just good :P. But he could really clear the fence when he wanted. Used to do well in the tournaments BCB organized inviting India A, Pakistan A and Sri Lanka A.

Mav
November 25, 2012, 01:08 AM
Looks like a promising find for Bangladesh, well referred by Saqlain Mustaq.
12 wickets in this test.

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MyRoom
November 25, 2012, 10:46 AM
We need to make sure that Noor Hossain is nurtured well because a quality leg spinner will make sure that our spin attack is dangerous.

deshimon
November 25, 2012, 11:48 AM
We need to make sure that Noor Hossain is nurtured well because a quality leg spinner will make sure that our spin attack is dangerous.

In current NCL I never see his name anywhere. Is he playing NCL?

WarWolf
November 25, 2012, 11:54 AM
In current NCL I never see his name anywhere. Is he playing NCL?
Yes and he is getting 1/2 wickets regularly.

Nadim
November 25, 2012, 12:00 PM
Noor lost his mojo a bit:(. But i'm still hopeful. he is yet to be 20 so the HOPE is still there.


LS is an ART so it takes a bit of time unless you are Shane Warne

MyRoom
November 25, 2012, 03:30 PM
In current NCL I never see his name anywhere. Is he playing NCL?

He's played a few games in NCL this season! I first saw him in England playing in the Under-19 matches in 2009 or 10 I think and he was a big turner of the ball getting lots of wickets. But they're of no use when our pitches are flat like pancakes.

jeesh
November 30, 2012, 04:09 AM
Noor struggled in the Under 19 WC as well. Perhaps he wont end up living up to the hype/expectations we all had. But its actually not a gr8 time for leg spinners. Piyush Chawla was dubbed for greatness even by Shane Warne's mentor Terry Jenner. Even he hasnt developed the way they wanted.

BanCricFan
November 30, 2012, 04:38 AM
Chokka Maar Naeem!

Oops...wromg thread!

jeesh
January 26, 2013, 10:55 PM
Spinners having slightly less impact in BPL in comparison to last years edition. No demons in Dhaka and Khulna wicket. Lets see what Chittagong has for spinners.

Abdur Razzak and Gazi have been good. Debatable but probably one of the more impressive spinners in BPL so far has been Mosharraf Hossain Rubel. Really has a lot of Rafique in him, and not surprising because its Rafique who is coaching him at the moment at Dhaka Gladiators. At 31 is it too late to give him another go at international cricket? No harm because he seems to have a lot of maturity. He has been performing consistently in first class cricket as well.

shakibrulz
January 27, 2013, 05:22 AM
Apart from Gazi, whom I do think as the best spin prospect at the moment:
Mosharraff Hossain - has great potential to succeed in tests, rate him higher than Sunny.
Enamul Haque Jr - not as great as I'd hoped, but good still.
Saqlain Sajib - went off the radar a bit, but bowled well even in the match where every other bowler got pwned. Do think he might do fine in the long run.

jeesh
February 8, 2013, 11:31 AM
So does Enamul get a chance in the Sri Lankan tour, or still not good enough to impress the selectors?

RazabQ
February 8, 2013, 01:27 PM
See Enam's bad luck is he's way behind the queue. Your 1st choice Test spinners are Shakib & Gazi now. Sunny is 1st backup. For ODIs it's the Shakib + Gazi + Razzak. No backups needed as Nasir, Riyadh and Naeem will get some overs in. Same for T20s. You gotta take at least 3 pacers in your squad of 15. So even if Enam would definitely play for Saffers or NZ for e.g., he doesn't get a shot here.

RazabQ
February 8, 2013, 01:27 PM
Essentially Sunny's emergence has killed Enam's chances until Razzak retires in about 2 years. Unless we have some serious losses of form.

jeesh
February 8, 2013, 11:09 PM
Will be interesting to see if the wicket tally of BPL will influence selectors. Enamul likely to top if his team plays through. Sunny way behind. Enamul was also highest wicket taker in first class. He has totally outperformed Sunny.

Tiger444
February 8, 2013, 11:15 PM
^if Shakib can't play the Tests against SL then I see Enamul making the trip. Otherwise it could be tough since Sunny has done well so far in the national team and we all know how well Gazi's been bowling. It's unfortunate that Enamul has been so unlucky but that's just how stacked we are with our spinners.

shakibrulz
February 9, 2013, 12:39 AM
Is Mosharraf Hossain even in the mix? He has been probably even more consistent than Enamul right?

jeesh
February 9, 2013, 01:29 AM
Its very difficult for Mosharraf Hossain. He was superb in NCL, finished with 40 wickets, just 4 less than Enamul. But he ll always be behind Razzak, Sunny, Enamul.

shakibrulz
February 9, 2013, 03:43 AM
^Why's that? He has more wickets than Jr, Razzak and Sunny in BCL.

al Furqaan
February 9, 2013, 12:45 PM
Essentially Sunny's emergence has killed Enam's chances until Razzak retires in about 2 years. Unless we have some serious losses of form.

I don't think Razzak will retire in 2 years. He's only 30, and he's been bowling very well the last couple of years. I see him bowling for another 5 years. He doesn't even play Tests, so that should prolong his ODI career. I'd like to see him get to 300 ODIs, and 350 wickets. That would be something!

Gowza
February 9, 2013, 06:14 PM
yeah i don't see razzak retiring in 2 years either. as said he's only 30, he doesn't play tests so still has a lot left in him and in the last year or 2 he's found some form and started bowling much better again so he should be really motivated to keep going. he's not far off 200 wickets, if he plays another 100 ODIs then he's got a good chance of crossing 300 wickets and not being far from the 350 wickets milestone. i reckon if he plays 300 ODIs he'd be closer to 400 wickets than 350, that would be something else.

jeesh
February 10, 2013, 10:22 PM
^Why's that? He has more wickets than Jr, Razzak and Sunny in BCL.
I guess selectors are a little tough on him, dont give him the credit he deserves. Rafique had labelled him as his future replacement. Unfortunately the ICL move totally derailed him. I still think he is more intelligent than Sunny, Razzak. Look at the way he tries to beat batsmen with flight, change of pace, turn. He's not a youngster either. So selectors will probably be saying shall i give a run to a 30 sth is not significantly better than my other spinners, or shall we try developing a more younger spinner for the future.

Eshen
February 10, 2013, 10:30 PM
By the time Raj/Sunny retires, it will be turn for Naeem Jr/Tajul, or some other younger SLA. As of now, the SLA pipeline is clogged (though Enam is doing everything possible to breakthrough it).

Tiger444
February 10, 2013, 10:34 PM
Once Noor develops, I feel he'll jump all these SLA's. after all he's a leggie and the more variation, the better.

jeesh
February 10, 2013, 11:00 PM
Noor has a long way to go. Nth special about him at the moment. But yes if he can develop it adds a whole new dimension to our attack.

Tiger444
February 10, 2013, 11:11 PM
I agree. Maybe another 2-3 yrs at least.

Gowza
February 11, 2013, 02:26 AM
both marshall and shabbir offer some part time leggies so if they make it to the team soon i'm sure they'll be utilised a little bit. really need to find more leggies, just because noor is a leggy doesn't mean he'll develop into a world class one, but we don't have any other specialist leggy to put our hope on as yet.

jeesh
February 11, 2013, 05:25 AM
Check this article says it all about leg spin http://www.planetcricket.net/wordpress/2012/02/1843/leg-spin-a-fading-art/

This is a problem all over the world. Leg spin is an art, and at the moment the world is having a severe shortage of such artists. Like Gowza says at best we could benefit from some part timers just to add some variety.

Nadim
February 11, 2013, 07:59 AM
Clever bowling from him today vs DG. still have high hope in him just like 3/4 yrears back. Only 20 so have alot of time to develop, and i'm sure he will develop. Not everyone is a born legend like Warne.

Rabz
February 11, 2013, 08:29 AM
Noor was good today.

shakibrulz
February 11, 2013, 09:47 AM
Don't care about T20s - leggies usually (except the ones like Afridi obviously - who have no future in tests) go for loads of runs in T20s. He has really been doing nothing in FC cricket - which is disappointing. Hope he starts to perform well in FC.

MohammedC
February 11, 2013, 12:08 PM
Another SLA joins the party

Saju Dutta

jeesh
February 20, 2013, 01:14 AM
Big performance from Mosharraf Hossain. Such a cool customer under pressure. One thing different from other SLA's is he never gives any gifts. Length is immaculate. If you want to score of him, you have to take chances.

Zeeshan
February 20, 2013, 02:34 AM
kano, Mominul Haque (http://www.espncricinfo.com/usa/content/player/373696.html) o to bhalo ball kore..........

Rifat
February 21, 2013, 11:56 AM
I am still Hopeful about Noor Hossain. At least the kid is very young in years. Will keep an eye on him to see how he does in domestic competitions. like NCL, BCL, Premier League etc...

jeesh
April 27, 2013, 01:46 AM
A little disappointed with Enamul Jnr. Nowhere near the bowler who was the highest wicket taker of the Under 19 WC, bagged heaps against Zimbabwe and then impressed against England. True the wicket isnt providing assistance, but Enamul didnt show anything to get excited about. He's not far ahead of Sunny's, Mosharraf. Similar level.

I have been following this guy from the Under 19 days. And RM had predicted Enamul could become Bangladesh's premier spinner. And all these years i hoped he would bounce back. But he hasnt developed much.

BengaliPagol
April 27, 2013, 02:02 AM
i thinks its a bit too early to call. He was bagging wickets on tour matches. He bowled well at times and had some moments throughout the first test. Time will tell though.

jeesh
April 27, 2013, 02:15 AM
Absolutely.

But you can tell from the way which someone bowls, the basics, the thought process, even if the wicket isnt conducive for spin. Nothing more than Razzak or Mosharraf or Elias Sunny if you know what i mean. I really had my hopes high thinking he had the potential be a strike spinner. Someone who would get the opposition thinking before the match started.

Tiger444
April 27, 2013, 08:01 AM
I think we have to accept that our SLAs are pretty much the same, regardless of who we put in. This is where I have to give credit to the selectors. Despite Sohag not having the heaps of wickets the other SLAs have, he got a chance and he's definitely proved that he's got more to offer than the likes of Enamul, Mosharref, Elias, and Saqlain.

We should definitely consider bringing Noor Hossain in. Has a pretty good record in FCs. Gives a good variation to our bowling as a leggie and is still very young. It's a worth a try giving him a chance

BD_TigerZ
April 27, 2013, 08:08 AM
I think we have to accept that our SLAs are pretty much the same, regardless of who we put in. This is where I have to give credit to the selectors. Despite Sohag not having the heaps of wickets the other SLAs have, he got a chance and he's definitely proved that he's got more to offer than the likes of Enamul, Mosharref, Elias, and Saqlain.

We should definitely consider bringing Noor Hossain in. Has a pretty good record in FCs. Gives a good variation to our bowling as a leggie and is still very young. It's a worth a try giving him a chance

id still stick with Enam till the world cup at home..Then maybe noor.

jeesh
April 27, 2013, 08:18 AM
Fair enough, although Enamul will probably be only picked for tests.

Tiger444
April 27, 2013, 11:53 AM
Ya I agree Enamul should be our 3rd spinner for T20Is and ODIs. In Tests though, I think it wouldn't hurt to try Noor in the next series against NZ. If he turns out to be the real deal, then we'll have variety in our spin department

al Furqaan
April 27, 2013, 04:01 PM
A little disappointed with Enamul Jnr. Nowhere near the bowler who was the highest wicket taker of the Under 19 WC, bagged heaps against Zimbabwe and then impressed against England. True the wicket isnt providing assistance, but Enamul didnt show anything to get excited about. He's not far ahead of Sunny's, Mosharraf. Similar level.

I have been following this guy from the Under 19 days. And RM had predicted Enamul could become Bangladesh's premier spinner. And all these years i hoped he would bounce back. But he hasnt developed much.

A little harsh. He had Taylor gone for 30 odd but Nafees dropped it and he went on to score 171. That was a pretty useless wicket for spinners. He kept it fairly tight. He needs more than just a single match before deciding. He should get the next series at home vs NZ.

al-Sagar
April 27, 2013, 10:56 PM
after shakib ....... if u consider a second SLA this will be my choice

TEST: enamul
ODI: rajjak
T20: mosharraf rubel

i was really disappointed with Suhrawardi Shuvo. when he could not make use of his run. and i dont think elias sunny will be useful in the long run.

jeesh
April 29, 2013, 11:18 PM
A little harsh. He had Taylor gone for 30 odd but Nafees dropped it and he went on to score 171. That was a pretty useless wicket for spinners. He kept it fairly tight. He needs more than just a single match before deciding. He should get the next series at home vs NZ.
He will be given more opportunities sure. But he's not the strike bowler we are looking for. I used to think Enam would be better than Shakib. The guy was a prodigy as a teenager, and did so well in his first couple of series. And the sort of turn he could generate, was sort of different from our other SLA's.

Not saying he cant get to that level. Look at Herath, Ajmal, both peaked after 30. But as it stands now Shakib is still our best spinner.

reyme
April 30, 2013, 08:43 PM
We should prepare a similar track for NZ tour now and play several practice matches to see which spinner does the best.

jeesh
May 1, 2013, 11:42 PM
Noor Hossain had a decent NCL with 20 wickets at 27.95, also had 2 five wicket hauls. Average compared to other spinners-there are 9 other spinners ahead of him in the wicket list.

Seems like our under 19 team has a leg spinner by the name of Jubair Hossain, who had a pretty good series against Sri Lanka.

One leg spinner could really improve Bangladesh's spin attack. We have half a dozen SLA's, one very talented OS. All we need is a leg spinner. Someone at the level of Cremer will do.

al Furqaan
May 1, 2013, 11:47 PM
Noor Hossain had a decent NCL with 20 wickets at 27.95, also had 2 five wicket hauls. Average compared to other spinners-there are 9 other spinners ahead of him in the wicket list.

Seems like our under 19 team has a leg spinner by the name of Jubair Hossain, who had a pretty good series against Sri Lanka.

One leg spinner could really improve Bangladesh's spin attack. We have half a dozen SLA's, one very talented OS. All we need is a leg spinner. Someone at the level of Cremer will do.

I think Cremer has a lot of talent, can turn the ball quite a bit like most leggies, and has a very good googly. But for some reason he has so far been distinctly ordinary. His stats against us are a bit inflated with his 4 for 4 mopping up the tail in the first Test.

The ZCF conscensus is that though talented, he bowls too slowly at international level. There were no guns so can't tell for sure, but I think that is a very good reason for not being affective. However, an additional 5-8 kph pace would probably reduce his turn.

Similar issues for Keegan Meth. He will get a few wickets against us in favorable conditions, but top teams will just ride his swing out. Although, the amount of swing he gets, even at 72 mph he could be a handful for top teams.

jeesh
May 2, 2013, 08:42 AM
Cremers a good bolwer, no magic like Paul Strang though.

Zimbabwe have a thing with leg spinners, like we do with SLA's. Paul Strang, Adam Huckle, Brian Murphy, now Cremer.

Tiger444
May 2, 2013, 09:15 AM
Noor Hossain had a decent NCL with 20 wickets at 27.95, also had 2 five wicket hauls. Average compared to other spinners-there are 9 other spinners ahead of him in the wicket list.

Seems like our under 19 team has a leg spinner by the name of Jubair Hossain, who had a pretty good series against Sri Lanka.

One leg spinner could really improve Bangladesh's spin attack. We have half a dozen SLA's, one very talented OS. All we need is a leg spinner. Someone at the level of Cremer will do.

I'd seriously think about giving Noor a go in the NZ series. We decided to chance our arm at Sohag despite not taking even close to the amount of wickets compared to the likes of Enamul and Elias but look at how well he's done.

NCL and international cricket are very different. We shouldn't just look at the highest wicket takers because our style is very different compared to the rest of the world.

We already have Shakib as our SLA for Tests and Razzak for the shorter forms. So we don't really need anymore SLAs. A legspin her can give us a dangerous look with out bowling attack.

jeesh
May 2, 2013, 12:39 PM
At least should be given a go with the A team, even though there are other types of spinner with better record.

shuziburo
May 2, 2013, 12:59 PM
A little harsh. He had Taylor gone for 30 odd but Nafees dropped it and he went on to score 171. That was a pretty useless wicket for spinners. He kept it fairly tight. He needs more than just a single match before deciding. He should get the next series at home vs NZ.

Our spinners need to watch Herath bowl in tests and how he spins his web ball-by-ball. Our spinners do pretty well in the ODI, although I would be tempted to try Enamul jnr in place of Razzak in one or two games. Razzak bowls well, but his obligatory deliveries on the toes get on my nerves.

shuziburo
May 2, 2013, 01:00 PM
We need to develop more non-SLA's. Another good off-spinner and a couple of leg-spinners would be a good place to start.

BD_TigerZ
January 15, 2014, 01:26 AM
Maybe Taijul or Sajib deserves a debut?

jeesh
March 18, 2014, 09:23 PM
Taijul Islam 3 for 12 against South Africa in T20 Warmup.

Gowza
March 18, 2014, 09:33 PM
Taijul showing that he should be next in line.

jeesh
March 27, 2014, 11:11 PM
http://www.espncricinfo.com/world-t20/content/story/731699.html

Watch & Learn BCB

Gowza
March 28, 2014, 03:28 AM
WI were able to get him, why couldn't BCB.

MHRAM
March 28, 2014, 03:51 AM
We have so many quality spinners in our pipeline but no one to groove them. Looking at the progress made by Gazi under Mushtaq, BCB should have made him long term spin consultant for Bangladesh.

jeesh
March 28, 2014, 03:53 AM
BCB has his services for 100 days. All they need to do is give him a call. But i think WI have been smart enough to keep him occupied.

jeesh
March 28, 2014, 03:58 AM
We have so many quality spinners in our pipeline but no one to groove them. Looking at the progress made by Gazi under Mushtaq, BCB should have made him long term spin consultant for Bangladesh.
Gazi and co need constant ongoing support. I dont think the approach of someone coming and training for 10 days and then going will work. The coach will need to be there on day to day basis and even guide the bowler tactically during the match.

Now obviously Saqlain is not willing to work full time. I dont see whats holding us back from hiring either Mohammad Salahuddin or Mohammad Rafique on a full time basis. Salahuddin in particular played a huge role in the development of Shakib and many of our best players, and also helped Razzak out when he was reported. One of these guys can work with our players all the time, while Saqlain can be utilized for those 100 days to train a wider group of sprinners including youngsters like Taijul, Naeem Islam Jnr

MHRAM
March 28, 2014, 04:17 AM
^
There is also a shortage of proper coaching staff during domestic matches. The reason why our domestic structure is unsatisfactory.

jeesh
April 1, 2014, 06:40 AM
Safe to say atm Sohag Gazi is no better than Mahmudullah or Nasir Hossain or Naeem Islam. Skill set, intelligence of a part time spinner.

Pakistan has the luxury of a player like Hafeez whose bowling is far superior to those of our specialized bowlers.

MHRAM
April 1, 2014, 07:17 AM
I wouldn't say Hafeez is better than our specialist spinners. To his credit, Hafeez is a limited bowler and always will be but what he does best is bowl within his limits. He has no doosra, no arm ball, barely spins the ball much but still is a useful bowler. Razzak has all the elements to become a quality bowler- the ball that turns away from the right hander, the ball that straightens, arm ball.

Now the problem is our bowlers bowl 3 good deliveries and 3 bad balls. So as a result a batsman plays out those 3 good balls quietly and pummels the other 3 ones hence our bowlers end up with poor figures. Its not rocket science. Our bowlers need to cut down on poor deliveries. In life, a perfect human being is not someone who necessarily has some exceptional qualities, but he has fewer shorcomings.

Gazi on the other hand is done and dusted. I can't remember the last time he bowled well.

rinathq
April 1, 2014, 07:52 AM
we have quality spinners.... but the problem is, for the last 6-7 years, how many new spinners have we gone through despite the inconsistent performance? We still have the same Raj who only bowls well against minnows.... we gave Enamul Huq Jnr 1-2 chances and than dropped him. We gave Elias some chances and dropped him even though he didnt perform that bad. We gave Arafat some chances but dropped him even though he performed well. There are wicket takers like Taijul, Saqlain, Nur waiting to get some chances but how on earth can they expect to be selected with this mentality.

shuziburo
April 1, 2014, 07:54 AM
Razzak and Gazi are done. We need to look at other options, including other off-spinners and leg-spinners. They have to put in the time to bowl consistently. Plus, all spinners should be made to watch Herath frequently. This man is amazingly accurate and varies his bowling continuously. It is essential in all forms of the game.

BD_TigerZ
April 1, 2014, 08:13 AM
Razzak and Gazi are done.

Groom Noor, Sajib, Taijul for the windies series.

Gowza
April 1, 2014, 08:20 AM
arafat should get a few more chances, elias sunny shouldn't be completely dumped either.

jeesh
April 1, 2014, 09:15 AM
I thought we would give some trouble to the Aussies. But what trouble. It was friendly, timid, harmless spin bowling. No bite, no character nothing. Not even from Shakib.

Funny how our so called strength is slowly becoming our major weakness. All 3 wickets today were by pacers.

mufi_02
April 1, 2014, 09:16 AM
Gazi is done. He is even worse than Razzak now.

WarWolf
April 1, 2014, 03:16 PM
Gazi is done. He is even worse than Razzak now.
He will again be good if he is handled by someone like Saqi.

BengaliPagol
April 1, 2014, 05:17 PM
Sohag is terrible. Bowling loopy short deliveries to Warner/Finch and you will pay. Doesn't seem to have any variety at all.

Rana Melb
April 1, 2014, 09:03 PM
I thought we would give some trouble to the Aussies. But what trouble. It was friendly, timid, harmless spin bowling. No bite, no character nothing. Not even from Shakib.

Funny how our so called strength is slowly becoming our major weakness. All 3 wickets today were by pacers.


As Mushi stated- The ball was not turning during that part of time..so it was a pitch for pacers. Were we missing ZIA??:-/

Gowza
April 1, 2014, 09:58 PM
Big spin and big drift are the best assets for a spinner, I'm amazed how well ajmal has done and how well kumble did without the spin so it can be done but it's tough.

Rana Melb
April 1, 2014, 10:10 PM
Under the current brand of cricket we need a mystery spinner. Traditional spinners are not always fruitful. Do we know anyone in the pipeline….. who can be our mystery spinner ??:-/<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

jeesh
April 1, 2014, 10:58 PM
As Mushi stated- The ball was not turning during that part of time..so it was a pitch for pacers. Were we missing ZIA??:-/
Excuse! Day match-blame it on the pitch. Night match-blame it on the dew.

Its all about lack of skill and intelligence.

Mohammad Nabi is a better spinner than our lot. And even part timers like Raina, Hodge are bowling better.

MHRAM
April 1, 2014, 11:34 PM
Mystery spinner my foot.

We need a Herath. A bowler who bowls consistant line and length and gets a wicket. I have been following him for almost a couple of years and noticed that he hardly bowls a poor delivery which is why he is so successful, not to mention that unlike our bowlers, he gives the ball a bit of air.

Gowza
April 2, 2014, 02:03 AM
exactly, and it's the same with pace bowler, the more consistently you bowl good lines the better off you will be. herath does get a decent bit of turn which helps, and he gives it air as already stated and the accuracy and consistency is what makes him great.

as for mystery spinners, there aren't many and they aren't really that successful are they, mendis is found out, narine i wouldn't consider to be a mystery spinner it's just that he has a lot of variations but nothing really mysterious about what he bowls besides he's hasn't been so good in tests and his ODI stats have really suffered over the last couple of years.

how much turn does nur hossain get?

jeesh
April 2, 2014, 02:53 AM
Mystery spinner my foot.

We need a Herath. A bowler who bowls consistant line and length and gets a wicket. I have been following him for almost a couple of years and noticed that he hardly bowls a poor delivery which is why he is so successful, not to mention that unlike our bowlers, he gives the ball a bit of air.
Absolutely correct. In many ways Rafique used to do this.

Herath does have a couple of variations though. A carrom ball, and one that goes the other way. But MHRAM is correct. 80-90% of the damage is done with his orthodox bowling.

jeesh
April 2, 2014, 02:55 AM
Here is a nice write up on Herath's skills and recent match winning performance

http://www.espncricinfo.com/world-t20/content/story/733207.html

BengaliPagol
April 2, 2014, 03:35 AM
Arafat Sunny should be our 2nd choice specialist spinner now.

Gowza
April 2, 2014, 03:52 AM
Arafat Sunny should be our 2nd choice specialist spinner now.

certainly for ODIs and should be around there for t20s as well, taijul should be looked at for t20s and tests. sajib the forever back-up, he's been playing domestics for 7 years, over 200 FC wickets, average less than 22, strike rate 45 and he's never got a sniff, instead we've given more chances to the likes of razzak and enamul jr.

WarWolf
April 2, 2014, 06:45 AM
The pipeline is there, but it's already leaked. Need to have some urgent repair works by Saqi.

Rana Melb
April 2, 2014, 08:46 AM
certainly for ODIs and should be around there for t20s as well, taijul should be looked at for t20s and tests. sajib the forever back-up, he's been playing domestics for 7 years, over 200 FC wickets, average less than 22, strike rate 45 and he's never got a sniff, instead we've given more chances to the likes of razzak and enamul jr.

Spot on. We should try these players too.

mafizraju
April 2, 2014, 08:57 AM
What pipeline ? how many spinners we have used in the last couple of years. all of them were one series wonder. Then kapoot, and nowhere to be found. you can't keep finding 20 years olds, and chuck them out when they are 21.

Gowza
April 2, 2014, 04:07 PM
What pipeline ? how many spinners we have used in the last couple of years. all of them were one series wonder. Then kapoot, and nowhere to be found. you can't keep finding 20 years olds, and chuck them out when they are 21.

who are you talking about? elias who averages 16 in his t20Is and 32 in ODIs. arafat who averages 8 from his 2 t20IS and 34 from his 4 ODIs? or sohag gazi who averages 29 from his 16 ODIs and despite his 42 average in tests already has 2 5fers and a 4fer? we gave enamul jr and razzak a few more chances in tests where both failed otherwise we were using the same general spinners we have for years (razzak and shakib mainly).

we don't even know if they are one series wonders because we haven't given them enough chances to find out but they've done well in various formats so we should look at them in their strong formats, the other thing is they haven't really had much coaching bar sohag in his first series.

they're all still around the national team except for enamul who has been given a few chances and not shone and elias who lost form and then was left behind despite showing promise.